Looks like 4K gaming will start to happen sooner than I thought (on PC ofcourse)

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="lhughey"] Not exactly the most eloquent response but I agree with you 100% Jankarcop

Agreed. Consoles won't touch PC in gfx this gen.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

if you use your system resources for resolution over draw distance, particle effects, water effects, lighting, ground clutter or any one of a half dozen other things you are a derpwad.

nothing could demonstrate to me more your poor decision making skills and general dumbassery  than prioritizing resolution over just about any other aspect of game graphics.

lhughey

but seriously.

how stupid is it to be "into" resolution as a thing people are into.

it eats up tons of system resources and does nothing to make the game better.

now compare that to draw distance or frames per second that may actually make your gaming experience better.

i would take 720 or 1080 with maxxed special effects and framerate anyday over stripped down effects and 4k resolution.

even now if i run into a game i am having trouble with running resolution is the first thing i cut back (within certain limits i'm not running them at 600x800 or anything like that)

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Yah, I completely agree as well. Good post m3Boarder32

Agreed. Consoles won't touch PC in gfx this gen.

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

Agreed. Consoles won't touch PC in gfx this gen.

MonsieurX

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Yah, I completely agree as well. Good post m3Boarder32

Agreed. Consoles won't touch PC in gfx this gen.

But does it have TEH PLASMA?

His Plasma has special space alien technology

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

Agreed. Consoles won't touch PC in gfx this gen.

the_bi99man

But does it have TEH PLASMA?

m3Boarder32's favourite...

weapon in dead space = plasma cutter

weapon in doom = plasma rifle

granade in halo = plasma grenade

weapon in system wars = plasma

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

Agreed. Consoles won't touch PC in gfx this gen.

the_bi99man

But does it have TEH PLASMA?

Man,I wonder how does Crysis look on his TV running on the 360 :(MonsieurX

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]Man,I wonder how does Crysis look on his TV running on the 360 :(m3Boarder32

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Not mine anyway, they'll destroy yours :lol:CrownKingArthur

But does it have TEH PLASMA?

m3Boarder32's favourite...

weapon in dead space = plasma cutter

weapon in doom = plasma rifle

granade in halo = plasma grenade

weapon in system wars = plasma

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="MonsieurX"]Man,I wonder how does Crysis look on his TV running on the 360 :(MonsieurX

Lol, you're all left in the dust by me. I'm already watching 4k movies on my 1080p HD TV :cool:.

Lol, you're all left in the dust by me. I'm already watching 4k movies on my 1080p HD TV :cool:.

XVision84

haha. i like this guy. 

lol, cuz resolution makes games bettah!!!

:lol:

even if i had a pc that would run 4k i would still put the power allocation into things i think are more important like draw distance, particle effects, ground clutter, lighting, water effects and so on.

resolution is always the last thing i bump up after everything else has been maxed.

Riverwolf007

You might want to prioritize resolution more. If you don't run at the native resolution of your monitor, everything will look a lot blurrier.

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]...all with a 27" 4K moniter for less than the price of a PS4 right?Kinthalis

Probably 30+ inches 4K panel I would imagine. 27" would be too small even for 2-4 feet away.

Who said anything about a PS4? Can a PS4 game at 4K? Can it run photoshop, premier and Visual Studio?  Jeebus.

It can run movies in 4k and it will look amazing on my 4k TV.  I will be getting it in 2 weeks:)

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]...all with a 27" 4K moniter for less than the price of a PS4 right?AM-Gamer

Probably 30+ inches 4K panel I would imagine. 27" would be too small even for 2-4 feet away.

Who said anything about a PS4? Can a PS4 game at 4K? Can it run photoshop, premier and Visual Studio?  Jeebus.

It can run movies in 4k and it will look amazing on my 4k TV.  I will be getting it in 2 weeks:)

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

 

Probably 30+ inches 4K panel I would imagine. 27" would be too small even for 2-4 feet away.

 

Who said anything about a PS4? Can a PS4 game at 4K? Can it run photoshop, premier and Visual Studio?  Jeebus.

m3Boarder32

It can run movies in 4k and it will look amazing on my 4k TV.  I will be getting it in 2 weeks:)

Sony xbr850.

I didnt want to get one but after I saw them in the magnolia section i couldnt resist.  They blow the 1080p tvs outof the water .  Even the high end Panasonic VT series.  I got the 65 inch.  Orginally i ordered the 900 but then they annouced a 850 that was 500 dollars cheaper with a thinner frame so I bought it instead.  It wont be here till October 9th.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/tv-reviews/sony-xbr-65x850a-review/

Only 4 gigs of GDDR5? PS4 has twice that much lol.

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

It can run movies in 4k and it will look amazing on my 4k TV.  I will be getting it in 2 weeks:)

AM-Gamer

Sony xbr850.

I didnt want to get one but after I saw them in the magnolia section i couldnt resist.  They blow the 1080p tvs outof the water .  Even the high end Panasonic VT series.  I got the 65 inch.  Orginally i ordered the 900 but then they annouced a 850 that was 500 dollars cheaper with a thinner frame so I bought it instead.  It wont be here till October 9th.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/tv-reviews/sony-xbr-65x850a-review/

[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

No thanks; I don't like RTS and I don't play WoW

Masenkoe

Proof that the trolls don't even try anymore.

Proof? How about fact. PC gamers can only brag about RTS games and MMO's. Everything else, they suck horribly at. Who the hell plays fighting games with keyboard/mouse? LMAO. Who plays platformers with keyboard/mouse? Who plays survival horror with PC? LMAO

The only genre PC is good at is RTS and point/click MMO's adventures. It sucks st FPS. How does anyone even have fun with a PC FPS? You use horrid walking wasd controls which are 100% unrealistic then you button mash the left clicker on the mouse to kill people. Such a terrible way to game. But hey, They have teh graphics so gameplay doesnt matter LOL.

I'm happy with my current setup for now.

[QUOTE="EducatingU_PCMR"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Yet the average steam gamer games at less than 1080pGioVela2010

Nope

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey?l=english

1080p is the most common resolution.

Lol you're a joke. Yet you won't admit that just because "inferior hardware" is the most popular in the Steam survey, that that doesn't mean most PC gamers have low spec machines.

[QUOTE="Masenkoe"]

[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

No thanks; I don't like RTS and I don't play WoW

stuff238

Proof that the trolls don't even try anymore.

Proof? How about fact. PC gamers can only brag about RTS games and MMO's. Everything else, they suck horribly at. Who the hell plays fighting games with keyboard/mouse? LMAO. Who plays platformers with keyboard/mouse? Who plays survival horror with PC? LMAO

The only genre PC is good at is RTS and point/click MMO's adventures. It sucks st FPS. How does anyone even have fun with a PC FPS? You use horrid walking wasd controls which are 100% unrealistic then you button mash the left clicker on the mouse to kill people. Such a terrible way to game. But hey, They have teh graphics so gameplay doesnt matter LOL.

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"][QUOTE="EducatingU_PCMR"]

 

Nope

 

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey?l=english

 

1080p is the most common resolution.

EducatingU_PCMR

Lol you're a joke. Yet you won't admit that just because "inferior hardware" is the most popular in the Steam survey, that that doesn't mean most PC gamers have low spec machines.

Only 4 gigs of GDDR5? PS4 has twice that much lol.

BlbecekBobecek

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Lol why'd u get a 4k TV. Which one did u getm3Boarder32

Sony xbr850.

I didnt want to get one but after I saw them in the magnolia section i couldnt resist.  They blow the 1080p tvs outof the water .  Even the high end Panasonic VT series.  I got the 65 inch.  Orginally i ordered the 900 but then they annouced a 850 that was 500 dollars cheaper with a thinner frame so I bought it instead.  It wont be here till October 9th.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/tv-reviews/sony-xbr-65x850a-review/

If you put a 4k source to it , it obliterates any plasma.  You also need a media player capable of upscaling 1080p and they didn't do that.  On a native 1080p source the plasma will have the advantage but upscaled or native 4k the best plasmas even Panasonic s look horribly outdated.

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

It can run movies in 4k and it will look amazing on my 4k TV.  I will be getting it in 2 weeks:)

AM-Gamer

Sony xbr850.

I didnt want to get one but after I saw them in the magnolia section i couldnt resist.  They blow the 1080p tvs outof the water .  Even the high end Panasonic VT series.  I got the 65 inch.  Orginally i ordered the 900 but then they annouced a 850 that was 500 dollars cheaper with a thinner frame so I bought it instead.  It wont be here till October 9th.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/tv-reviews/sony-xbr-65x850a-review/

Sorry but the Sony XBR-850A doesn't even come close to Panasonic's VT60/ZT60, or even Samsungs PNF8500 plasma.

The Panasonic ZT60, Panasonic VT60 & Samsung PNF8500 blow the Sony X900A out of the water in literally every single category relevant to optimal viewing conditions (aka a dark room).

The Sony isn't even the best LED in the test, as the Samsung UNF8500 equalled it according to experts and surpassed it according to the audience of the shootout. 

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

Sony xbr850.

I didnt want to get one but after I saw them in the magnolia section i couldnt resist.  They blow the 1080p tvs outof the water .  Even the high end Panasonic VT series.  I got the 65 inch.  Orginally i ordered the 900 but then they annouced a 850 that was 500 dollars cheaper with a thinner frame so I bought it instead.  It wont be here till October 9th.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/tv-reviews/sony-xbr-65x850a-review/

AM-Gamer

If you put a 4k source to it , it obliterates any plasma.  You also need a media player capable of upscaling 1080p and they didn't do that.  On a native 1080p source the plasma will have the advantage but upscaled or native 4k the best plasmas even Panasonic s look horribly outdated.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Lol why'd u get a 4k TV. Which one did u getMozelleple112

Sony xbr850.

I didnt want to get one but after I saw them in the magnolia section i couldnt resist.  They blow the 1080p tvs outof the water .  Even the high end Panasonic VT series.  I got the 65 inch.  Orginally i ordered the 900 but then they annouced a 850 that was 500 dollars cheaper with a thinner frame so I bought it instead.  It wont be here till October 9th.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/tv-reviews/sony-xbr-65x850a-review/

Lol you are stupid the Sony XBR-850A doesn't even come close to Panasonic's VT60/ZT60, or even Samsungs PNF8500 plasma.

The Panasonic ZT60, Panasonic VT60 & Samsung PNF8500 blow the Sony X900A out of the water in literally every single category relevant to optimal viewing conditions (aka a dark room).

The Sony isn't even the best LED in the test, as the Samsung UNF8500 equalled it according to experts and surpassed it according to the audience of the shootout. 

Yet you completely ignore everything I said.  The xbr900a ranks ahead of any led on CNET and trusted reviews.  If you judge 4k TV based off a broadcasted source its just going to be a 1080p led TV.  Put a 4k source on it and the detail obliterates any 1080p TV.  I wanted to buy a vt 60 because off all the reviews.. After seeing the calibrated running side by side with a 1080p upscaled source and a 4k source the plasmas looked horrible.

If you are judging it off a 1080p broadcasted signal the 4k TV is just going to be a good led tv

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Oh wow that Sony 4k HDTV can't hang with the latest High end Plasmas available.. http://www.soundandvision.com/content/value-electronics-hdtv-shootout-and-then-there-were-three Mozelleple112

If you put a 4k source to it , it obliterates any plasma.  You also need a media player capable of upscaling 1080p and they didn't do that.  On a native 1080p source the plasma will have the advantage but upscaled or native 4k the best plasmas even Panasonic s look horribly outdated.

The Seki doesnt even have local dimming, and the Trilmunious display on the 900a exceeds color reproduction in even the best plasmas.  Its black level perofrmance advantage can barely be seen side by side.  The contrast and colors on a 4k source is painfully obvious.

Doesnt look like they did a good job calibrating it either but considering only Panasonic and samsung showed up that doesnt suprise me.  Here is some more facts

"The screen turns itself off during all-black scene transitions. I went with the most aggressive local-dimming option to get the best blacks; while a little bit of glow was evident around bright objects (specifically, white text on black backgrounds), it wasn't excessive. The Sony was able to produce an even deeper black level than the VT60

http://hometheaterreview.com/sony-xbr-55x900a-ultra-hd-lcd-tv-reviewed/?page=2

"I cued up the same scene on Blu-ray (Chapter 12, about the 1:26:25 mark) on two 1080p TVs (the Panasonic VT60 and the Samsung UN55F8000), and I viewed the TVs side by side to observe the difference. I sat about six feet from the TVs, which is a good four feet closer than I normally sit. I was feeling generous. Could I see an improvement in detail on the 55-inch UHD TV at this distance? Yes, the UHD image looked crisper and more defined, especially compared with the 60-inch plasma. I could more clearly see the individual blades of grass in the dirt clumps around the sewer, the background wall texture was more defined, and the strings of Spider-Man's web and the stitching of his outfit looked sharp and precise"

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

Sony xbr850.

I didnt want to get one but after I saw them in the magnolia section i couldnt resist.  They blow the 1080p tvs outof the water .  Even the high end Panasonic VT series.  I got the 65 inch.  Orginally i ordered the 900 but then they annouced a 850 that was 500 dollars cheaper with a thinner frame so I bought it instead.  It wont be here till October 9th.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/tv-reviews/sony-xbr-65x850a-review/

AM-Gamer

Lol you are stupid the Sony XBR-850A doesn't even come close to Panasonic's VT60/ZT60, or even Samsungs PNF8500 plasma.

The Panasonic ZT60, Panasonic VT60 & Samsung PNF8500 blow the Sony X900A out of the water in literally every single category relevant to optimal viewing conditions (aka a dark room).

The Sony isn't even the best LED in the test, as the Samsung UNF8500 equalled it according to experts and surpassed it according to the audience of the shootout. 

Yet you completely ignore everything I said.  The xbr900a ranks ahead of any led on CNET and trusted reviews.  If you judge 4k TV based off a broadcasted source its just going to be a 1080p led TV.  Put a 4k source on it and the detail obliterates any 1080p TV.  I wanted to buy a vt 60 because off all the reviews.. After seeing the calibrated running side by side with a 1080p upscaled source and a 4k source the plasmas looked horrible.

If you are judging it off a 1080p broadcasted signal the 4k TV is just going to be a good led tv

Trusted reviews is not a credible source by any means. CNET is though.

But neither CNET nor HDTVTests, HomeTheater, AVForums, FlatPanelsHD would take a Sony X900A over a top of the line plasma like the ZT60, Kuro, VT60 or PNF8500. You completely ignored what I said about resolution not being as important as _EITHER_ contrast performance or colour performance. All four of the aforementioned plasmas are VASTLY superior to the Sony X900A in BOTH regards.

Even if we forget the fact that the Plasmas have 5 times deeper black levels, lets just rethink about the resolution thing here.

Most TV channels are either broadcasted in SD (576i/p) or "regular" HD (720p/1080i). Netflix, HBO, Hulu, Viaplay, etc only steam up to 1080p. Console games are 720p, next gen console games will be anywhere from 720p, 900p to 1080p. DVDs are still an abysmal 720x480p. The WiiU runs most games in 720p. And the current highest quality media format we have is Blu-ray which is 1920x1080p.

That leaves for very little 4K content. Even with 4K content, the inferior black levels that lead to a weak contrast as well subpar colour performance (compared to flagship plasmas, that is) make the Sony X900A worse than them. BUt 99.99% of today's content is 1080p or less, which means the plasmas will make your LED TV look outdated piece of crap 99.99% of the time. The other 00.01% it'll perform nearly as well, but not quite on their level. 

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]

 

Lol you are stupid the Sony XBR-850A doesn't even come close to Panasonic's VT60/ZT60, or even Samsungs PNF8500 plasma.

 

 

 

The Panasonic ZT60, Panasonic VT60 & Samsung PNF8500 blow the Sony X900A out of the water in literally every single category relevant to optimal viewing conditions (aka a dark room).

 

The Sony isn't even the best LED in the test, as the Samsung UNF8500 equalled it according to experts and surpassed it according to the audience of the shootout. 

Mozelleple112

Yet you completely ignore everything I said.  The xbr900a ranks ahead of any led on CNET and trusted reviews.  If you judge 4k TV based off a broadcasted source its just going to be a 1080p led TV.  Put a 4k source on it and the detail obliterates any 1080p TV.  I wanted to buy a vt 60 because off all the reviews.. After seeing the calibrated running side by side with a 1080p upscaled source and a 4k source the plasmas looked horrible.

If you are judging it off a 1080p broadcasted signal the 4k TV is just going to be a good led tv

Trusted reviews is not a credible source by any means. CNET is though.

But neither CNET nor HDTVTests, HomeTheater, AVForums, FlatPanelsHD would take a Sony X900A over a top of the line plasma like the ZT60, Kuro, VT60 or PNF8500. You completely ignored what I said about resolution not being as important as _EITHER_ contrast performance or colour performance. All four of the aforementioned plasmas are VASTLY superior to the Sony X900A in BOTH regards.

Even if we forget the fact that the Plasmas have 5 times deeper black levels, lets just rethink about the resolution thing here.

Most TV channels are either broadcasted in SD (576i/p) or "regular" HD (720p/1080i). Netflix, HBO, Hulu, Viaplay, etc only steam up to 1080p. Console games are 720p, next gen console games will be anywhere from 720p, 900p to 1080p. DVDs are still an abysmal 720x480p. The WiiU runs most games in 720p. And the current highest quality media format we have is Blu-ray which is 1920x1080p.

That leaves for very little 4K content. Even with 4K content, the inferior black levels that lead to a weak contrast as well subpar colour performance (compared to flagship plasmas, that is) make the Sony X900A worse than them. BUt 99.99% of today's content is 1080p or less, which means the plasmas will make your LED TV look outdated piece of crap 99.99% of the time. The other 00.01% it'll perform nearly as well, but not quite on their level. 

You just ignored the post above, the xbor900a defeated can beat the best plasmas in dark levels an olbitearte it in any room that has any light.  Even Cnet said the 900a and W900 matched plasmas with color accuracy becaue of the trlimunous display.  So these huge advantages you are saying are there simply do not exist.  As the Sony can beat the best plasmas in colour reproduction as current plasmas are not evne capble of exceding the rec color gamut. The problem is if you hook it up to a trash source( which was being done in this review ) it will have no advantages .

Also you dont need a 4k source to show its obvious advantage.  Just a quality 1080p source with the ablity to upscale.  The problem is only one blu ray player exist that does this.  But soon the PS4 and X1 will do the same. 

Im sorry but I wanted the plasma , why wouldnt I?  It was 2x chepaer but it looked like complete trash in comparison.

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

If you put a 4k source to it , it obliterates any plasma.  You also need a media player capable of upscaling 1080p and they didn't do that.  On a native 1080p source the plasma will have the advantage but upscaled or native 4k the best plasmas even Panasonic s look horribly outdated.

AM-Gamer

The Seki doesnt even have local dimming, and the Trilmunious display on the 900a exceeds color reproduction in even the best plasmas.  Its black level perofrmance advantage can barely be seen side by side.  The contrast and colors on a 4k source is painfully obvious.

Reviews that don't show calibrated test results aren't worth my time. I want to see measured black levels, measured colour temperature, measured gamma tracking etc.

Its funny how they say stuff like that, then give the Sony X900A a 3.5/5 rating. The Panasonic VT60 got a 4.5/5 rating!

http://hometheaterreview.com/panasonic-tc-p60vt60-plasma-hdtv-reviewed/

You say they calibrated the Sony poorly... Some of the finest calibrators in the world (Kevin Miller amongst others) calibrated the screens and gave the ZT60/VT60 a 9.2/10 on black levels, and the Sony X900A a 6.7/10 on black levels. 

Do you trust expert calibrators that are notorious for their work, or the opinion of a reviewer that doesn't post any factual evidence to back up his claims?

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"] No it doesn't. The ONLY advantage the X900A has over Panasonic's plasmas is resolution, which is only one of several factors of picture quality. Guess what? Resolution isn't even the most important factor. ANSI contrast (difference between white and blacks in real world content) and colour reproduction (temperature adjusted to D65, depth, saturation, DeltaE errors, saturation, etc) are both individually more important than the resolution. This is why for example a budget $500 Samsung 720p plasma beats the crap out of a 4K Seiki LCD for $1100+. Deeper black levels, superior contrast ratio and greater colour performance.Mozelleple112

The Seki doesnt even have local dimming, and the Trilmunious display on the 900a exceeds color reproduction in even the best plasmas.  Its black level perofrmance advantage can barely be seen side by side.  The contrast and colors on a 4k source is painfully obvious.

Reviews that don't show calibrated test results aren't worth my time. I want to see measured black levels, measured colour temperature, measured gamma tracking etc.

Its funny how they say stuff like that, then give the Sony X900A a 3.5/5 rating. The Panasonic VT60 got a 4.5/5 rating!

http://hometheaterreview.com/panasonic-tc-p60vt60-plasma-hdtv-reviewed/

You say they calibrated the Sony poorly... Some of the finest calibrators in the world (Kevin Miller amongst others) calibrated the screens and gave the ZT60/VT60 a 9.2/10 on black levels, and the Sony X900A a 6.7/10 on black levels. 

Do you trust expert calibrators that are notorious for their work, or the opinion of a reviewer that doesn't post any factual evidence to back up his claims?

The review shows calibrated results and then even goes into detail about the diffrence between what a calibration machine reads and what the human eye can recieive.  Anything below 5.0 is hard for a human to tell a diffrence.  The xbr got like a 2.0 while the panasonic got a 0.2

Also its hard for me to trust someoen when hes not even using a br player that can upscale the source.  A plasma will look better with a standard 1080p blu ray player.  But side by side theres no comparison.  The criticisim of the 4k tvs is theres not enough content or products that upscale that content but thats going to change in a couple months. 

Why do you turst expert calibraters when the only thing that makes them a expert is there ablity to talk gather information from reps and calibrate a tv based off those settings. A bran new tv with no quality source and no rep to show you how to calibrate it? 

I cant blame you though, if im just reading stuff on the internet thats one thing. I had to see it for myself and after seeing it myself the advantages of 4k froma quality source are painfully obvious.

The panasonic was rated higher becaus of value but since that review the XBR droped 2 grand.

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

Yet you completely ignore everything I said.  The xbr900a ranks ahead of any led on CNET and trusted reviews.  If you judge 4k TV based off a broadcasted source its just going to be a 1080p led TV.  Put a 4k source on it and the detail obliterates any 1080p TV.  I wanted to buy a vt 60 because off all the reviews.. After seeing the calibrated running side by side with a 1080p upscaled source and a 4k source the plasmas looked horrible.

If you are judging it off a 1080p broadcasted signal the 4k TV is just going to be a good led tv

AM-Gamer

Trusted reviews is not a credible source by any means. CNET is though.

But neither CNET nor HDTVTests, HomeTheater, AVForums, FlatPanelsHD would take a Sony X900A over a top of the line plasma like the ZT60, Kuro, VT60 or PNF8500. You completely ignored what I said about resolution not being as important as _EITHER_ contrast performance or colour performance. All four of the aforementioned plasmas are VASTLY superior to the Sony X900A in BOTH regards.

Even if we forget the fact that the Plasmas have 5 times deeper black levels, lets just rethink about the resolution thing here.

Most TV channels are either broadcasted in SD (576i/p) or "regular" HD (720p/1080i). Netflix, HBO, Hulu, Viaplay, etc only steam up to 1080p. Console games are 720p, next gen console games will be anywhere from 720p, 900p to 1080p. DVDs are still an abysmal 720x480p. The WiiU runs most games in 720p. And the current highest quality media format we have is Blu-ray which is 1920x1080p.

That leaves for very little 4K content. Even with 4K content, the inferior black levels that lead to a weak contrast as well subpar colour performance (compared to flagship plasmas, that is) make the Sony X900A worse than them. BUt 99.99% of today's content is 1080p or less, which means the plasmas will make your LED TV look outdated piece of crap 99.99% of the time. The other 00.01% it'll perform nearly as well, but not quite on their level. 

You just ignored the post above, the xbor900a defeated can beat the best plasmas in dark levels an olbitearte it in any room that has any light.  Even Cnet said the 900a and W900 matched plasmas with color accuracy becaue of the trlimunous display.  So these huge advantages you are saying are there simply do not exist.  As the Sony can beat the best plasmas in colour reproduction as current plasmas are not evne capble of exceding the rec color gamut. The problem is if you hook it up to a trash source( which was being done in this review ) it will have no advantages .

Also you dont need a 4k source to show its obvious advantage.  Just a quality 1080p source with the ablity to upscale.  The problem is only one blu ray player exist that does this.  But soon the PS4 and X1 will do the same. 

Im sorry but I wanted the plasma , why wouldnt I?  It was 2x chepaer but it looked like complete trash in comparison.

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

The Seki doesnt even have local dimming, and the Trilmunious display on the 900a exceeds color reproduction in even the best plasmas.  Its black level perofrmance advantage can barely be seen side by side.  The contrast and colors on a 4k source is painfully obvious.

 

 

AM-Gamer

Reviews that don't show calibrated test results aren't worth my time. I want to see measured black levels, measured colour temperature, measured gamma tracking etc.

Its funny how they say stuff like that, then give the Sony X900A a 3.5/5 rating. The Panasonic VT60 got a 4.5/5 rating!

http://hometheaterreview.com/panasonic-tc-p60vt60-plasma-hdtv-reviewed/

You say they calibrated the Sony poorly... Some of the finest calibrators in the world (Kevin Miller amongst others) calibrated the screens and gave the ZT60/VT60 a 9.2/10 on black levels, and the Sony X900A a 6.7/10 on black levels. 

Do you trust expert calibrators that are notorious for their work, or the opinion of a reviewer that doesn't post any factual evidence to back up his claims?

The review shows calibrated results and then even goes into detail about the diffrence between what a calibration machine reads and what the human eye can recieive.  Anything below 5.0 is hard for a human to tell a diffrence.  The xbr got like a 2.0 while the panasonic got a 0.2

Also its hard for me to trust someoen when hes not even using a br player that can upscale the source.  A plasma will look better with a standard 1080p blu ray player.  But side by side theres no comparison.  The criticisim of the 4k tvs is theres not enough content or products that upscale that content but thats going to change in a couple months. 

Why do you turst expert calibraters when the only thing that makes them a expert is there ablity to talk gather information from reps and calibrate a tv based off those settings. A bran new tv with no quality source and no rep to show you how to calibrate it? 

I cant blame you though, if im just reading stuff on the internet thats one thing. I had to see it for myself and after seeing it myself the advantages of 4k froma quality source are painfully obvious.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]

 

Trusted reviews is not a credible source by any means. CNET is though.

But neither CNET nor HDTVTests, HomeTheater, AVForums, FlatPanelsHD would take a Sony X900A over a top of the line plasma like the ZT60, Kuro, VT60 or PNF8500. You completely ignored what I said about resolution not being as important as _EITHER_ contrast performance or colour performance. All four of the aforementioned plasmas are VASTLY superior to the Sony X900A in BOTH regards.

 

Even if we forget the fact that the Plasmas have 5 times deeper black levels, lets just rethink about the resolution thing here.

Most TV channels are either broadcasted in SD (576i/p) or "regular" HD (720p/1080i). Netflix, HBO, Hulu, Viaplay, etc only steam up to 1080p. Console games are 720p, next gen console games will be anywhere from 720p, 900p to 1080p. DVDs are still an abysmal 720x480p. The WiiU runs most games in 720p. And the current highest quality media format we have is Blu-ray which is 1920x1080p.

 

That leaves for very little 4K content. Even with 4K content, the inferior black levels that lead to a weak contrast as well subpar colour performance (compared to flagship plasmas, that is) make the Sony X900A worse than them. BUt 99.99% of today's content is 1080p or less, which means the plasmas will make your LED TV look outdated piece of crap 99.99% of the time. The other 00.01% it'll perform nearly as well, but not quite on their level. 

Mozelleple112

You just ignored the post above, the xbor900a defeated can beat the best plasmas in dark levels an olbitearte it in any room that has any light.  Even Cnet said the 900a and W900 matched plasmas with color accuracy becaue of the trlimunous display.  So these huge advantages you are saying are there simply do not exist.  As the Sony can beat the best plasmas in colour reproduction as current plasmas are not evne capble of exceding the rec color gamut. The problem is if you hook it up to a trash source( which was being done in this review ) it will have no advantages .

Also you dont need a 4k source to show its obvious advantage.  Just a quality 1080p source with the ablity to upscale.  The problem is only one blu ray player exist that does this.  But soon the PS4 and X1 will do the same. 

Im sorry but I wanted the plasma , why wouldnt I?  It was 2x chepaer but it looked like complete trash in comparison.

How stupid are you?  David Katzmaier never reviewed the xbr.  He also said he could barely see a diffrence between 4k and 1080 sitting 6 feet froma 85 inch screen.  But if you trust dudes with coke bottle glasses to review image quality be my guest.

Reardless Cnet was the one that did the test on the trilmunous display so no itsnot magic its fact. 

"The Sony's Triluminos system helps boost color performance, with hues that were the equal of the ST60 plasma. Of the LCDs we compared the W900A had the best colors, and the most saturated blues and skin tones in particular."

Right from david kat himself on the lower end W900a which is there 1080p tv. 

*sigh* just spent $1,000 on SuperClocked nVidia Titan this year.

Do you guys think the performance / features is worth the upgrade from Titan? I mean, would you guys upgrade if you already had nVidia Titan?

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]

 

Reviews that don't show calibrated test results aren't worth my time. I want to see measured black levels, measured colour temperature, measured gamma tracking etc.

Its funny how they say stuff like that, then give the Sony X900A a 3.5/5 rating. The Panasonic VT60 got a 4.5/5 rating!

 

http://hometheaterreview.com/panasonic-tc-p60vt60-plasma-hdtv-reviewed/

 

You say they calibrated the Sony poorly... Some of the finest calibrators in the world (Kevin Miller amongst others) calibrated the screens and gave the ZT60/VT60 a 9.2/10 on black levels, and the Sony X900A a 6.7/10 on black levels. 

 

Do you trust expert calibrators that are notorious for their work, or the opinion of a reviewer that doesn't post any factual evidence to back up his claims?

Mozelleple112

The review shows calibrated results and then even goes into detail about the diffrence between what a calibration machine reads and what the human eye can recieive.  Anything below 5.0 is hard for a human to tell a diffrence.  The xbr got like a 2.0 while the panasonic got a 0.2

Also its hard for me to trust someoen when hes not even using a br player that can upscale the source.  A plasma will look better with a standard 1080p blu ray player.  But side by side theres no comparison.  The criticisim of the 4k tvs is theres not enough content or products that upscale that content but thats going to change in a couple months. 

Why do you turst expert calibraters when the only thing that makes them a expert is there ablity to talk gather information from reps and calibrate a tv based off those settings. A bran new tv with no quality source and no rep to show you how to calibrate it? 

I cant blame you though, if im just reading stuff on the internet thats one thing. I had to see it for myself and after seeing it myself the advantages of 4k froma quality source are painfully obvious.

Ive seen it side by side , stop telling me you did the same.  Why would I take sides of a tv  that is more expensive if it didnt look noticebly more impressive?  The 900a had no bleeding the blacks from the sides merged with the frame seemlesly.  I saw Starwars episode 2, total recall, a demo of After Earth.  They made the top of the line plasmas look horrid. Plasmas cant even exceed the rec 709 color gamunt while the XBR can hit the 2020 color gamut it blows it away.  You cant tell the diffrence?  Thats because you need a 4k blu ray to display it.  I also love how plasma fans conviently leave out the horrible dithering on the image of a plasma . It looks blurry in comparison. As I said before on most current technlogy the XBR900a and 850a are just high end LED tv's but with a 4k source or 4k upscaler such as the PS4 it blows any 1080p set out of the water.  Unless you viewed the 4k displays using this http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/846031-REG/Sony_BDPS790_BDP_S790_4K_and_3D.html

dont speak.

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

If you put a 4k source to it , it obliterates any plasma.  You also need a media player capable of upscaling 1080p and they didn't do that.  On a native 1080p source the plasma will have the advantage but upscaled or native 4k the best plasmas even Panasonic s look horribly outdated.

AM-Gamer

The Seki doesnt even have local dimming, and the Trilmunious display on the 900a exceeds color reproduction in even the best plasmas.  Its black level perofrmance advantage can barely be seen side by side.  The contrast and colors on a 4k source is painfully obvious.

Doesnt look like they did a good job calibrating it either but considering only Panasonic and samsung showed up that doesnt suprise me.  Here is some more facts

"The screen turns itself off during all-black scene transitions. I went with the most aggressive local-dimming option to get the best blacks; while a little bit of glow was evident around bright objects (specifically, white text on black backgrounds), it wasn't excessive. The Sony was able to produce an even deeper black level than the VT60

http://hometheaterreview.com/sony-xbr-55x900a-ultra-hd-lcd-tv-reviewed/?page=2

"I cued up the same scene on Blu-ray (Chapter 12, about the 1:26:25 mark) on two 1080p TVs (the Panasonic VT60 and the Samsung UN55F8000), and I viewed the TVs side by side to observe the difference. I sat about six feet from the TVs, which is a good four feet closer than I normally sit. I was feeling generous. Could I see an improvement in detail on the 55-inch UHD TV at this distance? Yes, the UHD image looked crisper and more defined, especially compared with the 60-inch plasma. I could more clearly see the individual blades of grass in the dirt clumps around the sewer, the background wall texture was more defined, and the strings of Spider-Man's web and the stitching of his outfit looked sharp and precise"