Looks like Uncharted 3 is using FXAA(2?) over MLAA. (Screenshots)

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#1 Reiko2K1
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FXAA2 as it looks on Trials Evolution (Although a dev from the game is tinkering around with the sharper FXAA3 that was recently released)

FXAA2

Uncharted 3 MP(FXAA2)

UC3

God of War 3 (MLAA)

God of War 3

So ND ditched MLAA for more SPU time. I figured that would happen since UC3 is a more demanding game physics wise. It also explains the lack of MLAA in Infamous 2. Back to GPU post processing AA it is. (Well FXAA2 costs 0.9ms!)

Note: FXAA3 can be sharpened more to look like this God of War 3 shot, at the expense of more visible sub pixel aliasing.

If I'm guessing right... Naughty Dog might be using FXAA3 in the final build of Uncharted 3.

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Would be nice i may be wrong but doesn't AA need to be implemented at the beginning of development because it completely distorts game processing times? Im no expert but i think they'd have to factor this in first.
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Would be nice i may be wrong but doesn't AA need to be implemented at the beginning of development because it completely distorts game processing times? Im no expert but i think they'd have to factor this in first.JohnF111

Nope. It's a post process filter. It does not affect the memory.

Rendering cost is 0.9ms. That's lighting fast compared to MSAA, QAA, and MLAA currently implemented on the PS3.

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#4 SilverChimera
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I don't see any Uncharted 3 pics in the OP.
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#5 Reiko2K1
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I don't see any Uncharted 3 pics in the OP. SilverChimera

2nd pic is from the Uncharted 3 MP Beta

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#6 SilverChimera
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[QUOTE="SilverChimera"]I don't see any Uncharted 3 pics in the OP. CorbraMax

2nd pic is from the Uncharted 3 MP Beta

I only see Trials and God of War. Must be a glitch with gamespot.
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#7 Reiko2K1
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You can tell easily thatUncharted 3 is not using MLAA because this AA is blurring the picture more compared to God of War 3

UC3

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#8 Zero_epyon
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[QUOTE="CorbraMax"]

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"]I don't see any Uncharted 3 pics in the OP. SilverChimera

2nd pic is from the Uncharted 3 MP Beta

I only see Trials and God of War. Must be a glitch with gamespot.

I dont see it either.
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#9 Adamantium4k2
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Just curious, but what Antialiasing does inFamous2 use?

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Its fine but cant compare to MLAA.You can clearly still see jaggies on that tree whereas the pillers on GoW3 are perfect.
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#11 Reiko2K1
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Just curious, but what Antialiasing does inFamous2 use?

Adamantium4k2

None.

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#12 Reiko2K1
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[QUOTE="SilverChimera"][QUOTE="CorbraMax"]

2nd pic is from the Uncharted 3 MP Beta

Zero_epyon

I only see Trials and God of War. Must be a glitch with gamespot.

I dont see it either.

Those pics are from lens of truth. Unless your browser is blocking that site for being annoying...

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I will never understand the masturbation over Uncharted's grafix. The game honestly doesnt look that mindblowing. There are games out right now that have better visuals, like Killzone 3 and Infamous 2. After playing the beta, the graphics are quite bad.

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Its fine but cant compare to MLAA.You can clearly still see jaggies on that tree whereas the pillers on GoW3 are perfect.killzowned24

MLAA doesn't work on trees either.It's also less stabile in movement,and provides less sub pixel anti aliasing.Its still sharper than this FXAA implantation,though that could change in future.

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#15 killzowned24
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The trials shot also looks funky like it has some screen door effect .take a close look at the mountains then scan rest of shot to see its everywhere.

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The trials shot also looks funky like it has some screen door effect .take a close look at the mountains then scan rest of shot to see its everywhere.

killzowned24

Something is actually wrong with that pic. Sebbi (Trials dev) said the picture was lazily upscaled and that color correction was not added. lol The pic looks completely washed out on my monitor.

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#17 Reiko2K1
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Whoa... Looks like MLAA on Xbox 360 is gaining steam (CVG Article. Posted today)

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/309595/xbox-360-improved-with-ps3-only-graphics-feature/

This should be ported to the PS3 ASAP. Uncharted 3 would look as crisp as God of War 3.

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#18 mitu123
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Wow, I still see jaggies in those 3 games, beats no AA though.

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I will never understand the masturbation over Uncharted's grafix. The game honestly doesnt look that mindblowing. There are games out right now that have better visuals, like Killzone 3 and Infamous 2. After playing the beta, the graphics are quite bad.

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Ima PC gamer so im right and your wrong. And Uncharted does looks great for a console game. It does visuals better then any Blurzone and jaggfamous 2 on pretty much everything...
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#21 Reiko2K1
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[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

I will never understand the masturbation over Uncharted's grafix. The game honestly doesnt look that mindblowing. There are games out right now that have better visuals, like Killzone 3 and Infamous 2. After playing the beta, the graphics are quite bad.

mattuk69

Ima PC gamer so im right and your wrong. And Uncharted does looks great for a console game. It does visuals better then any Blurzone and jaggfamous 2 on pretty much everything...

Oh the irony of the Blurzone comment. Killzone 3 looks much sharper than the Uncharted 3 Beta since it's using MLAA.

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Its fine but cant compare to MLAA.You can clearly still see jaggies on that tree whereas the pillers on GoW3 are perfect.killzowned24
I can see plenty of aliasing in the GOW pic.
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#23 mitu123
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[QUOTE="killzowned24"]Its fine but cant compare to MLAA.You can clearly still see jaggies on that tree whereas the pillers on GoW3 are perfect.ferret-gamer
I can see plenty of aliasing in the GOW pic.

Is he honestly saying GOW3 doesn't have jaggies? MLAA isn't 32xAA.

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[QUOTE="mattuk69"][QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

I will never understand the masturbation over Uncharted's grafix. The game honestly doesnt look that mindblowing. There are games out right now that have better visuals, like Killzone 3 and Infamous 2. After playing the beta, the graphics are quite bad.

CorbraMax

Ima PC gamer so im right and your wrong. And Uncharted does looks great for a console game. It does visuals better then any Blurzone and jaggfamous 2 on pretty much everything...

Oh the irony of the Blurzone comment. Killzone 3 looks much sharper than the Uncharted 3 Beta since it's using MLAA.

First off:

That's sharpness.

That's Blur..

Second MLAA can make games look even more blurred.

NO AA

MLAA

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[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

I will never understand the masturbation over Uncharted's grafix. The game honestly doesnt look that mindblowing. There are games out right now that have better visuals, like Killzone 3 and Infamous 2. After playing the beta, the graphics are quite bad.

mattuk69

Ima PC gamer so im right and your wrong. And Uncharted does looks great for a console game. It does visuals better then any Blurzone and jaggfamous 2 on pretty much everything...

I own all 3 of the games, and have put over 100 hours into Uncharted 2, 30+ hours in Infamous 2, in addition to being in the U3 beta. There is nothing asthetic about the games visuals.

And lol @ "jagfamous". Uncharted 2 was FULL of jaggies and low res textures, that didnt even look finished. I have a hard time believing youve played Infamous 2 or Killzone 3. BTW, tc, I cant even see the Uncharted 3 pics.

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#26 StrongDeadlift
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This is an asthetically pleasing game:

Compared to:

Strong Graffix king. And before you scream "teh bullshots", this is exactly what BOTH games looked like on my television.

*waits for someone to scream "bullshots" so I can bring in the youtube videos*

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#27 Zero_epyon
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Infamous two looks good but no where near those pics.

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#29 tryagainlater
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@StrongDeadlift

Why are you comparing finished single player graphics to multiplayer beta graphics?

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#30 Reiko2K1
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The pics of inFamous 2 and Uncharted 3 are supersampled bullshots.

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#31 mitu123
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This is an asthetically pleasing game:

Compared to:

Strong Graffix king. And before you scream "teh bullshots", this is exactly what BOTH games looked like on my television.

*waits for someone to scream "bullshots" so I can bring in the youtube videos*

StrongDeadlift

A console game having no jaggies? Please be a joke post.

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#32 StrongDeadlift
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One question, why is there no AA in the infamous games ? MLAA at least ?TheGuardian03
I have read an interview where sucker punch said they were, but I cannot find it. It was from months ago. They said that MLAA is part of the toolset that ALL PS developers have now. I cant imagine why it would be otherwise anyways. The game has very little jaggies anyways. People complaining about jaggies in this game,and in Killzone 3 must get VERY bloody eyes when they play halo reach lol. Besides, Uncharted is FULL of jaggies. I2 and KZ2 were smoothe as butter compared to your average console game this gen reguarding jaggies.
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#33 Reiko2K1
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One question, why is there no AA in the infamous games ? MLAA at least ?TheGuardian03

MLAA eats up too much SPU time. For a game like inFamous, it couldn't afford it for all the physics.

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#34 StrongDeadlift
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A console game having no jaggies? Please be a joke post.

mitu123

Here, Ill post videos so you all can see how inferior Uncharted 3 looks.

Uncharted 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E21IWnoyx5A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klJxgk1fZAI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUqXPxthWBc

Infamous 2 (possible spoilers)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0Xpy4LclAk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfD6Da4GuW0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpjPDQZxVko

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#35 mattuk69
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This is an asthetically pleasing game:

Compared to:

Strong Graffix king. And before you scream "teh bullshots", this is exactly what BOTH games looked like on my television.

*waits for someone to scream "bullshots" so I can bring in the youtube videos*

StrongDeadlift

I wish i had a TV that added 32X AA to my games:cry::roll:

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#36 StrongDeadlift
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[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

This is an asthetically pleasing game:

Compared to:

Strong Graffix king. And before you scream "teh bullshots", this is exactly what BOTH games looked like on my television.

*waits for someone to scream "bullshots" so I can bring in the youtube videos*

mattuk69

I wish i had a TV that added 32X AA to my games:cry::roll:

Still looks better than Uncharted 3. Lol, it looks better than Uncharted 3 PERIOD. Go ahead, why dont you provide me YOUR pics? There is no form of trickery, or different methods of capturing video, or anything you could do that will hide the PS2 like textures present in Uncharted 3's beta. Reffer to the videos I posted above. Just about everything in Infamous 2 is better. lighting? Poly Count? richness of effects, IE fire, water, explosions, Cole's powers, etc. Ive put 30+ hours into the game, as well as 100+ in Uncharted 2, and I was just in uncharted 3's beta this morning. But in your opinion, can you please tell me what you think Uncharted 3 does better?
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#37 Reiko2K1
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Updated the Uncharted3 direct feed pics in the OP.

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#38 Reiko2K1
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Here's the FXAA3 sharper console setting I was talking about.

http://timothylottes.blogspot.com/2011/06/sharper-fxaa3-console.html

Put it in Naughty Dog!

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@StrongDeadlift

Why are you comparing finished single player graphics to multiplayer beta graphics?

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:lol: The haters are getting desperate
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#40 Com64-2
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Here's the FXAA3 sharper console setting I was talking about.

http://timothylottes.blogspot.com/2011/06/sharper-fxaa3-console.html

Put it in Naughty Dog!

CorbraMax

Uncharted 3 looks slightly better in screens than uncharted 2 but U3 beta is using FXAA and the IQ looks slightly degraded to me because FXAA doesnt clean up the image as good as MSAA. Lots of vertical shimmering in the Airship level.

I hope they use 2xMSAA instead like the previous games.

2xMSAA gives a much cleaner image compared to what MLAA/FXAA filters can provide.

Uncharted 2 level graphics are fine ND just give us a new game with improved gameplay and story.

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#41 GTSaiyanjin2
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NG only just implemented FXAA on the game, I'm sure their version will get better as they figure out how to use it properly.

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#42 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

A console game having no jaggies? Please be a joke post.

StrongDeadlift

Here, Ill post videos so you all can see how inferior Uncharted 3 looks.

Uncharted 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E21IWnoyx5A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klJxgk1fZAI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUqXPxthWBc

Infamous 2 (possible spoilers)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0Xpy4LclAk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfD6Da4GuW0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpjPDQZxVko

Of course Infamous 2 looks better than the UC3 beta, but you have proved that it has jaggies.

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#43 demonic_85
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FXAAx16 in Duke Nukem and F.3.A.R. FTW! Oh wait you cant do that on a console....

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#44 demonic_85
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As far as comparing Uncharted to Infamous, they look about the same to me in terms of graphics. Uncharted looks like it has better lighting but it could just be the scenery. I think Uncharted is a higher quality game thanks to the excellent script and voice acting which Infamous lacks.

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#45 WilliamRLBaker
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This is an asthetically pleasing game:

Compared to:

Strong Graffix king. And before you scream "teh bullshots", this is exactly what BOTH games looked like on my television.

*waits for someone to scream "bullshots" so I can bring in the youtube videos*

StrongDeadlift

bullshots? and bringing youtube videos mean nothing becuase you can get bull shot videos where nothing is running except a script no AI, most all graphics are pre loaded...ect But I've seen infamous 2 played and it doesn't look that good at all times or even at all it looks near it. Lets just hope Infamous 2 has a far better story then infamous doesn't fail to the glitches and faulty gameplay elements of infamous as well.
*goes back to his evil playthrough of infamous*

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FXAAx16 in Duke Nukem and F.3.A.R. FTW! Oh wait you cant do that on a console....

demonic_85

Is there such a thing as FXAAx16 ? I know Duke has it on the PC version, but I dont remember there being a number next to it.

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#47 Com64-2
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[QUOTE="demonic_85"]

FXAAx16 in Duke Nukem and F.3.A.R. FTW! Oh wait you cant do that on a console....

GTSaiyanjin2

Is there such a thing as FXAAx16 ? I know Duke has it on the PC version, but I dont remember there being a number next to it.

He is on to something.

I tried DNF with FXAA and 720p resolution on my 40 inch lcd and found out that FXAAin DNF is much better at removing jaggies and is cleaner than U3 beta but the image was blurrier than U3 beta.

U3 beta looks as sharp as U2 with msaa but with more jaggies on some stuff in the background.

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#48 Reiko2K1
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NG only just implemented FXAA on the game, I'm sure their version will get better as they figure out how to use it properly.

GTSaiyanjin2

Sony has been modifying it as we speak. 343i (Halo devs) have also been tinkering around with it.

That plus, the creator of FXAA introducing a sharper setting... It should be great.

And no FXAA16 does not exist. lol Console and PC are still at FXAA3.

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#49 Com64-2
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Maybe ND can tweak the FXAA in U3 and get a better result.

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#50 Bus-A-Bus
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[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

NG only just implemented FXAA on the game, I'm sure their version will get better as they figure out how to use it properly.

CorbraMax

Sony has been modifying it as we speak. 343i (Halo devs) have also been tinkering around with it.

That plus, the creator of FXAA introducing a sharper setting... It should be great.

And no FXAA16 does not exist. lol Console and PC are still at FXAA3.

There is no FXAAx16,but there is FXAA3 quality(PC version) and FXAA3 console(console version).PC version gives better results.Sharper and better,console version is faster and more blurred(PC version is actually not blurred at all).But judging by latest update it seems like console version can be "fixed",more sharp.