Lots of 3DS games are getting canceled.

[QUOTE="lordlors"][QUOTE="DerekLoffin"] Sorry, but your denial of the smartphone market has zero relevance on whether the developers spend their money there rather than other places. Developers want to make money, and if they can pump out 10 cheap $5 games that net them 5 million total vs 1 $40 game that nets them 3 million, they'll likely go with the 10 cheap ones whether we like it or not.DerekLoffin

Glancing at the list of cancelled games, I can see that no one really even cared about them to begin with, for the most part.

I'm starting to fear for Time Travelers, Layton vs. Wright, Fantasy Life, Resident Evil: Revelations and Beyond the Labyrinth.

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="lordlors"] I'm sorry but until smartphones get a game similar to Uncharted, Mario Kart, LBP, Resident Evil Revelations, Dragon Quest IX, etc., smartphones are irrelevant in the gaming handheld discussion. You never see proper versions of FF, RE, etc. from smartphones. You get mini games and spin-offs. Handhelds are here to stay. Casuals won't buy games from their smartphones that are expensive compared to the plethora of $1 games so developing a core game or should i say a high quality/high budget game on smartphones isn't rosy as it seems.

lordlors

I also think hardcore gamers are served by so many platforms now -- the 360, the PS3, the PC, the DS, the PSP, the 3DS, soon the Vita and the Wii U -- the 3DS is going to have a hard time getting a software library that makes people should out "I need that one" when looking at all these console options out there. It's confusing, and a bit over-saturated.

[QUOTE="lordlors"][QUOTE="DerekLoffin"] Sorry, but your denial of the smartphone market has zero relevance on whether the developers spend their money there rather than other places. Developers want to make money, and if they can pump out 10 cheap $5 games that net them 5 million total vs 1 $40 game that nets them 3 million, they'll likely go with the 10 cheap ones whether we like it or not.SakusEnvoy

I also think hardcore gamers are served by so many platforms now -- the 360, the PS3, the PC, the DS, the PSP, the 3DS, soon the Vita and the Wii U -- the 3DS is going to have a hard time getting a software library that makes people should out "I need that one" when looking at all these console options out there. It's confusing, and a bit over-saturated.

This just in: publishers refuse to "risk" green-lighting high budget mainline franchise entries on Nintendo systems based on the sales of C-team efforts, spin offs, ports and rhythm games.

Well to be fair this was always an issue on the home console side, looks like it just reached Nintendo handhelds too.

SuperFlakeman

From what I heard, it's more expensive to make a game for the 3DS than it is for the DS, PSP, or even Vita (in which Sony made development incredibly easy for it).

Another hole in the "it's not Nintendo's fault that no-one makes good games for their system" apologists: was it the third parties' fault that Nintendo wouldn't put a CD-drive on the N64, which lost them the support of Square and many other top-shelf publishers in the mid 1990s? Instead of lashing out at the world like an emo kid, I think Nintendo fanboys need to take a look at what Nintendo is doing wrong.Timstuff

Exactly. Nintendo fanboys always likes to think that Nintendo never does anything wrong.

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

[QUOTE="lordlors"] It seems you can't comprehend. I'm simply saying devs will make games on smartphones but not like the games you play on handhelds no matter how strong the hardware of smartphones will get. If anything, smartphones are doing a favor to 3DS/Vita because casual games and trashy games will appear less on the two platforms and migrate to smartphones while core games will remain on the handhelds.lordlors

I also think hardcore gamers are served by so many platforms now -- the 360, the PS3, the PC, the DS, the PSP, the 3DS, soon the Vita and the Wii U -- the 3DS is going to have a hard time getting a software library that makes people should out "I need that one" when looking at all these console options out there. It's confusing, and a bit over-saturated.

I do agree though; the future fate of handhelds will be decided by Japan. Even as the PSP and 3DS scrape the bottom of the hardware ladder in the West, those same two consoles dominate the top of the ladder in Japan. But will handhelds just end up becoming home to a bunch of obscure Japanese games that never arrive in the West? (I feel the word "PSP" coming to mind...)

Not to mention that Zelda OoT failed to sell 3 million 3DS units :lol:

EggHeadMan

Mega Man Legends 3 being cancelled had nothing to do with the 3DS. Capcom should never have announced the game. The whole thing was basically a cruel joke. Feels bad man.

[QUOTE="oldkingallant"][QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

Good, finally people getting tired of a nintendo system :twisted:.. Vita destory it please :oops:

:P

1stPlaceWinner

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

This just in: publishers refuse to "risk" green-lighting high budget mainline franchise entries on Nintendo systems based on the sales of C-team efforts, spin offs, ports and rhythm games.

Well to be fair this was always an issue on the home console side, looks like it just reached Nintendo handhelds too.

garland51

From what I heard, it's more expensive to make a game for the 3DS than it is for the DS, PSP, or even Vita (in which Sony made development incredibly easy for it).

Another hole in the "it's not Nintendo's fault that no-one makes good games for their system" apologists: was it the third parties' fault that Nintendo wouldn't put a CD-drive on the N64, which lost them the support of Square and many other top-shelf publishers in the mid 1990s? Instead of lashing out at the world like an emo kid, I think Nintendo fanboys need to take a look at what Nintendo is doing wrong.Timstuff

Exactly. Nintendo fanboys always likes to think that Nintendo never does anything wrong.

JESUS CHRIST!!! BloodRayne was making a come back?!?! why wasn't i told about this before?!?!!? there'd better be a pc/console version.

JESUS CHRIST!!! BloodRayne was making a come back?!?! why wasn't i told about this before?!?!!? there'd better be a pc/console version.

cowgriller

There a 2D game coming to PSN/XBLA.

Most of them might be rythm games or just overall random stuff but who knows, maybe 3ds lost a sleeper hit :P.

It's true that eventually big titles will come out, but those are mostly first party which once again doesn't really encourage 3rd party to jump along.

I do however should mention that it's kind of a bad luck streak since some of those titles are canceled due to outside reasons and not particularly because 3ds is unprofitable, hope the Vita releases in a better time.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Timstuff"]Ah yes, the old "it's everyone's fault but Nintendo's" mantra that the hardcore use to justify never blaming Nintendo for their failures. While we're at it, why don't we blame Microsoft and Sony for making their systems too competitive for Nintendo to keep up with?Timstuff

Arguement winning responds, right there.

The 3DS was just overhyped and rushed, I feel sorry for the early adopters because there isn't much on it to play right now.

Are people here actually suggesting that Nintendo make lower quality first party titles just so the inferior third party games can have a chance to compete?Handicapping great developmentis an incredibly stupid view point to have.

Are people here actually suggesting that Nintendo make lower quality first person titles just so the inferior third party games can have a chance to compete?Handicapping great developmentis an incredibly stupid view point to have.

Zen_Light

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] so what exactly did Nintendo do that got third parties to develop their games on the DS?Shinobishyguy

Actually no, because like the DS loving PSP haters have been saying for years, the PSP specializes in "console" games on the go.

Funny how that used to be seen as a negative thing, and just might be the main reason the Vita beats out the 3DS. :lol:

They should make lower budget, less risky games, and if it's successful enough, port it to other systems later. More Cubic Ninja, Dream Trigger 3D, and Bit. Trip Saga. Try something a little bit different.

[QUOTE="Zen_Light"]

Are people here actually suggesting that Nintendo make lower quality first party titles just so the inferior third party games can have a chance to compete?Handicapping great developmentis an incredibly stupid view point to have.

GD1551

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="DerekLoffin"] Be the cheap development option of the time. Most smart-phone-esk devices at the time did not have well developed proven markets yet (iPhone didn't release till 3 years later). Now they do which greatly cuts into that option for 3DS.

xYamatox

Actually no, because like the DS loving PSP haters have been saying for years, the PSP specializes in "console" games on the go.

Funny how that used to be seen as a negative thing, and just might be the main reason the Vita beats out the 3DS. :lol:

Good, finally people getting tired of a nintendo system :twisted:.. Vita destory it please :oops:

:P

finalstar2007

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="DerekLoffin"] Be the cheap development option of the time. Most smart-phone-esk devices at the time did not have well developed proven markets yet (iPhone didn't release till 3 years later). Now they do which greatly cuts into that option for 3DS.

xYamatox

Actually no, because like the DS loving PSP haters have been saying for years, the PSP specializes in "console" games on the go.

Funny how that used to be seen as a negative thing, and just might be the main reason the Vita beats out the 3DS. :lol:

Problem: 3DS games getting canceled in quick succession

Ying/Yang reaction: Said games didn't matter anyway/3DS is doomedzor

Such is the System Wars.

Ultimately its not the fact that those particular titles were canceled but the fact games are being canceled for it already, if publishers had faith in it they'd probably still get the go ahead. We all know how much half-assed junk appears on the Wii because of its hype and the size of its casual user base. Why isn't the same happening with the 3DS? Is the casual crowd content with the DS? Are publishers too seduced by Vita? I don't know

Maybe what we're going to see here is a Nintendo system for the hardcore again and a smaller but awesome library in the future :D

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] If thats the case then the vita must be in trouble as wellShinobishyguy

Actually no, because like the DS loving PSP haters have been saying for years, the PSP specializes in "console" games on the go.

Funny how that used to be seen as a negative thing, and just might be the main reason the Vita beats out the 3DS. :lol:

Exclusive titles say otherwise. Just look at how many people want MGS: Peace Walker as a PS3 port, and you'll see that it isn't redundant at all.

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] If thats the case then the vita must be in trouble as wellShinobishyguy

Actually no, because like the DS loving PSP haters have been saying for years, the PSP specializes in "console" games on the go.

Funny how that used to be seen as a negative thing, and just might be the main reason the Vita beats out the 3DS. :lol:

Problem: 3DS games getting canceled in quick succession

Ying/Yang reaction: Said games didn't matter anyway/3DS is doomedzor

Such is the System Wars.

Ultimately its not the fact that those particular titles were canceled but the fact games are being canceled for it already, if publishers had faith in it they'd probably still get the go ahead. We all know how much half-assed junk appears on the Wii because of its hype and the size of its casual user base. Why isn't the same happening with the 3DS? Is the casual crowd content with the DS? Are publishers too seduced by Vita? I don't know

Maybe what we're going to see here is a Nintendo system for the hardcore again and a smaller but awesome library in the future :D

tomarlyn

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

Good, finally people getting tired of a nintendo system :twisted:.. Vita destory it please :oops:

:P

NVIDIATI

In another thread I listed almost 15 games worth owning for the 3DS that are all comming out this year and next. Too lazy to go grab it them all again :P

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="xYamatox"]

Actually no, because like the DS loving PSP haters have been saying for years, the PSP specializes in "console" games on the go.

Funny how that used to be seen as a negative thing, and just might be the main reason the Vita beats out the 3DS. :lol:

xYamatox

Exclusive titles say otherwise. Just look at how many people want MGS: Peace Walker as a PS3 port, and you'll see that it isn't redundant at all.

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] If thats the case then the vita must be in trouble as wellZen_Light

Actually no, because like the DS loving PSP haters have been saying for years, the PSP specializes in "console" games on the go.

Funny how that used to be seen as a negative thing, and just might be the main reason the Vita beats out the 3DS. :lol:

1) The general public had no problems with the PSP, just some hardcore Nintendo fanboys had beef with it because Sony tried treading on Nintendo's turf.

2) The previous business model (that you speak of) doesn't really mean much, because the 3DS currently has very little going for it as far as games are concerned, which is 150% the reason people play handhelds.

3) Of course it's an assumption, I said the Vita MIGHT beat out the 3DS, not that it was set in stone. For all we know, Sony might drop the ball completely. However, with the 3DS in the state that it's currently in, Sony has a very nice oppurtunity to take the lead for handheld gaming (much like how the 360 overtook the PS3 this gen, despite the PS2 being a much bigger success than the original Xbox).

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

Problem: 3DS games getting canceled in quick succession

Ying/Yang reaction: Said games didn't matter anyway/3DS is doomedzor

Such is the System Wars.

Ultimately its not the fact that those particular titles were canceled but the fact games are being canceled for it already, if publishers had faith in it they'd probably still get the go ahead. We all know how much half-assed junk appears on the Wii because of its hype and the size of its casual user base. Why isn't the same happening with the 3DS? Is the casual crowd content with the DS? Are publishers too seduced by Vita? I don't know

Maybe what we're going to see here is a Nintendo system for the hardcore again and a smaller but awesome library in the future :D

Shinobishyguy

We all know how much half-assed junk appears on the Wii because of its hype and the size of its casual user base. Why isn't the same happening with the 3DS?

tomarlyn

Well for one Nintendo stated that they where aiming for the 20 y/o adult male with 3DS, initially. That is totally being reflected by the upcoming games.

Nintendogs+Cats is there for the casuals yes, but Brain Age, NSMB, Picross, Pokemon, Art Academy and that type of software is for the future.

For now, they cater to this particular audience and especially the Nintendo fan (Kid Icarus!!!) as this is the crowd that is willing to shell out $250 outside of holidays.

Additionally this is free marekting for them. As you know it's difficult to market 3DS' main selling point, the best way is to get enough systems out there as people pass them around family & friends which will create awareness and hype, especially since they all loved their DS's, they'd be willing to join once it drops to $200.

The 3rd parties? Dunno they seem pretty clueless. I get the impression that they are basing future projects on the sales of spinoffs, C-team efforts and so on. Japan is in a state of fail on the home consoles so idk why they aren't going full force Vita/3DS. I can't see western devs abandoning PS3/360/Wii U development anytime soon, Ubisoft being one who already cancelled a 3DS AC game.

The DS was awesome and had plenty of everything, I don't see the same happening again. I'm not sure average Joe is going to pick up the 3DS like he did the DS, he's happy with his DS. Therefore less crap and more win sprinkled around like fairy dust. Its an odd analogy I know but it works in my perception of reality :Ptomarlyn

3DS is gonna last at least 6 years (4-5 if it fails). By that time Joe has moved on from DS.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Because maybe Nintendo systems should be more than that one you want to buy when you want to play Mario, Zelda, or Pokemon?

hakanakumono

It's up to Nintendo to maintain 3rd party relations and ensure support for their platform. If 3rd parties take their business elsewhere, then it's Nintendo's fault for not creating a viable platform.

Seriously, Nintendo's fans are as bad for Nintendo as anything else since they refuse to admit Nintendo needs to change their ways. Nintendo's own incompetence is always the last thing ever to get blamed when there's something wrong with one of Nintendo's system, and the fanboys always project it onto some external tormentor. Whenever a Nintendo system's library is drying up, the fanboy narrative is always that Nintendo's third parties betrayed them and never that Nintendo failed to maintain good relations with their third parties. It happened with the N64 and Gamecube, and it's happening again with the Wii and 3DS.

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

We all know how much half-assed junk appears on the Wii because of its hype and the size of its casual user base. Why isn't the same happening with the 3DS?

SuperFlakeman

Well for one Nintendo stated that they where aiming for the 20 y/o adult male with 3DS, initially. That is totally being reflected by the upcoming games.

Nintendogs+Cats is there for the casuals yes, but Brain Age, NSMB, Picross, Pokemon, Art Academy and that type of software is for the future.

For now, they cater to this particular audience and especially the Nintendo fan (Kid Icarus!!!) as this is the crowd that is willing to shell out $250 outside of holidays.

Additionally this is free marekting for them. As you know it's difficult to market 3DS' main selling point, the best way is to get enough systems out there as people pass them around family & friends which will create awareness and hype, especially since they all loved their DS's, they'd be willing to join once it drops to $200.

The 3rd parties? Dunno they seem pretty clueless. I get the impression that they are basing future projects on the sales of spinoffs, C-team efforts and so on. Japan is in a state of fail on the home consoles so idk why they aren't going full force Vita/3DS. I can't see western devs abandoning PS3/360/Wii U development anytime soon, Ubisoft being one who already cancelled a 3DS AC game.

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] if thats the case then the psvita is redundant for those who already have a ps3Shinobishyguy

Exclusive titles say otherwise. Just look at how many people want MGS: Peace Walker as a PS3 port, and you'll see that it isn't redundant at all.

My point is that the PSP brand as already established that it's main goal is a more "console game" style focus. It's going to be very easy to take the gaming experiences we have seen this gen and implement them onto the Vita (2 analog sticks help this quite a bit. No matter how bad someone wants to argue the sylus is a comparible resource, it simply is not).

The DS on the other hand was more about (god save me for using this word) pushing "gimmick" games. As another poster already said, smartphones are good enough to play these gimmick esque games, for cheaper the cost. While the 3DS (and the DS for that matter) does have it's core games, it wasn't really what the system was known for.

Honestly, devs don't decide to NOT develop for the system unless there was a sure reason not to. We might see the same thing happen with the Vita too, but at least with the Vita, devs can focus on a more "console" experience without the hefty dev costs on developing on an actual console. Not to mention the PSP has excellent PStore support that will probably be even better with the Vita (imagine games like Castle Crashers, Braid, and Super Stardust HD getting Vita support).

This is all speculation and assumption on my part. The Vita might fail, and the 3DS may get an influx of great games. What we do know now though, is that the 3DS doesn't currently offer much to be desired other than your run of the mill 1st Party Nintendo games that are to be expected, for the same price as the Vita (which already offers more hardware wise out of the box), and the potential of a more "console handheld experience".

The only one worth crying mor is mMl3

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]The DS was awesome and had plenty of everything, I don't see the same happening again. I'm not sure average Joe is going to pick up the 3DS like he did the DS, he's happy with his DS. Therefore less crap and more win sprinkled around like fairy dust. Its an odd analogy I know but it works in my perception of reality :PSuperFlakeman

3DS is gonna last at least 6 years (4-5 if it fails). By that time Joe has moved on from DS.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]And it's up to third parties to supply the system with those type of games, BUT it seems that they're not even bothering to try this timeTimstuff

It's up to Nintendo to maintain 3rd party relations and ensure support for their platform. If 3rd parties take their business elsewhere, then it's Nintendo's fault for not creating a viable platform.

Seriously, Nintendo's fans are as bad for Nintendo as anything else since they refuse to admit Nintendo needs to change their ways. Nintendo's own incompetence is always the last thing ever to get blamed when there's something wrong with one of Nintendo's system, and the fanboys always project it onto some external tormentor. Whenever a Nintendo system's library is drying up, the fanboy narrative is always that Nintendo's third parties betrayed them and never that Nintendo failed to maintain good relations with their third parties. It happened with the N64 and Gamecube, and it's happening again with the Wii and 3DS.

What's with All the Cancelled 3DS Games?

Maybe it's bad timing or just bad luck. But there's a growing list of cancelled 3DS games. That's not good.

On the list of canned 3DS games, there's My Garden, which was supposed to be a 3DS launch title. There's also Saints Row: Drive-By, also apparently canned.

Four Hudson games for the 3DS were canned, including Omega Five, Kororinpa: Marble Mania, Bonk, and Bomberman. However, these cancellations could be due to the current situation at Hudson.

BloodRayne: The Shroud wasn't canned outright, but it's development is currently on hold. Also, DJ Hero 3 hasn't been officially cancelled, but it seems like this game is going to fall by the wayside. Blame the flagging popularity of music games for that!

Assassin's Creed: Lost Legacy was officially canned, and as of yesterday, Mega Man Legends 3 bit the dust.

To add insult to injury, it was revealed this week that 3DS game Crush 3D was delayed due to uncertainly over whether or not the 3DS is going to succeed.

The Nintendo 3DS was released in late February in Japan and in late March in the West. It's only been out a few months, and it's already being battered by bad luck and strong headwinds. There are big 3DS games on the horizon, and The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D is currently out.

The issue that plagues Nintendo hardware isn't traditionally a lack of good Nintendo games, but a lack of good games from outside developers—not to say these canned games were amazing. However, if developer after developer jumps ship, what kind of message does it send studios thinking about making a 3DS title?

http://kotaku.com/5822519/whats-with-all-the-cancelled-3ds-games

Timstuff

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

It's up to Nintendo to maintain 3rd party relations and ensure support for their platform. If 3rd parties take their business elsewhere, then it's Nintendo's fault for not creating a viable platform.

Shinobishyguy

Seriously, Nintendo's fans are as bad for Nintendo as anything else since they refuse to admit Nintendo needs to change their ways. Nintendo's own incompetence is always the last thing ever to get blamed when there's something wrong with one of Nintendo's system, and the fanboys always project it onto some external tormentor. Whenever a Nintendo system's library is drying up, the fanboy narrative is always that Nintendo's third parties betrayed them and never that Nintendo failed to maintain good relations with their third parties. It happened with the N64 and Gamecube, and it's happening again with the Wii and 3DS.

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Bubububu teh conspiracy! :cry:

Seriously, Nintendo's fans are as bad for Nintendo as anything else since they refuse to admit Nintendo needs to change their ways. Nintendo's own incompetence is always the last thing ever to get blamed when there's something wrong with one of Nintendo's system, and the fanboys always project it onto some external tormentor. Whenever a Nintendo system's library is drying up, the fanboy narrative is always that Nintendo's third parties betrayed them and never that Nintendo failed to maintain good relations with their third parties. It happened with the N64 and Gamecube, and it's happening again with the Wii and 3DS.

Shinobishyguy

They can start by putting some faith in a franchise that is not 15-20+ years old. The current thinking in the industry is that the only games that get truly great sales on Nintendo systems are ones that have Mario on the box (or any other classic Nintendo character), and Nintendo has done little to dispel that belief. When they roll out a new franchise the marketing is half-assed at best. Nintendo only puts their best foot forward when it's to promote one of their old franchises, and so third parties can't be expected to put their best foot forward if they believe Mario is the only thing that sells well on Nintendo systems.

Also, Nintendo's royalties are still much higher than they should be, which is something that does not get brought up a lot but it still bears repeating. On the Gamecube it cost more to license a game through Nintendo than it did Sony, even though you stood to make less profit on the Gamecube than the PS2. There is no logic behind that, and yet Nintendo still acts as though it should be seen as a privelege to develop a third party game on one of their systems even though third party games sell better on the other systems.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Timstuff"]Bubububu teh conspiracy! :cry:

Seriously, Nintendo's fans are as bad for Nintendo as anything else since they refuse to admit Nintendo needs to change their ways. Nintendo's own incompetence is always the last thing ever to get blamed when there's something wrong with one of Nintendo's system, and the fanboys always project it onto some external tormentor. Whenever a Nintendo system's library is drying up, the fanboy narrative is always that Nintendo's third parties betrayed them and never that Nintendo failed to maintain good relations with their third parties. It happened with the N64 and Gamecube, and it's happening again with the Wii and 3DS.

Timstuff

They can start by putting some faith in a franchise that is not 15-20+ years old. The current thinking in the industry is that the only games that get truly great sales on Nintendo systems are ones that have Mario on the box (or any other classic Nintendo character), and Nintendo has done little to dispel that belief. When they roll out a new franchise the marketing is half-assed at best. Nintendo only puts their best foot forward when it's to promote one of their old franchises, and so third parties can't be expected to put their best foot forward if they believe Mario is the only thing that sells well on Nintendo systems.

Also, Nintendo's royalties are still much higher than they should be, which is something that does not get brought up a lot but it still bears repeating. On the Gamecube it cost more to license a game through Nintendo than it did Sony, even though you stood to make less profit on the Gamecube than the PS2. There is no logic behind that, and yet Nintendo still acts as though it should be seen as a privelege to develop a third party game on one of their systems even though third party games sell better on the other systems.