M$ is still in denial over weak Xbone specs

Well not exactly lazy, but they are not going to take the additional time and money to make both run at the same resolution.

Make no mistake about it, Xbox One is more than capable, but in the case of PS4 versions running at a higher resolution because most of those game were built using older style pc architecture, so it easy to port those over with medium setting.

This story is far from being over.

Well not exactly lazy, but they are not going to take the additional time and money to make both run at the same resolution.

Make no mistake about it, Xbox One is more than capable, but in the case of PS4 versions running at a higher resolution because most of those game were built using older style pc architecture, so it easy to port those over with medium setting.

This story is far from being over.

after the esram, secret sauce, dx12, cloud...

The Xbox One might have a weaker hardware compared to the PlayStation 4, but according to the Xbox’s director of development, Boyd Multerer, the design of Xbox One is effectively a “Super-Computer Design,” and it will allow the developers to squeeze more performance out of the Xbox One with time.

In an interview with Total Xbox, Multerer commented on the resolution controversy that is usually associated with the Xbox One.

“Part of it is the obvious one where everyone’s still getting to know this hardware and they’ll learn to optimise it. Part of it is less obvious, in that we focused a lot of our energy on framerate. And I think we have a consistently better framerate story that we can tell.

Boyd then talks about how they prioritized the CPU performance on the Xbox One, in order to get the best performance out of the CPU. While it may have not resulted in better resolution in games, he placed an emphasis on the frame rate calling it “smooth” on the Xbox One.

http://gearnuke.com/xbox-one-effectively-super-computer-design-says-xboxs-director-development-boyd-multerer/

just ignore them tc. MS' only chance to make the xbox brand relevant was with the x360 and they blew it. Not even worth discussing this shit anymore.

What is he supposed to say?

@tormentos:

I never once brought in a power difference between the two consoles. PS4 is more capable than the X1. The proof is in the pudding.

I was talking about the incompetence / bias of a developer.

Also defending Forza 5. That needs no defending. From me or anyone. It stands on its own legs.

I own the consoles. See I have first hand knowledge. Do you own both consoles, to have such concrete opinions? Just asking.

Gamers play games not companies. Ask Heli. When I was a kid I walked into an arcade I never once saw a manufactures name. I saw the games. I played the games.

With your amazingly glaring High IQ you should be rolling in money? You do own the PS4 and Xbox 1. There is no way you can be making these claims without owning them? Using second hand and third hand knowledge to form the outlines of your debates is kind of weak? Wouldn't you agree?

No you were making lame ass excuses to justify one game been inferior on xbox one,while ignoring that there is a truck load of games from other developers under that same problem.

No matter how many years developers spend optimizing the xbox one can't match the PS4 version because the xbox one lack the power to do so.

Yes it stands as a 79% game with downgraded graphics,it has even been compare with Forza 4 directly and Forza 4 actually had some things that look better,not to mention it was 90% on meta unlike Forza 5,the game had to give up everything next gen to be able to run at 1080p 60FPS.

Oh here comes the copy paste do you own the consoles arguments,because owning both consoles change the outcome of the comparisons done on site like Digital Foundry,so Ghost is 1080p if you own and xbox one and not 720p like DF claim right.?

Yet here you are downplaying the PS4 and cheer leading for MS,yeah go lie to some place else lemming,we already know your angle is not hard to see.

So is that you Kingtito.? Or maybe Stormyjoe..lol Man it is so easy to spot that your an alter account of one of my butthurt friends here is not even funny,so you got tire of get your ass handed to you and now you open another troll account...lol

Once again the argument you pull about developers been lazy basically show that you are lying,when you say the PS4 is more capable you are denying your own argument,so if the PS4 is more capable you should know that there is a point were the xbox one can't fallow the PS4 and that some sacrifices have to be made in order for the xbox one to keep up.

Forza 5 meta is because of Coins / micro transactions. Read the Digital foundry review. Sprite modeled crowds = not next gen. Ok buddy. Lets forget the laser modeled tracks. New physics engine . Yeah that shit doesn't count....

Yes. Actually owning the products you try to debate, without using second hand knowledge is important. They might be liars like you. Just a heads up for future reference. Here's a head scratcher for you. The guys that are doing the comparing might actually have both consoles. That's a shocker isn't it!

Show me a MGS title that is not optimized on a Japanese platform?

Downplaying the PS4. Cheerleading for Microsoft. See only a fanboy would see it that way. I'm defending the games fanboy.

There will always be a gap in multiplats, most likely 900p - 1080p difference with similar frame rates. Due to the PS4 having a better GPU.

If you think that will have any impact outside of these forums your an idiot fanboy.

Exclusive games, console price, loyalty, unique experiences, multiplayer network (for those that play online), controller and personal requirements (such a family who play) are what counts. We all know this so why fight over this resolution shit.

@tormentos: I have been around here since the OLD, old forums. When Jeff was still the editor in chief. Giantbomb. <---These guys. Let Jeff and the crew know how ya feel. Enlighten them with your grace.

I told ya earlier in the other UK thread. Take your show on the road.

Debate these guys with your knowledge. Let me know how that works out for you?

Head over to anadtech, Spread the truth!

Yeah sure you have Blackace...lol

Now take your sorry ass damage control and save it,you were proven wrong fanboy,now do you have any more sad excuses to justify the xbox one poor performance.?

Prove the guys wrong I posted. I want to see the insta-ban in action. You might break 5-6 posts.

You have proved me wrong? Only in your mind could that happen.

See, if your mind worked right you might be able to afford the consoles. To legitimately debate them. Sorry I have to be the one to point this out for you.

They're not going to accept that their console is weaker. They didn't accept that the PS3 outsold the 360 either.

Mean while in other news, PS4 owners continue to wait for greatness!! Waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand waiting!!!!!!!

And still Microsoft is the only company that has triple-A rating, while Google and Apple don't have it. Haha you don't know anything about finances, or should I say, you know as much about finances as you know about consoles technical side.

Both systems are going to be bottlenecked by their CPU. they are using a mobile CPU (both PS4 and X1 have the same CPU) its by far the weakest part of both systems. And both companies know this, so they made designs around helping it out. PS4 does it with GPU compute, but by doing so, takes away some of the power of their better GPU. The X1 does it via an upclock, co-processors to take away some of the CPU tasks, and cloud computing. Should be interesting to see how it all plays out.

Mean while in other news, PS4 owners continue to wait for greatness!! Waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand waiting!!!!!!!

Omg, hahaha, what a fail. You think those are the only relevant numbers? You probably do, hahahaha, you think that is the way you measure the stability of a company, hahaha, you are so dumb.

http://www.streetinsider.com/Credit+Ratings/Microsoft+Corp+%28MSFT%29+One+of+Three+U.S.+Companies+Left+Rated+AAA+by+S%26P/9377071.html

Omg, hahaha, what a fail. You think those are the only relevant numbers? You probably do, hahahaha, you think that is the way you measure the stability of a company, hahaha, you are so dumb.

http://www.streetinsider.com/Credit+Ratings/Microsoft+Corp+%28MSFT%29+One+of+Three+U.S.+Companies+Left+Rated+AAA+by+S%26P/9377071.html

Omg, hahaha, what a fail. You think those are the only relevant numbers? You probably do, hahahaha, you think that is the way you measure the stability of a company, hahaha, you are so dumb.

http://www.streetinsider.com/Credit+Ratings/Microsoft+Corp+%28MSFT%29+One+of+Three+U.S.+Companies+Left+Rated+AAA+by+S%26P/9377071.html

your best bet is to be like me and not every replay to him. no matter how wrong he is, he'll copy and paste something he doesn't understand to try and fit his sony is the best agenda. If he didn't have google he wouldn't even be able to from a post

But they just had Infamous...

What's next on the list for the X1?

And what was the last?

Titanfall?

lolz

I see the weekly mensa meeting is finally happening.

Both systems are going to be bottlenecked by their CPU. they are using a mobile CPU (both PS4 and X1 have the same CPU) its by far the weakest part of both systems. And both companies know this, so they made designs around helping it out. PS4 does it with GPU compute, but by doing so, takes away some of the power of their better GPU. The X1 does it via an upclock, co-processors to take away some of the CPU tasks, and cloud computing. Should be interesting to see how it all plays out.

That because Apple phones use powerful GPU,it started with the 4S,because the iphone 4 one,was basically the same of the 3s,after the Iphone 4 Apple started to pack in stronger GPU,their OS is pretty good,and Apple have always been know for stable OS unlike MS in this case.

I remember when i bough my Galaxy S1,people actually believe the Iphone 4 was stronger,when in reality the GalaxyS 1 ran circles around the Iphone 4,and it was do to developers not supporting top end phones because most phones out there were low spec android,while Apple benefit from having few models,and basically close specs between hardware,when the 4S landed all change because they chose a stronger GPU,and believe it or not this phones use GPU accelerated apps,trough compute which is the reason why Apple phones ran so good,the Iphone 4 was crap compare to my galaxy s1 running test because the GPU in the S1 outclass the one of the iphone 4.

Look at Apple processors now,even that they don't have tons of CPU core one thing is consistent a good GPU.

So is not software optimization alone,is powerful hardware in Apple hands which isn't the same as on MS hand,and sony has been know to push hardware to its very limits even on hardware that was a nightmare to develop for so i don't think MS would beat them on that part.

The Iphone 5 was running an SGX543MP3 GPU with performance basically of that of the Ipad 3,so basically any app that is GPU accelerated will perform great because it had a great GPU for its time.

That second bold part is a joke,what the hell do you think will happen when you use the extra 50% power for compute.?

So you think developers will waste 50% power in something that will yield no benefits.?

So running the extra power for compute will not make the PS4 kick the living crap out of the PS4 in Physics and anything having to do with compute resources.?

If you use 600Gflosp for compute from where in hell you will pull from on the xbox one to level the play field,the problem with using the extra power for compute is that it is power that still is use.

1200 Gflops for graphics + 640 Gflops for compute still are 1840Gflops of power,the xbox one has 1280Gflosp for graphics and compute,so if the xbox one use 640Gflops for compute to compensate that means it is left with 640Gflops for graphics vs the PS4 1200Gflops.

Is like you people didn't went to school the xbox one has 1280Gflosp for compute and graphics as well,what you do on PS4 you most compensate with something on xbox one,if you use 1280Gflops for graphics and nothing for compute yeah,the xbox one may have parity graphics wise with the PS4,but at the cost of physics and anything compute related,so we are talking here about crappy physics on xbox one vs incredible ones on PS4,some effects may also take a hit on xbox one for the lack of compute use.

Basically your argument is that the PS4 will use the extra 50% for compute but some how that mean nothings because well compute does nothing apparently in your eyes,Physics run on compute run faster and better with less resources than on the CPU,so if the PS4 uses GPU compute for Physics the xbox one has nothing to counter that Jaguar is no match what so ever for compute on GCN for physics,oh and that would also mean the xbox one would have to use its CPU resources for Physics,that jaguar doesn't reach even 200Gflops,and has to do other task as well.

Gear of war and Uncharted both are 720p,Gears is not 1080p.

That is funny because Sony beat MS this time on all angles,lets see the PS4 is smaller,doesn't have a power brick and is stronger,but not only that this time the PS4 is also easy to use because Sony didn't chose to put any cumbersome hardware like Cell,and actually make the PS4 without cheapen out like MS did,it was a matter of visions,MS had Kinect and TV in mind,sony more about games.MS basically fu** its own hardware in order to use cheap DDR3 and in order to also bundle Kinect.

Sony on the other hand was able to pack more inside that APU just because they chose the right type of memory,MS was out engineer which isn't hard sony is a hardware company after all before MS even existed as a company,and they have some nice coders and some of the best developers out there,which are use to work the hard way to get results unlike MS ones.

I don't see MS out doing sony software wise the PS4 tool are ahead already,and i am sure they will still be for the rest of the gen,after all sony coders don't have to focus on windows or any cross platform crap.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/613?vs=549

The 6670 doesn't have sh** on the 7850 let alone the PS4,that GPU is so crap even at 1680x1050 it can't run BF3 on high at 30FPS,just does 25 the 7850 does 61 FPS.

Is not even close,stop talking about things you don't know...lol 6670..