Mac vs PC!!!!!

Well macs are big and shiny so ma- THEY DUNT PLAY GAMES??! :o

pc ftw!

ps3wizard45

Agree, just bought a mac after having an XP based Inspiron, and a Vista based Inspiron, and now a new MacBook Pro. The MacBook is my favorite by faaaartmacscores91

Macs are PCs.

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

i dont even know where to begin so ill try at the beginning. Windows is a good OS, and for gaming Mac cant even remotely compete. ATM the best mac gaming computer is years behind, and PC's are already winning by currently controlling 90% of the marketshare. Basically if you want a mac you most likely think its cool, and then say you bought it cause its more secure when in reality there is nothing that makes a mac more secure compared to a Windows based PC.

Arnalion

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]Yes, and did you read Macs license agreement ?Makari

Sir, when your purchase OS X, you have agreed the the agreement. Even if you don't read... it's probably in the manual also.

[QUOTE="ps3wizard45"]

Well macs are big and shiny so ma- THEY DUNT PLAY GAMES??! :o

pc ftw!

DonPerian

In other words, you're using Windows OS on a MAC to play games because you can't really do it on your OS X.

With only SLI 8800GT you can max out Crysis on 3 screens?

Just looking at the prices on Macs make me laugh. The cheapest Mac goes for 1K. I can build a core i7 build for that much that would outperform the Mac in every single way. :lol:Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Arnalion"][QUOTE="Fizzman"]

i dont even know where to begin so ill try at the beginning. Windows is a good OS, and for gaming Mac cant even remotely compete. ATM the best mac gaming computer is years behind, and PC's are already winning by currently controlling 90% of the marketshare. Basically if you want a mac you most likely think its cool, and then say you bought it cause its more secure when in reality there is nothing that makes a mac more secure compared to a Windows based PC.

dchan01

Is stability your only requirement? There are hundreds of operating systems to choose from and many of them beats MS Windows in this part.
What about the hardware resources required?
Packed in software?
Security?

Well I'm actually looking forward to Windows 7 (skipped Vista), since I game a little. The only reason I use Windows is because of the games. Since Microsoft owns DirectX (more importantly Direct3D) and 95% of the PC games utilizes it, we're stuck with Windows.

When you buy a Mac you buy it for the OS and (maybe) for the design. You don't buy it because of the hardware.

I like the freedom of the PC without MS's restrictions. Linux based PC's are my cup of tea.mattbbpl

Just looking at the prices on Macs make me laugh. The cheapest Mac goes for 1K. I can build a core i7 build for that much that would outperform the Mac in every single way. :lol:Stevo_the_gamer

Im a PC and I Have Games .................. Im a Mac and I have No Game .. thee end.Nonstop-Madness

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Just looking at the prices on Macs make me laugh. The cheapest Mac goes for 1K. I can build a core i7 build for that much that would outperform the Mac in every single way. :lol:clone01

Lol Macs. I don't even wanna start on how much of a ripoff they are...

Lol Macs. I don't even wanna start on how much of a ripoff they are...

Aljosa23

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Lol Macs. I don't even wanna start on how much of a ripoff they are...

mitu123

Clone says Mac has the "bang for the buck". Ya'know, because this Mac is definitely worth $1K.

• 2.0 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
• 2GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
• 120GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
• SuperDrive 8x

Woo hoo! I'm definitely getting my money's worth!

:lol: :P

Clone says Mac has the "bang for the buck". Ya'know, because Mac is definitely worth $1K.

• 2.0 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
• 2GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
• 120GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
• SuperDrive 8x

Woo hoo! I'm definitely getting my money's worth!

:lol:

Stevo_the_gamer

Macs do jack up their prices to the heavens. It's more of a name thing than the actual specs. Very sad, because the OS isn't even bad.

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Lol Macs. I don't even wanna start on how much of a ripoff they are...

Stevo_the_gamer

Clone says Mac has the "bang for the buck". Ya'know, because this Mac is definitely worth $1K.

• 2.0 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
• 2GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
• 120GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
• SuperDrive 8x

Woo hoo! I'm definitely getting my money's worth!

:lol:

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Just looking at the prices on Macs make me laugh. The cheapest Mac goes for 1K. I can build a core i7 build for that much that would outperform the Mac in every single way. :lol:Stevo_the_gamer

Macs are worthless, PC FTW!

mitu123

Oh I'll be able to run Crysis at 50fps with 16xAA on Very High at 1080p with those specs! :D

Macs do jack up their prices to the heavens. It's more of a name thing than the actual specs. Very sad, because the OS isn't even bad.

Aljosa23

What the heck, that computer is garbage and it cost that much, my near $800 dollar PC has specs that destroy that. Overpriced junk.mitu123

lol. Yet people still buy them at those prices. Eek.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Macs are worthless, PC FTW!

rojar134

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="clone01"] well, it depends on what you want. for gaming, you're certainly correct. but for many applications, video production in particular, it actually is a better bang for the buck to go mac.clone01

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]No, it wouldn't be. That 1K Mac would get crushed against the i7 build. :|

well, of course you're right Stevo. i forgot. you're always right. and when you're not, you just tell on the principal till you are.clone01

Here, have these...

[QUOTE="DonPerian"][QUOTE="ps3wizard45"]

Well macs are big and shiny so ma- THEY DUNT PLAY GAMES??! :o

pc ftw!

Bebi_vegeta

In other words, you're using Windows OS on a MAC to play games because you can't really do it on your OS X.

With only SLI 8800GT you can max out Crysis on 3 screens?

[QUOTE="dchan01"][QUOTE="Arnalion"] Why is Windows a good OS?Arnalion

Is stability your only requirement? There are hundreds of operating systems to choose from and many of them beats MS Windows in this part.
What about the hardware resources required?
Packed in software?
Security?

Well I'm actually looking forward to Windows 7 (skipped Vista), since I game a little. The only reason I use Windows is because of the games. Since Microsoft owns DirectX (more importantly Direct3D) and 95% of the PC games utilizes it, we're stuck with Windows.

When you buy a Mac you buy it for the OS and (maybe) for the design. You don't buy it because of the hardware.

I want it to use as little hardware resources as possible. (preferably function over form at every turn) I don't want transparency effects, and crazy morphing windows and things. I just want the OS to get out of the way and allow me to navigate around my hard drive as quickly and unobtrusively as possible. I want as little packed in software as possible. I don't need my OS developer telling me what software I want/need. I want little to no security. Let me set up my own defenses. There is a reason why my Windows 7 PC is going to look like NT to the casual observer.

PC are good for gaming and business things like word, excel, and other business uses. macs are great for graphic design, web design, video editing. really all i want a mac for is that. macs are expensive piece of a computer. u can get a PC for like $800 and the same specs with a mac and it would be like $1,500. they are expensive computers. iam2green

Gaming, PC > Mac

Everything else, PC>Mac

Tauruslink

I have two of them and just recently got more - ATI 4870 x2.

DonPerian

macs are overpriced pretty boxes. all they have over pcs is final cut pro, pcs are better in every other way. imprezawrx500

[QUOTE="DonPerian"]I have two of them and just recently got more - ATI 4870 x2.

NYHoustonman

It's still a Macintosh computer running Windows.

Point being, there's no difference between a Mac and a PC (other than pricing, which for some, including me, is a non-issue).

The difference is between OS X and Windows. In which case, it all depends on which you prefer.

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]macs are overpriced pretty boxes. all they have over pcs is final cut pro, pcs are better in every other way. noswear

[QUOTE="noswear"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]macs are overpriced pretty boxes. all they have over pcs is final cut pro, pcs are better in every other way. clone01

I disagree to some extent. This link shows that most major films use some form of Avid product during production, while FCP's Wikipedia article shows that its use in film is limited. FCP does, on the other hand, dominate in production of television commercials.

[QUOTE="Tauruslink"]

Gaming, PC > Mac

Everything else, PC>Mac

imprezawrx500

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="noswear"] On this point, many people prefer Avid over Final Cut. This is mostly up to preference, but PCs are no slouch in the video editing field.noswear

I disagree to some extent. This link shows that most major films use some form of Avid product during production, while FCP's Wikipedia article shows that its use in film is limited. FCP does, on the other hand, dominate in production of television commercials.

[QUOTE="noswear"]

[QUOTE="clone01"] true, but right now the industry is leaning towards final cut. avid is currently struggling to keep up.DonPerian

I disagree to some extent. This link shows that most major films use some form of Avid product during production, while FCP's Wikipedia article shows that its use in film is limited. FCP does, on the other hand, dominate in production of television commercials.

[QUOTE="DonPerian"][QUOTE="noswear"]

I disagree to some extent. This link shows that most major films use some form of Avid product during production, while FCP's Wikipedia article shows that its use in film is limited. FCP does, on the other hand, dominate in production of television commercials.

noswear

I don't think anyone here thinks that. Apple has become the unofficial industry standard mostly through relations with studios and, believe it or not, offering amazing deals. Although, one hugely (is that even a word?) underrated reason is the stability of the OS compared to Windows. Like I said before, when your work is worth more than the machine it's stored on, it's worth it to get a Mac (excluding server housing). That is the one and only reason I have a Macbook Pro right now. For my photo work on location, I just cannot risk taking my HP laptop with me.

PC's have definitely become more of a competitor in the creative department. But that wasn't the case 10 years ago. The two different systems are becoming more identical by the year. And while that might seem to indicate the unjustified price hike for Apple, it doesn't mean it's wrong to spend that kind of money for such a product.

Even if your typical computer illiterate individual wants to get an Apple to feel cool - that reason in and of itself is enough to justify a purchase for him since clearly, he has the money to do so.

Again, the bottom line is personal preference.

I prefer both. I game using Windows on a Mac. I design using OS X on a Mac. I surf using Windows on a PC. And sometimes I vary it up just because I want to. (I have CoD4 on Mac, aha).

[QUOTE="noswear"][QUOTE="DonPerian"] Working in the industry, I can tell you that both are used extensively. You rarely see any finished project go through one video editing software.DonPerian

I don't think anyone here thinks that. Apple has become the unofficial industry standard mostly through relations with studios and, believe it or not, offering amazing deals. Although, one hugely (is that even a word?) underrated reason is the stability of the OS compared to Windows. Like I said before, when your work is worth more than the machine it's stored on, it's worth it to get a Mac (excluding server housing). That is the one and only reason I have a Macbook Pro right now. For my photo work on location, I just cannot risk taking my HP laptop with me.

PC's have definitely become more of a competitor in the creative department. But that wasn't the case 10 years ago. The two different systems are becoming more identical by the year. And while that might seem to indicate the unjustified price hike for Apple, it doesn't mean it's wrong to spend that kind of money for such a product.

Even if your typical computer illiterate individual wants to get an Apple to feel cool - that reason in and of itself is enough to justify a purchase for him since clearly, he has the money to do so.

Again, the bottom line is personal preference.

I prefer both. I game using Windows on a Mac. I design using OS X on a Mac. I surf using Windows on a PC. And sometimes I vary it up just because I want to. (I have CoD4 on Mac, aha).

pc.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="DonPerian"] Actually, I play games occasionally on my Mac using Bootcamp. It kills gaming on my PC's (dinky HP laptop and ancient Sony desktop). I can run Crysis nearly maxed out on 3 screens.DonPerian

In other words, you're using Windows OS on a MAC to play games because you can't really do it on your OS X.

With only SLI 8800GT you can max out Crysis on 3 screens?

Hence why I said SLI... Which will not max out the game at 1080p...

[QUOTE="noswear"][QUOTE="DonPerian"] Working in the industry, I can tell you that both are used extensively. You rarely see any finished project go through one video editing software.DonPerian

I don't think anyone here thinks that. Apple has become the unofficial industry standard mostly through relations with studios and, believe it or not, offering amazing deals. Although, one hugely (is that even a word?) underrated reason is the stability of the OS compared to Windows. Like I said before, when your work is worth more than the machine it's stored on, it's worth it to get a Mac (excluding server housing). That is the one and only reason I have a Macbook Pro right now. For my photo work on location, I just cannot risk taking my HP laptop with me.

PC's have definitely become more of a competitor in the creative department. But that wasn't the case 10 years ago. The two different systems are becoming more identical by the year. And while that might seem to indicate the unjustified price hike for Apple, it doesn't mean it's wrong to spend that kind of money for such a product.

Even if your typical computer illiterate individual wants to get an Apple to feel cool - that reason in and of itself is enough to justify a purchase for him since clearly, he has the money to do so.

Again, the bottom line is personal preference.

I prefer both. I game using Windows on a Mac. I design using OS X on a Mac. I surf using Windows on a PC. And sometimes I vary it up just because I want to. (I have CoD4 on Mac, aha).

[QUOTE="DonPerian"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

In other words, you're using Windows OS on a MAC to play games because you can't really do it on your OS X.

With only SLI 8800GT you can max out Crysis on 3 screens?

Bebi_vegeta

Hence why I said SLI... Which will not max out the game at 1080p...

nearly maxed =/= maxed out.

Also, that's 1.5 gb's of video RAM all together, with one card dedicated to each monitor. Seems more than adequate if you ask me.. Then again, gaming on the PC is not my forte, so I may be the one mistaken. All I know is when I can, I play Crysis beautifully. I just don't because I rarely boot into Windows on my Mac. I have PC's for that (using Windows, that is - not gaming).

EDIT: And since we're on the topic of cards, NVIDIA just announced a couple days ago a new high-end card for the Mac Pro. For $1,800, you get the Quadro FX 4800 with 1.5gbs of ram. Probably not suited for gaming, and even overkill for photo and low-budget video work. I'm thinking this will be suitable for people more along the lines of 3D rendering, architecture, medicine, etc. They apparently optimized it for Bootcamp as well.

Hmm, I do have one more slot left open in my machine..

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="DonPerian"] I have two of them and just recently got more - ATI 4870 x2.

DonPerian

Hence why I said SLI... Which will not max out the game at 1080p...

nearly maxed =/= maxed out.

Also, that's 1.5 gb's of video RAM all together, with one card dedicated to each monitor. Seems more than adequate if you ask me.. Then again, gaming on the PC is not my forte, so I may be the one mistaken. All I know is when I can, I play Crysis beautifully. I just don't because I rarely boot into Windows on my Mac. I have PC's for that (using Windows, that is - not gaming).

EDIT: And since we're on the topic of cards, NVIDIA just announced a couple days ago a new high-end card for the Mac Pro. For $1,800, you get the Quadro FX 4800 with 1.5gbs of ram. Probably not suited for gaming, and even overkill for photo and low-budget video work. I'm thinking this will be suitable for people more along the lines of 3D rendering, architecture, medicine, etc. They apparently optimized it for Bootcamp as well.

Hmm, I do have one more slot left open in my machine..

[QUOTE="DonPerian"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Hence why I said SLI... Which will not max out the game at 1080p...

imprezawrx500

nearly maxed =/= maxed out.

Also, that's 1.5 gb's of video RAM all together, with one card dedicated to each monitor. Seems more than adequate if you ask me.. Then again, gaming on the PC is not my forte, so I may be the one mistaken. All I know is when I can, I play Crysis beautifully. I just don't because I rarely boot into Windows on my Mac. I have PC's for that (using Windows, that is - not gaming).

EDIT: And since we're on the topic of cards, NVIDIA just announced a couple days ago a new high-end card for the Mac Pro. For $1,800, you get the Quadro FX 4800 with 1.5gbs of ram. Probably not suited for gaming, and even overkill for photo and low-budget video work. I'm thinking this will be suitable for people more along the lines of 3D rendering, architecture, medicine, etc. They apparently optimized it for Bootcamp as well.

Hmm, I do have one more slot left open in my machine..

[QUOTE="Makari"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]Yes, and did you read Macs license agreement ?Bebi_vegeta

Sir, when your purchase OS X, you have agreed the the agreement. Even if you don't read... it's probably in the manual also.