Madden 08, NCAA 08 & All Pro 2k8 = 60 FPS on 360. PS3 = 30 FPS! PWNED!!!!!!!

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#1 LuvGaming
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We have confirmed the Xbox 360 versions of Madden NFL 08 (August), All-Pro Football 2K8 (July), and NCAA Football 08 (July) will run at 60 frames per second, whereas the PS3 editions are locked at just 30fps. In the simplest of terms, this means that the 360 versions will run smoother and faster, and you'll have an easier time noticing subtle animations.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3160709

As a PS3 owner, I'm personally bummed out over this news because I LOVE sports games. Maybe it's time for me to trade in my PS3 for an Elite....???

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#2 asdasd
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This kinda bums me out. I was looking forward to picking up Madden on my PS3 this year because I dont wanna pay for live next year, but I guess EA made my decision for me..
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#3 X360PS3AMD05
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Telling me what i already knew, PS3 is harder to program for to get the same performance. Only games i expect to challenge the 360 in terms of graphics are exclusive where the devs really work hard to make it impressive.
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#4 Eltroz
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Glad I have a 360. Seems more multiplats better on 360 and this time it is a big one. Madden is a huge seller.

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#5 tazzydnc
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what is with ps3?  As a 360 owner it amazes me how an extra year of developement time has not resulted in a more powerful console thusfar.  Heck in most cases (like this) ps3 can't even match 360.  I had a ps2 last gen and it looks like I picked a good time to jump ship.  I really hope sony gets their act together :(
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#6 GatoFeo
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Wow. This made my day. :(

I'am going to sleep.

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#7 DementedDragon
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And yet games like NGS can do 1080p at 60FPS; I guess every developer learns at their own pace.
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#8 asdasd
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Just a question. Was Madden 07 on 360 30 fps? If it was, then I guess I can deal with it on PS3. I have to wait to see the difference though.
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#9 Redgarl
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Isn't it because 1080p only got 30 fps?
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#10 Forza_2
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I would love to know the reason from EA.
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#11 purplemidgets
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What's got two thumbs and doesn't give a crap?

Bob Kelso, haven't we met?

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#12 lucas_kelly
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Well thats gotta suck for PS3 owners.
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#13 Grive
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Isn't it because 1080p only got 30 fps?Redgarl

I don't believe they'd make different resolutions for the 360 and PS3, it makes very little sense to do so.

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#14 Forza_2
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What's got two thumbs and doesn't give a crap?

purplemidgets

Then why post ?

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#15 Eltroz
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I would love to know the reason from EA.Forza_2
They gave a comment and its in the article. here it is though

We want to make sure that we give the best experience we can on each platform. In designing a game, there are all sorts of tradeoffs that include frame rate, visuals, features, AI, etc. Football is an extremely challenging sport to replicate because of the number of people on the field, their interaction, and the scope of the environments. As you can see, every company making a football game this year made a decision that the best experience for the Xbox 360 included 60fps whereas the best experience for the PS3 was 30fps. We certainly believe that both the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions are our football products are outstanding experiences and recommend that each gamer look at the entire experience, not just one aspect. We think they'll be very happy no matter which version of the game they play."

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#16 purplemidgets
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[QUOTE="purplemidgets"]

What's got two thumbs and doesn't give a crap?

Forza_2

Then why post ?

Because this is an internet forum, and I'm voicing my opinion on that topic.

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#17 volcus
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Maybe its because of the trouble they're having with the complicated PS3 hardware. And if the 360 version is the lead SKU, which it probably is than they will have even more problems when porting over programming to the PS3 version
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#18 Forza_2
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As you can see, every company making a football game this year made a decision that the best experience for the Xbox 360 included 60fps whereas the best experience for the PS3 was 30fps.Eltroz

I didn't know that...

Anyway, he really didn't say anything and it's easy to understand why.

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#19 Forza_2
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Because this is an internet forum, and I'm voicing my opinion on that topic.

purplemidgets

Try to be on-topic next time.

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#20 purplemidgets
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[QUOTE="purplemidgets"]

Because this is an internet forum, and I'm voicing my opinion on that topic.

Forza_2

Try to be on-topic next time.

I was on topic.

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#21 danielsmith2020
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Glad I have a 360. Seems more multiplats better on 360 and this time it is a big one. Madden is a huge seller.

Eltroz

In america that is true but the rest of the world couldn't care less about the next madden.

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#22 Eltroz
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For all the PS3 users that bought the PS3 for FF and MGS or another title I hope for your sake that they are very good. Cause it seems you paid for the console that cost the most but does not perform the best. Almost every single multiplat looks better on the 360. Some of them just a little better while others a lot better. 360 users paid $200 less put get to play the better versions of multiplats.
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#23 Eltroz
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[QUOTE="Eltroz"]

Glad I have a 360. Seems more multiplats better on 360 and this time it is a big one. Madden is a huge seller.

danielsmith2020

In america that is true but the rest of the world couldn't care less about the next madden.

Does that change the fact that madden is a huge seller? no, it still sells a ton of copies.
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#24 Forza_2
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I was on topic.

purplemidgets

Really ? Then let me report you and see what happens.

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#25 rued2k6
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wow, this is a letdown. especially since the 360 version already looked sluggish. :cry:
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PS3 has a weak GPU, live with it.
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#27 Nugtoka
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As a PS3 owner, I'm personally bummed out over this news because I LOVE sports games. Maybe it's time for me to trade in my PS3 for an Elite....???

LuvGaming

Sounds like the first step in your recovery from Mad Cows Disease

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#28 purplemidgets
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More on topic maybe?

Ok, simple:

Developers have no desire spending time and resources recoding for a PS3 version, which is required.


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#29 cronus233
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Wow just wow.:|
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#30 pimperjones
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More on topic maybe?

Ok, simple:

Developers have no desire spending time and resources recoding for a PS3 version, which is required.


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They are recoding the games otherwise the games won't even run. The programmers are finding it hard to get the same games to run on a two different GPUs with one being much weaker than the other. You'll notice that most performance issues are directly graphics relately meaning the RSX can't push the same frame rates at the same texture resolution without resorting to the CELL. No developer is going to start from scratch just so they can squeeze out those extra frame rates through the CELL when the RSX should be doing it in the first place.

Really it's quite absurd in spending billions on making the PS3 the most powerful system, Sony neglected the Graphics Card which is always the most crucial on all consoles.

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#31 kenmid
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Just a question. Was Madden 07 on 360 30 fps? If it was, then I guess I can deal with it on PS3. I have to wait to see the difference though.asdasd

yep

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#32 The_Game21x
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Meh. Doesn't affect me much. I had no plans on buying any of those games for either system.

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#33 lowe0
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[QUOTE="Eltroz"]

Glad I have a 360. Seems more multiplats better on 360 and this time it is a big one. Madden is a huge seller.

danielsmith2020

In america that is true but the rest of the world couldn't care less about the next madden.


Why is it that when only Americans like a game, it's not important, but everyone gets all hot and bothered about whether the Japanese like something?
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#34 purplemidgets
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They are recoding the games otherwise the games won't even run. The programmers are finding it hard to get the same games to run on a two different GPUs with one being much weaker than the other. You'll notice that most performance issues are directly graphics relately meaning the RSX can't push the same frame rates at the same texture resolution without resorting to the CELL. No developer is going to start from scratch just so they can squeeze out those extra frame rates through the CELL when the RSX should be doing it in the first place.

Really it's quite absurd in spending billions on making the PS3 the most powerful system, Sony neglected the Graphics Card which is always the most crucial on all consoles.

pimperjones

Don't tell me something I already know.

And you said the same thing I did in a more round-about way. They are using their already developed game on 360 as the basis for the PS3 version. They don't completely retool the game for the PS3.

Which is what is required.

If Madden can run 60fps on 360, it can run at 60fps on PS3. End of story.

The developers have no desire the make it happen, which is unfortunate.

But at the end of the day, it's football games, and I couldn't give less ****

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#35 pimperjones
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[QUOTE="pimperjones"]

They are recoding the games otherwise the games won't even run. The programmers are finding it hard to get the same games to run on a two different GPUs with one being much weaker than the other. You'll notice that most performance issues are directly graphics relately meaning the RSX can't push the same frame rates at the same texture resolution without resorting to the CELL. No developer is going to start from scratch just so they can squeeze out those extra frame rates through the CELL when the RSX should be doing it in the first place.

Really it's quite absurd in spending billions on making the PS3 the most powerful system, Sony neglected the Graphics Card which is always the most crucial on all consoles.

purplemidgets

Don't tell me something I already know.

And you said the same thing I did in a more round-about way. They are using their already developed game on 360 as the basis for the PS3 version. They don't completely retool the game for the PS3.

Which is what is required.

If Madden can run 60fps on 360, it can run at 60fps on PS3. End of story.

The developers have no desire the make it happen, which is unfortunate.

But at the end of the day, it's football games, and I couldn't give less ****

Why on Earth would they any developer have to be made to retool a game from scratch, historically speaking all games are made once and them ported to each console with each console showing it's strength and weaknesses. Thats how all multiplats have been made since the beginning of gaming. Why all of sudden the mighty PS3 should become the first exception that all devs need to bow and start building games from scratch on? It makes no sense from a developers stand point to have to spend extra millions just so that they can get CPU to do GPU work. If the PS3 had the same ATI GPU that the the 360 has then really we wouldn't have this issue and devs won't have to retool games just so they can perform well on the PS3.

It's like the whole world is blaming poor performance on devs, when really they are doing the exact same job that they've been doing since the 8 bit era. The devs aren't lazy they are held by deadlines and budget restraints and don't have the time or money to get some fancy CPU to perform as a GPU.

Lets face it Sony screwed up, not the devs.

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#36 tree-branch
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360 wins again

sersioly this sytem is unstoppable.

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#37 LuvGaming
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360 wins again

sersioly this sytem is unstoppable.

tree-branch
E3 will be Sony's true test.
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#38 Funkyhamster
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What? There is no excuse for any game, much less sports games that don't have that great graphics anyways, to run at only 30fps. 30fps is looking more and more ugly these days.
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#39 DaysAirlines
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30 FPS on the PS3 = 60 FPS on the 360.
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#40 topcatyo
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Just a question. Was Madden 07 on 360 30 fps? If it was, then I guess I can deal with it on PS3. I have to wait to see the difference though.asdasd

I believe so.

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#41 ReverseCycology
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When it comes to multiplats this gen, 360 > PS3 always. Sony will just have to rely on their own games. I hope it delivers, if not, oh well.

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#42 Ibacai
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I've dealt with 30fps before so I'll deal with it again. Doesn't mean I'm not upset, just that I'll live.
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#43 ultima-flare
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How they heck can they not get this garbage to run 60fps? NGS runs 60fps and 1080p and looks leagues ahead. Lazy(or time constrained) devs :evil:.


Seriously, this looks like it could be done on ps2 with 60fps.

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#44 purplemidgets
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Why on Earth would they any developer have to be made to retool a game from scratch, historically speaking all games are made once and them ported to each console with each console showing it's strength and weaknesses.

Lets face it Sony screwed up, not the devs.

pimperjones

I WOULD LIKE YOU TO MEET MR. POINT. I'M SURPRISED HE'S SLIPPED UNDER YOUR RADAR!

Also, Sony screwed up because they have different hardware than the 360? What if developers jumped on the PS3 bandwagon and make games on that instead? Would that mean MS screwed up because they didn't copy Sony's hardware design?

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#45 Heil68
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30 FPS on the PS3 = 60 FPS on the 360.DaysAirlines
mmm ok, if it was other way around, I'm sure you would have same view. :roll:
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#46 pimperjones
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[QUOTE="pimperjones"]

Why on Earth would they any developer have to be made to retool a game from scratch, historically speaking all games are made once and them ported to each console with each console showing it's strength and weaknesses.

Lets face it Sony screwed up, not the devs.

purplemidgets

I WOULD LIKE YOU TO MEET MR. POINT. I'M SURPRISED HE'S SLIPPED UNDER YOUR RADAR!

Also, Sony screwed up because they have different hardware than the 360? What if developers jumped on the PS3 bandwagon and make games on that instead? Would that mean MS screwed up because they didn't copy Sony's hardware design?

It has nothing to do with different hardware RSX is WEAKER than the Xenos 360. Different hardware has nothing to do with it. What part of GPU and WEAKER don't you understand.

Different hardware yes but even different hardware have classes, Nvidia and ATI both make GPUs with virtually identical performances. The problem is the RSX is a slower GPU than the Xenos, which is why Rainbow Six has lower texture, Splinter Cell has lower frame rate and no AA and so on and so fourth.

If both the PS3 and Xbox had GPU in the same class then there is no reason for any game to have lower frame rates or lower textures. Thats my POINT.

It has nothing to do with who's bandwagon the devs are on, thats just fanboy nonsense. The devs always wanna make the games look and run at it's optimal capability within the budget range.

Take a game like Virtua Fighter 5 the game was made on the PS3 and runs like butter, does that mean it's have lower textures and lower frame rate on the Xbox 360. NO because the Xbox 360's graphical core can handle it. Thats the point.

The RSX can't handle the same games the Xbox can and only via the CELL can it manage the same task which is not very practicle at this point in a conole's life span. Maybe in 5 years but not now.

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#47 obi_kenobi24
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sucks for PS3 owners

Glad I have a 360

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#48 Timstuff
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Casuals won't know the difference, and they're the ones who these games are for. I don't buy sports games so I don't care, honestly.
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#49 SergeantSnitch
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If this is seriuosly true, it's 360 all the way. I really like the PS3 controller but at this point, superior Madden and DLC for GTAIV means 360 for me. **** Sony for not caring about this, Madden is a HUGE seller in North America.
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#50 Timstuff
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I hope it delivers, if not, oh well.ReverseCycology

We all know you despise the PS3 and get a rush whenever you read bad news regarding it. You can drop the charade.