Madden 08, NCAA 08 & All Pro 2k8 = 60 FPS on 360. PS3 = 30 FPS! PWNED!!!!!!!

How they heck can they not get this garbage to run 60fps? NGS runs 60fps and 1080p and looks leagues ahead. Lazy(or time constrained) devs :evil:.

Seriously, this looks like it could be done on ps2 with 60fps.

ultima-flare

Tell me this is a PS2 screen...

[QUOTE="ultima-flare"]

How they heck can they not get this garbage to run 60fps? NGS runs 60fps and 1080p and looks leagues ahead. Lazy(or time constrained) devs :evil:.

Seriously, this looks like it could be done on ps2 with 60fps.

aznfool07

Tell me this is a PS2 screen...

360 version of All-Pro 2K8

[QUOTE="purplemidgets"][QUOTE="pimperjones"]

They are recoding the games otherwise the games won't even run. The programmers are finding it hard to get the same games to run on a two different GPUs with one being much weaker than the other. You'll notice that most performance issues are directly graphics relately meaning the RSX can't push the same frame rates at the same texture resolution without resorting to the CELL. No developer is going to start from scratch just so they can squeeze out those extra frame rates through the CELL when the RSX should be doing it in the first place.

Really it's quite absurd in spending billions on making the PS3 the most powerful system, Sony neglected the Graphics Card which is always the most crucial on all consoles.

pimperjones

Don't tell me something I already know.

And you said the same thing I did in a more round-about way. They are using their already developed game on 360 as the basis for the PS3 version. They don't completely retool the game for the PS3.

Which is what is required.

If Madden can run 60fps on 360, it can run at 60fps on PS3. End of story.

The developers have no desire the make it happen, which is unfortunate.

But at the end of the day, it's football games, and I couldn't give less ****

It's like the whole world is blaming poor performance on devs, when really they are doing the exact same job that they've been doing since the 8 bit era. The devs aren't lazy they are held by deadlines and budget restraints and don't have the time or money to get some fancy CPU to perform as a GPU.

Lets face it Sony screwed up, not the devs.

very well said :), i have to give you credit. you do make an outstanding arguement.

[QUOTE="aznfool07"][QUOTE="ultima-flare"]

How they heck can they not get this garbage to run 60fps? NGS runs 60fps and 1080p and looks leagues ahead. Lazy(or time constrained) devs :evil:.

Seriously, this looks like it could be done on ps2 with 60fps.

asdasd

Tell me this is a PS2 screen...

360 version of All-Pro 2K8

Ouch... They just stopped trying...

[QUOTE="pimperjones"][QUOTE="purplemidgets"][QUOTE="pimperjones"]

They are recoding the games otherwise the games won't even run. The programmers are finding it hard to get the same games to run on a two different GPUs with one being much weaker than the other. You'll notice that most performance issues are directly graphics relately meaning the RSX can't push the same frame rates at the same texture resolution without resorting to the CELL. No developer is going to start from scratch just so they can squeeze out those extra frame rates through the CELL when the RSX should be doing it in the first place.

Really it's quite absurd in spending billions on making the PS3 the most powerful system, Sony neglected the Graphics Card which is always the most crucial on all consoles.

littlestreakier

Don't tell me something I already know.

And you said the same thing I did in a more round-about way. They are using their already developed game on 360 as the basis for the PS3 version. They don't completely retool the game for the PS3.

Which is what is required.

If Madden can run 60fps on 360, it can run at 60fps on PS3. End of story.

The developers have no desire the make it happen, which is unfortunate.

But at the end of the day, it's football games, and I couldn't give less ****

It's like the whole world is blaming poor performance on devs, when really they are doing the exact same job that they've been doing since the 8 bit era. The devs aren't lazy they are held by deadlines and budget restraints and don't have the time or money to get some fancy CPU to perform as a GPU.

Lets face it Sony screwed up, not the devs.

very well said :), i have to give you credit. you do make an outstanding arguement.

[QUOTE="Forza_2"][QUOTE="purplemidgets"]

What's got two thumbs and doesn't give a crap?

purplemidgets

Then why post ?

Because this is an internet forum, and I'm voicing my opinion on that topic.

if u dont care then why post? not caring isnt an opinion its not caring...

pwnage approved.

pwnage approved.

NIN_013

I really don't think I can say anything else...:o

[QUOTE="Forza_2"]I would love to know the reason from EA.Eltroz

We want to make sure that we give the best experience we can on each platform. In designing a game, there are all sorts of tradeoffs that include frame rate, visuals, features, AI, etc. Football is an extremely challenging sport to replicate because of the number of people on the field, their interaction, and the scope of the environments. As you can see, every company making a football game this year made a decision that the best experience for the Xbox 360 included 60fps whereas the best experience for the PS3 was 30fps. We certainly believe that both the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions are our football products are outstanding experiences and recommend that each gamer look at the entire experience, not just one aspect. We think they'll be very happy no matter which version of the game they play."

Gosh Darn it; but I guess EA has a liability to its stockholders, why waste resources making ps3 go at 60fps when it wouldn't really help sales. They revamped the game so madden 07 owners will already be motivated to buy 08 regardless. Now EA will give us 60 reasons psec to buy 09 too. 2k and EA chose to push each other and compete over the much larger user base, pushing 360 football to 60 fps. It easier to make the 360 game, and thats where most of the nextgen sales will be; no brainer.

And yet games like NGS can do 1080p at 60FPS; I guess every developer learns at their own pace.DementedDragon

wow wth is going on? im still gonna get it for ps3. devs should try hardersnipe2004

wow wth is going on? im still gonna get it for ps3. devs should try hardersnipe2004

. both ps3 and 360 are lame.my pc runs games at 350FPS :)

[QUOTE="purplemidgets"][QUOTE="pimperjones"]

Why on Earth would they any developer have to be made to retool a game from scratch, historically speaking all games are made once and them ported to each console with each console showing it's strength and weaknesses.

Lets face it Sony screwed up, not the devs.

pimperjones

I WOULD LIKE YOU TO MEET MR. POINT. I'M SURPRISED HE'S SLIPPED UNDER YOUR RADAR!

Also, Sony screwed up because they have different hardware than the 360? What if developers jumped on the PS3 bandwagon and make games on that instead? Would that mean MS screwed up because they didn't copy Sony's hardware design?

Different hardware yes but even different hardware have classes, Nvidia and ATI both make GPUs with virtually identical performances. The problem is the RSX is a slower GPU than the Xenos, which is why Rainbow Six has lower texture, Splinter Cell has lower frame rate and no AA and so on and so fourth.

If both the PS3 and Xbox had GPU in the same class then there is no reason for any game to have lower frame rates or lower textures. Thats my POINT.

It has nothing to do with who's bandwagon the devs are on, thats just fanboy nonsense. The devs always wanna make the games look and run at it's optimal capability within the budget range.

Take a game like Virtua Fighter 5 the game was made on the PS3 and runs like butter, does that mean it's have lower textures and lower frame rate on the Xbox 360. NO because the Xbox 360's graphical core can handle it. Thats the point.

The RSX can't handle the same games the Xbox can and only via the CELL can it manage the same task which is not very practicle at this point in a conole's life span. Maybe in 5 years but not now.

The RSX vs r500 arguement has went back and forth - either way, even if the r500 is more powerful... running a game as 60FPS and another at 30fps is not a small difference. And there's nothing leading me to believe the difference between these GPU's is that extreme.

And with that in mind, Maddens core audience won't be bothered by this... I doubt 90% of them will ever notice the difference between the two.

[QUOTE="pimperjones"][QUOTE="purplemidgets"][QUOTE="pimperjones"]

Why on Earth would they any developer have to be made to retool a game from scratch, historically speaking all games are made once and them ported to each console with each console showing it's strength and weaknesses.

Lets face it Sony screwed up, not the devs.

Primevil702

I WOULD LIKE YOU TO MEET MR. POINT. I'M SURPRISED HE'S SLIPPED UNDER YOUR RADAR!

Also, Sony screwed up because they have different hardware than the 360? What if developers jumped on the PS3 bandwagon and make games on that instead? Would that mean MS screwed up because they didn't copy Sony's hardware design?

Different hardware yes but even different hardware have classes, Nvidia and ATI both make GPUs with virtually identical performances. The problem is the RSX is a slower GPU than the Xenos, which is why Rainbow Six has lower texture, Splinter Cell has lower frame rate and no AA and so on and so fourth.

If both the PS3 and Xbox had GPU in the same class then there is no reason for any game to have lower frame rates or lower textures. Thats my POINT.

It has nothing to do with who's bandwagon the devs are on, thats just fanboy nonsense. The devs always wanna make the games look and run at it's optimal capability within the budget range.

Take a game like Virtua Fighter 5 the game was made on the PS3 and runs like butter, does that mean it's have lower textures and lower frame rate on the Xbox 360. NO because the Xbox 360's graphical core can handle it. Thats the point.

The RSX can't handle the same games the Xbox can and only via the CELL can it manage the same task which is not very practicle at this point in a conole's life span. Maybe in 5 years but not now.

The RSX vs r500 arguement has went back and forth - either way, even if the r500 is more powerful... running a game as 60FPS and another at 30fps is not a small difference. And there's nothing leading me to believe the difference between these GPU's is that extreme.

And with that in mind, Maddens core audience won't be bothered by this... I doubt 90% of them will ever notice the difference between the two.

Lazy developers. PS3 already proved it can do 1080p @ 60 fps with NBA 07 and with the upcoming NG: Sigma.Latinoheat47

[QUOTE="Latinoheat47"]Lazy developers. PS3 already proved it can do 1080p @ 60 fps with NBA 07 and with the upcoming NG: Sigma.E M I N 3 M

Keyword there... "Making" PS3 the lead platform. Obviously that is not the case for the current iterations. Make no mistake, this is not the PS3's fault. The difference between 30fps and 60fps visually won't be all that bad, and most won't notice it I'm wiling to bet. On the hardware side however, the RSX and the r500 are in the same ball in terms of power - so I really don't see why there's such a difference on the PS3 side. Lets just hope this is cleared up before next year.

How they heck can they not get this garbage to run 60fps? NGS runs 60fps and 1080p and looks leagues ahead. Lazy(or time constrained) devs :evil:.

Seriously, this looks like it could be done on ps2 with 60fps.

ultima-flare

This bites. As a PS3 owner, I was really looking forward to Madden this year. The past "next-gen" installments never looked that great but this year was supposed to be the break out year for Madden. Now the PS3 is, once again, getting an inferior product. Amazing Sony didn't extend a helping hand to EA on this. Madden is a big seller every year. If I were making my decision on which console to buy based on this, I'd have to choose 360.CyanX73

this just shows that GPU > CPU in terms of graphics processingprimetime2121

PS3 will never have better graphics than Xbox 360. Its Xenos is much more powerful than RSX and Cell.

And yet games like NGS can do 1080p at 60FPS; I guess every developer learns at their own pace.DementedDragon

this FTW!

[QUOTE="DementedDragon"]And yet games like NGS can do 1080p at 60FPS; I guess every developer learns at their own pace.ngoniko

this FTW!

I'm sorry but 360's controller sucks for sports games. So if gameplay is the same I'll go with the ps3 version with free online.

I'm sorry but 360's controller sucks for sports games. So if gameplay is the same I'll go with the ps3 version with free online, & 30 fps

anklebreakr

btw how on earth do you go about saying the 360 controller is bad for sports game, LOL

BS they just want o ensure their sales on 360 by pretty much making it known to people that they have better framerates on the 360 so you might as well buy that. Also you missed the part where it says all the games from EA has had a years head start on 360. As for All Pro I think they can make the framerate better, NBA 2K7 still turned out alright on PS3 but I doubt they got that many sales so they also have a reason to make it known they made the 360 verison better.

Like the guys who deved NGS, LAZY DEVS SHOULD JUST GET OUT THE GAME and let more inspired people do their thing. I can't remember when devs used to come out and say stuff like this, Ubisoft never told anybody their PS2 and GC ports sucked they just put them out and they got sales regardless.

[QUOTE="danielsmith2020"][QUOTE="Eltroz"]

Glad I have a 360. Seems more multiplats better on 360 and this time it is a big one. Madden is a huge seller.

Eltroz

In america that is true but the rest of the world couldn't care less about the next madden.

Football is the best sport on Earth,

The rest of the world is just light years behind.

Edit: I play all sport games, and Football takes the most skillz to play.

Glad I have a 360. Seems more multiplats better on 360 and this time it is a big one. Madden is a huge seller.

Eltroz

I can't remember when devs used to come out and say stuff like this, Ubisoft never told anybody their PS2 and GC ports sucked they just put them out and they got sales regardless.
Anoch20

[QUOTE="ultima-flare"]

How they heck can they not get this garbage to run 60fps? NGS runs 60fps and 1080p and looks leagues ahead. Lazy(or time constrained) devs :evil:.

Seriously, this looks like it could be done on ps2 with 60fps.

rued2k6

lol for a second i thought all pro football 2k8 was going to the wii

[QUOTE="anklebreakr"]

I'm sorry but 360's controller sucks for sports games. So if gameplay is the same I'll go with the ps3 version with free online, & 30 fps

TheOwnerOner

btw how on earth do you go about saying the 360 controller is bad for sports game, LOL

I don't really careif it's 120fps if controlling my players is a pain. 360 controllerare badfor sports games cause the dpad isuseless and L/R triggers aren't that responsive.

[360 controllerare badfor sports games cause the dpad isuseless

anklebreakr

You play sport games with the dpad ?? :lol:

[QUOTE="ngoniko"]

[QUOTE="DementedDragon"]And yet games like NGS can do 1080p at 60FPS; I guess every developer learns at their own pace.Eltroz

this FTW!

[QUOTE="anklebreakr"][360 controllerare badfor sports games cause the dpad isuseless

Forza_2

You play sport games with the dpad ?? :lol:

PFFFT HAHAAHA!

And yet games like NGS can do 1080p at 60FPS; I guess every developer learns at their own pace.DementedDragon

yeah, and the 360 exploded while the ps3 only smoked when they tried making something for both systems.

[QUOTE="anklebreakr"][360 controllerare badfor sports games cause the dpad isuseless

Forza_2

You play sport games with the dpad ?? :lol:

most def. read the manual, madden and 2k sport games have uses for the dpad.

Lazy developers. PS3 already proved it can do 1080p @ 60 fps with NBA 07 and with the upcoming NG: Sigma.Latinoheat47

Fanboy EA isnt gonna build the game from the ground up because sony doesnt know what the hell they are doing

[QUOTE="anklebreakr"][360 controllerare badfor sports games cause the dpad isuseless

Forza_2

You play sport games with the dpad ?? :lol:

I dont think this says anything about the power of the ps3. It shows that devs dont feel putting the extra time needed for tr PS3 version is worth the time money or effort.

And that my friends, is much worse news than the PS3 being difficult to program for.

I dont think this says anything about the power of the ps3. It shows that devs dont feel putting the extra time needed for tr PS3 version is worth the time money or effort.

And that my friends, is much worse news than the PS3 being difficult to program for.

cipherr