Man I swear, Game Developers are a bunch of whinny little cry-babies...

All of those concerns should be considered. DO you know anything about game development TC? Its especially bad for developers with online games, they are going to fall behind schedule considerably since PSN was down for almost a full month.

They need to make money you know to make the games, seems like to me you're the one who need to stop whining.soulitane

[QUOTE="soulitane"]They need to make money you know to make the games, seems like to me you're the one who need to stop whining.RecklessTortuga

If you are a standard PSN user why would you bother "paying" for a game like Outland when you can get games like Little Big Planet, Infamous, Dead Nation, and/or Super Stardust for free?

His complaint is legit.

[QUOTE="soulitane"]They need to make money you know to make the games, seems like to me you're the one who need to stop whining.RecklessTortuga

[QUOTE="RecklessTortuga"][QUOTE="soulitane"]They need to make money you know to make the games, seems like to me you're the one who need to stop whining.JangoWuzHere

If you are a standard PSN user why would you bother paying for a small game like Outland when you can get games like Little Big Planet, Infamous, Dead Nation, and/or Super Stardust for free?

His complaint is legit.

Maybe because, I've never played "Outland" before and would consider buying it... ...so no, his complaint is not legit! He's just another greedy executive concerned about his yearly bonus!!!RecklessTortuga

His concerns are completely legit.

[QUOTE="RecklessTortuga"] Maybe because, I've never played "Outland" before and would consider buying it... ...so no, his complaint is not legit! He's just another greedy executive concerned about his yearly bonus!!!KevinnButlerNPK

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="RecklessTortuga"]First of all, I could picture someone like you lending this guy a shoulder to cry on because you obviously missed the point of his statement... His main concern was that, because Sony is giving away Two free titles to make up for PSN outage, he's afraid that between the time gamers download these games and start playing them that, they are just gonna disreguard all other content on PSN... Like he actually believes he is speaking for the general public...RecklessTortuga

SW is actually devolving... :?

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[QUOTE="RecklessTortuga"] Maybe because, I've never played "Outland" before and would consider buying it... ...so no, his complaint is not legit! He's just another greedy executive concerned about his yearly bonus!!!RecklessTortuga

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[QUOTE="RecklessTortuga"] Maybe because, I've never played "Outland" before and would consider buying it... ...so no, his complaint is not legit! He's just another greedy executive concerned about his yearly bonus!!!RecklessTortuga

Here's a pro tip: if you're going to make a thread and argue a point, your thread isn't going to stay open very long if you just start attacking and insulting everyone who disagrees with you.

Gamers are bigger cry-babies.AAllxxjjnn

Thank you.

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[QUOTE="RecklessTortuga"]It's not about what I know about the industry, it's about what I know as a gamer... If I like something, I'm going to go get it!!! Just because I get something else for free doesn't make me ill not to buy something else... ...If you weren't so busy kissing this guys words like he was God or something, you'd understand the general point of view... These guys don't know anything else other than how to make their pockets fat... The guys who makes some of the worst games playable, do you think they were concerned about making gamers happy with their product or more concerned about making a quick buck??? You think about this and really think about your reply...RecklessTortuga

Here's a pro tip: if you're going to make a thread and argue a point, your thread isn't going to stay open very long if you just start attacking and insulting everyone who disagrees with you.

Teufelhuhn

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

Here's a pro tip: if you're going to make a thread and argue a point, your thread isn't going to stay open very long if you just start attacking and insulting everyone who disagrees with you.

RecklessTortuga

No... I read the other stuff but, what he said about the two free games was my point! How his company makes it's money is of no concern to me... He made a valid points about the other stuff but, when he starting talking about the free content Sony is giving away as a curtisy to PSN being down is when he started sounding real stupid... The point is, what does those the free games have to do with his game not making money??? I suppose if it didn't make money, he'd be incline to blame it on Sony and the free content and not on the fact that no one wanted to play them in the first place...RecklessTortuga

[QUOTE="RecklessTortuga"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

Here's a pro tip: if you're going to make a thread and argue a point, your thread isn't going to stay open very long if you just start attacking and insulting everyone who disagrees with you.

lowe0

Now this is where I wonder if you read what you posted. He had more reasons than just two games being free. All the games that were meant to be released in the time that PSN was down will be released at a fast pace after the store comes back up. Yet you seem to focus on one part of his statement, why is that? He also didn't say that everyone would, he just said that it's a possibility that some people would overlook the new games. All he was doing was speculating, you're trying to make it out as if he said all that would definitely happen.RecklessTortuga

You're being incredibly ignorant. When a small dev releases there game right as a big name dev has one of their best games being offered for free, their game will not sell as well.

Would you buy a $5-$10 game when offered a game such as LBP, an award winning game, for free? Not to mention the other game you get with it

Gamers are bigger cry-babies.AAllxxjjnn

Yep, many gamers have become brats with a sense of entitlement.

They have an economic stake in what happens. You don't.

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[QUOTE="RecklessTortuga"] Maybe because, I've never played "Outland" before and would consider buying it... ...so no, his complaint is not legit! He's just another greedy executive concerned about his yearly bonus!!!RecklessTortuga

it is an AAA title here. have you played it? i have and i can assure you that tons of hard work and care has gone into this game. the controls are fantastic, the art design is beautiful and the overall gameplay and level design is top notch. so yeah, that seems like pretty much AAA material to me and the creators have every single right to be concerned about how their game will fair when PSN comes to full restoration.

Umm, this outage has cost devs millions, some some devs it possible could kill them. So yes they have a reason to complain about this.

Yeah, this isn't being "a whiny little cry-baby", this is raising a legitimate concern about descisions made by a company, which could affect the professional work and economic situation of a large number of people.

[QUOTE="RecklessTortuga"]No... I read the other stuff but, what he said about the two free games was my point! How his company makes it's money is of no concern to me... He made a valid points about the other stuff but, when he starting talking about the free content Sony is giving away as a curtisy to PSN being down is when he started sounding real stupid... The point is, what does those the free games have to do with his game not making money??? I suppose if it didn't make money, he'd be incline to blame it on Sony and the free content and not on the fact that no one wanted to play them in the first place...soulitane

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="RecklessTortuga"]I'm not attacking, I'm debating! ...I attack those who would blindly, try to disregard my point because they can't see the point of the debate... I'm perfectly fine with anyone who can make a valid point so I can casually debunk it...RecklessTortuga

Here's some light reading on the challenges smaller studios face when promoting their games. Read up before attempting to continue this debate.

[QUOTE="soulitane"]They need to make money you know to make the games, seems like to me you're the one who need to stop whining.RecklessTortuga

Yeah, this isn't being "a whiny little cry-baby", this is raising a legitimate concern about descisions made by a company, which could affect the professional work and economic situation of a large number of people.

Gamer_152

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="RecklessTortuga"]No... I read the other stuff but, what he said about the two free games was my point! How his company makes it's money is of no concern to me... He made a valid points about the other stuff but, when he starting talking about the free content Sony is giving away as a curtisy to PSN being down is when he started sounding real stupid... The point is, what does those the free games have to do with his game not making money??? I suppose if it didn't make money, he'd be incline to blame it on Sony and the free content and not on the fact that no one wanted to play them in the first place...RecklessTortuga

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Yeah, this isn't being "a whiny little cry-baby", this is raising a legitimate concern about descisions made by a company, which could affect the professional work and economic situation of a large number of people.

RecklessTortuga

Uh he right. This outage could hurt some developers badly and italready tough of being a game developer these days. I was already planning on doing so but I am definitely getting Outland the moment PSN store opens up again and I hope it will do well because it really looks amazing.

[QUOTE="RecklessTortuga"][QUOTE="Gamer_152"]

Yeah, this isn't being "a whiny little cry-baby", this is raising a legitimate concern about descisions made by a company, which could affect the professional work and economic situation of a large number of people.

soulitane

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="RecklessTortuga"]Well, what can I say? It's the cost of running a risky business... If this guy isn't willing to compete, then maybe he should look for a new line of work!!! This guy is obviously under the impression that, because he makes a game, he should automatically be entitle to make millions without any interference or interruptions from the outside world... Whether it be other people trying to run a business as well.RecklessTortuga

Solution: Buy an 'indie' game like Outland (Dead Nation apparently isn't owned by Housemarque, seeing as it was Sony/Ubi's decision to make it free), get a Sony game free. Sony doesn't owe gamers anything except an apology anyways. Sparks sales, developers get money, Sony gets licencing fees +/- distribution fees, gamers get two games for the price of one, everyone wins.

Well, what can I say? It's the cost of running a risky business... If this guy isn't willing to compete, then maybe he should look for a new line of work!!! This guy is obviously under the impression that, because he makes a game, he should automatically be entitle to make millions without any interference or interruptions from the outside world... Whether it be other people trying to run a business as well.

RecklessTortuga

An easily avoidable cost through co-ordination, something that Nintendo's finally learned over this generation (See: Wii 2010, 3DS launch.) and something that Sony needs to learn. Sony doesn't make money from their in-house developers alone, they get money for licencing/distribution of third-party games too.Sony hasn't built themselves up to the same level as Nintendo so this would be just shooting themselves in the foot by destroying third-party relations.

TC has absolutely no clue on how game development or game businesses works.

[QUOTE="RecklessTortuga"][QUOTE="soulitane"]He never said he wanted to make million, where did you get that from?soulitane