Man Sony is on a negative roll this past month

@darkangel115: It's makes a difference because the PS VR doesn't use a magnifier you are staring directly at the Oled which by the way uses 3 sub pixels per a pixel. The Gear VR has to use a magnifying lense because the phone sits off from the face of the headset. Didn't you tell me I needed to do more research and you don't know this?

Anyway you have proven to not to have an objective opionion. And most previews say the PS VR is pretty impressive for what it offers. More people seem to be impressed with the headset itself.

Who would have thought the PSbore would have sunk to the bowels of gaming, while Xbox just keeps getting better and better. The great news here for gamers is that competition is alive. Maybe Sony will get a fire lit under their ass and end their turmoil.

Until then, us manticores will just wait it out and play on our other systems as well!

I used the PSVR it absolutely has a magnifier, It's literally impossible for VR to work without a magnifier

@darkangel115: No, it's impossible for it to work without some sort of lense which tricks your brain into seeing one image. But the Gear VR is using a magnifier which is about the equivalent of viewing a tv screen with binoculars.

Thats not true at all. Seriouslly you have no knowledge on this subject clearly. I own a gear VR, I demo'd the PSVR.

Every VR device has magnifying lens. 1st off you need it. Take your phone, hold it a few inches from your face and see if that simulates a large TV, spoiler alert, it doesn't. Thats why you need a magnifier. You think that the 5.7" screen of the PSVR magically looks like a 70" screen without a magnifier? Seriously? Think about how dumb that sounds. You also don't need a "lens" specifically to get the "3D" effect of VR, it can be done with colored saran wrap lol All you need is something to make your eyes see 2 different images from the same screen. in VR case, it's done by splitting the screen in 2, half for each eye and using the headset to split it down the middle. You don't even understand the tech and clearly haven't tried either, yet still want to argue? typical fanboy BS

@darkangel115: Except I do have knowledge of the subject and my company actually sells the Gear VR. I've demoed it extensively and I've demoed the PSVR as well. The Gear VR is significantly Blurrier, that is a fact so please explain why that is if it's a supposedly a higher resolution?

Now If you took your binoculars and stared at a 40 inch screen it can look like like your at a movie theater minus the fact it's a blurry mess.

so look at your binocular example, without them how would a 40 inch screen look like a movie theater? it wouldn't right. so how does the 5 inch screen on the PSVR do it without magnifying? exactly, it can't. If you aren't lying about it, then you are a terrible uninformed salesperson. I bet you work at bets buy and misinform people all the time lol

The vive and rift are 1200p screens, and require an i5 and 970. The gear VR is a 1440p screen. the PSVR is a 1080p screen and runs off basically a low end GPU. it's just a bad experience overall. Maybe it is much better with the Pro, but as an OG PS4 owner, it's not even close to worth the 400 bucks.

@darkangel115: lol no I don't work at best buy.

A quality lense in front of an Oled screen is going to offer a superior experience to a separate screen slapped in front of a magnifying glass. The lense tricks you so the Oled screen takes up your entire FoV. The Gear VR can't do that because it has to adjust fitting three different sized screens into one headset. So although the lense may magnify the Oled on the PS VR it offers nothing close to the distortion you get from the Gear VR.

Also let's not get sidetracked. You said PSVR was worse then Gear VR. I ask you do you honestly feel that way?

this thread 6/10

quality lens? lol a magnifying lens is just that. There isn't really a quality feature of it. All the lens in all VR devices were made to magnify a small image to make it look bigger. The thing is when you do that, the resolution suffers. This is a drawback from every VR device, not just the PSVR. however the PSVR has the lowest resolution of the bunch. (GEAR, PSVR, VIVE, RIFT) Gear is a 1440p screen, Vive and Rift a 1200p screen, and PS a 1080p screen. If you look at your 1080p TV from regular viewing distance it looks good, but now sit 5 inches away and put a magnifying glass to it and see how it looks, that situation really shows off any issues in quality.

A common complaint from everyone who demoed the PSVR was how you can't really read any text in it due to it being blurry. I had the same issue when I demoed battlezone. The text was unreadable. In the gear VR, the text is a little more clear, not sharp, but readable. I have no experience with the Vive or Rift to compare to those 2. The PSVR has better graphics then the Gear obviously, but it looks like I'm playing it in 480p on a HDTV (remember when we seen that when HDTVs first came out?) That's what it looks like. See if you can find an old TV show with black bars and all, and watch it on a HDTV and thats the quality of it. Games on the Gear sucks, and the mes available for Demo on the VR suck. Also being on an OG PS4 probably contributed as well. I would assume on the Pro the experience is much better. I like the idea of VR, I like tech in gaming. I supported 3d and kinect, and wii, So I'm not against VR, I just think as it currently stands it isn't worth it. Maybe with the next jump in tech it'll actually be good, but as it stands now, it really isn't.

I'll wait out VR for another year or so, maybe build a PC or see what comes available with the scorpio and try it out. But as of now, the PSVR really isn't good enough. It's probably only worth it with a rift or vive and a high end PC

They will.

I mean, they won in my book with just Spiderman PS4 so i don't care much for this L.

This thread was copied from IGN's resident Xbot...then again, this thread has appeared at many a website in various forms.

Either way, he did a copy/past job and he gets paid to do it. :(

lol.

Catch they, a break poor cows can't...

lol :P

It's funny how this gen lems are all about non-gaming things. Wonder why... oh right, because they can't argue that Xbox wins by the most important factor, games.

Now even less, since Xbox doesn't have ANY exclusives anymore. What a sad story. Well, i'm glad MS is back home, on PC.

Back to where they started...the PC.

It's threads like this that make me think MS and its fanbase deserve the utter thrashing they are getting this gen. Literally, the only thread holding their fanbase together is a hatred for the Playstation. It couldn't be more obvious now. This is why an XBox console will NEVER break 100,000,000 sold.

As a longtime Spidey fan (I own some of his worst and best games from Atari, NES, Genesis, SNES, etc onward), I'm looking forward to Insomniac's take on Spider-Man for sure. :P

and i got nothing for it lol

one issue to your theory

I started this thread and

as you can see, i clearly do not hate sony. I have everything this gen but a wii u, and had everything from pretty much every gen outside of a few sega systems (saturn and dreamcast) I've owned every nintendo system except the Wii U, Every PS system, every Xbox system, and 1 sega system (genesis). I've gamed on PC since the mid 90s, this gen is the first time I chose not to have a PC more powerful then the current consoles, I just haven't gamed on PC that much last gen and wasn't interested in doing it more. Plus my gaming laptop from last gen still runs most PC games now anyway. In my older age, i just prefer consoles. I can care less about sales, unless MS or sony is putting money in my pocket, why should I care. As long as both stay in business to push each other I'm happy. Competition is good for all and more importantly as a gamer, i just like games. I don't care who makes them or what platform they are on. If a game is good, it's good. I've already said horizon is day 1 for me, God of war was one of my top 10 favorite franchises, I talked how great rocket league is before an xbox announcement was ever made for it. it's still one of the best free games given ever. The issue is when fanboys like you (fanboys of either system) see any criticism of their beloved electronic device, they go into defense mode and assume the poster must be a fanboy of the other system. Fanboys can't take constructive criticism. How someone could love a piece of plastic is beyond me. I love my Kids, Wife, Pets, and family and i would defend them. I'd never love a piece of plastic or a mega corporation, I'm a consumer who will enjoy their products and spend my money on good things they provide. But I'll never love them and be a fanboy.

@darkangel115: My apologies, then. You are not a fanboy, you are just soft on the facts. Still, my assessment of the thread stands every bit as much due to the lemming reaction to it. Stand not accused.

thats your opinion, but some things are price facts, like a raise in the price of PSN and then a few days later it goes down. The difference for me is, when i own something i want to see what are they doing to keep me interested in their product. What games are coming out, what improvements in service, improvements in the system itself, etc. Now with Sony and MS having mid gen upgrades I'm thinking what fits me best. do i buy both, do i by one, do i not buy any? VR is coming, is it worth it, should I get it etc. As it stands now, I'm not very impressed with sony this gen, outside of having the best hardware which goes away next year, I haven't gotten my money's worth IMO. Of course they still have 4-5 years of this gen left to fix that but if a PS5 was to come out today, it would be the first time i wouldn't own a current gen PS since 1995. The issue is when someone makes a logical argument at someone being irrational, the irrational person sees it as an insult.

@darkangel115: I just buy these stupid boxes for the games they play. Been doing that for a while. When I see one box that doesnt play any of its own games any more, I dont see it as an improvement. Different strokes for different folks, I supoose.

Unlike literally all of the cows/sony fanboys around here, I have remained consistent on my biggest gripe with the Xbox since I have been here. Not because it is a convenient thing to throw in peoples faces after E3. I've been begging for some of those big billions to be spent on game studios and a selection of games. The platform has gone in the complete opposite direction.

I get hated on for it, but the facts are the facts.

not sure what you mean when you say "it doesn't play it's games anymore" unless you mean a new gen? in that case I do see new gens as improvements. Games get bigger and better, the issue is I feel we hit a wall in gaming where the cost to make these games is so high and takes so long it's hard to have a constant stream of good games or take chances. Before you could sell 1 million copies make your money back with it, fund your next game and still have more left over and drop the game to 20 bucks as a platinum hit. Now games need to sell 3-4 million just to break even. To combat that we have DLC, microtransactions, and ways for them to make max profit on each copy sold so they don't have to sell 3-4 million to break even. Plus it allows them to make money off used game sales where they got 0 dollars before. I'm pretty picky with my time, If a game isn't really good I don't play it. I have a life outside of gaming, I don't have 500 hours a month to put into games. I usually only really enjoy 2-4 games a year. Most games I buy and never bother to beat because I get bored. I'd rather play online games with friends. be able to hop on for a few hours at night have fun and that's it. Sony hasn't been giving me that this gen so it's disappointing. I probably won't resub to plus when mine runs out. I let it lapse once already then resubbed for overwatch which I have on both consoles. MS has put out more games I like this gen, that's my personal preference doesn't make me a fanboy to say I'm disappointed in something I own, or that I don't like the direction they are going.

Yeah, it would be nice to see some recognition, lol.

I tried having fun in Shatered Dimensions, but it was so bad.

Stoped at the Sandman level.

But this will be, hopefully, Spiderman 2 of this gen.

even if they just say "a user on gamespot" I've seen credit given to neogaf before in articles.

Most games this gen are online heavy while Sony is offering great single player experiences. I highly doubt anyone who has a Ps4 will miss out online. I'm mostly into fighters so Ps4 is an obvious choice.

@darkangel115 said:

@MonsieurX said:

@darkangel115 said:

@MonsieurX said:

When\where did Sony trash upscaling?

All gen long.

@casharmy said:

Lems are really having a hard time here. lol their best is to drum up a smear campaign against Sony to hide the failure of their favorite losing brand and hyped games that have all flopped to hell and back.

Xbone S sales hype is dead now that Pro is here. All that xbone S momentum was killed on PS4 Pro reveal and is currently dominating Amazon sales charts. Now lems have to go back to hyped a system they won't even have a chance of touching for at least another year. These guys are in limbo, tough times in lem land.

A moment of silence for our once proud lem faction

not a lem. I have a PS4 and would have gotten a pro if it had a BD drive in it. Super excited for horizon zero dawn too, so try again please.

I'm not talking about the fanboys here,specifically Sony

All gen long they talked about native native native

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-native-1080p-allows-you-to-be-a-better-gamer/1100-6416145/

@casharmy said:

@darkangel115 said:

@MonsieurX said:

When\where did Sony trash upscaling?

All gen long.

@casharmy said:

Lems are really having a hard time here. lol their best is to drum up a smear campaign against Sony to hide the failure of their favorite losing brand and hyped games that have all flopped to hell and back.

Xbone S sales hype is dead now that Pro is here. All that xbone S momentum was killed on PS4 Pro reveal and is currently dominating Amazon sales charts. Now lems have to go back to hyped a system they won't even have a chance of touching for at least another year. These guys are in limbo, tough times in lem land.

A moment of silence for our once proud lem faction

not a lem. I have a PS4 and would have gotten a pro if it had a BD drive in it. Super excited for horizon zero dawn too, so try again please.

LMAO Nice try, Sony has been coming out with games ALL year long while MS has produced squat and you're trying to nit pick at what Sony has then talk about Scorpio like it's the best thing ever. That's the tell tell signs of lems wet dream dead console a year away to counter PS4 as if it's the answer to having NO GAMES!

You was trying too hard bro and it shows.

Sony doing better than everybody right now so if you're mad it's not sony who you should be mad at but you're hot lol...Then in the same breath you trying to praise MS for something that doesn't even exist yet and hasn't produced any high quality exclusive the entire year.

FAIL!

all year long? you mean uncharted? I can't think of any big Sony release all year besides uncharted. and none left for this year unless you want to count TLG which may make it in December if it doesn't get delayed again. 1st party from MS and Sony have both been dry this year. The fanboy mentality that one of them is pumping out 10 amazing games a year and the other has 0 is stupid.

I'm not trying at all, you are the one. you didn't address any issues I spoke of in the OP, you just came in with damage control. I'm not mad at sony, I love sony, I just don't know WTF they are doing other then becoming arrogant launch PS3 sony again

they have released a lot of exclusive games that got 8 or better by your logic MS hasnt released an exclusive game since halo

@xxgunslingerxx said:

@darkangel115 said:

@MonsieurX said:

@darkangel115 said:

@MonsieurX said:

When\where did Sony trash upscaling?

All gen long.

@casharmy said:

Lems are really having a hard time here. lol their best is to drum up a smear campaign against Sony to hide the failure of their favorite losing brand and hyped games that have all flopped to hell and back.

Xbone S sales hype is dead now that Pro is here. All that xbone S momentum was killed on PS4 Pro reveal and is currently dominating Amazon sales charts. Now lems have to go back to hyped a system they won't even have a chance of touching for at least another year. These guys are in limbo, tough times in lem land.

A moment of silence for our once proud lem faction

not a lem. I have a PS4 and would have gotten a pro if it had a BD drive in it. Super excited for horizon zero dawn too, so try again please.

I'm not talking about the fanboys here,specifically Sony

All gen long they talked about native native native

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-native-1080p-allows-you-to-be-a-better-gamer/1100-6416145/

@casharmy said:

@darkangel115 said:

@MonsieurX said:

When\where did Sony trash upscaling?

All gen long.

@casharmy said:

Lems are really having a hard time here. lol their best is to drum up a smear campaign against Sony to hide the failure of their favorite losing brand and hyped games that have all flopped to hell and back.

Xbone S sales hype is dead now that Pro is here. All that xbone S momentum was killed on PS4 Pro reveal and is currently dominating Amazon sales charts. Now lems have to go back to hyped a system they won't even have a chance of touching for at least another year. These guys are in limbo, tough times in lem land.

A moment of silence for our once proud lem faction

not a lem. I have a PS4 and would have gotten a pro if it had a BD drive in it. Super excited for horizon zero dawn too, so try again please.

LMAO Nice try, Sony has been coming out with games ALL year long while MS has produced squat and you're trying to nit pick at what Sony has then talk about Scorpio like it's the best thing ever. That's the tell tell signs of lems wet dream dead console a year away to counter PS4 as if it's the answer to having NO GAMES!

You was trying too hard bro and it shows.

Sony doing better than everybody right now so if you're mad it's not sony who you should be mad at but you're hot lol...Then in the same breath you trying to praise MS for something that doesn't even exist yet and hasn't produced any high quality exclusive the entire year.

FAIL!

all year long? you mean uncharted? I can't think of any big Sony release all year besides uncharted. and none left for this year unless you want to count TLG which may make it in December if it doesn't get delayed again. 1st party from MS and Sony have both been dry this year. The fanboy mentality that one of them is pumping out 10 amazing games a year and the other has 0 is stupid.

I'm not trying at all, you are the one. you didn't address any issues I spoke of in the OP, you just came in with damage control. I'm not mad at sony, I love sony, I just don't know WTF they are doing other then becoming arrogant launch PS3 sony again

they have released a lot of exclusive games that got 8 or better by your logic MS hasnt released an exclusive game since halo

I can care less about a score. FH3 got a 9 on MC, I'm not buying it cause I'm not big on racers. Funny how that works huh? I was specifically talking about big 1st party games. Sony this year released uncharted and thats it. MS has recore and gears and thats it. last year sony had drive club? MS had halo 5. well you see my point, neither 1st party is kicking out exclusives. FWIW I own both and have way more XB exclusives then PS exclusives. MS has made the better 3rd party deals plus halo is amazing. For sony I own 1 exclusive TLOU:R and I don't even care for it really, For MS I own Sunset overdrive, Ryse, DR3, Recore, Halo 5, Titanfall 1, Quantum Break, Gears Ultimate, ROTR, all ranging from good to amazing. I did beat the order for PS4, tried bloodborne but didn't care for it, and tried the UC4 beta and didn't care for it. But thats just personal opinion. Again the main point was both 1st party studios are lacking in the big games department. Sony has a yearly MLB game, MS has a yearly racer, and outside of that, both have 1 maybe 2 first part games a year. It isn't one sided at all, it's even. The better ones are just preference

a 400 dollar console can't do 4k? what a shock. Even the 1000+ dollar titan xp struggles to do some games at 4k/60fps, yet people thought a console using a tablet cpu and a mid range gpu could do 4k

And now http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1239558&page=2

Sony is banning people because of a lack of oversight

TL:DR version

Sony bans IP that attempt to DDOS them, those IPs get recycled to other users, users who get those IPs become banned, Support offers no help

@casharmy: Don't think lems are having any problems at the moment. Their XB1 Slim actually got more meaningful features and at a nice price. Looks like the Scorpio will still be the most powerful game console when it launches in 2017. Only thing lems are probably waiting for is more new IP's and some solid release dates. Plus XB1 got a AAA console exclusive in Forza Horizon 3, which also plays in 4K with HDR support on the XB1 S.

Looks like you are wrong on all accounts. Stop assuming.

You mean the XBOS which 99% of xbox one owners don't have and can't access its features.?

Yes 1 year after the competition and $100 more minimum,that isn't revolution is simply evolution so basically you have to wait 14 months to get a console 43% more powerful than the pro,when sony had 1 week before the xbox one even launch a console 45% more powerful which you still damage control its 720p games.

Yes a 91 game which isn't exclusive you don't need an xbox one or S for Forza you do need a PS4 for uncharted...lol

Is 4K upscale which is not native but is nice to see you defend 1080p upscale to 4k,when Neo doesn't even upscale using checker board rendering and you people downplay it....lol'

Any way 14 more months to go of inferior games blackace..lol