Many got the Wii out of novelty. Will they do it again for the Wii U?

I'm sure the Wii didn't sell over 60 million units just relying on Nintendo loyalists alone. A large portion of them got it because it looked fun and interesting. They bought it, had a bit of fun, then left it aside. They weren't exactly gamers at heart, just a curious bunch of consumers who wanted to check out something new.

Will these group of people actually repeat that inquisitive purchase and get themselves a Wii U? Will these people say "I have a Wii. I don't even touch it anymore. But that Wii U looks interesting."? If so, it's got to be a revelation in the gaming industry. You don't actually need that many games. Generating curiousity alone will do the job, and release a new console after 4 years.

I have a gut feeling that Nintendo may not be able to cash in on the Wii U like they did with the Wii.

They weren't exactly gamers at heartjhcho2

Depends on the software, hardware price and what the competitors do.

Wii Pictionary holiday 2013? /gen won.

It's gonna be tough though because of Kinect and a ton of other stuff too that wasn't there when Wii debuted. Some argue that Apple/Facebook will take away from console sales too. Now the market is filled with games that cater to Wii's audience.

Nothing is guaranteed, it can work, it can flop, as long as Wii U is profitable it's ok.

Well, I guess if it's novel...

honestly only i guess"hardcore gamers, or bro gamers" dont like the wii alot of ppl i know love it its all they need.

nintendo has that brand name now.....like apple

the wii is almost at 85-90 million sold idk where you got you numbers from

wii was not a novelty sorry pal , wii was this gens ps2 get over it

wii was not a novelty sorry pal , wii was this gens ps2 get over it

mariokart64fan

[QUOTE="jhcho2"] They weren't exactly gamers at heartImSwordMan

Err .....how bout people who actually buy consoles as a medium to play games, instead of people who buy games as the medium to experience the controls?

I dont know about the rest of the world but a lot of my friends who were "jocks" would make fun of the wii but I used to defend it when it came out but later more and more of my friends would get one and it was a ratio of about 1/4 who didn't think the wii was utter crap and by that time I wasn't one of that 1/4.

[QUOTE="ImSwordMan"][QUOTE="jhcho2"] They weren't exactly gamers at heartjhcho2

Err .....how bout people who actually buy consoles as a medium to play games, instead of people who buy games as the medium to experience the controls?

But they bought the software too.

NSMBW 22m

MKWii 27m

WSR 27m

Wii Fit 22m

Wii Fit Plus 19m

Don't quiet get your point there.

Edit: NSMBW actually hit stores Q4 09 and sold like that so it's not some 06 novelty thing going on there.

[QUOTE="jhcho2"]

[QUOTE="ImSwordMan"] Then what defines a gamer to you? SuperFlakeman

Err .....how bout people who actually buy consoles as a medium to play games, instead of people who buy games as the medium to experience the controls?

But they bought the software too.

NSMBW 22m

MKWii 27m

WSR 27m

Wii Fit 22m

Wii Fit Plus 19m

Don't quiet get your point there.

Edit: NSMBW actually hit stores Q4 09 and sold like that so it's not some 06 novelty thing going on there.

Did people actually get Wii Fit because it was a good game? Or did they get it because it made a good use of the motion controls. I think there's a distinction there.

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="jhcho2"]

Err .....how bout people who actually buy consoles as a medium to play games, instead of people who buy games as the medium to experience the controls?

jhcho2

But they bought the software too.

NSMBW 22m

MKWii 27m

WSR 27m

Wii Fit 22m

Wii Fit Plus 19m

Don't quiet get your point there.

Edit: NSMBW actually hit stores Q4 09 and sold like that so it's not some 06 novelty thing going on there.

Did people actually get Wii Fit because it was a good game? Or did they get it because it made a good use of the motion controls. I think there's a distinction there.

Who Bought a Wii for WiiSports and Who Bought a Wii for Twilight Princess?

[QUOTE="jhcho2"]

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

But they bought the software too.

NSMBW 22m

MKWii 27m

WSR 27m

Wii Fit 22m

Wii Fit Plus 19m

Don't quiet get your point there.

Edit: NSMBW actually hit stores Q4 09 and sold like that so it's not some 06 novelty thing going on there.

Sgt_Crow

Did people actually get Wii Fit because it was a good game? Or did they get it because it made a good use of the motion controls. I think there's a distinction there.

The purpose of this thread was not to argue about the semantics of what makes a true gamer. It is about whether these so called casuals, as you put it, will actually.....or probably become hardcore gamers, as you put it, and be drawn in by the Wii U, or would these casuals.....being casual gamers end up not repeating their mistake of buying the Wii, which in many cases, was due to novelty.

The primary difference between a core gamer and a casual is that a core gamer goes where the games are. If a company releases a new console, and discontinues support for the old consoles, and subsequently results in developers migrating their projects to the new console...these core gamers will follow. A casual gamer might alternatively buy a console because it looked cool, and it's questionable whether that same person may give in to the cool factor twice. Unless of course Nintendo changes the focus of their target market.

I got a Wii because I thought the motion controls looked interesting. Well... the motion controls were not interesting, they were total garbage. I've decided video games are much more fun with a normal controller. Nintendo thinks I'm wrong, so I'm not buying a Wii U.

I thought i brought a console to play games upon it and not as a novelty item like a Back scratcher made out of ivory like the many other consumers who brought a Wii as a console.

Such a stupid topic. What else will stupid make a topic about.... Many got the Wii because it Ophrah said they was awesome, Many people brought the Wii because there soccer moms loved it, Many brought the Wii because it was grey, Many brought the Wii as it had Red Steel, Many brought the Wii as it was the year of a the Mouse in the chinese calender, many brought the Wii as they loved chuck norris who loved nunchucks, Many brought the Wii because they seen a picture saying "everyone time you dont buy a Wii, God kills a kitten".

There you go... Theres enough topics there for a weekend on stupid topics about the Wii.

Except the Wii U will be more than a novelty. It'll actually reach out to the core gamers again, with some form of new innovations made possible by their LCD controller. We'll see!

Well the Wii is awful ... The WiiU looks leagues better though.

wii was not a novelty sorry pal , wii was this gens ps2 get over it

mariokart64fan

The Wii also has a worse AAA library on metacritic than the dreamcast. Keep in mind the Dreamcast was only around for 3 years. That doesnt mean the Wii doesnt have its few titles, like Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, and SSBB (which I want to play). I respect that the system has fans, but to compare it to the legacy of the PS2 is just laughable.

Will the next generation pay for M$ ads again? The recent polls suggested yes they will.
Did they stop buying 360's because they blew up? No they didn't, they instead bought a few more to be on the safe side.

That is "N's" biggest fear and for good reason IMO since I think not - It's gonna be a huge uphill climb for the Wii U in comparison to how it went for the Wii. :P

[QUOTE="mariokart64fan"]

wii was not a novelty sorry pal , wii was this gens ps2 get over it

StrongDeadlift

The Wii also has a worse AAA library on metacritic than the dreamcast. Keep in mind the Dreamcast was only around for 3 years. That doesnt mean the Wii doesnt have its few titles, like Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, and SSBB (which I want to play). I respect that the system has fans, but to compare it to the legacy of the PS2 is just laughable.

Probably not.

I am one of those people who currently own a Wii, which to be fair that was only because I got it off the back of a lorry for £100 brand new very shortly after it was released, and I mostly likely won't be buying a Wii U.

I think Nintendo is going to find a lot less people interested in Wii U than they maybe intitally imagined, just like the current situation with the 3DS...

Who Bought a Wii for WiiSports and Who Bought a Wii for Twilight Princess?

LegatoSkyheart

I got it for both, Wii Sports was an exceptional game at its time. Could've bought TP for GC, but I picked Wii due to its superior controls.

It's even in IGN's top 10 games of 2006 list, second place.

It's a revolutionary game, that's why.

Did people actually get Wii Fit because it was a good game? Or did they get it because it made a good use of the motion controls. I think there's a distinction there.

jhcho2

You ignore that SSBB sold alot, Galaxy games, Zelda TP, NSMBW, MKWii, DKCR and other core titles. Ok do that.

Wii Fit was the first of its kind. It's a solid fitness game, that is more about casual exercise, especially good for kids, and can be fun at the same time. It's not meant for you to burn all that fat, more like a yoga thing. Nintendo got a ton of praise from outside of the gaming industry for Wii Fit. Yes it's a good game, but it can certainly be improved.

Stop using the term "motion controls" in association with "casuals" or whatever, because there are core games that benefits greatly from the pointer or WM+.

Wii was a success and lots of people loved the console, your idea that "motion controls" as a novelty made them buy these things then to regret it days after is ridiculous, people continued to buy software for Wii throughout its lifecycle. There is no distinction it's all in your head.

[QUOTE="jhcho2"] They weren't exactly gamers at heartImSwordMan

of course you know, grandparents and people who dont normally buy game systems bought a wii for games like wii fit and other crap like that. not all of them are "regular" gamers like we are and since the wiiu isnt going to be gimmicky like last gen, no reason to purchase it. especially since theyll probably feel like theyve already gone out on a limb and purchase something they probably barely use now anyway....slvrraven9

I dare you to prove your claims.

Oh and NSMBW/MKWii/SSBB are crappy non games now? I see....

Can somebody explain what has happend here?

http://www.ign.com/decade/best-games-2006.html

Some explanation: This list was made in 2010, as a part of their "best of the decade" theme, so don't say oh lol that was just in 06 but teh novelty.

And yes, Wii Sports got the second place, IGN put it above Gears of War :D

I don't think Nintendo is just going to drop support fo the Wii, infact I think they'll keep both consoles going strong for awhile. One they will continue to market to the casual audience and they'll market the WiiU to the core audience.

The problem with the WiiU is that it is launching next year and it's focus is on the core audience. While this may seem like a good strategy, Sony and Microsoft will be unveiling their consoles right after the release of the WiiU. The WiiU will be focusing on the same markets, however it will be severly underpowered and limited compared to the new consoles. It will pretty much be like the Dreamcast. The PS2 overshadowed the Dreamcast so much, it didn't sell well. Sony and Microsoft see this and that's why they are in no rush to unveil their consoles. There is no point.

It's pretty clear that Nintendo is trying to pick up on the missed multiplats of this gen and pick up on 3rd party support. What will happen is games will be built for the 360 and then ported to the WiiU, so the real advantages of the system won't be utilized. If Sony and Microsoft were truely afriad of this console, they would have announced their new ones. The fact is, they didn't. They see that it's not going to be a major competitor and Nintendo is jumping the gun by about a year.

I'm sure the Wii didn't sell over 60 million units just relying on Nintendo loyalists alone. A large portion of them got it because it looked fun and interesting. They bought it, had a bit of fun, then left it aside. They weren't exactly gamers at heart, just a curious bunch of consumers who wanted to check out something new.

Will these group of people actually repeat that inquisitive purchase and get themselves a Wii U? Will these people say "I have a Wii. I don't even touch it anymore. But that Wii U looks interesting."? If so, it's got to be a revelation in the gaming industry. You don't actually need that many games. Generating curiousity alone will do the job, and release a new console after 4 years.

I have a gut feeling that Nintendo may not be able to cash in on the Wii U like they did with the Wii.

jhcho2

[QUOTE="jhcho2"]

I'm sure the Wii didn't sell over 60 million units just relying on Nintendo loyalists alone. A large portion of them got it because it looked fun and interesting. They bought it, had a bit of fun, then left it aside. They weren't exactly gamers at heart, just a curious bunch of consumers who wanted to check out something new.

Will these group of people actually repeat that inquisitive purchase and get themselves a Wii U? Will these people say "I have a Wii. I don't even touch it anymore. But that Wii U looks interesting."? If so, it's got to be a revelation in the gaming industry. You don't actually need that many games. Generating curiousity alone will do the job, and release a new console after 4 years.

I have a gut feeling that Nintendo may not be able to cash in on the Wii U like they did with the Wii.

Coolyfett

The Wiimote was created becauseNintendo could not compete efficiently in the hardcore market, sothe higher ups at nintendo sat at a conference table and came up with a gimmick they could use to sell more consoles, after losing so much on the gamecube. They needed a way to sell people last gen hardware, but attach a gimick to it so that people think it is new. That way, they could put a higher price tag on it, whilst keeping manufacturing costs dirt cheap, and keep a high profit margin.

[QUOTE="Coolyfett"]

[QUOTE="jhcho2"]

I'm sure the Wii didn't sell over 60 million units just relying on Nintendo loyalists alone. A large portion of them got it because it looked fun and interesting. They bought it, had a bit of fun, then left it aside. They weren't exactly gamers at heart, just a curious bunch of consumers who wanted to check out something new.

Will these group of people actually repeat that inquisitive purchase and get themselves a Wii U? Will these people say "I have a Wii. I don't even touch it anymore. But that Wii U looks interesting."? If so, it's got to be a revelation in the gaming industry. You don't actually need that many games. Generating curiousity alone will do the job, and release a new console after 4 years.

I have a gut feeling that Nintendo may not be able to cash in on the Wii U like they did with the Wii.

StrongDeadlift

The Wiimote was created becauseNintendo could not compete efficiently in the hardcore market, sothe higher ups at nintendo sat at a conference table and came up with a gimmick they could use to sell more consoles, after losing so much on the gamecube. They needed a way to sell people last gen hardware, but attach a gimick to it so that people think it is new. That way, they could put a higher price tag on it, whilst keeping manufacturing costs dirt cheap, and keep a high profit margin.

How the heck s the Wiimote a gimmick if certain devs like HVS,Ubi Montrealand Prope were able to take full advantage of the controller's motion capabiliies. It's a gimmick in the sense thatdevs just tacked Wiimote capabilities into anything thry created without utilizing the controller.

There will have to be some awesome games on the Wii U before I even think about purchasing it.

I don't regret buying my Wii, but it serves zero purpose whatsoever at the moment.

How the heck s the Wiimote a gimmick if certain devs like HVS,Ubi Montrealand Prope were able to take full advantage of the controller's motion capabiliies. It's a gimmick in the sense thatdevs just tacked Wiimote capabilities into anything thry created without utilizing the controller.

super600

If you're mentioning High Voltage as one of the best devs making use of the Wii remote, you really aren't helping your case..

[QUOTE="super600"]

How the heck s the Wiimote a gimmick if certain devs like HVS,Ubi Montrealand Prope were able to take full advantage of the controller's motion capabiliies. It's a gimmick in the sense thatdevs just tacked Wiimote capabilities into anything thry created without utilizing the controller.

UCF_Knight

If you're mentioning High Voltage as one of the best devs making use of the Wii remote, you really aren't helping your case..

They did use the Wiimote capabilitiesfrom what I heard ftrom multiple sources reallywel, but I can't talk about the quality of the Conduit franchise.

Probably, but I sorta doubt it.

I still think they should've went with an entirely different name and console design -- I can see lots of people looking at it and thinking it's nothing more than just a DSiXL upgrade equivalent(just a Wii with a new accessory) and pass on it.

Most people I know who got Wii's don't play them anymore or gave it away. it was the IT thing to have for most people, it really was a fad for the media and for most people.Bread_or_Decide

[QUOTE="Sgt_Crow"][QUOTE="jhcho2"]

Did people actually get Wii Fit because it was a good game? Or did they get it because it made a good use of the motion controls. I think there's a distinction there.

jhcho2

The purpose of this thread was not to argue about the semantics of what makes a true gamer. It is about whether these so called casuals, as you put it, will actually.....or probably become hardcore gamers, as you put it, and be drawn in by the Wii U, or would these casuals.....being casual gamers end up not repeating their mistake of buying the Wii, which in many cases, was due to novelty.

The primary difference between a core gamer and a casual is that a core gamer goes where the games are. If a company releases a new console, and discontinues support for the old consoles, and subsequently results in developers migrating their projects to the new console...these core gamers will follow. A casual gamer might alternatively buy a console because it looked cool, and it's questionable whether that same person may give in to the cool factor twice. Unless of course Nintendo changes the focus of their target market.

How the heck s the Wiimote a gimmick if certain devs like HVS,Ubi Montrealand Prope were able to take full advantage of the controller's motion capabiliies. It's a gimmick in the sense thatdevs just tacked Wiimote capabilities into anything thry created without utilizing the controller.

super600

All you just told me is that certain developers made the best out of the tools that were provided to them. Nintendo was not trying to be jesus and ressurect the industry, or revolutionize gaming, or any of that PR talk. They made the Wii because they lost money on the gamecube after getting a mighty fine pimp hand from the PS2 and Xbox last gen, and they wanted to focus on profit this gen. So nintendo higher ups sat down and thought of a way to essentially take a gamecube, repackage it as something else, and sell it for a higher price tag, while manufacturing costs stay roughly the same. Developers have gone on record saying that the Wii is basically 2 gamecubes taped together. But how would they accomplish a task like this? How would they convince people to buy a console with such cheap hardware without wondering why? Well, they came up with a gimick to set it apart from everything else.

The Wiimote was their way to get people to pay next gen prices for last gen hardware, while keeping manufacturing costs dirt cheap, and keeping a high profit margin right out the gate. That way it was pure profit for them. They needed a new revenue stream, and the Wii was a godsend to them.

As far as Kinect and PSmove, those are Microsoft and Sony realizing what nintendo was doing and simply capitalizing. Kinect and Move are not trying to revolutionize anything either, they exist because Microsoft and Sony wanted a new revenue stream as well.

Another close example I can come up with is Sony with the PSPgo. This is also why I laugh at people who bash the PSPgo and call it a failure. They just dont get it. The PSPgo was not meant to kill the ipod touch, or break sales records or anything. The PSPgo was a method for sony to create another revenue stream. They basically took the PSP which was selling for $160 at the time, cut the manufacturing costs roughtly in half (made up figure for the sake of arguement), yet at the same time adding $90 dollars to the price. So lets recap. They released a STRIPPED DOWN system that cost them ALOT less to make, yet it had a $90 higher pricetag. How would they ever convince people to buy this? Well, they tacked on the gimick of the games being download only. The only difference between the Wii and the PSPgo is that Nintendo was more serious about it than Sony was.

[QUOTE="slvrraven9"] of course you know, grandparents and people who dont normally buy game systems bought a wii for games like wii fit and other crap like that. not all of them are "regular" gamers like we are and since the wiiu isnt going to be gimmicky like last gen, no reason to purchase it. especially since theyll probably feel like theyve already gone out on a limb and purchase something they probably barely use now anyway....SuperFlakeman

I dare you to prove your claims.

Oh and NSMBW/MKWii/SSBB are crappy non games now? I see....

not all of them are "regular" gamers like we areslvrraven9

NSMBW / MKWii /Smash Bros. / Galaxy / TP are "regular" games right? So what does it matter who purchases them, as long as they are games you like ????

That was my point. Nintendo's core franchises will always continue to live so it's not like we are facing extinction, relax.