Many PC games are horribly bugged and badly optimized

One of the things I do feel where consoles have the advantage is that console games generally aren't as bugged and poorly optimized as some PC games are. I do realize that there are patches and after some time (sometime months) certain PC games de become much more polished and run better, but the aforementioned statement does go for many PC games duing the time of release. Infact in some cases the bugs and optimization are so bad that some PC games are basically unplaylable during the time of release. You don't see such travesty on the consoles and if you do it's usually the abysmal console games. Quite some good PC games suffer from these issues so it's not a small issue.

There's a difference between being horrible optimized or systems not pleasing the game engines demands.

Also what are these games?

A lot of console games are also buggy and badly optimized at launch.IronBass

Perhaps nowadays but back in the days console games were generally quite polished. They had to be since there were no patches.

There's a difference between being horrible optimized or systems not pleasing the game engines demands.

Also what are these games?

NoodleFighter

Well the list is quite long actually so writing them all down would take too much time. I guess you can inform yourself by frequently reading PC game forums.

A lot of console games are also buggy and badly optimized at launch.IronBass

And every Bethesda game released on consoles is guilty as charged.

Perhaps nowadays but back in the days console games were generally quite polished. They had to be since there were no patches.nameless12345

One of the things I do feel where consoles have the advantage is that console games generally aren't as bugged and poorly optimized as some PC games are. I do realize that there are patches and after some time (sometime months) certain PC games de become much more polished and run better, but the aforementioned statement does go for many PC games duing the time of release. Infact in some cases the bugs and optimization are so bad that some PC games are basically unplaylable during the time of release. You don't see such travesty on the consoles and if you do it's usually the abysmal console games. Quite some good PC games suffer from these issues so it's not a small issue.

nameless12345

Tha said, it's very rare these days to see an anticipated game being released in unplayable state. At most this happens once, maybe twice a year, so while there's still a big problem with polish it's nowhere near as bad as it used to be.

One of the things I do feel where consoles have the advantage is that console games generally aren't as bugged and poorly optimized as some PC games are.

nameless12345

PC bashing high this week.

At least one PC we can get updates from MOD community and official developers. Console games are buggy as well and the only one updating it are the developers. :|

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One of the things I do feel where consoles have the advantage is that console games generally aren't as bugged and poorly optimized as some PC games are. I do realize that there are patches and after some time (sometime months) certain PC games de become much more polished and run better, but the aforementioned statement does go for many PC games duing the time of release. Infact in some cases the bugs and optimization are so bad that some PC games are basically unplaylable during the time of release. You don't see such travesty on the consoles and if you do it's usually the abysmal console games. Quite some good PC games suffer from these issues so it's not a small issue.

AdrianWerner

Well that's debatable. I'd agree indie PC games are pretty innovative but so are indie console games. As for higher-budget games I have to say I see much more AAA innovative console games in the works than PC exclusive AAAs. But that's my opinion.

Well that's debatable. I'd agree indie PC games are pretty innovative but so are indie console games. As for higher-budget games I have to say I see much more AAA innovative console games in the works than PC exclusive AAAs. But that's my opinion.

nameless12345

The "so buggy they're unplayable" titles on PC are most of the time like that because of their ambitions. Devs try to reach extremely high and then fall flat on their faces. You don't really see this in console games.

Btw..I also think you are wrong about "many pc games are horribly bugged". In reality few of them are, while you make it sound like it's a common occurence.

List of all buggy Pc games please. Id like to see it.

Could you provide a list of 'buggy beyond playable @release' pc games?... I can't really recall them, or all that many.Inconsistancy

Like I said, writing a long list would make no sense but I do know GTA IV was very poorly optimized during release and same goes for some other games which include the likes of Arma 2, Birds of Prey and so on.

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Well that's debatable. I'd agree indie PC games are pretty innovative but so are indie console games. As for higher-budget games I have to say I see much more AAA innovative console games in the works than PC exclusive AAAs. But that's my opinion.

AdrianWerner

Heavy Rain is not a ambitious title? How so?

Heavy Rain is not a ambitious title? How so?

nameless12345

List of all buggy Pc games please. Id like to see it.

Ikuto_Tsukiyomi

That list would be too huge to write down but since you insist here are some:

- Ultima IX

- Everquest 2

- Gothic 3

- The Witcher (yes, it was a buggy mess during release)

- Oblivion and Fallout 3 (can't beat Bethesda when it comes to bugs)

- Arma 2 and Arma series in general

- GTA IV (really poor optimization)

- Vietcong 2 (horrible optimization, bugs)

- Crysis (yes, it was poorly optimized no matter how pretty it was)

- the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series

ect. ect.

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]Could you provide a list of 'buggy beyond playable @release' pc games?... I can't really recall them, or all that many.nameless12345

Like I said, writing a long list would make no sense but I do know GTA IV was very poorly optimized during release and same goes for some other games which include the likes of Arma 2, Birds of Prey and so on.

GTA and Arma run fine now and Birds of Prey is a console game. I assume you mean Wings of Prey which makes no sense because that game runs fantastically and looks amazing.

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Heavy Rain is not a ambitious title? How so?

AdrianWerner

Well then take a look at console games like Okamiden, Ascension of Metatron, The Last Guardian, ect.

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[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]Could you provide a list of 'buggy beyond playable @release' pc games?... I can't really recall them, or all that many.agpickle

Like I said, writing a long list would make no sense but I do know GTA IV was very poorly optimized during release and same goes for some other games which include the likes of Arma 2, Birds of Prey and so on.

GTA and Arma run fine now and Birds of Prey is a console game. I assume you mean Wings of Prey which makes no sense because that game runs fantastically and looks amazing.

I ment Cliffs of Dover, my mistake.

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[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]Could you provide a list of 'buggy beyond playable @release' pc games?... I can't really recall them, or all that many.agpickle

Like I said, writing a long list would make no sense but I do know GTA IV was very poorly optimized during release and same goes for some other games which include the likes of Arma 2, Birds of Prey and so on.

GTA and Arma run fine now

I beg to differ. They're still "lag-fests" for me. I may not have a great PC but I'd expect better.

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]Could you provide a list of 'buggy beyond playable @release' pc games?... I can't really recall them, or all that many.nameless12345

Like I said, writing a long list would make no sense but I do know GTA IV was very poorly optimized during release and same goes for some other games which include the likes of Arma 2, Birds of Prey and so on.

That's true, but some are very well optimized and not buggy at all. Valve games for example, they can run on the worst computers and tend to be very bug free.

Of course the biggest issue I always had was that PC gaming seemed to allow laziness in developers, knowing they can patch when they want. Its annoying that it hapens with consoles, but at least the process it takes to make a patch forces them to try, and at the very least you cane xpect those patches to be automatically added for EVERY game and not just some.

Honestly, all platforms have their issues, PC gaming isn't invincible from a swath of unique problems either.

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List of all buggy Pc games please. Id like to see it.

nameless12345

That list would be too huge to write down but since you insist here are some:

- Ultima IX

- Everquest 2

- Gothic 3

- The Witcher (yes, it was a buggy mess during release)

- Oblivion and Fallout 3 (can't beat Bethesda when it comes to bugs)

- Arma 2 and Arma series in general

- GTA IV (really poor optimization)

- Vietcong 2 (horrible optimization, bugs)

- Crysis (yes, it was poorly optimized no matter how pretty it was)

- the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series

ect. ect.

That's true, but some are very well optimized and not buggy at all. Valve games for example, they can run on the worst computers and tend to be very bug free.

Of course the biggest issue I always had was that PC gaming seemed to allow laziness in developers, knowing they can patch when they want. Its annoying that it hapens with consoles, but at least the process it takes to make a patch forces them to try, and at the very least you cane xpect those patches to be automatically added for EVERY game and not just some.

Honestly, all platforms have their issues, PC gaming isn't invincible from a swath of unique problems either.

SPYDER0416

I agree. Bad Company 2 is one example. But then again, all DICE games are poorly written and filled with bugs.

Of course the biggest issue I always had was that PC gaming seemed to allow laziness in developers, knowing they can patch when they want.

SPYDER0416

of course the nature of pc market allows it. Since games sell for years and are often acompanied by add-ons (which allows for nifty re-releases) the final success of failure of the game depends less on it's launch period performance than it does on consoles.

I agree. Bad Company 2 is one example. But then again, all DICE games are poorly written and filled with bugs.

USBxDVD

Well then take a look at console games like Okamiden, Ascension of Metatron, The Last Guardian, ect.nameless12345

That list would be too huge to write down but since you insist here are some:

- Ultima IX

- Everquest 2

- Gothic 3

- The Witcher (yes, it was a buggy mess during release)

- Oblivion and Fallout 3 (can't beat Bethesda when it comes to bugs)

- Arma 2 and Arma series in general

- GTA IV (really poor optimization)

- Vietcong 2 (horrible optimization, bugs)

- Crysis (yes, it was poorly optimized no matter how pretty it was)

- the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series

nameless12345

Bethesda games are buggy across all platforms. Difference is, on PC the bugs actually get fixed, not in the least thanks to an ambitious community. The PC versions of Fallout: New Vegas and Fallout 3 are buggy, yes, but the console versions are worse.

Grand Theft Auto IV demands a powerful rig, yes, but it's not as bad as some make it out to be. Even on my old rig, with a dual core AMD 5200+ and a 8800GT, the game ran better than on consoles, and that's hardly a powerhouse of a PC.

Some people argue that Crysis is very unoptimized. I like to think that it simply does things that almost no other game can, and at a huge scale. Of course it's going to be demanding. It's the best looking game on the planet for the past four years, and not without reason.

As for the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series, I believe that is once again a case of developers wanting a little too much, like AdrianWerner pointed out. Take the scale into consideration, and the fact that it's quite a unique franchise that deals with a lot of things not seen in other games. That said, I've never had any problems running the games.

Bottom line is, a game has to be really, and I mean really, badly optimized for it to run worse than on consoles, on a decent PC. What people seem to forget is that console standards are incredibly low. 1280x720 and 30 frames per second is usually the deal, and it takes one hell of a lazy port (I've never seen one to that degree) to drag a decent PC to its knees while trying to achieve those feats in modern games. That, and on the PC, you can rely on third party support for fixing broken games, while on consoles, well, you're stuck with a broken game until the developers decide to remedy the issue.

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List of all buggy Pc games please. Id like to see it.

nameless12345

That list would be too huge to write down but since you insist here are some:

- Ultima IX - This came out in like the 90s, right? Don't you think it's kind of irrelevant? But yeah it was buggy.

- Everquest 2 - Didn't play.

- Gothic 3 - Yeah, that was too bad.

- The Witcher (yes, it was a buggy mess during release) - Yup

- Oblivion and Fallout 3 (can't beat Bethesda when it comes to bugs) - Which is worse on consoles

- Arma 2 and Arma series in general - Eh, it's hard to run, but it looks good and the scope is large. It could be better though.

- GTA IV (really poor optimization) - Yeah, but the consoles aren't exactly good either. Really the big thing with it is you pretty much need a quad core.

- Vietcong 2 (horrible optimization, bugs) - I haven't played this.

- Crysis (yes, it was poorly optimized no matter how pretty it was) - It could've ran better, but it was a pretty huge leap forward at the time.

- the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series - Yeah, they're pretty buggy and don't look that great unmodded. If you waited until the complete mod came out however, it's much better.

ect. ect.

You also have to take into account that there's more games on pc, so you're going to see more buggy games just because of the amount of them. But I do think that console games are, in general, less buggy.

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I agree. Bad Company 2 is one example. But then again, all DICE games are poorly written and filled with bugs.

AdrianWerner

But it used the Unreal engine. It would be a great shame if that game was riddled with bugs.

Yep, MW2 was so flawlessly polished, not a single bug in the whole game.

Just look at Starcraft 2 instead, they even have to release patches for it.

Just look at Starcraft 2 instead, they even have to release patches for it.

Mograine

Console games are not getting patches? Of course Starcraft 2 is getting patches, it's a freaking highly competitive game. The devs should constantly keep an eye on it because most of the balancing issues are only brought to light after millions play it over and over again. Starcraft 2 getting continuous support from Blizzard is not a bad thing at all.

Console games are not getting patches? Of course Starcraft 2 is getting patches, it's a freaking highly competitive game. The devs should constantly keep an eye on it because most of the balancing issues are only brought to light after millions play it over and over again. Starcraft 2 getting continuous support from Blizzard is not a bad thing at all.

edidili

Look at my avatar and feel sorry for what you said.

Yep, MW2 was so flawlessly polished, not a single bug in the whole game.

Just look at Starcraft 2 instead, they even have to release patches for it.

Mograine

As much as I hate MW2, I gotta admit that game was damn polished. Its really a toss up between MW2 and Uncharted 2. Ive never played a game as perfect as those two.

- Crysis (yes, it was poorly optimized no matter how pretty it was)

nameless12345

That's bs. Crysis is just not a 2007 game that's all. I would agree if it looks like crap but the game it's still one of the most advanced technological games even in 2011. It just looks amazing even 4 years later.

And btw Bethesda games are much worse on consoles. They actually got fixed on the PC.

List of all buggy Pc games please. Id like to see it.

Ikuto_Tsukiyomi

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List of all buggy Pc games please. Id like to see it.

nameless12345

That list would be too huge to write down but since you insist here are some:

- Ultima IX - dunno

- Everquest 2 - dunno

- Gothic 3 - heard it was buggy

- The Witcher (yes, it was a buggy mess during release) - indeed, but it got fixed

- Oblivion and Fallout 3 (can't beat Bethesda when it comes to bugs) - PC version got fixed by bethesda and mods, consoles didnt

- Arma 2 and Arma series in general - Arma 2 is poorly optimized when you put many AI on screen and its a bit buggy

- GTA IV (really poor optimization) - indeed

- Vietcong 2 (horrible optimization, bugs) - dunno

- Crysis (yes, it was poorly optimized no matter how pretty it was) - it was not poorly optimized, you have no idea what your talking about, poorly optimized is Metro 2033 or Witcher 2, since they are linear corridor games compared to Crysis's open huge enviroment

- the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series - was fixed by patches and mods, Stalker COP is unoptimized in DX11

ect. ect.

Crysis 1 (the game may feature whatever you want to say, I don't care, I think its horribly optimized)

GTA IV

Call of Duty: Black Ops

F1 2010

just to name a few

Crysis 1 (the game may feature whatever you want to say, I don't care, I think its horribly optimized)

markko84

Show me a game that has the same scale, destructibility, physics, explosions, realism, night/day cycle, vehicles. Show me a game that has the same visual fidelity as Crysis does while running better and then I may believe you. Remember that it shouldn't have dx11 because when Crysis released that thing wasn't around yet.

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Crysis 1 (the game may feature whatever you want to say, I don't care, I think its horribly optimized)

edidili

Show me a game that has the same scale, destructibility, physics, explosions, realism, night/day cycle, vehicles. Show me a game that has the same visual fidelity as Crysis does while running better and then I may believe you. Remember that it shouldn't have dx11 because when Crysis released that thing wasn't around yet.

Yep. Crysis was far too ambitious for it's own good at that time. Pushing the development that far ahead are bound to be obstructed by poor optimization/gameplay issues.

Crysis was demanding because it was the most technically accomplished game of its day--and not just in terms of graphics. Storing the entire island in memory--complete with active AI and everything--doesn't come cheap. Crysis is remembered most for its graphics that are still outstanding to this day, but it was about much more than shiny visuals.

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Crysis 1 (the game may feature whatever you want to say, I don't care, I think its horribly optimized)

harshv82

Show me a game that has the same scale, destructibility, physics, explosions, realism, night/day cycle, vehicles. Show me a game that has the same visual fidelity as Crysis does while running better and then I may believe you. Remember that it shouldn't have dx11 because when Crysis released that thing wasn't around yet.

Yep. Crysis was far too ambitious for it's own good at that time. Pushing the development that far ahead are bound to be obstructed by poor optimization/gameplay issues.

I believe every generation needs a game like Crysis, one that is way too ambitious for its time. It gives a big push to hardware evolution. If there is no demand there is no progress.