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#151 deangallop
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This thread is a gold mine for hilarity.

First is the fact that the two games are the fathest thing from each other, a RTS that takes tons of stratagy and skill, and a expertly made platformer from Nintendo.

Then we get ze higher standardzz argument, that's always a good laugh.

Now we get to watch people argue over wether a 10 from gamespot means a game is truely better than a 9.5. It's just an opinion guys calm down, I wouldn't even give demon souls a 7 let alone GOTY.

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#152 foxhound_fox
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if SC2 or RDR win then my theory is wrong and its easy a 9.5 is not a 10 i mean thats a given.

so far every AAAAE that ran won GOTY MGS4 was a AAAAE and beat GTA4 which was another 10 but it wasnt exclusive so that right there is proof enough

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Firstly, I already told you about Demon's Souls, and its winning over a higher-scoring game, which gives much less reason to accept your theory as correct. Secondly, GTAIV lost to MGS4, both games being 10, which also undermines your point, because GS could have brought back the "joint" GOTY to give it to both of them, for being so great. Lastly, nothing you've shown is something that could be considered "proof" in any sense of the word; all you are going on is the fact there is a correlation between games that score 10 and win GOTY, however, most years games don't score 10 and often there are games that win that score less than others, showing that the GOTY has more to do with other things rather than score.

We'll have to see by years end... but I can almost guarantee you it won't be SMG2 winning GOTY. Especially when there is already a ton of great games already out and many more on the horizon... many that could be surprise hits just like Demon's Souls.

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#153 ActicEdge
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I'm so disgusted by this score whoring. Who cares? 9.5, 10 it doesn't friggin matter. They are both amazing games deserving of GOTY, that's all that matters. further more, comparing a platformer to a RTS, really?

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#154 usule
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[QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

Yup...let's compare a Platformer/Adventure game with an RTS.

AmnesiaHaze

im not comparing games but scores :)

[/QUOTE What about comparing playtime ;) Starcraft 2 will be played over and over for many years to come, most of people playing SMG2 stop when they finish the game...
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#155 Birdy09
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Hmmm, oh yes, a 10-15 hour platformer with no real story, even less characters, nothing changing... Compared to a 30-60 hour (including unlocks) story driven campaign, with single and coop skirmish modes, oh and then the largely competitive online that will last years? the score "10" is pile of crap and is no comparison for games.
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#156 Filthybastrd
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It's common knowledge that you have to double PC game scores when comparing them to console games.

19 >10

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#157 usule
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This thread is a gold mine for hilarity.

First is the fact that the two games are the fathest thing from each other, a RPG that takes tons of stratagy and skill, and a expertly made platformer from Nintendo.

Then we get ze higher standardzz argument, that's always a good laugh.

Now we get to watch people argue over wether a 10 from gamespot means a game is truely better than a 9.5. It's just an opinion guys calm down, I wouldn't even give demon souls a 7 let alone GOTY.

deangallop
Starcraft 2 a rpg, news to me...
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#158 -Snooze-
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This thread is a gold mine for hilarity.

First is the fact that the two games are the fathest thing from each other, a RPG that takes tons of stratagy and skill, and a expertly made platformer from Nintendo.

Then we get ze higher standardzz argument, that's always a good laugh.

Now we get to watch people argue over wether a 10 from gamespot means a game is truely better than a 9.5. It's just an opinion guys calm down, I wouldn't even give demon souls a 7 let alone GOTY.

deangallop

We Acknowledge That New Games Do Not Exist In a Vacuum

Each game we review exists in a competitive environment. That is, a game always has direct or indirect competition from other, possibly very similar games, which causes the game in question to be held to a higher standard. In other words, while technical merits are generally particular to a specific gaming platform, we believe that certain collective, universal standards also exist. GameSpot editors are expected to be familiar with current games on all platforms, in order to maintain an acute sense of global standards for gaming at all times.

There we have it. Standards argument. As i said before, Mario would have been rated lower on the PC due it's presentation. The standard of presentation on the PC is far higher.

The gameplay part of it would fit into the "universal standard" part. Many would say Mario is unrivalled when it comes to platforming, regardless of the platform.

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#159 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="AmnesiaHaze"]

[QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

Yup...let's compare a Platformer/Adventure game with an RTS.

usule

im not comparing games but scores :)

[/QUOTE What about comparing playtime ;) Starcraft 2 will be played over and over for many years to come, most of people playing SMG2 stop when they finish the game...

That's what you do in basically all platformers. Forgive me but a 50 hour platformer is not something that is appealing.

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#160 surrealnumber5
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It's common knowledge that you have to double PC game scores when comparing them to console games.

19 >10

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dont forget you have to cut a mario games score in half to get its true SW score
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#161 deangallop
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[QUOTE="deangallop"]

This thread is a gold mine for hilarity.

First is the fact that the two games are the fathest thing from each other, a RPG that takes tons of stratagy and skill, and a expertly made platformer from Nintendo.

Then we get ze higher standardzz argument, that's always a good laugh.

Now we get to watch people argue over wether a 10 from gamespot means a game is truely better than a 9.5. It's just an opinion guys calm down, I wouldn't even give demon souls a 7 let alone GOTY.

usule
Starcraft 2 a rpg, news to me...

Simple mix up.
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#162 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="deangallop"]

This thread is a gold mine for hilarity.

First is the fact that the two games are the fathest thing from each other, a RPG that takes tons of stratagy and skill, and a expertly made platformer from Nintendo.

Then we get ze higher standardzz argument, that's always a good laugh.

Now we get to watch people argue over wether a 10 from gamespot means a game is truely better than a 9.5. It's just an opinion guys calm down, I wouldn't even give demon souls a 7 let alone GOTY.

-Snooze-

We Acknowledge That New Games Do Not Exist In a Vacuum

Each game we review exists in a competitive environment. That is, a game always has direct or indirect competition from other, possibly very similar games, which causes the game in question to be held to a higher standard. In other words, while technical merits are generally particular to a specific gaming platform, we believe that certain collective, universal standards also exist. GameSpot editors are expected to be familiar with current games on all platforms, in order to maintain an acute sense of global standards for gaming at all times.

There we have it. Standards argument. As i said before, Mario would have been rated lower on the PC due it's presentation. The standard of presentation on the PC is far higher.

The gameplay part of it would fit into the "universal standard" part. Many would say Mario is unrivalled when it comes to platforming, regardless of the platform.

That is not even fair logic either. SMG2 was created on the Wii and its a Wii game. If it was created on another system certain aspects would scale with said platform despite the fact that the SMG series has fantastic presentation :o

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#163 kontejner44
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[QUOTE="kontejner44"]

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

UC2 not game of the year material despite winning hundreds of awards ... Ok sir. Comparing MGS to UC just cause they both have nice cutscenes? Ok ...

I guess SC2 isnt GOTY material either, it hasnt innovated, it's just the best of its kind ... Mario galaxyisn't innovative either, so that must mean Mario Galaxy 2 has no chance ...

GOTY is best game of the year, not most innovative, or crap like Flower would win. Gamespot reviewers all take a vote on which game they thought was the best, so even if one reviewer think UC2 is the best game ever 9.5. the others may disagree, hence demons souls winning. (rightfully)

-Snooze-

I didn't say that UC2 wasn't GOTY material, because it didn't innovate. I meant it more as a comparison with the lineup of other years nominees, it wouldn't have stand a chance in any other year this gen, maybe 2006.

UC2 is the best game of 2009 hands down, it won by default.

But GS reasoning behind their GOTY 09 was acceptable.

Idk if you actually read posts in threads you go into but I said that SC2 and SMG2 are the ones who are worthy of GOTY 2010 so far.

What you say, and what you type contradict themselves

"Demon Souls won because UC2 wasn't GOTY material, it was just the best game by default and did NOTHING new"

What does Mario Galaxy 2 do new? And UC2 did quite a bit different to UC1, not mentioning the added multiplayer ...

What does SC2 do new? Not a whole lot. It's refined the formla of SC1 changed some units and improved graphics (To be expected from an old game)

It's not a contradiction as everything is relative.

"UC2 is not GOTY material" simply means that if it was released in any other year this gen, it wouldn't have gotten GOTY.

... That's why, it was kinda ok considering all the circumstances, to give GOTY to something that GS thought was more fun and innovating rather than to the better game in terms of quality.

SMG2 does new stuff, in different ways, though it's pointless to discuss.

Just think this; SMG won GOTY 2007 and SMG2 exceeded expectations. That's the general consensus amongst reviewers.

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#164 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="kontejner44"]

I didn't say that UC2 wasn't GOTY material, because it didn't innovate. I meant it more as a comparison with the lineup of other years nominees, it wouldn't have stand a chance in any other year this gen, maybe 2006.

UC2 is the best game of 2009 hands down, it won by default.

But GS reasoning behind their GOTY 09 was acceptable.

Idk if you actually read posts in threads you go into but I said that SC2 and SMG2 are the ones who are worthy of GOTY 2010 so far.

kontejner44

What you say, and what you type contradict themselves

"Demon Souls won because UC2 wasn't GOTY material, it was just the best game by default and did NOTHING new"

What does Mario Galaxy 2 do new? And UC2 did quite a bit different to UC1, not mentioning the added multiplayer ...

What does SC2 do new? Not a whole lot. It's refined the formla of SC1 changed some units and improved graphics (To be expected from an old game)

It's not a contradiction as everything is relative.

"UC2 is not GOTY material" simply means that if it was released in any other year this gen, it wouldn't have gotten GOTY.

... That's why, it was kinda ok considering all the circumstances, to give GOTY to something that GS thought was more fun and innovating rather than to the better game in terms of quality.

SMG2 does new stuff, in different ways, though it's pointless to discuss.

Just think this; SMG won GOTY 2007 and SMG2 exceeded expectations. That's the general consensus amongst reviewers.

i love statements that are groundless and meaningless statements like ""UC2 is not GOTY material" simply means that if it was released in any other year this gen, it wouldn't have gotten GOTY." i mean really now? what supports this theory of yours?
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