Mario is milked.

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="Arbiterisl33t69"] *should have.Arbiterisl33t69

is it really? wow didnt know that and i just had english class lol

"I could care less"

^

That one makes my blood boil. People tend to use the phrase in a snobby way, not realizing they look like total fools.

Sorry, they were just trying to get into your pants.Androvinus

:(

They succeeded

Its funny because all of the different genres of mario games are milked within themselvesAndrovinus

No offence TC but what was your first clue when you saw Mario Tennis?

No offence TC but what was your first clue when you saw Mario Tenis?

Joedgabe

[QUOTE="Androvinus"]Its funny because all of the different genres of mario games are milked within themselvesWilly105

I'm glad we got 3 Mario platformers on consoles this gen. NSMBW was great and the Galaxy titles were outstanding. Especially SMG2!

No offence TC but what was your first clue when you saw Mario Tennis?

Joedgabe

Well no wonder they think you're funny then. :Pgetyeryayasout

also millerlight is a bitter fuсk :cool:

I think you're funny now too. I'll keep my hands to myself though. :)getyeryayasout

Well thank you for both those statements.

[QUOTE="getyeryayasout"]I think you're funny now too. I'll keep my hands to myself though. :)waltefmoney

Well thank you for both those statements.

I think you're funny. Pick you up around 8ish?

I think you're funny. Pick you up around 8ish?

sandbox3d

Deal.

[QUOTE="getyeryayasout"]Well no wonder they think you're funny then. :Pwaltefmoney

also millerlight is a bitter fuсk :cool:

I keep hearing Mario is milked. "Nintendo just uses same characters over and over..." stuff like that. But could we stop and think about what a "Mario game" is? Think about how many different types of genres we get that use the Mario character...

2D Platformer

3D platformer

RPG

Racing

Party games

So sure the Mario character is milked but whose to say that's a bad thing? There is a huge variety of "Mario" games that are all very different from eachother. Hell, even in the same genres, Mario games can be hugely different. The Mario and Luigi Series and the Paper Mario series both share some common elements but are pretty different in alot of ways. Not only that, but Mario games innovate in their respective genres. (See Super Mario Galaxy.)

So, yeah, Mario, as a character, is milked. However, the games he's in are various and many. And how is that a bad thing?

turtlethetaffer

If you call annoyed by dumbass people like you bitter, then sure. millerlight89

You're not annoyed, you're a goddamn crybaby.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]If you call annoyed by dumbass people like you bitter, then sure. waltefmoney

You're not annoyed, you're a goddamn crybaby.

I don't think so, but that's your opinion. Stupidity does make me sad, and it runs rampant through you. So maybe you are right. millerlight89

No argument here.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]if mario is milked, then please, fetch me some more of that milk.turtlethetaffer

That was what I was trying to say...

GameSpot approved nasty milk.Haziqonfire

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]If you call annoyed by dumbass people like you bitter, then sure. waltefmoney

You're not annoyed, you're a goddamn crybaby.

Mario is awesome and the one who saved the game industry from the crash in 83. And he is a legend and the number one video game icon.

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="Arbiterisl33t69"] *should have.Arbiterisl33t69

is it really? wow didnt know that and i just had english class lol

srry man ill remember that now lol

And yet each one of those has 5 versions of the same game with minor differences, like 9 mario parties and 7 mario karts which have not improved at ALL. If the Variety is spammed than the variety isn't really there.Last-Resort

Of course, this isn't true.

This is what happens when people only hear that Mario is being milked, and have no idea what those games actually are.

[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="Androvinus"]Its funny because all of the different genres of mario games are milked within themselvessandbox3d

I'm glad we got 3 Mario platformers on consoles this gen. NSMBW was great and the Galaxy titles were outstanding. Especially SMG2!

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

[QUOTE="Willy105"] Before this generation, each genre got only *one* game per generation (with the exception of Mario Party). One game per generation is not milking, it's starvation.Last-Resort

I'm glad we got 3 Mario platformers on consoles this gen. NSMBW was great and the Galaxy titles were outstanding. Especially SMG2!

Why?

It wasn't nostalgia, since nostalgia makes people's opinions of new games worse than they really are; and it wasn't fanboyism, since the game got perfect scores from nearly every review site and became the second best reviewed game this generation.

I thought SMG1 was better though.

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"]And yet each one of those has 5 versions of the same game with minor differences, like 9 mario parties and 7 mario karts which have not improved at ALL. If the Variety is spammed than the variety isn't really there.Willy105

Of course, this isn't true.

This is what happens when people only hear that Mario is being milked, and have no idea what those games actually are.

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"]And yet each one of those has 5 versions of the same game with minor differences, like 9 mario parties and 7 mario karts which have not improved at ALL. If the Variety is spammed than the variety isn't really there.Last-Resort

Of course, this isn't true.

This is what happens when people only hear that Mario is being milked, and have no idea what those games actually are.

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"][QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

I'm glad we got 3 Mario platformers on consoles this gen. NSMBW was great and the Galaxy titles were outstanding. Especially SMG2!

Willy105

Why?

It wasn't nostalgia, since nostalgia makes people's opinions of new games worse than they really are; and it wasn't fanboyism, since the game got perfect scores from nearly every review site and became the second best reviewed game this generation.

I thought SMG1 was better though.

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"][QUOTE="Willy105"]Of course, this isn't true.This is what happens when people only hear that Mario is being milked, and have no idea what those games actually are.Willy105

Yet, if this was released in place of Sunshine it would have been universally panned for repetition and being linear. Because other peoples opinions matter more than your own. Because reviews are facts. Because the large lack of variety in genres (mainstream) this gen had nothing to do with it. The lack of quality games also had nothing to do with it. A lot of reviewers though its concept was original, which is false. it barely improves from the first game at all. It still has the lack of precise control platforming. t ads Yoshi riding to gain nostalgia, which even reviewers state in their reviews. Fans of Mario will overhype every Mario game and defend them (Main series) ignoring a lot of flaws and slashing other games for having less of the same problems. If you had the same game, and replaces Mario, then it would get points lower. If the game was co-developed by Sega (they have worked with Nintendo games this gen and helped publish) it would probably lose points for not having original Mario appeal if Nintendo had made it. And it goes on. Nostalgia or Fanboyism for SMG2, choose one.Last-Resort

What logic or reasoning is there for thinking that if SMG2 was released in place of Sunshine, it would be panned for repetition and linearity? None. SMG2 coming out in 2002 would have been a far bigger deal than when SMG1 came out in 2007 (which won a ton of GOTY awards, including Gamespot's). It's like arguing that people from medieval times would not have been impressed by airplanes, since they are entitled to their opinion!

Also, variety in today's games have expanded exponentaly since the previous generation. From Wii to Kinect, DS to iPhone, indie games and casual games, diversity in games have exploded this gen. Sure, we still have games like Call of Duty this gen; but everything was like Call of Duty last gen.

Your view of Mario games and reviewers is warped and poor. If a Mario game came out without the Mario game, it would not have the hype it gets, therefore ending in people liking it a lot more. Because it has Mario in the title, it's harder for the game to be recieved well, because people always want to compare to their fantasy memories of how the old games were.

If Sega had made it, then it would probably wouldn't have been as good as if Nintendo made it, since Sega's devs are not as good developers as Nintendo's are.

Nostalgia or fanboyism for yourself, choose one or both.

If you played the spin-offs and have a brain, you will knw this: 1. Most barely add anything. 2. They do the AC brother hoodway of doing things, take a game with problems, add more stuff and think the problems will magically dissapear. 3. A lot have no effort put in them and offer things like cross-overs or fanservice (the other kind, not the FFX-2 kind.) 4. Quite a few that sell well sell because Mario is involved, or Nintendo Characters, and similar games that don't will get bashed for problems the ones mentioned have although the games similar have these problems less or happen less frequently. 5. Some reuse engines.Last-Resort

1. They add a ton of stuff to each game, from new mechanics, new characters, new places, new music, new concepts, new graphics, and more depending on the game.

2. The games use new engines and are rebuilt for each generation (since there is usually only one per generation, that means each game uses a new engine). They don't just take a game and add stuff to it, and if they do, they make it part of it's selling point (like for Majora's Mask and Super Mario Galaxy 2).

3. Mario games have an incredible amount of effort put to them, either because the developer cares about the game, or because Nintendo forces them to (they are dealing with their IP, so they regulate the game immensly).

4. Your fourth point made no sense, but I will assume you are saying that Nintendo doesn't bother with quality games because they sell so much; which is obviously not true and the exact opposite: Nintendo relies on word of mouth, and that requires a game good enough to make people want to tell their friends to buy it. That is why games like Mario Kart Wii have sold 30 million units.

5. See #2.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Fire burns.

BullyRay44

Glad you finally saw the light :)

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"] Yet, if this was released in place of Sunshine it would have been universally panned for repetition and being linear. Because other peoples opinions matter more than your own. Because reviews are facts. Because the large lack of variety in genres (mainstream) this gen had nothing to do with it. The lack of quality games also had nothing to do with it. A lot of reviewers though its concept was original, which is false. it barely improves from the first game at all. It still has the lack of precise control platforming. t ads Yoshi riding to gain nostalgia, which even reviewers state in their reviews. Fans of Mario will overhype every Mario game and defend them (Main series) ignoring a lot of flaws and slashing other games for having less of the same problems. If you had the same game, and replaces Mario, then it would get points lower. If the game was co-developed by Sega (they have worked with Nintendo games this gen and helped publish) it would probably lose points for not having original Mario appeal if Nintendo had made it. And it goes on. Nostalgia or Fanboyism for SMG2, choose one.Willy105

What logic or reasoning is there for thinking that if SMG2 was released in place of Sunshine, it would be panned for repetition and linearity? None. SMG2 coming out in 2002 would have been a far bigger deal than when SMG1 came out in 2007 (which won a ton of GOTY awards, including Gamespot's). It's like arguing that people from medieval times would not have been impressed by airplanes, since they are entitled to their opinion!

Also, variety in today's games have expanded exponentaly since the previous generation. From Wii to Kinect, DS to iPhone, indie games and casual games, diversity in games have exploded this gen. Sure, we still have games like Call of Duty this gen; but everything was like Call of Duty last gen.

Your view of Mario games and reviewers is warped and poor. If a Mario game came out without the Mario game, it would not have the hype it gets, therefore ending in people liking it a lot more. Because it has Mario in the title, it's harder for the game to be recieved well, because people always want to compare to their fantasy memories of how the old games were.

If Sega had made it, then it would probably wouldn't have been as good as if Nintendo made it, since Sega's devs are not as good developers as Nintendo's are.

Nostalgia or fanboyism for yourself, choose one or both.

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"] If you played the spin-offs and have a brain, you will knw this: 1. Most barely add anything. 2. They do the AC brother hoodway of doing things, take a game with problems, add more stuff and think the problems will magically dissapear. 3. A lot have no effort put in them and offer things like cross-overs or fanservice (the other kind, not the FFX-2 kind.) 4. Quite a few that sell well sell because Mario is involved, or Nintendo Characters, and similar games that don't will get bashed for problems the ones mentioned have although the games similar have these problems less or happen less frequently. 5. Some reuse engines.Willy105

1. They add a ton of stuff to each game, from new mechanics, new characters, new places, new music, new concepts, new graphics, and more depending on the game.

2. The games use new engines and are rebuilt for each generation (since there is usually only one per generation, that means each game uses a new engine). They don't just take a game and add stuff to it, and if they do, they make it part of it's selling point (like for Majora's Mask and Super Mario Galaxy 2).

3. Mario games have an incredible amount of effort put to them, either because the developer cares about the game, or because Nintendo forces them to (they are dealing with their IP, so they regulate the game immensly).

4. Your fourth point made no sense, but I will assume you are saying that Nintendo doesn't bother with quality games because they sell so much; which is obviously not true and the exact opposite: Nintendo relies on word of mouth, and that requires a game good enough to make people want to tell their friends to buy it. That is why games like Mario Kart Wii have sold 30 million units.

5. See #2.

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"] Nostaliga or Fanboyism on SMG 2, choose one.Last-Resort

Why?

It wasn't nostalgia, since nostalgia makes people's opinions of new games worse than they really are; and it wasn't fanboyism, since the game got perfect scores from nearly every review site and became the second best reviewed game this generation.

I thought SMG1 was better though.

Gotta love it when fanboys make up scenarios in their head in order to justify their delusional opinions

Mario is in no way milked. The games are varied and interesting and they grow and expand each game.

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

Why?

It wasn't nostalgia, since nostalgia makes people's opinions of new games worse than they really are; and it wasn't fanboyism, since the game got perfect scores from nearly every review site and became the second best reviewed game this generation.

I thought SMG1 was better though.

Shinobishyguy

Gotta love it when fanboys make up scenarios in their head in order to justify their delusional opinions

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"] Yet, if this was released in place of Sunshine it would have been universally panned for repetition and being linear.Last-Resort

Gotta love it when fanboys make up scenarios in their head in order to justify their delusional opinions

So what? It doesn't change the fact mario as a franchised is probably the most milked in existance.

everyone knows that, mario is the most milked series out there, but they keep the game fresh so can't be made at em

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]Gotta love it when fanboys make up scenarios in their head in order to justify their delusional opinionsShinobishyguy

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Last-Resort"] So what am I a fan of if I am fanboy? Last-Resort

You making up these "what if" scenarios just shows how far you're willing to go to rationalize your ridiculous notions