Mario is milked.

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Last-Resort"] So what am I a fan of if I am fanboy? Shinobishyguy

You making up these "what if" scenarios just shows how far you're willing to go to rationalize your ridiculous notions

It's also arguably the most diverse, varied, and highest quality franchise in the industry, so I can't complain.meetroid8

It's also arguably the most diverse, varied, and highest quality franchise in the industry, so I can't complain.meetroid8

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"] I'm sorry, would you prefer the term moron?Last-Resort

You making up these "what if" scenarios just shows how far you're willing to go to rationalize your ridiculous notions

[/QUOTE No, because it really isn't. So how come barely anyone mentions flaws in the gen real consensus excuse you keep using and then unish games for flaws that SMG has but ignore it? Why did most of the Mario fanbase that were already Mario fans before the Wiis Casualization barely by either SMG game? Why did SMG 2 do things that Sunshine was panned for, and was suggested doing it again would be bad, but it did, and it's fine now? (Like linear levels?) Seems odd to most people with a functioning cranium. Also, I guess I can call you a moron since apparently Opinions of 10 people are worth more than your own and is enough for you to imply the game is FACTUALLY good when that's not true.

alright, it's getting to the point where your arguments are just turning into jumbled messes so I'll spare you the trouble and break it down for ya.

.The games are amazing

.almost everyone agrees

.structured linearity in a platformer isn't bad and makes for alot of variety in levels

.deal with it

So is many other game franchises out there.

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] So wait, I am a moron yet you are the one who have called me a fanboy now use the closet hiding tactic? Again? Seems you're the moron. But what baffles me is the fact linearity in a lot of levels and side levels were panned in Sunshine as well as some other things SMG2 did that was panned in Sunshine, which obviously means that if SMG2 was released instead of Sunshine, SMG2 would have done far worse. You deny this and call names because? It's clear as water that SMG2 would have failed in its current form last gen. No way around it. Most of its praise this gen is artificial. Or not based on objective reasons. I mean why are you trying so hard to defend a companies actions when not all of them are right? Obsession is something you shouldn't be moving towards.Shinobishyguy

You making up these "what if" scenarios just shows how far you're willing to go to rationalize your ridiculous notions

[/QUOTE No, because it really isn't. So how come barely anyone mentions flaws in the gen real consensus excuse you keep using and then unish games for flaws that SMG has but ignore it? Why did most of the Mario fanbase that were already Mario fans before the Wiis Casualization barely by either SMG game? Why did SMG 2 do things that Sunshine was panned for, and was suggested doing it again would be bad, but it did, and it's fine now? (Like linear levels?) Seems odd to most people with a functioning cranium. Also, I guess I can call you a moron since apparently Opinions of 10 people are worth more than your own and is enough for you to imply the game is FACTUALLY good when that's not true.

alright, it's getting to the point where your arguments are just turning into jumbled messes so I'll spare you the trouble and break it down for ya.

.The games are amazing

.almost everyone agrees

.structured linearity in a platformer isn't bad and makes for alot of variety in levels

.deal with it

So what? It doesn't change the fact mario as a franchised is probably the most milked in existance.

GD1551

there not bad games though thats the point

So is many other game franchises out there.

PsychoLemons

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

So what? It doesn't change the fact mario as a franchised is probably the most milked in existance.

Mario1331

there not bad games though thats the point

I never said they were.

[QUOTE="PsychoLemons"]

So is many other game franchises out there.

Arbiterisl33t69

I still just like to point it out though.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"]is it so hard for you to believe that maybe..just maybe The game is legimately good :|

You making up these "what if" scenarios just shows how far you're willing to go to rationalize your ridiculous notions

[/QUOTE No, because it really isn't. So how come barely anyone mentions flaws in the gen real consensus excuse you keep using and then unish games for flaws that SMG has but ignore it? Why did most of the Mario fanbase that were already Mario fans before the Wiis Casualization barely by either SMG game? Why did SMG 2 do things that Sunshine was panned for, and was suggested doing it again would be bad, but it did, and it's fine now? (Like linear levels?) Seems odd to most people with a functioning cranium. Also, I guess I can call you a moron since apparently Opinions of 10 people are worth more than your own and is enough for you to imply the game is FACTUALLY good when that's not true.Last-Resort

alright, it's getting to the point where your arguments are just turning into jumbled messes so I'll spare you the trouble and break it down for ya.

.The games are amazing

.almost everyone agrees

.structured linearity in a platformer isn't bad and makes for alot of variety in levels

.deal with it

The Last Resort, please listen.

We are not lying to you.

We are not ignoring your opinion, but we don't believe in it.

We are not blinding defending a game, we are telling you facts about it that contradict your opinion about it.

It's fine if you liked Sunshine more than Galaxy 2, so did I. But you can't say SMG2 is terrible and worse than Sunshine, because it isn't, in any way.

Trying to convince yourself of a massive conspiracy created by Mario fans is not going to win any arguments, because it will make you live in a different reality than everyone else. The end result would be people thinking you are trolling or are insane, not that you are in any way right.

Criteria for milking:

• Unreasonable game/year ratio.
  
  3D Mario games come out every ~2 years for example in modern times (average), which is fairly reasonable, especially considering you can count all the 3D pure platformers released this gen on one hand.
  
  
• Little to no change between iterations.
  
  Nintendo games usually change up significantly in art**** game design and so forth. There are exceptions like Mario Kart and Mario Party. In the case of Mario Kart for instance, this game is only released once per generation, and that's typically ~5 years, so the fact that MK is conservative is mitigated by the fact that it releases once every 5 years.

I can't think of any Mario series that is milked. Mario Party used to be though.

That was some great milking this last gen on the Wii :Dumcommon

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

alright, it's getting to the point where your arguments are just turning into jumbled messes so I'll spare you the trouble and break it down for ya.

.The games are amazing

.almost everyone agrees

.structured linearity in a platformer isn't bad and makes for alot of variety in levels

.deal with it

Willy105

The Last Resort, please listen.

We are not lying to you.

We are not ignoring your opinion, but we don't believe in it.

We are not blinding defending a game, we are telling you facts about it that contradict your opinion about it.

It's fine if you liked Sunshine more than Galaxy 2, so did I. But you can't say SMG2 is terrible and worse than Sunshine, because it isn't, in any way.

Trying to convince yourself of a massive conspiracy created by Mario fans is not going to win any arguments, because it will make you live in a different reality than everyone else. The end result would be people thinking you are trolling or are insane, not that you are in any way right.

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"] Nothing is a mess, I have been saying the same thing to you over and over, and you can't accept the fact the points I made are true, and you still spin things that I clearly did not say. Not almost everyone agrees its amazing, that's 10 reviewers one for 10 sites that are even partiall credible, and yes they only use one reviewer, Mario fanbase barely buys its own game anymore as the casuals have more interest, so even if I include the fans, you still do not have enough proof to say almost everyone agrees, it will most likely not be as remembered like Sunshine was later down the road. And stop spinning the linear argument. There is no STRUCTURED LINEARITY in SMG 2 and that also happened and was panned in SS. Linearity does not create variety either. Which of course, is a common complaint amongst these people you say like SMG 2. It's repetitive, not varied. but let's just ignore facts. Stop spinning, it's the same as lying, stop it. The main conclusion that happened here is that you say general consensus=Your opinion=Amazing game While I used the same General Consensus=Deny. Whatever you want to keep making yourself believe, I can stop you from enclosed bias.Last-Resort

The Last Resort, please listen.

We are not lying to you.

We are not ignoring your opinion, but we don't believe in it.

We are not blinding defending a game, we are telling you facts about it that contradict your opinion about it.

It's fine if you liked Sunshine more than Galaxy 2, so did I. But you can't say SMG2 is terrible and worse than Sunshine, because it isn't, in any way.

Trying to convince yourself of a massive conspiracy created by Mario fans is not going to win any arguments, because it will make you live in a different reality than everyone else. The end result would be people thinking you are trolling or are insane, not that you are in any way right.

No, thats clearly you making sh*t up as usual.

Sunshine had alot of problems but those linear platforming stages without fludd weren't one of them.

If anything those were the highlight of the game

Mario is possibly the most milked franchise of all time. For whatever reason, people think when a game is milked then it's automatically bad. Not the case.

Alot of people seem to not be readint the OP... they're tihnking that I'm saying the fact that Mario is milked is a bad thing...

mario's milk is the best.....wait...that didnt come out right. or did it? :omems_1224

I tihnk it came out right just fine.

Mario as a franchise is milked. Mario platformers are not.

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

The Last Resort, please listen.

We are not lying to you.

We are not ignoring your opinion, but we don't believe in it.

We are not blinding defending a game, we are telling you facts about it that contradict your opinion about it.

It's fine if you liked Sunshine more than Galaxy 2, so did I. But you can't say SMG2 is terrible and worse than Sunshine, because it isn't, in any way.

Trying to convince yourself of a massive conspiracy created by Mario fans is not going to win any arguments, because it will make you live in a different reality than everyone else. The end result would be people thinking you are trolling or are insane, not that you are in any way right.

Shinobishyguy

No, thats clearly you making sh*t up as usual.

Sunshine had alot of problems but those linear platforming stages without fludd weren't one of them.

If anything those were the highlight of the game

I take all the milk I can get. I love me some mario games. When games are this well made and still enjoyable after 30 years I'll continue to buy mario and other games from Nintendo.YoshiYogurt

Mario as a franchise is milked. Mario platformers are not.

burgeg

Sadly I feel Mario hit his peak with Super Mario Brothers 3 on NES. Other than Super Mario World on SNES I haven't really played a Mario game that interested me like the old NES ones did.CajunShooter

Mario as a franchise is milked. Mario platformers are not.

burgeg

Sadly I feel Mario hit his peak with Super Mario Brothers 3 on NES. Other than Super Mario World on SNES I haven't really played a Mario game that interested me like the old NES ones did.CajunShooter

Mario as a franchise is milked. Mario platformers are not.

burgeg

Sadly I feel Mario hit his peak with Super Mario Brothers 3 on NES. Other than Super Mario World on SNES I haven't really played a Mario game that interested me like the old NES ones did.CajunShooter

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[QUOTE="Last-Resort"] No you guys are lying because you keep spinning what I said. I never said I liked SS over SMG2, I said that the same people that gave SMG2 good reviews ignored the similar and the same problems it had that SS also had, FACT!. .Last-Resort

No, thats clearly you making sh*t up as usual.

Sunshine had alot of problems but those linear platforming stages without fludd weren't one of them.

If anything those were the highlight of the game

Sadly I feel Mario hit his peak with Super Mario Brothers 3 on NES. Other than Super Mario World on SNES I haven't really played a Mario game that interested me like the old NES ones did.CajunShooter

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]No, thats clearly you making sh*t up as usual.Sunshine had alot of problems but those linear platforming stages without fludd weren't one of them.If anything those were the highlight of the gameShinobishyguy

Fire burns.

waltefmoney

Sadly I feel Mario hit his peak with Super Mario Brothers 3 on NES. Other than Super Mario World on SNES I haven't really played a Mario game that interested me like the old NES ones did.CajunShooter

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"] [QUOTE="burgeg"]

Mario as a franchise is milked. Mario platformers are not.

Last-Resort

Sadly I feel Mario hit his peak with Super Mario Brothers 3 on NES. Other than Super Mario World on SNES I haven't really played a Mario game that interested me like the old NES ones did.CajunShooter

I'm not even that big a fan of Mario, but I'm sorry you're completely wrong if you think Nintendo milks Mario platformers. Mario platformers are actually pretty rare on home consoles, and just as rare on handhelds.

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"][QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"] [QUOTE="CajunShooter"]Sadly I feel Mario hit his peak with Super Mario Brothers 3 on NES. Other than Super Mario World on SNES I haven't really played a Mario game that interested me like the old NES ones did.burgeg

I'm not even that big a fan of Mario, but I'm sorry you're completely wrong if you think Nintendo milks Mario platformers. Mario platformers are actually pretty rare on home consoles, and just as rare on handhelds.

so whose the king of platformers?

As long as the games are good, I don't see the problem.

I'm tired of Mario.

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"][QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"] [QUOTE="CajunShooter"]Sadly I feel Mario hit his peak with Super Mario Brothers 3 on NES. Other than Super Mario World on SNES I haven't really played a Mario game that interested me like the old NES ones did.burgeg

I'm not even that big a fan of Mario, but I'm sorry you're completely wrong if you think Nintendo milks Mario platformers. Mario platformers are actually pretty rare on home consoles, and just as rare on handhelds.

[QUOTE="burgeg"]

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"] There's so much fanboyism and/or nostalgia in these posts.Last-Resort

I'm not even that big a fan of Mario, but I'm sorry you're completely wrong if you think Nintendo milks Mario platformers. Mario platformers are actually pretty rare on home consoles, and just as rare on handhelds.

Please try and argue Mario platformers are milked now. Again, that's not counting re-releases of old ones such as the ones on the GBA or Wii and 3DS Virtual consoles. If you want to include those then yeah I suppose it's milkage. But it's nothing but a lie to say Nintendo are milking Mario platformers in terms of pumping out a new game on a regular basis. Mainline or side game. There's always a good amount of time before we see a new Mario platformer.

Is GTA a milked franchise? Because that franchise has only been going 15 years and has released 10 games not counting expansions/episodes. GTA 1, 2, 3, VC, SA, IV, Advance, LCS, VCS and CTW. Nobody says GTA is milked. Well most people don't. Because it isn't. Compared to Mario platformers it kinda seems like it is! 10 GTA games in 15 years vs 13 Mario platformers in 27 years. The truth is that neither is milked. There's always a good amount of time between releases.

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"][QUOTE="burgeg"]Lol I'm not even that big a fan of Mario. I like Mario platformers. I certainly don't think Mario is the "king of platformers" like a lot do. Nor do I have any nostalgia whatsoever for Mario. In fact before the Wii the only Mario platformer I'd actually played was SMB1, and I was hardly a massive fan of it. But it's a fact that Mario platformers are not milked. Certainly not the main ones. Since Mario went 3D back in 96 how many 3D Mario platformers have there been? Four. Five if you count 3D Land(it's not a main console title). Only one 2D Mario platformer has been released on consoles in that same time frame. That makes five Mario platformers on consoles in the last 16 years. Hardly milage, is it? Before that there were only SMB1-3 and SMW on home consoles(I consider Yoshi's Island a separate franchise). So in the near 27 year history of Mario how many Mario platformers have been released on home consoles? Nine. Nine games in 27 years not counting re-releases. That is not milking. There's some other little side Mario platformers on handhelds, but even then there aren't that many. Only four not counting re-releases.

I'm not even that big a fan of Mario, but I'm sorry you're completely wrong if you think Nintendo milks Mario platformers. Mario platformers are actually pretty rare on home consoles, and just as rare on handhelds.

burgeg

Please try and argue Mario platformers are milked now. Again, that's not counting re-releases of old ones such as the ones on the GBA or Wii and 3DS Virtual consoles. If you want to include those then yeah I suppose it's milkage. But it's nothing but a lie to say Nintendo are milking Mario platformers in terms of pumping out a new game on a regular basis. Mainline or side game. There's always a good amount of time before we see a new Mario platformer.

Is GTA a milked franchise? Because that franchise has only been going 15 years and has released 10 games not counting expansions/episodes. GTA 1, 2, 3, VC, SA, IV, Advance, LCS, VCS and CTW. Nobody says GTA is milked. Well most people don't. Because it isn't. Compared to Mario platformers it kinda seems like it is! 10 GTA games in 15 years vs 13 Mario platformers in 27 years. The truth is that neither is milked. There's always a good amount of time between releases.

[QUOTE="burgeg"]

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"] You said Mario Platformers. Not 3D Mario Mainline platformers. That's a sidestep away from the spikes that were launched at you. Becuase whether you meant it or not, you implied that Mario Platformers in general were not milked.Last-Resort

Please try and argue Mario platformers are milked now. Again, that's not counting re-releases of old ones such as the ones on the GBA or Wii and 3DS Virtual consoles. If you want to include those then yeah I suppose it's milkage. But it's nothing but a lie to say Nintendo are milking Mario platformers in terms of pumping out a new game on a regular basis. Mainline or side game. There's always a good amount of time before we see a new Mario platformer.

Is GTA a milked franchise? Because that franchise has only been going 15 years and has released 10 games not counting expansions/episodes. GTA 1, 2, 3, VC, SA, IV, Advance, LCS, VCS and CTW. Nobody says GTA is milked. Well most people don't. Because it isn't. Compared to Mario platformers it kinda seems like it is! 10 GTA games in 15 years vs 13 Mario platformers in 27 years. The truth is that neither is milked. There's always a good amount of time between releases.

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"][QUOTE="burgeg"]Mario platformers in general aren't milked. Nintendo DO NOT pump out new Mario platformers on a regular basis. 2D or 3D. They may have pumped out re-releases of old ones fairly regularly, but new Mario platformers are not milked. In teh near 27 year history there have only been a total of 13 original Mario platformers. That's counting mainline Mario platformers AND spinoff platformers on handhelds. Those would be SMb1, 2, 3, SMW, 64, Sunshine, Galaxy, Galaxy 2, NSMBW, Super Mario Land, Super Mario Land 2, NSMB and Super Mario 3D Land.

Please try and argue Mario platformers are milked now. Again, that's not counting re-releases of old ones such as the ones on the GBA or Wii and 3DS Virtual consoles. If you want to include those then yeah I suppose it's milkage. But it's nothing but a lie to say Nintendo are milking Mario platformers in terms of pumping out a new game on a regular basis. Mainline or side game. There's always a good amount of time before we see a new Mario platformer.

Is GTA a milked franchise? Because that franchise has only been going 15 years and has released 10 games not counting expansions/episodes. GTA 1, 2, 3, VC, SA, IV, Advance, LCS, VCS and CTW. Nobody says GTA is milked. Well most people don't. Because it isn't. Compared to Mario platformers it kinda seems like it is! 10 GTA games in 15 years vs 13 Mario platformers in 27 years. The truth is that neither is milked. There's always a good amount of time between releases.

burgeg

[QUOTE="burgeg"]

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"] Nope, you are missing numerous platfomer spin-offs. Again, you never said main series. There are way over 13 Mario platformers when you are talking about Mario Platformers in general.Last-Resort

The games you're mentioning fall in line with my original post. Mario as a franchise is milked. Mario platformers are not. Those games are part of the Mario franchise, and they play nothing like real Mario platformers. And I'm not just talkin about quality. The entire gameplay style is not true to real Mario platformers. The only ones I can think of that are proper mario platformers are the 13 Mario platformers I mentioned. Possibly 14 depending on exactly what SMB Deluxe is. Doing a little google search of it tells me it was on Gameboy and I can't be bothered to click on anything to find out if it's actually original or just an enhanced version of an already existing mario game, which would be be guess based on the title.

Try and list some Mario platformers that play like your traditional Mario platformer. Doesn't have to be good games, but try to at least not resort to listing puzzle games or educational games like you just did.

[QUOTE="CajunShooter"]Sadly I feel Mario hit his peak with Super Mario Brothers 3 on NES. Other than Super Mario World on SNES I haven't really played a Mario game that interested me like the old NES ones did.Last-Resort