Mark Cerny hopes that Sony's legacy would one day match Nintendo's legacy

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#1 Kashiwaba
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-27-ps4-architect-mark-cerny-hopes-playstations-legacy-can-match-nintendos

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#2 RR360DD
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:lol: Maybe if Sony were original, but they just copy everyone. There is no legacy
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#3 lx_theo
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Cerny is certainly on a path to be comparable to Miyamoto in significance in the industry. Hell, he's probably second to him now.

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#4 Heil68
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Only the way brother, it's the Live, Learn and Love, it's just inevitable. Thanks Mark and of course, as always, thank you Sony.
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#5 ShoulderOfOrion
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Sony doesn't care about gameplay so that's not happening.
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#6 tagyhag
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Cerny is certainly on a path to be comparable to Miyamoto in significance in the industry. Hell, he's probably second to him now.

lx_theo
I will forever know Cerny as a dude who looks like a creepy child molester. :P
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#7 dogfather76
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Nintendo's legacy is tarished. It seems like a lifetime again that I played Zelda for the first time, played Mario Cart with my friends, or saw Mario 64. It seems that they are moving farther and farther away from what once made them so special.

Sony on the other hand seems to be getting better and better.

Maybe I would feel different if I was a lot younger and was closer to the demographic that Nintendo is shooting for.

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#8 Heil68
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Sony doesn't care about gameplay so that's not happening. ShoulderOfOrion
Says the guy who hypes Quantum Break :roll:
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fgh.

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#10 heretrix
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Cerny is certainly on a path to be comparable to Miyamoto in significance in the industry. Hell, he's probably second to him now.

lx_theo

I doubt it, but he is waay up there. Granted being head engineer of the PS4 will definitely boost his profile even more.

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#11 lx_theo
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[QUOTE="lx_theo"]

Cerny is certainly on a path to be comparable to Miyamoto in significance in the industry. Hell, he's probably second to him now.

heretrix

I doubt it, but he is waay up there. 

Can't think fo anyone else who would challenge for second. That's why I think that.
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Nintendo's legacy is tarished. It seems like a lifetime again that I played Zelda for the first time, played Mario Cart with my friends, or saw Mario 64. It seems that they are moving farther and farther away from what once made them so special.

Sony on the other hand seems to be getting better and better.

Maybe I would feel different if I was a lot younger and was closer to the demographic that Nintendo is shooting for.

dogfather76
You know the funny part about being older, you start to feel nostalgic. I personally find Sony's emphasis on cinematic games with big set pieces to be tiring and uninspiring. Nintendo's greatest legacy is creating fun, accessible games that challenge players and brings people together. Sony is trying to copy the legacy of Kojima and Sakaguchi.
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Cerny has been around in videogame history, but to say he is in the same league that Miyamoto is in is laughable to anyone but the most die-hard Sony fan.
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#14 call_of_duty_10
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NO

SONY will have its own unique legacy.

SONY is known for new and innovating games which break records.Kidtendo is known for pointless gimmicks and 1980s cartoon rehashes.

They cannot be compared.

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#15 lilnazar
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Good luck Cerny. Vita is in a total disaster right now.

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they have done that with the ps2 already

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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="lx_theo"]

Cerny is certainly on a path to be comparable to Miyamoto in significance in the industry. Hell, he's probably second to him now.

lx_theo

I doubt it, but he is waay up there. 

Can't think fo anyone else who would challenge for second. That's why I think that.

As a designer there are many that surpass him, but overall his career is impressive. But second to the creator of Mario?

No. way. I like Cerny, but no. I would even put Peter Molyneux over him.

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Cerny is certainly on a path to be comparable to Miyamoto in significance in the industry. Hell, he's probably second to him now.

lx_theo
:lol:
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[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="heretrix"]I doubt it, but he is waay up there. 

heretrix

Can't think fo anyone else who would challenge for second. That's why I think that.

As a designer there are many that surpass him, but overall his carrer is impressive. But second to the creator of Mario?

No. way. I like Cerny, but no. I would even put Peter Molyneux over him.

I disagree a lot on that. Though it not worth getting into given how much I'd need to.
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NO

SONY will have its own unique legacy.

SONY is known for new and innovating games which break records.Kidtendo is known for pointless gimmicks and 1980s cartoon rehashes.

They cannot be compared.

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Lol. Someone started gaming in 2007.
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Sony has two of the best selling systems ever including the best ever. Legacy is already cemented.

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#22 deactivated-5c8ff6a32bb23
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I doubt Sony will surpass Nintendo.
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As much as I love the PS brand and think all three consoles, and soon to be a fourth, are going to go down as some of the best in history I have a hard time believing it will be Nintendo status for a very long time. I am a thirty something year old gamer and I have many years left. Anyone around my age that has been gaming since the 80's knows first hand the effect Nintendo has had on pop culture. When I was a kid EVERYTHING revolved around Nintendo and that can be seen by the ridiculous amount of licensed products from that era. There are even dixie cup dispensers with Nintendo themes. Cereal and snack foods were branded with Nintendo. Nintendo was a way of life for the gamers around my age back then. You could not go a day as a kid in school or playing with friends on a summer day without Nintendo. We spent nights at each others houses going through the newest games and reading up on the news in Nintendo Power. I dont think younger gamers could really understand the effect Nintendo had on the industry. As the years have gone by Nintendo has catered to mostly my era by continuing the IP that made them huge and in the process has gained many millions of new fans. While I have not been too impressed with my Wii U as of yet there is no doubt Nintendo has not gone anywhere YET. I do think the PS brand will reach a near Nintendo like legacy but nothing can truly edge out the company that brought the industry back from the red and turned millions of kids into video game fans.
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#24 HaRmLeSS_RaGe
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Cerny is certainly on a path to be comparable to Miyamoto in significance in the industry. Hell, he's probably second to him now.

lx_theo

 

:lol:

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I doubt Sony will surpass Nintendo. PonchoTaco

After PS4 sells 100 million+ and Wii U sells 30 million it will be over. Sony will have mudstomped Nintendo in 3 out of 4 gens.

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Sony has two of the best selling systems ever including the best ever. Legacy is already cemented.

StrongBlackVine
Indeed. History is History and that's that. SDC.
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Cerny has been around in videogame history, but to say he is in the same league that Miyamoto is in is laughable to anyone but the most die-hard Sony fan. Willy105
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#28 call_of_duty_10
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[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

NO

SONY will have its own unique legacy.

SONY is known for new and innovating games which break records.Kidtendo is known for pointless gimmicks and 1980s cartoon rehashes.

They cannot be compared.

charizard1605

Lol. Someone started gaming in 2007.

While I agree that nintendo did a lot for the industry in the past,no one can deny that the nintendo of 2013<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<90s nintendo.

 

Sony and MS are pushing the industry forward now.Nintendo used to do this 15 years ago,but not now.And with the wii,they tarnished their image.

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Mark Cerny is the saving grace of Sony. I always like how chill and humble the guy seems on/off camera.You can justifiably hate on many sony employees but not him.

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#30 lx_theo
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Cerny has been around in videogame history, but to say he is in the same league that Miyamoto is in is laughable to anyone but the most die-hard Sony fan. Willy105
I never said same league. Pff, Nintendo fans would think it blasphemy to put anyone else in that league in the first place. Again, I think he's second because every other significant person the in industry seems lesser than his influence.
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

NO

SONY will have its own unique legacy.

SONY is known for new and innovating games which break records.Kidtendo is known for pointless gimmicks and 1980s cartoon rehashes.

They cannot be compared.

call_of_duty_10

Lol. Someone started gaming in 2007.

While I agree that nintendo did a lot for the industry in the past,no one can deny that the nintendo of 2013<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<90s nintendo.

 

Sony and MS are pushing the industry forward now.Nintendo used to do this 15 years ago,but not now.And with the wii,they tarnished their image.

To you perhaps. Without the Wii, we wouldn't be having motion control gaming on smartphones/tablets, 360 or the PS3. The Wii was a breath of fresh air in an industry that competes for the biggest phallic while the Wii shows you how to use the phallic. That image Nintendo has created is still alive and well, and Gamerankings would agree with me (Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 are the top three games of all times).
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#32 ShadowofSonic
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It will, someday. #playstationdomination
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[QUOTE="PonchoTaco"]I doubt Sony will surpass Nintendo. StrongBlackVine

After PS4 sells 100 million+ and Wii U sells 30 million it will be over. Sony will have mudstomped Nintendo in 3 out of 4 gens.

Sales have little to nothing to do with a legacy. Nintendo has been credited for bringing back the industry after the arcade crash and early home console crash. They have created the most well known IPs on the planet. I still hear people refer to all systems as "Nintendo" games. That is the influence Nintendo has had not just on the people who game but to those who do not anything at all. They have by far the most well known characters to gamers and non gamers. They have more games on "top" lists than anyone else. They have some of the highest rated and most innovative games available. They brought millions of "casuals" into the world of gaming. They created the market model for home systems and brought much needed competition into the market as well. They created the handheld market model that exists today. They have done so much more for the industry than any other company will ever be able to achieve. They may not have the best systems or games in the grand scheme of things but their legacy can never be topped. They are a part of history like no other company will be able to match.

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Only the way brother, it's the Live, Learn and Love, it's just inevitable. Thanks Mark and of course, as always, thank you Sony. Heil68
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[QUOTE="PonchoTaco"]I doubt Sony will surpass Nintendo. StrongBlackVine

After PS4 sells 100 million+ and Wii U sells 30 million it will be over. Sony will have mudstomped Nintendo in 3 out of 4 gens.

Sony doesn't have any of the lovable characters that Nintendo has. Nintendo has built a legacy that everybody can like. A legacy is not all about sales, bro.

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#36 StrongBlackVine
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[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="PonchoTaco"]I doubt Sony will surpass Nintendo. PonchoTaco

After PS4 sells 100 million+ and Wii U sells 30 million it will be over. Sony will have mudstomped Nintendo in 3 out of 4 gens.

Sony doesn't have any of the lovable characters that Nintendo has. Nintendo has built a legacy that everybody can like. A legacy is not all about sales, bro.

I know it not all about sales. Just saying Sony has been very important to gaming as well. We would still be using cartridges, sub HD and no online if Nintendo was still leading the industry. Sony didn't do all of that, but Nintendo is constantly behind.

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[QUOTE="PonchoTaco"]

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

After PS4 sells 100 million+ and Wii U sells 30 million it will be over. Sony will have mudstomped Nintendo in 3 out of 4 gens.

StrongBlackVine

Sony doesn't have any of the lovable characters that Nintendo has. Nintendo has built a legacy that everybody can like. A legacy is not all about sales, bro.

I know it not all about sales. Just saying Sony has been very important to gaming as well. We would still be using cartridges, sub HD and no online if Nintendo was still leading the industry. Sony didn't do all of that, but Nintendo is constantly behind.

That does not make for a legacy.
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="lx_theo"]

Cerny is certainly on a path to be comparable to Miyamoto in significance in the industry. Hell, he's probably second to him now.

lx_theo

I doubt it, but he is waay up there. 

Can't think fo anyone else who would challenge for second. That's why I think that.

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Also what Legacy does Nintendo have? Letting fans go pretend their wii games are good just because Nintendo was slapped on the box?
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="lx_theo"]

Cerny is certainly on a path to be comparable to Miyamoto in significance in the industry. Hell, he's probably second to him now.

lx_theo

I doubt it, but he is waay up there. 

Can't think fo anyone else who would challenge for second. That's why I think that.

I don't know... I haven't known Cerny to make any genre defining or defying games... Miyamoto has created several during his career.

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#41 princeofshapeir
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[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="heretrix"]I doubt it, but he is waay up there. 

Pikminmaniac

Can't think fo anyone else who would challenge for second. That's why I think that.

I don't know... I haven't known Cerny to make any genre defining or defying games... Miyamoto has created several during his career.

*dozens
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#42 jsmoke03
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ps1 and ps2 already cemented sony's legacy. ps3 could be a bridge or a part of ps4's success because of their first party studios that was developed this past gen

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#43 Malta_1980
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Nintendo has been around much more and surely their success cannot be questioned but at the same time Sony already has its own legacy considering all their systems sold millions and had great games libraries !!

Will Sony ever match nintendo's legacy? maybe, but it wont be easy !!

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I doubt Sony will surpass Nintendo. PonchoTaco
This will most likely be the last nintendo console they screwed up bad with the wii u.

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#45 deactivated-5c8ff6a32bb23
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[QUOTE="PonchoTaco"]I doubt Sony will surpass Nintendo. no-scope-AK47

This will most likely be the last nintendo console they screwed up bad with the wii u.

Your comment has nothing to do with the topic.
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#46 heretrix
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[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="heretrix"]I doubt it, but he is waay up there. 

Pikminmaniac

Can't think fo anyone else who would challenge for second. That's why I think that.

I don't know... I haven't known Cerny to make any genre defining or defying games... Miyamoto has created several during his career.

Exactly. Then once you take a step back from that there are dozens of designers that have more impressive resumes than Cerny.

That said, I think Cerny seems to be cool people and I like him a lot. We need more like him in the industry. He's old school in the best possible way.

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I am surprised by some peoples lack of knowledge of what Nintendo has done for the industry. You can argue opinions of the companies tactics, sales, games and what not. What you can not argue is the fact that they resurrected the market and that has led to what it is today. They are responsible for what the console and handheld markets have become and the competition it has brought. They have brought many new ideas, some good and some bad, to the market which has also inspired innovation and change.

You realize that Sony may have never even entered the console market if not for Nintendo.

Have you noticed that the first PS controller is basically a SNES controller rip off with added palm grips?

The PS brand came out of a failed partnership of Nintendo and Sony to create a disc based system add on for Nintendo.

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I am surprised by some peoples lack of knowledge of what Nintendo has done for the industry. You can argue opinions of the companies tactics, sales, games and what not. What you can not argue is the fact that they resurrected the market and that has led to what it is today. They are responsible for what the console and handheld markets have become and the competition it has brought. They have brought many new ideas, some good and some bad, to the market which has also inspired innovation and change.

 

You realize that Sony may have never even entered the console market if not for Nintendo.

 

Have you noticed that the first PS controller is basically a SNES controller rip off with added palm grips?

 

The PS brand came out of a failed partnership of Nintendo and Sony to create a disc based system add on for Nintendo.

cheesie253

None of that change the fact that Sony has been better than Nintendo since the first PlayStation.

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[QUOTE="cheesie253"]

I am surprised by some peoples lack of knowledge of what Nintendo has done for the industry. You can argue opinions of the companies tactics, sales, games and what not. What you can not argue is the fact that they resurrected the market and that has led to what it is today. They are responsible for what the console and handheld markets have become and the competition it has brought. They have brought many new ideas, some good and some bad, to the market which has also inspired innovation and change.

 

You realize that Sony may have never even entered the console market if not for Nintendo.

 

Have you noticed that the first PS controller is basically a SNES controller rip off with added palm grips?

 

The PS brand came out of a failed partnership of Nintendo and Sony to create a disc based system add on for Nintendo.

StrongBlackVine

None of that change the fact that Sony has better better than Nintendo since the first PlayStation.

Damn Sony, always having better better than their competitors. If only NIntendo had better better. :(
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#50 StrongBlackVine
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[QUOTE="cheesie253"]

I am surprised by some peoples lack of knowledge of what Nintendo has done for the industry. You can argue opinions of the companies tactics, sales, games and what not. What you can not argue is the fact that they resurrected the market and that has led to what it is today. They are responsible for what the console and handheld markets have become and the competition it has brought. They have brought many new ideas, some good and some bad, to the market which has also inspired innovation and change.

 

You realize that Sony may have never even entered the console market if not for Nintendo.

 

Have you noticed that the first PS controller is basically a SNES controller rip off with added palm grips?

 

The PS brand came out of a failed partnership of Nintendo and Sony to create a disc based system add on for Nintendo.

princeofshapeir

None of that change the fact that Sony has better better than Nintendo since the first PlayStation.

Damn Sony, always having better better than their competitors. If only NIntendo had better better. :(

Obvious typo