@elderlord99: Really? It seems like there's people who get upset whenever anything diverges from it.
Game developers and game journalists along with activist.
Most consumers hate modern western aesthetics.
This is a lie... I like to have this chart because it's a mix of the Japanese and Western aesthetic, showing that they're not much different. I suppose I could add Overwatch and Fortnite to the list...
I could probably guess which characters are from the west with 95% accuracy.
Then guess. Red for West and Blue for East.
Don't worry. I'll patiently wait as you reverse image search. 😉
This is a lie... I like to have this chart because it's a mix of the Japanese and Western aesthetic, showing that they're not much different. I suppose I could add Overwatch and Fortnite to the list...
I could probably guess which characters are from the west with 95% accuracy.
Then guess. Red for West and Blue for East.
Don't worry. I'll patiently wait as you reverse image search. 😉
How did I do?
I almost forgot to mention that NetEase Games knows what their target audience really want out of character designs and it's no wonder why Concord failed to understanding that having fun and cool characters can bring in joy from most audience:
I didn't care much from any of the F4 cast but seeing them now, they made them look way cooler than the upcoming new F4 film that's coming soon. Invisible Woman is THICC👌
You say as you simply show an attractive woman in a skin tight suit...
I'd argue otherwise. Most of the gamers complaining don't really want cool and unique designs, or unique art styles. They simply want an attractive woman in a skimpy outfit. Which isn't that creative.
We want them to actually look like comic book super heroes?? In a Marvel super hero game??
It's not just the chick characters but the male ones too! Absolutely shredded, I want the heroes to look like gods and goddesses.
Why tf not!
It's fanasty, it's art, you can make them look anyway you want in art!! Why not make them look amazing!! Why make them look average and boring?? What's the fun in that shit!! I see average boring people every day! I'm trying to be a god damn super hero running through walls and jumping 50 feet in the air, make it look as over the top and badass as possible!!
*Rivals vs Avengers for context*
Posting more because it's so friggin bad. Why is China making our super heroes look so much better than we can!!
Like damn this is our culture our heroes, and China is winning with our own damn franchises.. meanwhile western studios making marvel avengers and suicide squad and getting absolutely waxed because it looks like shit and plays like shit.
We can't let China win guys, demand better...
This is a lie... I like to have this chart because it's a mix of the Japanese and Western aesthetic, showing that they're not much different. I suppose I could add Overwatch and Fortnite to the list...
I could probably guess which characters are from the west with 95% accuracy.
Then guess. Red for West and Blue for East.
Don't worry. I'll patiently wait as you reverse image search. 😉
How did I do?
No. I'll edit the correct answers.
Red is West and Blue is East.
This is a lie... I like to have this chart because it's a mix of the Japanese and Western aesthetic, showing that they're not much different. I suppose I could add Overwatch and Fortnite to the list...
I could probably guess which characters are from the west with 95% accuracy.
Then guess. Red for West and Blue for East.
Don't worry. I'll patiently wait as you reverse image search. 😉
How did I do?
Numbers coded:
Red:
Blue:
Then guess. Red for West and Blue for East.
Don't worry. I'll patiently wait as you reverse image search. 😉
How did I do?
Numbers coded:
Red:
Blue:
Some of those games from the west are over 10 years old before the androgynous designs became the norm. Western designs weren't always awful but it's gotten pretty bad since 2015.
The fat girl with the cat ears is a minor NPC from an MMO.... in the West she could be the main character of an action game.
I almost forgot to mention that NetEase Games knows what their target audience really want out of character designs and it's no wonder why Concord failed to understanding that having fun and cool characters can bring in joy from most audience:
I didn't care much from any of the F4 cast but seeing them now, they made them look way cooler than the upcoming new F4 film that's coming soon. Invisible Woman is THICC👌
Wow!
That ass is phat!
@sargentd: those comparisons are so dumb. There's nothing wrong with either character design.
!!!
@sargentd: those comparisons are so dumb. There's nothing wrong with either character design.
!!!
One on the right looks like a souless NPC from a Bethesda game just waiting for that VAT kill to happen_
The one on the left looks like an absolute chad. It's not even the models design overall (though the left is far more dynamic). Model posturing does a lot to sell a vibe.
@sargentd: those comparisons are so dumb. There's nothing wrong with either character design.
!!!
One on the right looks like a souless NPC from a Bethesda game just waiting for that VAT kill to happen_
The one on the left looks like an absolute chad. It's not even the models design overall (though the left is far more dynamic). Model posturing does a lot to sell a vibe.
The posturing helps...but let's not kid ourselves.. if the one on the right was standing the exact same position it still looks like shit lol.. I could kick that dudes ass and haven't been to the gym in over a year lol
Lets talk about the outfits, the attention to detail.. the one on the right looks like really bad cosplay.. your right it looks like a grunt npc.. somebody you would sell your inventory junk too in an elder scrolls game.. so lazy... it's a disgrace to let a chineese developer punk us this bad.
if we are going to make America great again we gotta demand better...
I am not happy about this.
@sargentd: those comparisons are so dumb. There's nothing wrong with either character design.
!!!
One on the right looks like a souless NPC from a Bethesda game just waiting for that VAT kill to happen_
The one on the left looks like an absolute chad. It's not even the models design overall (though the left is far more dynamic). Model posturing does a lot to sell a vibe.
The posturing helps...but let's not kid ourselves.. if the one on the right was standing the exact same position it still looks like shit lol.. I could kick that dudes ass and haven't been to the gym in over a year lol
Lets talk about the outfits, the attention to detail.. the one on the right looks like really bad cosplay.. your right it looks like a grunt npc.. somebody you would sell your inventory junk too in an elder scrolls game.. so lazy... it's a disgrace to let a chineese developer punk us this bad.
if we are going to make America great again we gotta demand better...
I am not happy about this.
Everyone hates the culture war bullshit, but I do think their is a solid argument that many Western designs are just dogshit.
Part of that I think, is having technology to create realism, where they are more interested in trying to make it look like live actors than a cartoon.
Basically, tossing aside the fantastical element so they can show off their pixel perfect facial hair nobody actually gives a shit about, and looks worse.
@sargentd: those comparisons are so dumb. There's nothing wrong with either character design.
!!!
One on the right looks like a souless NPC from a Bethesda game just waiting for that VAT kill to happen_
The one on the left looks like an absolute chad. It's not even the models design overall (though the left is far more dynamic). Model posturing does a lot to sell a vibe.
The posturing helps...but let's not kid ourselves.. if the one on the right was standing the exact same position it still looks like shit lol.. I could kick that dudes ass and haven't been to the gym in over a year lol
Lets talk about the outfits, the attention to detail.. the one on the right looks like really bad cosplay.. your right it looks like a grunt npc.. somebody you would sell your inventory junk too in an elder scrolls game.. so lazy... it's a disgrace to let a chineese developer punk us this bad.
if we are going to make America great again we gotta demand better...
I am not happy about this.
Everyone hates the culture war bullshit, but I do think their is a solid argument that many Western designs are just dogshit.
Part of that I think, is having technology to create realism, where they are more interested in trying to make it look like live actors than a cartoon.
Basically, tossing aside the fantastical element so they can show off their pixel perfect facial hair nobody actually gives a shit about, and looks worse.
Good point, it does come across as they are trying more to look like Hollywood actors in cosplay than comic book heroes.
I dont think that is what the player base is asking for.. so they should probably stop doing that if they are trying to sell video games.
Why do we need realism in a super hero/comic game. There is nothing realistic about super heroes so I wish they would stop doing this.
This isn't culture war stuff. People will try to make it that, but it's just comparing bad aesthetics/art style to good ones.. and it's being reflected it which games sell and gain traction and those who fail and fall apart. (Of course there is more to it than just aesthetics, game has to play well, but just saying it's important and I'm tired of seeing people pretend it's not)
Then guess. Red for West and Blue for East.
Don't worry. I'll patiently wait as you reverse image search. 😉
How did I do?
Numbers coded:
Red:
Blue:
Some of those games from the west are over 10 years old before the androgynous designs became the norm. Western designs weren't always awful but it's gotten pretty bad since 2015.
The fat girl with the cat ears is a minor NPC from an MMO.... in the West she could be the main character of an action game.
Valorant was released in 2020:
Fortnite was released in 2017:
The issue seems to be the more realistic looking a game is, the more dull it is. Even Marvel Rivals vs Marvel Avengers is about how Marvel Rivals feels like something out of a comic books, while Marvel Avengers is more realistic but dull. Which, gamers shot themselves in the foot with this one. During the Xbox 360 and PS3 era, I talked about how dull the games looked. That gray, brown, and gloomy era was something... Though when I pointed out how dull they looked, people just said "Nintendrone talking about graphics! LMFAO!"
That's why I laugh. For some reason, y'all care NOW. A lot of the big Western devs and ugly AF art for decades now. Though y'all just ate Doritos, drank Mountain Dew, and played Call of Duty and liked how dull it looked. Y'all didn't even care for indie games, because the game wasn't "realistic enough like COD". Now y'all are whining about the dull art style. 🙄
@elderlord99: "The fat girl with the cat ears is a minor NPC from an MMO.... in the West she could be the main character of an action game."
Come on bud. There is no AAA western action game with a main character anywhere close to that fat. There have been a few hero shooters with a couple overweight characters, but that's also true with Japanese fighting games.
Correct me if I'm wrong here. And if you post Aloy, I will respond with a "laughing in your face" meme of some kind.
Fat Princess was a thing, but that was released in 2009, when the anti-woke claim that Western developers were still good. Even then, most people who are more knowledgeable about the game than I am, say that the game was basically mocking fat people.
Though other than that, I can't recall an example. Western games with plus sized women are Overwatch and Paladins. Mei from Overwatch and Betty La Bomba from Paladins.
Mei tows the line. Mei is chubby, but she's still considered attractive by the player base and people who are fans of Overwatch because of *those* videos.
Betty La Bomba, is bigger than Mei. Though she's not as big as the FF14 NPC.
@elderlord99: "The fat girl with the cat ears is a minor NPC from an MMO.... in the West she could be the main character of an action game."
Come on bud. There is no AAA western action game with a main character anywhere close to that fat. There have been a few hero shooters with a couple overweight characters, but that's also true with Japanese fighting games.
Correct me if I'm wrong here. And if you post Aloy, I will respond with a "laughing in your face" meme of some kind.
You were saying?
How did I do?
Numbers coded:
Red:
Blue:
Some of those games from the west are over 10 years old before the androgynous designs became the norm. Western designs weren't always awful but it's gotten pretty bad since 2015.
The fat girl with the cat ears is a minor NPC from an MMO.... in the West she could be the main character of an action game.
Valorant was released in 2020:
Fortnite was released in 2017:
The issue seems to be the more realistic looking a game is, the more dull it is. Even Marvel Rivals vs Marvel Avengers is about how Marvel Rivals feels like something out of a comic books, while Marvel Avengers is more realistic but dull. Which, gamers shot themselves in the foot with this one. During the Xbox 360 and PS3 era, I talked about how dull the games looked. That gray, brown, and gloomy era was something... Though when I pointed out how dull they looked, people just said "Nintendrone talking about graphics! LMFAO!"
That's why I laugh. For some reason, y'all care NOW. A lot of the big Western devs and ugly AF art for decades now. Though y'all just ate Doritos, drank Mountain Dew, and played Call of Duty and liked how dull it looked. Y'all didn't even care for indie games, because the game wasn't "realistic enough like COD". Now y'all are whining about the dull art style. 🙄
I don't think that's the problem.
As far as western games looking dull and boring in the 2006 to 2012 era I think alot of that had to do with UE3.
One of the things I love about Japanese devs is they generally do a very good job at having a consistent look for their character. Even going from PS2 to PS5 the characters look how you imagine they should with more realistic visuals.
@elderlord99: "The fat girl with the cat ears is a minor NPC from an MMO.... in the West she could be the main character of an action game."
Come on bud. There is no AAA western action game with a main character anywhere close to that fat. There have been a few hero shooters with a couple overweight characters, but that's also true with Japanese fighting games.
Correct me if I'm wrong here. And if you post Aloy, I will respond with a "laughing in your face" meme of some kind.
You were saying?
Is that Dustborn? Is that really what you're going with as an example of a AAA action game? Is that even AAA, or action for that matter?
But okay, putting that aside, I see three skinny people and one overweight one in a game that apparently has five main characters. Do you even play as all of them? I don't know much about this game.
@elderlord99: Trish and Lady got a pretty substantial boob reduction between DMC 4 and 5.
Also, that face:
@judaspete: are you guys talking about ugly female designs??
Here's some
I dunno wtf is going on any more
Trying to make ladies look like men, I think it's weird
@elderlord99: "The fat girl with the cat ears is a minor NPC from an MMO.... in the West she could be the main character of an action game."
Come on bud. There is no AAA western action game with a main character anywhere close to that fat. There have been a few hero shooters with a couple overweight characters, but that's also true with Japanese fighting games.
Correct me if I'm wrong here. And if you post Aloy, I will respond with a "laughing in your face" meme of some kind.
You were saying?
Is that Dustborn? Is that really what you're going with as an example of a AAA action game? Is that even AAA, or action for that matter?
But okay, putting that aside, I see three skinny people and one overweight one in a game that apparently has five main characters. Do you even play as all of them? I don't know much about this game.
That's your party.. there all main characters.
No it wouldn't be considered triple A as it was a small dev team funded by the government. However if this were to do well it would have been the standard for the next decade.
@elderlord99: Trish and Lady got a pretty substantial boob reduction between DMC 4 and 5.
Also, that face:
Some of faces look off during certain facial expressions but overall the characters look great. It's still a pretty significant step up front most modern western designs.
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