Marvel Rivals proves hero shooters and live service games are alive and well

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#101 ThatForumUser
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@Pedro: Buddy I am trying to be friendly OK not for free game code or any thing but OK not forced to give the answer ¯\_O_/¯

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#103  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@sargentd said:

Good point, it does come across as they are trying more to look like Hollywood actors in cosplay than comic book heroes.

I dont think that is what the player base is asking for.. so they should probably stop doing that if they are trying to sell video games.

Why do we need realism in a super hero/comic game. There is nothing realistic about super heroes so I wish they would stop doing this.

This isn't culture war stuff. People will try to make it that, but it's just comparing bad aesthetics/art style to good ones.. and it's being reflected it which games sell and gain traction and those who fail and fall apart. (Of course there is more to it than just aesthetics, game has to play well, but just saying it's important and I'm tired of seeing people pretend it's not)

This is a good description, and I think you start to see it with the Arkham games in particular as the entries continue all the way to suicide squad.

Their is still a semblance of the comic book design here and their, but the characters increasingly just look like that.

I feel like Arkham City was the point where it got the art direction down in conjunction with the tech where it still had that comic book, cartoon like aesthetic as to be visually appealing. (and Origins as well)

Once get to the next main entry start to see the decline in art direction as they focus more on realism.

And when get to Suicide Squad, isn't really any character to it, just mocap cosplay looking motherfuckers for the most part, that has become normalized as to just be incredibly bland and by the numbers at this point.

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#104  Edited By Elderlord99
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@Pedro said:
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You kidding? There are people literally given these jobs through DEI programs.. now keeping your job? That is hard. But with his mentality he won't last long. Western game development is imploding.

Your wishful thinking is rather amusing. Even more amusing than your ignorance.😂

It's not wishful thinking it's just an obvious observation and a likely scenario. Nearly 15,000 people were laid off in the game industry last year and it was nearly all from American and European devs. It's sad honestly and certainly nothing I ever wanted to see but in all likelihood most western game development will be outsourced to China and AI within the next 10 years, maybe even less and you all have no one but yourselves to blame 🤷‍♂️

As you force your ideological bullshit into games and drive off the majority of your customers the East is simply trying to make games that will sell. Do you think China cares about crunch, unions and 80 hour work weeks? I'm not saying that's the standard western devs should be expected to maintain but it is the standard you will see in China.

What about all the harassment charges filed by western studios? Is it standard for these ultra progressives virtue signaling game developers to all be radical perverts that harass all their females staff? Or could it be that western game developers consider any type of criticism harassment? Either way do you think that shit happens often in China?

The publishers are going to see there's a place they can get their games made cheaper without all the bullshit. And that's exactly what they are going to do... and honestly it sucks. I wish the West would get their shit together and stop attacking a large portion of their fans but it seems unlikely.

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#105 Pedro
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@elderlord99 said:

It's not wishful thinking it's just an obvious observation and a likely scenario. Nearly 15,000 people were laid off in the game industry last year and it was nearly all from American and European devs.

It's sad honestly and certainly nothing I never wanted to see but in all likelihood most western game development will be outsourced to China and AI within the next 10 years, maybe even less and you all have no one but yourselves to blame 🤷‍♂️

Like I said, wishful thinking, all because you are angry you are not being catered to exclusively.😂

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#106  Edited By Elderlord99
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@Pedro said:
@elderlord99 said:

It's not wishful thinking it's just an obvious observation and a likely scenario. Nearly 15,000 people were laid off in the game industry last year and it was nearly all from American and European devs.

It's sad honestly and certainly nothing I never wanted to see but in all likelihood most western game development will be outsourced to China and AI within the next 10 years, maybe even less and you all have no one but yourselves to blame 🤷‍♂️

Like I said, wishful thinking, all because you are angry you are not being catered to exclusively.😂

You can read my edited post for further elaboration.

You all are going after the " modern audience ". Will see how that works out 😉

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#107 Pedro
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@elderlord99 said:

You can read my edited post for further elaboration.

You all are going after the " modern audience ". Will see how that works out 😉

The one thing that is consistent with your kind, is that your vision is so short that you can't even see the obvious.😌

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#108 Elderlord99
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@Pedro said:
@elderlord99 said:

You can read my edited post for further elaboration.

You all are going after the " modern audience ". Will see how that works out 😉

The one thing that is consistent with your kind, is that your vision is so short that you can't even see the obvious.😌

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#109 uninspiredcup
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@last_lap Looks like you were right about multiple at the same time.

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@uninspiredcup: Yep and as Im sure you've noticed they're all right leaning to the max.

So at least we now one true trait they have, and that's being a loony toon 🤣

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#112 palasta
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@Planeforger said:

This thread is the perfect example of why Culture Wars discussions should be banned or quarantined.

People were having a totally reasonable conversation about why this game struck gold as opposed to other hero shooters or Marvel games, and then the stupid crept in and strangled the life out of the discussion.

Mods, seriously, can we have a megathread about gender representation, so that all of this crap can go there and people can stop derailing threads?

No, you and the likes are the ones attempting to derail here.

Apparently, one reason why MarvelRivals struck gold opposed to Concord, was to abstain from DEI. I repeat - i know how short your attention span is - ONE Reason. NOT the ONE and ONLY. Or do you seriously claim, if they had made it f2p, it would'd done a lot better?

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You say as you simply show an attractive woman in a skin tight suit...

I'd argue otherwise. Most of the gamers complaining don't really want cool and unique designs, or unique art styles. They simply want an attractive woman in a skimpy outfit. Which isn't that creative.

Huh... people wanting more than one thing. A Bizarre concept to some.

You're saying, only games with women in skimpy outfits can be this successful. ok. Helldivers2 is devoid of attractive sexes.

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#113 uninspiredcup
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I agree with pasta.

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#114 Elderlord99
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@palasta said:
@Planeforger said:

This thread is the perfect example of why Culture Wars discussions should be banned or quarantined.

People were having a totally reasonable conversation about why this game struck gold as opposed to other hero shooters or Marvel games, and then the stupid crept in and strangled the life out of the discussion.

Mods, seriously, can we have a megathread about gender representation, so that all of this crap can go there and people can stop derailing threads?

No, you and the likes are the ones attempting to derail here.

Apparently, one reason why MarvelRivals struck gold opposed to Concord, was to abstain from DEI. I repeat - i know how short your attention span is - ONE Reason. NOT the ONE and ONLY. Or do you seriously claim, if they had made it f2p, it would'd done a lot better?

@luxuryheart said:

You say as you simply show an attractive woman in a skin tight suit...

I'd argue otherwise. Most of the gamers complaining don't really want cool and unique designs, or unique art styles. They simply want an attractive woman in a skimpy outfit. Which isn't that creative.

Huh... people wanting more than one thing. A Bizarre concept to some.

You're saying, only games with women in skimpy outfits can be this successful. ok. Helldivers2 is devoid of attractive sexes.

I couldn't agree more. Simply acknowledging ONE major factor in why these games failed is to much for them so they will gaslight you into believing it was a non issue and even acknowledging it makes you some crazy Nazi... fortunately I think the tide is turning

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#115 Pedro
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@elderlord99 said:

I couldn't agree more. Simply acknowledging ONE major factor in why these games failed is to much for them so they will gaslight you into believing it was a non issue and even acknowledging it makes you some crazy Nazi... fortunately I think the tide is turning

Not in the way you think. Remember that thing about your vision being short?😏

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#116  Edited By Elderlord99
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@Pedro said:
@elderlord99 said:

I couldn't agree more. Simply acknowledging ONE major factor in why these games failed is to much for them so they will gaslight you into believing it was a non issue and even acknowledging it makes you some crazy Nazi... fortunately I think the tide is turning

Not in the way you think. Remember that thing about your vision being short?😏

I don't need a blind man telling me how short my vision is 🤣.

When multi billion dollar tech CEO's and heads of gaming studios are now publicly acknowledging that progressive agendas hurt sales that is exactly what im talking about. Otherwise the tide wouldn't be turning all. Activist have had full control of the game, tech and entertainment industry the past decade.

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#117  Edited By Pedro
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@elderlord99 said:

I don't need a blind man telling me how short my vision is 🤣.

When multi billion dollar tech CEO's and heads of gaming studios are now publicly acknowledging that progressive agendas hurt sales that is exactly what im talking about. Otherwise the tide wouldn't be turning all. Activist have had full control of the game, tech and entertainment industry the past decade.

The more you type the more you confirm what you are oblivious too. It is fun to watch.😂

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#118 PCLover1980
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New season feels great so far. Game is more optimized and whilst most characters are still broken, it feels balanced, cos everybody's broken haha. This is a much better game than overwatch for sure.

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#119 PCLover1980
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Jesus christ, this thread divulged into another bullshit culture wars talk

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#120  Edited By Elderlord99
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@Pedro said:
@elderlord99 said:

I don't need a blind man telling me how short my vision is 🤣.

When multi billion dollar tech CEO's and heads of gaming studios are now publicly acknowledging that progressive agendas hurt sales that is exactly what im talking about. Otherwise the tide wouldn't be turning all. Activist have had full control of the game, tech and entertainment industry the past decade.

The more you type the more you confirm what you are oblivious too. It is fun to watch.😂

You don't even know wtf you're talking about. 🤷‍♂️

Please tell us.. how " the tide is turning"

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#121 Maroxad
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What the FromSoft happened to this thread? Is Elderlord another SilentChief/BlackHairdHero alt? Keep the Culture Wars Elden Ring out of this thread please.

To bring this topic back, it seems the next 5 heroes have been leaked.

Tacticians

  • Professor X
  • Jia Jing
  • Locus

Duelists

  • Trapster

Vanguards

  • Colossus

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#122  Edited By judaspete
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@Maroxad: @pclover1980: Yeah, sorry. I know I'm part of the problem here. A lot if us interneters have a strong instinct to "well actually" at anyone we disagree with, and that sparks another "well actually" in response. And then our instinct to always have the last word takes control and causes the discussion to cascade into a "well actually" shitstorm. I swear I've been trying to tone it down and walk away from conversations that aren't going anywhere, but it's like an addiction. Very easy to slip up. 😂

Anyway, what was this thread about? Marvel Rivals? Seems cool. Maybe I should try it.

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#123 Pedro
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@elderlord99 said:
@Pedro said:
@elderlord99 said:

I don't need a blind man telling me how short my vision is 🤣.

When multi billion dollar tech CEO's and heads of gaming studios are now publicly acknowledging that progressive agendas hurt sales that is exactly what im talking about. Otherwise the tide wouldn't be turning all. Activist have had full control of the game, tech and entertainment industry the past decade.

The more you type the more you confirm what you are oblivious too. It is fun to watch.😂

You don't even know wtf you're talking about. 🤷‍♂️

Please tell us.. how " the tide is turning"

You literally did what I said you would do and it is because you are oblivious.😂

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#124  Edited By Elderlord99
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@Pedro said:
@elderlord99 said:
@Pedro said:
@elderlord99 said:

I don't need a blind man telling me how short my vision is 🤣.

When multi billion dollar tech CEO's and heads of gaming studios are now publicly acknowledging that progressive agendas hurt sales that is exactly what im talking about. Otherwise the tide wouldn't be turning all. Activist have had full control of the game, tech and entertainment industry the past decade.

The more you type the more you confirm what you are oblivious too. It is fun to watch.😂

You don't even know wtf you're talking about. 🤷‍♂️

Please tell us.. how " the tide is turning"

You literally did what I said you would do and it is because you are oblivious.😂

Again, this is just more meaningless bullshit.

Elaborate on what you're saying.

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#125  Edited By Elderlord99
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@Maroxad said:

What the FromSoft happened to this thread? Is Elderlord another SilentChief/BlackHairdHero alt? Keep the Culture Wars Elden Ring out of this thread please.

To bring this topic back, it seems the next 5 heroes have been leaked.

Tacticians

  • Professor X
  • Jia Jing
  • Locus

Duelists

  • Trapster

Vanguards

  • Colossus

I'm fresh from IGN son, no alt needed. I thought I'd cruise the forums before all these websites die.

Anyway, I didn't start this conversation but apparently I hurt some people's feelings 🤭

I think I'm going to go play more Marvel Rivals, you all have fun.

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#126 Pedro
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@elderlord99 said:

Again, this is just more meaningless bullshit.

Elaborate on what you're saying.

That is correct. Thus, the reason I am enjoying you "defend" your bullshit.😊

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#127 Elderlord99
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@Pedro said:
@elderlord99 said:

Again, this is just more meaningless bullshit.

Elaborate on what you're saying.

That is correct. Thus, the reason I am enjoying you "defend" your bullshit.😊

Everything I said was true and that got ya in the feelers 🤣

Now I'm asking you to actually elaborate on your point but apparently you don't have one...

Good day!

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#128  Edited By Pedro
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@elderlord99 said:

Everything I said was true and that got ya in the feelers 🤣

Now I'm asking you to actually elaborate on your point but apparently you don't have one...

Good day!

Last I check, your feelings are hurt every time a character isn't design to appeal to you.😂 When you were called out you got so upset that you try to claim I didn't work in the industry and then deflected to me being a DEI hire.🤣 Dem feelings.

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#129  Edited By Elderlord99
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@Pedro said:
@elderlord99 said:

Everything I said was true and that got ya in the feelers 🤣

Now I'm asking you to actually elaborate on your point but apparently you don't have one...

Good day!

Last I check, your feelings are hurt every time a character isn't design to appeal to you.😂 When you were called out you got so upset that you try to claim I didn't work in the industry and then deflected to me being a DEI hire.🤣 Dem feelings.

I claimed you didn't work in The industry? No I absolutely think you do. You're a perfect example of why the western game industry is currently struggling. I'm simply saying people like you are going to have a rough time in the years to come because you are bad for business.

Now elaborate on your point how the tide is turning exactly?

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#130 uninspiredcup
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@last_lap: Def

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#131  Edited By SargentD
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Game has legs, reaching new highs, this is a bigger launch than Helldivers 2.

It's still climbing

When will it hit its official peak

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#132 Pedro
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@elderlord99 said:

I claimed you didn't work in The industry? No I absolutely think you do. You're a perfect example of why the western game industry is currently struggling. I'm simply saying people like you are going to have a rough time in the years to come because you are bad for business.

Now elaborate on your point how the tide is turning exactly?

Well, you are wrong.

@elderlord99 said: fortunately I think the tide is turning

Keep up with your stuff man. You are literally the only person who made that claim.🤭

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@Pedro said:
@elderlord99 said:

I claimed you didn't work in The industry? No I absolutely think you do. You're a perfect example of why the western game industry is currently struggling. I'm simply saying people like you are going to have a rough time in the years to come because you are bad for business.

Now elaborate on your point how the tide is turning exactly?

Well, you are wrong.

@elderlord99 said: fortunately I think the tide is turning

Keep up with your stuff man. You are literally the only person who made that claim.🤭

No I'm not 🤣.

You said it's turning but not in the way I think it is... elaborate please?

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#134 Pedro
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@elderlord99 said:

No I'm not 🤣.

You said it's turning but not in the way I think it is... elaborate please?

You are but you are also oblivious.

And, no! I want when it happens to see you all violently backpedal.🤭

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#135  Edited By Elderlord99
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@Pedro said:
@elderlord99 said:

No I'm not 🤣.

You said it's turning but not in the way I think it is... elaborate please?

You are but you are also oblivious.

And, no! I want when it happens to see you all violently backpedal.🤭

Riiight. I'll just ignore the CEO's publicly coming out against it 🤣

I won't have to backpedal on the fact that... you lost!

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#136 Pedro
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@elderlord99 said:

Riiight. I'll just ignore the CEO's publicly coming out against it 🤣

Like I said many times, you are too oblivious to see the obvious and it is extra funny that you think I was referencing your short-sighted nonsense about CEOs. 🤭

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#137 Elderlord99
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@Pedro said:
@elderlord99 said:

Riiight. I'll just ignore the CEO's publicly coming out against it 🤣

Like I said many times, you are too oblivious to see the obvious and it is extra funny that you think I was referencing your short-sighted nonsense about CEOs. 🤭

It won't matter. Involving DEI.. you lost!

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#138 Pedro
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@elderlord99 said:

It won't matter. Involving DEI.. you lost!

You are free to believe what you want to believe. 🤭

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#139 Warm_Gun
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Not my kind of game, and designs look too much like fucking modern anime.