Mass Effect 2 is not an RPG.

It's pretty apparent different people have different views on what a RPG is. Personally, I think allot of games out there consider themselves RPGs when theyreally are action games.

In the case ofMass Effect(haven't gotten around to playing the second). I consider ita shooter and/or conversation game more then a RPG as I define it.

[QUOTE="-Feath-"]RPGs are not about playing a role, if that were the case, Half Life 2 is an RPG where you play the role of Gordon Freeman, hell even a game as mind numbingly stupid as counter-strike is an RPG. The things that set RPGs apart (or should), are the choices that you make and how they affect the narrative, your character and others around you, along with the game world itself. Now I don't know if the TC played the same game as me, but Mass Effect 2 was an RPG and a good one at that; it was no Deus Ex, but it was good. Revan_911

Are you sure we are playing the same game? I've managed to murder my entire crew + Shephard because I deliberately made the wrong choices, if that's not severe enough I don't know what is. 2 conversation conflicts would also come up during the game, choose wrongly and you would lose crew members.

Beside, Bioware already said what becomes of ME3 are based on your choices made in ME2, according to you this intergration is "mind blowing" for ME1 ==> ME2 so why are you complaining about the lack of immediate consequences? The choices you made now might actually have bigger impact than you think in ME3

It's pretty apparent different people have different views on what a RPG is. Personally, I think allot of games out there consider themselves RPGs when theyreally are action games.

In the case ofMass Effect(haven't gotten around to playing the second). I consider ita shooter and/or conversation game more then a RPG as I define it.

FragTycoon

Just got play something with traditional RPG rules and shut the hell up about ME2.

I might also point you in the direction of the RPG Codex, I think you'd fit right in. However, you need to learn how to complain and be funny before you can truely fit in there. Currently you're only succeeding at one of them.blaaah

Mods don't allow me to be funny. Last time i tried to be funny i got banned for a day, funny man.

it is fps with rpg elements, but since this game is good i do not care is it rpg or not NLahren

Its more of an rpg then Demon Souls is and Demon Souls won RPG of the year on gamespot. Heck Id say its even more of an rpg then Fallout3.

For me personally I consider ME1/2 half RPG and half shooter.. 50/50. Its just as much a RPG with shooting elements as it is a shooter with rpg elements.

Role Playing Game a game were you define and craft a role for your character, theres an overarching end goal but how you reach that goal is determined by the player, ME2 does this, (Oh yeh and consequences for your choices) therefroe it's an RPG, An RPG is not defined by loot or carrying around 40, million versions of a sword when your only going to use 1 god weapon anyway or even by some D&D based combat mode yes these have become staples over the years but they are only 1 way of approaching the genre, That said the absolute removal of the inventory system was a poor choice as was the decision to remove helmet toggle, but they dont damage the ME2 experience to a huge degree.

[QUOTE="mo0ksi"]It has enough role playing elements to be called an RPG. But it has plenty of evidence to see that it's action-centric. The original was never a deep RPG, and in some ways it was poorly done because it was torn being a TPS and an RPG. Mass Effect 2 knows what it is this time. It knows it's an action-RPG. Action comes first, and with the way it was executed it felt like this is what the series should have been in the first place. It's a lot more engaging, and the pacing isn't halted like the original and its god-awful inventory system and empty planets. It kept the most important RPG elements of the original onto ME2, while making great improvements with everything around it. This results in a much better GAME than the original could have aspired to be. It surpasses the original in every aspect except for maybe the storyline. Revan, you complain, complain and complain thinking that it's going to make yourself feel a little better. Quite frankly, that's pretty damn sad.Revan_911

not having an inventorya nd making hte combat more smooth doesn tmake it selling out or any less rpg. Have you even played the game?

ME1 and ME2 are action rpgs, its obvious.

[QUOTE="Supafly1"]And Final Fantasy is a turn based strategy game, Morrowind is a hack'n slash game, Fallout is a shooter, Baldur's Gate is a real time strategy game. By your logic, none of them is an RPG game, so I have to ask the question - what is an RPG game by your standards?Revan_911

Inventory: Yes

Items: Yes.

Classes: Yes.

Levels: present.

Spells: Adepts and engineers have far more than "just two". Pull, warp, push, shockwave, singularity are just a few examples for the adept.

Trading: Yes, although you can only buy stuff.

Open world: Yeap.

Potions: Hmm, doesn't really fit a futuristic setting, now does it?

Quests: Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Effect_2 Mass Effect 2 is an action role-playing game

Gamespot says its an action Role-playing game. Any site with any credibility whatsoever agrees.

I honestly do not even believe the TC ever played ME2 Because all his anti-ME2 ranting goes far beyond someone that just did not like a game. I think the few people that call the game a shooter only played as a soldier and only ever used adrenaline rush. Also those people probably have no understanding of how to use their team.

Using biotics, tech, your team you can kill bosses in seconds with never firing a shot. Take a enemy with full health and full armor (yellow bar) have a member cast heavy warp and you cast reave there armor will be gone then now have someone cast pull and by that time you can cast again so then use throw. Chances are a enemy with full armor dead in seconds with no a shot fired.

[QUOTE="Revan_911"][QUOTE="Supafly1"]And Final Fantasy is a turn based strategy game, Morrowind is a hack'n slash game, Fallout is a shooter, Baldur's Gate is a real time strategy game. By your logic, none of them is an RPG game, so I have to ask the question - what is an RPG game by your standards?skelebull3000

Inventory: Yes

Items: Yes.

Classes: Yes.

Levels: present.

Spells: Adepts and engineers have far more than "just two". Pull, warp, push, shockwave, singularity are just a few examples for the adept.

Trading: Yes, although you can only buy stuff.

Open world: Yeap.

Potions: Hmm, doesn't really fit a futuristic setting, now does it?

Quests: Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Effect_2 Mass Effect 2 is an action role-playing game

Gamespot says its an action Role-playing game. Any site with any credibility whatsoever agrees.

Its more of a shooter then an RPG, but that is what Mass Effect should have been in the first place.

JangoWuzHere

that's what Mass Effect 1 was anyways

except i guess people mistook clumsy controls and gimmicky inventory nightmare as "deep"

I thought it was closer to crackwon than me1. In crackdown you can decide what character you want, you can upgrade powers, get new weapons and have an open world, but its not an rpg. Sure me2 is a good game, but its an action adventure/tps rather than rpg.

JONO51

[QUOTE="JONO51"]

I thought it was closer to crackwon than me1. In crackdown you can decide what character you want, you can upgrade powers, get new weapons and have an open world, but its not an rpg. Sure me2 is a good game, but its an action adventure/tps rather than rpg.

Revan_911

to be fair, KOTOR wasn't a very deep rpg gameplay-wise either, just get shock and flurry with two lightsabres and you're good to go, Malek was a joke of a boss

Bioware games tend to not show off rpg gameplay as well as possible, they've always been more focused on story elements than on creating some deep gameplay structure, that's for Blizzard, DAO is probably the biggest effort gameplay-wise since Baldur's Gate 2

[QUOTE="JONO51"]

I thought it was closer to crackwon than me1. In crackdown you can decide what character you want, you can upgrade powers, get new weapons and have an open world, but its not an rpg. Sure me2 is a good game, but its an action adventure/tps rather than rpg.

Revan_911

You create a character... that doesn't make it a RPG. Classes don't play any different, they just give you different powers. That's no different than a beat em up where one person is weak but fast, the other is strong but slow, etc Choices... to me this is just playing to the advantages that the video game medium has over others when telling stories. Weapon choices... every shooter and action game ever made has multiple weapons. Upgrades... RE5 lets you upgrade your guns and so do most game nowadays. The "rpg elements" of ME2 are insanely boiled down to their most barebones components. There are games that don't label themselves RPGs at all that go more in depth with these elements than ME2. Maybe it is a RPG, but it one of the most dumbed down and simplified ones out there in terms of delivering RPG mechanics and the few mechanics it does offer are less than a lot of games that don't consider themselves to be one at all.Senor_Kami

Also what do you consider a rpg then? I feel ME2 has all the RPG elements so if you do not then what is it lacking? What elements are missing? I am not just asking for the response it is dumbed down though but how is this less of a rpg then most rpgs?

[QUOTE="Doctor-McNinja"][QUOTE="Revan_911"] Yet it had less RPG elements than....any other RPG game. And it just doesn't feel like playing an RPG. It feels like playing a third person shooter. A stiff third person shooter.Revan_911

It's a rpg with a strong shooter element. Shooting isn't the only mechanic in the game, so it isn't just a shooter. You can choose to ignore this to make some kind of erroneous silly point, but that doesn't put you anywhere in the universe of being correct.

[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]You create a character... that doesn't make it a RPG. Classes don't play any different, they just give you different powers. That's no different than a beat em up where one person is weak but fast, the other is strong but slow, etc Choices... to me this is just playing to the advantages that the video game medium has over others when telling stories. Weapon choices... every shooter and action game ever made has multiple weapons. Upgrades... RE5 lets you upgrade your guns and so do most game nowadays. The "rpg elements" of ME2 are insanely boiled down to their most barebones components. There are games that don't label themselves RPGs at all that go more in depth with these elements than ME2. Maybe it is a RPG, but it one of the most dumbed down and simplified ones out there in terms of delivering RPG mechanics and the few mechanics it does offer are less than a lot of games that don't consider themselves to be one at all.SilentlyMad

Also what do you consider a rpg then? I feel ME2 has all the RPG elements so if you do not then what is it lacking? What elements are missing? I am not just asking for the response it is dumbed down though but how is this less of a rpg then most rpgs?

[QUOTE="Revan_911"][QUOTE="JONO51"]

I thought it was closer to crackwon than me1. In crackdown you can decide what character you want, you can upgrade powers, get new weapons and have an open world, but its not an rpg. Sure me2 is a good game, but its an action adventure/tps rather than rpg.

Supafly1

It's an Action-RPG. A hybrid, like how Borderlands is a hybrid of FPS and RPG. But I like watching you cry about it, so continue to bash it, by all means. :lol:

[QUOTE="SilentlyMad"]

[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]You create a character... that doesn't make it a RPG. Classes don't play any different, they just give you different powers. That's no different than a beat em up where one person is weak but fast, the other is strong but slow, etc Choices... to me this is just playing to the advantages that the video game medium has over others when telling stories. Weapon choices... every shooter and action game ever made has multiple weapons. Upgrades... RE5 lets you upgrade your guns and so do most game nowadays. The "rpg elements" of ME2 are insanely boiled down to their most barebones components. There are games that don't label themselves RPGs at all that go more in depth with these elements than ME2. Maybe it is a RPG, but it one of the most dumbed down and simplified ones out there in terms of delivering RPG mechanics and the few mechanics it does offer are less than a lot of games that don't consider themselves to be one at all.Revan_911

Also what do you consider a rpg then? I feel ME2 has all the RPG elements so if you do not then what is it lacking? What elements are missing? I am not just asking for the response it is dumbed down though but how is this less of a rpg then most rpgs?

dude that's kind of a dumb thing to say, KOTOR is the exact example of a game you're being critical of, it has ranged and melee but ranged in that game sucks even at the beginning, and when you get lightsabers it's all over for the ranged class, in essence KOTOR is a "dumbed down rpg", did that make it not an rpg? nope

[QUOTE="Revan_911"][QUOTE="SilentlyMad"]First off all classes are not played the same. Sentinal and soldier for example are played different.

Also what do you consider a rpg then? I feel ME2 has all the RPG elements so if you do not then what is it lacking? What elements are missing? I am not just asking for the response it is dumbed down though but how is this less of a rpg then most rpgs?

88mphSlayer

dude that's kind of a dumb thing to say, KOTOR is the exact example of a game you're being critical of, it has ranged and melee but ranged in that game sucks even at the beginning, and when you get lightsabers it's all over for the ranged class, in essence KOTOR is a "dumbed down rpg", did that make it not an rpg? nope

You create a character... that doesn't make it a RPG. Classes don't play any different, they just give you different powers. That's no different than a beat em up where one person is weak but fast, the other is strong but slow, etc Choices... to me this is just playing to the advantages that the video game medium has over others when telling stories. Weapon choices... every shooter and action game ever made has multiple weapons. Upgrades... RE5 lets you upgrade your guns and so do most game nowadays. The "rpg elements" of ME2 are insanely boiled down to their most barebones components. There are games that don't label themselves RPGs at all that go more in depth with these elements than ME2. Maybe it is a RPG, but it one of the most dumbed down and simplified ones out there in terms of delivering RPG mechanics and the few mechanics it does offer are less than a lot of games that don't consider themselves to be one at all.Senor_Kami

Also what do you consider a rpg then? I feel ME2 has all the RPG elements so if you do not then what is it lacking? What elements are missing? I am not just asking for the response it is dumbed down though but how is this less of a rpg then most rpgs?

[QUOTE="88mphSlayer"]

[QUOTE="Revan_911"] All classes are played the same. You shoot, you duck in cover, and then you shoot some more. Does it matter that a Soldier does more damage than a Tech, but a Tech can cast a damage spell every five seconds? No ? It's still the same game play, as opposed to a melee class and a ranged class in a REAL rpg.Revan_911

dude that's kind of a dumb thing to say, KOTOR is the exact example of a game you're being critical of, it has ranged and melee but ranged in that game sucks even at the beginning, and when you get lightsabers it's all over for the ranged class, in essence KOTOR is a "dumbed down rpg", did that make it not an rpg? nope

okay so go full biotic if it's not different enough for you

the first game did the same thing - had "middle of the road" classes for players that wanted to experiment but liked having guns for backup, no way i was going to finish as a biotic only using a pistol like i was using assault rifles as a soldier

[QUOTE="SilentlyMad"]

[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]You create a character... that doesn't make it a RPG. Classes don't play any different, they just give you different powers. That's no different than a beat em up where one person is weak but fast, the other is strong but slow, etc Choices... to me this is just playing to the advantages that the video game medium has over others when telling stories. Weapon choices... every shooter and action game ever made has multiple weapons. Upgrades... RE5 lets you upgrade your guns and so do most game nowadays. The "rpg elements" of ME2 are insanely boiled down to their most barebones components. There are games that don't label themselves RPGs at all that go more in depth with these elements than ME2. Maybe it is a RPG, but it one of the most dumbed down and simplified ones out there in terms of delivering RPG mechanics and the few mechanics it does offer are less than a lot of games that don't consider themselves to be one at all.Revan_911

Also what do you consider a rpg then? I feel ME2 has all the RPG elements so if you do not then what is it lacking? What elements are missing? I am not just asking for the response it is dumbed down though but how is this less of a rpg then most rpgs?

[QUOTE="88mphSlayer"]

[QUOTE="Revan_911"] All classes are played the same. You shoot, you duck in cover, and then you shoot some more. Does it matter that a Soldier does more damage than a Tech, but a Tech can cast a damage spell every five seconds? No ? It's still the same game play, as opposed to a melee class and a ranged class in a REAL rpg.Revan_911

dude that's kind of a dumb thing to say, KOTOR is the exact example of a game you're being critical of, it has ranged and melee but ranged in that game sucks even at the beginning, and when you get lightsabers it's all over for the ranged class, in essence KOTOR is a "dumbed down rpg", did that make it not an rpg? nope

[QUOTE="Revan_911"][QUOTE="Supafly1"]And Final Fantasy is a turn based strategy game, Morrowind is a hack'n slash game, Fallout is a shooter, Baldur's Gate is a real time strategy game. By your logic, none of them is an RPG game, so I have to ask the question - what is an RPG game by your standards?skelebull3000

Inventory: Yes

Items: Yes.

Classes: Yes.

Levels: present.

Spells: Adepts and engineers have far more than "just two". Pull, warp, push, shockwave, singularity are just a few examples for the adept.

Trading: Yes, although you can only buy stuff.

Open world: Yeap.

Potions: Hmm, doesn't really fit a futuristic setting, now does it?

Quests: Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Effect_2 Mass Effect 2 is an action role-playing game

Gamespot says its an action Role-playing game. Any site with any credibility whatsoever agrees.

Oh,you again Revan_911?

Yes,yes,we already know you don´t like ME2...and guess what? We don´t care.

Bye now.

I have no idea what an RPG is anymore anyways, so I really don't care, since it's an awesome game regardless.enterawesome

This is starting to become my attitude as well.

[QUOTE="skelebull3000"]

[QUOTE="Revan_911"] Inventory, Items, Classes, Levels , Spells (2 spells doesn't make an RPG), Trading, Open worlds, potions, quests,. I know that ME2 had some of these elements, but in the end it felt like playing a lesser version of Gears of War. That's what i didn't like.blue_hazy_basic

Inventory: Yes

Items: Yes.

Classes: Yes.

Levels: present.

Spells: Adepts and engineers have far more than "just two". Pull, warp, push, shockwave, singularity are just a few examples for the adept.

Trading: Yes, although you can only buy stuff.

Open world: Yeap.

Potions: Hmm, doesn't really fit a futuristic setting, now does it?

Quests: Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Effect_2 Mass Effect 2 is an action role-playing game

Gamespot says its an action Role-playing game. Any site with any credibility whatsoever agrees.

Damn, what did ME2 do to you revan, this is like the third thread I've seen from you that in some way discredits this title (even away from the System Wars forums). We get it, you didn't like the game for various, (at times ridiculous) reasons but at this point it's terribly transparent right now.

RPG's are HEAVILY story driven as well as character development, and thats what Mass Effect is, Story Driven, the combat system definately fits the type of RPG it is however, and besides, with logic like that, Fallout 3 is a shooter as well. Regardless of what type of game people think it is, its an awesome game.