Mass Effect 3 - How does Bioware perfect the grand finale?

sort of random i know but u know how u do missions for your crew members to get that extra power they all have um i failed Samara's mission is there any way to get her power and alt costume now?murat8

RichardStallman

[QUOTE="h575309"][QUOTE="Yandere"]

Oh sorry, it's Modern Warfare, not Halo.

What I got out of what he was saying is:

"Our game has little rules and regulations, we want to simplify things for gamers with short attention spans and enjoy games with tons of flash and no substance"

But I'm not saying Mass Effect 2 is simplified or anything, I would have to play the game to decide that.

- bring grenades back

- helmet toggle

- I don't mind scanning planets, just have upgrades that makes it faster or even have a radar to follow like when there's an anomaly but for elements

- have a store where you can buy and sell elements

- romancing outside the normandy

- have squad mates revive you if they have the ability

- when you hack mechs, you take control of them and see from their perspective

- have a lounge in the normandy

- increase Shepards dancing skills

- able to romance strippers if you tip them good enough

[QUOTE="murat8"]sort of random i know but u know how u do missions for your crew members to get that extra power they all have um i failed Samara's mission is there any way to get her power and alt costume now?Lto_thaG

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"][QUOTE="murat8"]sort of random i know but u know how u do missions for your crew members to get that extra power they all have um i failed Samara's mission is there any way to get her power and alt costume now?murat8

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="h575309"] Whats your point? He never said the game was a straight up mindless shooter. Its still an RPG, but the combat portion of the game is on the same level as the best shooters. Thats HIS point.h575309

What I got out of what he was saying is:

"Our game has little rules and regulations, we want to simplify things for gamers with short attention spans and enjoy games with tons of flash and no substance"

But I'm not saying Mass Effect 2 is simplified or anything, I would have to play the game to decide that.

I do not find those "RPG elements", and I understand it has the other mechanics that you pointed out but they seem way too limited.

[QUOTE="h575309"][QUOTE="Yandere"]

What I got out of what he was saying is:

"Our game has little rules and regulations, we want to simplify things for gamers with short attention spans and enjoy games with tons of flash and no substance"

But I'm not saying Mass Effect 2 is simplified or anything, I would have to play the game to decide that.

I do not find those "RPG elements", and I understand it has the other mechanics that you pointed out but they seem way too limited.

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"][QUOTE="murat8"]sort of random i know but u know how u do missions for your crew members to get that extra power they all have um i failed Samara's mission is there any way to get her power and alt costume now?murat8

[QUOTE="mirriorman"]

[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"]Romance with WrexLto_thaG

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="h575309"] non linear story, paragon/renegade, NPC character development .h575309

I do not find those "RPG elements", and I understand it has the other mechanics that you pointed out but they seem way too limited.

Character development through leveling and gaining items is, I would not say character development through the storyline is.

[QUOTE="fzdk"][QUOTE="RichardStallman"]

It will streamline it, like the picture above shows.

Yandere

Well, it looks like Bioware really is focusing towards the Call of Duty crowd.

They improved ME2 more then I thought possible, so I wouldnt be surprised it ME3 is even better!
So far this has been a AAA series imo! Cant wait for ME3!

Oh sorry, it's Modern Warfare, not Halo.

Yandere

Sad but true, hopefully Dragon Age doesn't receive the same treatment.

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"][QUOTE="mirriorman"]theres a mod for that if your intrested....:P

mirriorman

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="fzdk"] i like it tyhat way id rather they get rid of the rpg elements compltely rpgs suckThatGuyFromB4

Well, it looks like Bioware really is focusing towards the Call of Duty crowd.

If the first wasn't why not make the second complex?

[QUOTE="mirriorman"]

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"] The fact that you know about that makes me shiver.Lto_thaG

[QUOTE="murat8"][QUOTE="Lto_thaG"] Restarting is the only way I think.h575309

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"][QUOTE="mirriorman"]i got a volus one as well:P

mirriorman

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

Oh sorry, it's Modern Warfare, not Halo.

RichardStallman

Sad but true, hopefully Dragon Age doesn't receive the same treatment.

As in the sequel?

[QUOTE="h575309"][QUOTE="Yandere"]

I do not find those "RPG elements", and I understand it has the other mechanics that you pointed out but they seem way too limited.

Character development through leveling and gaining items is, I would not say character development through the storyline is.

[QUOTE="ThatGuyFromB4"]

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

Well, it looks like Bioware really is focusing towards the Call of Duty crowd.

Yandere

If the first wasn't why not make the second complex?

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="h575309"] How is character development not an RPG element? :?h575309

Character development through leveling and gaining items is, I would not say character development through the storyline is.

Armor and weapons have the same amount of effect on a character than skills, advancing through items is a big characteristic of RPGs.

Also, not all RPGs have characters that you control that speak.

Bigger levels with drivable parts

better cover system (jump from cover to cover like in Gears and U2

no elevators in normandy

bigger cities

level 60 again

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="ThatGuyFromB4"]because the first mass effect was such a complex rpg, right? stop whining.

ThatGuyFromB4

If the first wasn't why not make the second complex?

That's fine to me, but a lot of people ignore that.

[QUOTE="psn8214"]

My only complaints with the game:

- Helmet toggle. Add it.

- Please give me a crouch button.

That is all.

h575309

I like it aswell. I loved Mako on main missions but not to explore planets. Planet scanning was a good improvement imo

[QUOTE="RichardStallman"]

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

Oh sorry, it's Modern Warfare, not Halo.

Yandere

Sad but true, hopefully Dragon Age doesn't receive the same treatment.

As in the sequel?

[QUOTE="mirriorman"]

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"] You even have them installed? Dear Lord.Lto_thaG

1 = Get rid of scanning, EXTREMELY tedious!!!... this thing made me agree with gamespot to give it a 9.0 instead of 9.5

2= Make the resources you gather USEFUL for something! Upgrades etc, were too cheap considering the amount of minerals you could gather (I had about 150k eezo and 500k of the other minerals, thinking they would be of use for something before i finished the game.

3 = Fix bugs and clean the game up before release.

4 = Make it longer than ME1 & ME2 :D

5 = More side missions.. ATLEAST one in each star system like in ME1

6 = Make it possible to have a Volus and an original Prothean on your team(awoken from cryo stasis or something)... hanar and Elcor in your crew on the Normandy.

7 = Add Unique findable objects, on side missions (guns, armor bits etc)

8 = More interesting missions where you have to use dialouge in a smart way (not just paragon or renegade path)... *spoliers, like on the mission with samaras daughter, you had to gather clues and listen to samaras adviceto say the right things... or mission fail.

9 = Don't let the game hold your hand, make the player him/herself figure out how to apporach an objective.

10 = Finnish the story, improve graphics, sound, more romance options etc

Fix all that and it will be 10/10

oh and don't go all cheap with exclusive content to people who preordered or bought the deluxe versions.

Get rid of the planet scanning.
Bring back grenades.
Bring back my crouch button.

Lto_thaG

1 = Get rid of scanning, EXTREMELY tedious!!!... this thing made me agree with gamespot to give it a 9.0 instead of 9.5

2= Make the resources you gather USEFUL for something! Upgrades etc, were too cheap considering the amount of minerals you could gather (I had about 150k eezo and 500k of the other minerals, thinking they would be of use for something before i finished the game.

3 = Fix bugs and clean the game up before release.

4 = Make it longer than ME1 & ME2 :D

5 = More side missions.. ATLEAST one in each star system like in ME1

6 = Make it possible to have a Volus and an original Prothean on your team(awoken from cryo stasis or something)... hanar and Elcor in your crew on the Normandy.

7 = Add Unique findable objects, on side missions (guns, armor bits etc)

8 = More interesting missions where you have to use dialouge in a smart way (not just paragon or renegade path)... *spoliers, like on the mission with samaras daughter, you had to gather clues and listen to samaras adviceto say the right things... or mission fail.

9 = Don't let the game hold your hand, make the player him/herself figure out how to apporach an objective.

10 = Finnish the story, improve graphics, sound, more romance options etc

Fix all that and it will be 10/10

Throw in some cuddly teddy bear type aliens.

Seriously though, there needs to be more interaction between squad members. There wasn't enough in ME2.

AAllxxjjnn

Don't make 75% of the game collecting your crew members.

1. Include the entire returning to at least play a role in the fight against the Reavers (you can't tell me Wrex would be too busy to battle Reaver scum).

2. Provide dialog between the two characters in the player's current squad. This was done in Dragon Age, and made walking around the towns more lively, especially when Morrigan were going back and forth!

3. Provide a better antagonist. Sorry, but the Collectors did not cut it. Saren served a much better role, even if he was only a coverup for something greater. And it's kind of a bummer that the Geth are not as much of a threat as they used to be.

4. I'm also assuming that the actions of Shephard will result who will side with him in the finale. Cerebrus or the Alliance?

5. Provide better mini-games, or don't provide them at all. C'mon, Pazaak in KOTOR was a nice thing to burn time on, and it wasn't that incredibly complex.

[QUOTE="3KindgomsRandy"][QUOTE="Yandere"]

Well Bioware said they are trying to appeal to the "Halo crowd", so I would assume he's in the right place.

Oh sorry, it's Modern Warfare, not Halo.

[QUOTE="h575309"][QUOTE="psn8214"]

My only complaints with the game:

- Helmet toggle. Add it.

- Please give me a crouch button.

That is all.

psn8214

Didn't mind it. It was better than the Mako... :P ... and the reticule really didn't move all that slow.

I miss the Mako.... Can't believe im saying it, but it had a certain charm. Not saying it needs to be a massive part of the game, but I did enjoy the mako to an extent.

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

Get rid of the planet scanning.
Bring back grenades.
Bring back my crouch button.

dreman999

Scanning was quite fast in the PC version when you upgraded the Normandy for scanning. After that I actually enjoyed it, which was a bit strange. Broke up the pace a little I guess, I liked reading the planet descriptions mostly, some of them have interesting little stories, and some of the planets and stars looked awesome. I never had to go over the same planet twice to get materials. Grenades would be nice though, even if heavy weapons are significantly better, not the original grenade design though. Crouch would have been somewhat useful I guess, never really thought about it until now. To be honest though I don't care if they just rehash ME2, I would be quite happy with that. The game could do with a few more skills though, and some tougher choices that carry heavier consequences.

[QUOTE="psn8214"]

[QUOTE="h575309"] You liked the planet scanning :?TheEroica

Didn't mind it. It was better than the Mako... :P ... and the reticule really didn't move all that slow.

I miss the Mako.... Can't believe im saying it, but it had a certain charm. Not saying it needs to be a massive part of the game, but I did enjoy the mako to an extent.

The Feros and Noveria Mako sections were actually pretty awesome when you figured out the controls, and the first time going up an 80 degree slope is hilarious. It was just overused. They seem to be replacing it with something in future DLC though. Shame it didn't come with the original release. Oh well more to look forward too I guess.

Planet exploration is very impotant. The scanning doesn't cut it. Make it a lot more interactive. It's hard to implement, but it would add so much to the exploration. Other than that, no other complaints. Love the first and second game.

Change it back to Mass Effect1.

Fix biotics- The Adept class is useless at the higher difficulties due to the way the bread-and-butter biotic powers (ie lift/throw/singularity) are ineffective against armor/shields/barriers. Change it so that enemies have less protection but more health.

Fix planet scanning- Instead of a bunch of smaller deposits put 5 or so *huge* deposits on a planet, and turn scanning into more of a mini-game/puzzle. It'll still be tedious, but at least it won't take 5 minutes to clean-out a planet.

More squad interaction- Both with Shepard and with eachother. The squadmates are the best part of the game, don't limit them to a handful of conversations on the Normandy and the rare comment during a mission. In other words, steal the "party" chapter from the Dragon Age Origins playbook.

Less action- While the revamped combat system is a huge step-up from ME1, by the end of the game the constant combat becomes grating. Mix it up with some non-combat missions.

Better defined Paragon/Renegade personalities- The whole point behind the ME morality system was to get away from the trite good vs. evil of KOTOR and instead say "you're the good guy and you're going to save the galaxy: the moral dilemma is how you accomplish your goals". ME2 had that to a degree, but there are far too many good-for-the-sake-of-good/evil-for-the-sake-of-evil moments (or even worse, neutral actions that resulted in paragon/renegade points).

Fix biotics- The Adept class is useless at the higher difficulties due to the way the bread-and-butter biotic powers (ie lift/throw/singularity) are ineffective against armor/shields/barriers. Change it so that enemies have less protection but more health.

PBSnipes

This I can agree with, I am playing on insanity now and I rarely use any biotic powers unless it is against a Krogan. Once the shields are down for majority of the enemies it is barely worth it to use your biotic powers. I agree that a barrier should stop biotic powers but how does armor prevent me from using pull?

ME2 had that to a degree, but there are far too many good-for-the-sake-of-good/evil-for-the-sake-of-evil moments PBSnipes

You mean like shooting a Quarian because he is scared about the Collectors?

Having an actual story. Not having a "human reaper."Mark36111

[spoiler] You should use spoiler tags next time [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="RichardStallman"]

It will streamline it, like the picture above shows.

dont-read-this

I lol'd. Sad that it's true.

Fix biotics- The Adept class is useless at the higher difficulties due to the way the bread-and-butter biotic powers (ie lift/throw/singularity) are ineffective against armor/shields/barriers. Change it so that enemies have less protection but more health.

PBSnipes

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

Fix biotics- The Adept class is useless at the higher difficulties due to the way the bread-and-butter biotic powers (ie lift/throw/singularity) are ineffective against armor/shields/barriers. Change it so that enemies have less protection but more health.

dreman999

I am playing on insanity and I cannot use pull on any shield/armor/barrier enemies until their protection is fully depleted.

[QUOTE="dreman999"]

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

Fix biotics- The Adept class is useless at the higher difficulties due to the way the bread-and-butter biotic powers (ie lift/throw/singularity) are ineffective against armor/shields/barriers. Change it so that enemies have less protection but more health.

I am playing on insanity and I cannot use pull on any shield/armor/barrier enemies until their protection is fully depleted.