Mass Effect is 6.74 GB...room to grow

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]

here found the link.

Dev says so- http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1022780&postcount=34

owned!

[/QUOT

"apparently attributed to DRM, but I wouldn't know for sure"

BioShockOwnz

does it even matter though, its NOT there.LOL!!!!!!!

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]

here found the link.

Dev says so- http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1022780&postcount=34

owned!

[/QUOT

"apparently attributed to DRM, but I wouldn't know for sure"

killzowned24

does it even matter though, its NOT there.LOL!!!!!!!

What?

That's just some random member of that forum who can't even explain what he's talking about.

It's not any more credible than you saying it.

[QUOTE="KingOfKonging"][QUOTE="neogeo419"][QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="KingOfKonging"][QUOTE="killzowned24"]

lol,360 dvd is 7 gigs,lessthen half gig to spare.

Blu-ray FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

killzowned24

What? Where the Hell are you getting this from.

The 360 uses dual layer DVD 9's.

Hint: The "9" stands for 9 gigs.

360 dvd is 7.95GB and the .95 goes to DRM.

It's not even true, he COMPLETELY made that up.

The 360 discs have 9 gigs available for games.

here found the link.

Dev says so- http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1022780&postcount=34

owned!

Pathetic attempt. The post you cited on another forum from some random guy even states "but I wouldn't know for sure" at the end of it.

I honestly could care less what size the disk is. The games the system has easily dominate what ps3 is offering with their gimmick of bluray.

[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]

here found the link.

Dev says so- http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1022780&postcount=34

owned!

[/QUOT

"apparently attributed to DRM, but I wouldn't know for sure"

KingOfKonging

does it even matter though, its NOT there.LOL!!!!!!!

What?

That's just some random member of that forum who can't even explain what he's talking about.

It's not any more credible than you saying it.

Read the thread http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=42157&highlight=disc+speed&page=2 360dvd is 7 gigs

the guy is a dev, check his post history.

Actually the DVD 9 in the 360 can store up to 8 gig because I believe nearly a gig goes to DRM. At least, this is what I remember reading several times in magazines after the launch. But I'll have to check up on it though to be sure.oldskooler79

Regardless, this shows that 25-50 gigs probably isn't necessary, and isn't that the point?

[QUOTE="KingOfKonging"][QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]

here found the link.

Dev says so- http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1022780&postcount=34

owned!

[/QUOT

"apparently attributed to DRM, but I wouldn't know for sure"

killzowned24

does it even matter though, its NOT there.LOL!!!!!!!

What?

That's just some random member of that forum who can't even explain what he's talking about.

It's not any more credible than you saying it.

Read the thread http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=42157&highlight=disc+speed&page=2 360dvd is 7 gigs

the guy is a dev, check his post history.

I checked his post history. There is NOTHING to indicate he's a dev that I saw, and nothing to back up what he was saying.

Anyway, have fun with your PS3.

It is certainly underperforming.

The exact size of the disk has nothing to do with the thread. The fact is, the best games are comming out for the system without blu-ray.

Who cares if the disk is 7gigs, 8gigs, 9gigs... it does not change the fact that the game is done and fit fine on a single dvd. Proving that bluray was once again not needed.

[QUOTE="sadikovic"]If it was on the PS3 it woul be twice as long with "real" high deffinition LMAO 640p.mingo123

:cry:

TCHBO.

You wanna know how HUGE this game is cows?

Chespace on NeoGaf HAS THE GAME RIGHT NOW. And is 23 hours into it as of his last post. He estimates maybe 2 hours into the main story.

He spent 10 hours planet hopping and completing random sidequests and just grinding. On over 20 "Huge and completely unique planets". That's right. No re-hashed textures. The non-plot planets are huge areas of land with 3-4 outposts full of quests and fighting to undertake.

The "Plot planets" are full to the brim with cities, land, quests, fighting, dialogue, characters, etc. etc. etc.

The best part? He's only scratched the surface, he admits that he hasn't come close to visiting every planet.

Even more impressive? EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER HE'S TALKED TO HAS HAD A DIFFERENT FACE AND VOICE.

We aren't talking 10 characters here, we are talking into the hundreds. All of them completely unique.

This game takes up 7 gigs more or less, that's 2 gigs more space left to work with.

Mass Effect has hands down proven that Blu-Ray is not needed.

By the way Killzowned, read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?p=381932

For DVD,
4.7 GB ==> 4.337 GiB
8.5 GB ==> 7.91 GiB

For Blu-ray,
50 GB = 50,000,000,000 bytes. To convert that into the GiB that the computer sees, we divide by 1024^3, and get...46.56 GiB.

For HDDs,
80 GB ==> 74.5 GiB
120 GB ==> 111.75 GiB

For HD-DVD,
30 GB ==> 27.93 GiB
51 GB ==> 47.49 GiB

So, it's 8.55 GB, (very close to 9, as I said... hence where DVD"9" comes from.)

The point is, if a game like ME can be made easily with DVD why is Blu Ray needed?!?!?!

lol,360 dvd is 7 gigs,lessthen half gig to spare.

Blu-ray FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

killzowned24

u think dual-layered DVD's are 7 gigs...?

[QUOTE="KingOfKonging"][QUOTE="neogeo419"][QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="KingOfKonging"][QUOTE="killzowned24"]

lol,360 dvd is 7 gigs,lessthen half gig to spare.

Blu-ray FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

killzowned24

What? Where the Hell are you getting this from.

The 360 uses dual layer DVD 9's.

Hint: The "9" stands for 9 gigs.

360 dvd is 7.95GB and the .95 goes to DRM.

It's not even true, he COMPLETELY made that up.

The 360 discs have 9 gigs available for games.

here found the link.

Dev says so- http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1022780&postcount=34

owned!

that was a link to another forum...

further proof that blu ray is not needed. one of the most beautiful games and longer games this gen is only 6.74 GB

linked

again

DVD9 seems to be ok. room to grow and with better compression, games like mass effect 2+3 can be even bigger

Awinagainov

TC, you are ignorant.

[QUOTE="Awinagainov"]

further proof that blu ray is not needed. one of the most beautiful games and longer games this gen is only 6.74 GB

linked

again

DVD9 seems to be ok. room to grow and with better compression, games like mass effect 2+3 can be even bigger

Xolver

TC, you are ignorant.

Actually, no - codecs ARE the key.

Look at what VC-1 has done (it makes data occupy 1/4 the room data did using MPEG 2.)

By the way Killzowned, read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?p=381932

For DVD,
4.7 GB ==> 4.337 GiB
8.5 GB ==> 7.91 GiB

For Blu-ray,
50 GB = 50,000,000,000 bytes. To convert that into the GiB that the computer sees, we divide by 1024^3, and get...46.56 GiB.

For HDDs,
80 GB ==> 74.5 GiB
120 GB ==> 111.75 GiB

For HD-DVD,
30 GB ==> 27.93 GiB
51 GB ==> 47.49 GiB

So, it's 8.55 GB, (very close to 9, as I said... hence where DVD"9" comes from.)

The point is, if a game like ME can be made easily with DVD why is Blu Ray needed?!?!?!

KingOfKonging

LOL, hmm , you say 7.91!!! hello thats even less then I said!!!! 7 gb comes from DRM.

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]

lol,360 dvd is 7 gigs,lessthen half gig to spare.

Blu-ray FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ApocalypseXIVV

u think dual-layered DVD's are 7 gigs...?

360 games have special sections of coding/security on them which takes up space. I believe only a little more than 7GBs are available for writing.

[QUOTE="Xolver"][QUOTE="Awinagainov"]

further proof that blu ray is not needed. one of the most beautiful games and longer games this gen is only 6.74 GB

linked

again

DVD9 seems to be ok. room to grow and with better compression, games like mass effect 2+3 can be even bigger

KingOfKonging

TC, you are ignorant.

Actually, no - codecs ARE the key.

Look at what VC-1 has done (it makes data occupy 1/4 the room data did using MPEG 2.)

Saying it can be compressed actually works against you, even if 100% of the quality somehow survived. Why? Because PS3s don't explode when you compress, so you could do that for them as-well.

[QUOTE="KingOfKonging"]

By the way Killzowned, read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?p=381932

For DVD,
4.7 GB ==> 4.337 GiB
8.5 GB ==> 7.91 GiB

For Blu-ray,
50 GB = 50,000,000,000 bytes. To convert that into the GiB that the computer sees, we divide by 1024^3, and get...46.56 GiB.

For HDDs,
80 GB ==> 74.5 GiB
120 GB ==> 111.75 GiB

For HD-DVD,
30 GB ==> 27.93 GiB
51 GB ==> 47.49 GiB

So, it's 8.55 GB, (very close to 9, as I said... hence where DVD"9" comes from.)

The point is, if a game like ME can be made easily with DVD why is Blu Ray needed?!?!?!

killzowned24

LOL, hmm , you say 7.91!!! hello thats even less then I said!!!! 7 gb comes from DRM.

It has NOTHING to do with DRM, or something exclusive to 360 discs.

Read the links I posted, and the differences between GB and GiB.

[QUOTE="KingOfKonging"][QUOTE="Xolver"][QUOTE="Awinagainov"]

further proof that blu ray is not needed. one of the most beautiful games and longer games this gen is only 6.74 GB

linked

again

DVD9 seems to be ok. room to grow and with better compression, games like mass effect 2+3 can be even bigger

Xolver

TC, you are ignorant.

Actually, no - codecs ARE the key.

Look at what VC-1 has done (it makes data occupy 1/4 the room data did using MPEG 2.)

Saying it can be compressed actually works against you, even if 100% of the quality somehow survived. Why? Because PS3s don't explode when you compress, so you could do that for them as-well.

Yes, but then what's the point of blu Ray?

Now when we play this game, how many textures and character models will you see reused? How many sound effects will be reused? I know there is a ton of dialog, so they could be using a really good sounding, yet space saving codecs for the audio.

I really doubt many of the 10gb+ games that are on the PS3 are really necessary. Only now we see games like Assassins Creed, GTA 4 having problems fitting on DVD yet it will still be done.

Blu-Ray isn't necessary to have, but it is like a condom. You don't need it, but you will be a lot safer if you have it.

Now when we play this game, how many textures and character models will you see reused? How many sound effects will be reused? Wasdie

It'd take a lifetime to make a single game if they didn't.

Now when we play this game, how many textures and character models will you see reused? How many sound effects will be reused? I know there is a ton of dialog, so they could be using a really good sounding, yet space saving codecs for the audio.

I really doubt many of the 10gb+ games that are on the PS3 are really necessary. Only now we see games like Assassins Creed, GTA 4 having problems fitting on DVD yet it will still be done.

Blu-Ray isn't necessary to have, but it is like a condom. You don't need it, but you will be a lot safer if you have it.

Wasdie

There's nothing wrong with having the extra room to play with. The point is it's not necessary.

As with your analogy, you don't need it to have sex. Nice addition, but far from required to perform the activities ;)

[QUOTE="Xolver"][QUOTE="KingOfKonging"][QUOTE="Xolver"][QUOTE="Awinagainov"]

further proof that blu ray is not needed. one of the most beautiful games and longer games this gen is only 6.74 GB

linked

again

DVD9 seems to be ok. room to grow and with better compression, games like mass effect 2+3 can be even bigger

KingOfKonging

TC, you are ignorant.

Actually, no - codecs ARE the key.

Look at what VC-1 has done (it makes data occupy 1/4 the room data did using MPEG 2.)

Saying it can be compressed actually works against you, even if 100% of the quality somehow survived. Why? Because PS3s don't explode when you compress, so you could do that for them as-well.

Yes, but then what's the point of blu Ray?

Wait, wait, wait, wait. You seriously can not predict what I'm going to say now...? Really? Honestly? For real? Sheesh.

Well, guess what? If you can compress a game to 8 GB. By your logic, it would automatically be 24GB in BR because you can convert media types and the likes...? Well, what keeps PS3 devs from compressing and then adding more content?

Bottom line, compressing works only for and not against BR.

Uncharted, HS, and R and C say Hi. All 3 of those Ps3 games combined is shorter then MEHadoken_Kid

As with your analogy, you don't need it to have sex. Nice addition, but far from required to perform the activities ;)Dreams-Visions

Bottom line, compressing works only for and not against BR.Xolver

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]As with your analogy, you don't need it to have sex. Nice addition, but far from required to perform the activities ;)Jandurin

Can never be too safe ;)

You don't want to find out she has one on the way, only for you to have to reflect like, "I could have put one on...". ;)

[QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"]Uncharted, HS, and R and C say Hi. All 3 of those Ps3 games combined is shorter then MEkentaro22

Folklore is an RPG and it is not even 20 hours. and Bioshock(adventure FPS) is about 0 hours point is up till now Sony has yet to prove why Blu ray is needed yet for games.

[QUOTE="Xolver"]Bottom line, compressing works only for and not against BR.Jandurin

Hmm? Compressing video and audio shouldn't be a problem at all with regards to reading speed. It just decreases the quality.

[QUOTE="kentaro22"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"]Uncharted, HS, and R and C say Hi. All 3 of those Ps3 games combined is shorter then MEHadoken_Kid

Folklore is an RPG and it is not even 20 hours. and Bioshock(adventure FPS) is about 0 hours point is up till now Sony has yet to prove why Blu ray is needed yet for games.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Xolver"]Bottom line, compressing works only for and not against BR.Xolver

Hmm? Compressing video and audio shouldn't be a problem at all with regards to reading speed. It just decreases the quality.

lol its not sad... It proves bluray was an epic blunder. Xbox 360 beat PS3 to the marketplace by over a year, and saved the consumer money... plus it has all the worthwhile games this gen and has a followup console clearly coming out much sooner then the a PS4 (if that ever happens now).. so while all the suckers paid $600, have waited a year and received nothing in return, Lems will buy a new HD DVD xbox 720 or whatever by 2010 that will make the PS3 100% obsolete... we didnt need bluray this time around. Its fact. Best part is this next xbox will be right there at the $400 price range... not $600...and not only will it get a HD disc drive, but crysis level graphics.

[QUOTE="shadyd1717"]So you're ok with having a limited amount of space? yea Mass Effect is a long game and it fits on a dvd ...ok? so what if the developer wanted to make a game triple that amount ...now what? or is that "too" long now, stop acting like blu-ray isnt a good development, why would you want to make developers have to work longer on a game just to compress it when you can put it on a large capacity disc and call it a day? people are satisfied with "just good enough" or "see! it fits!", because their console doesnt have the best thing out, its sad really.Bdking57

do you really want to buy a new console so quickly. Console aren't made for short lifetimes. and why would ms start all over again. this isn't a good idea for ms to abandon there product and make a new one. its screwing there customers. The 360 hasn't saved anyone any money sorry all the hidden cost plus it breaking down have been a pain in the ass for some people. Were in a new gen now you put a product out now and let it become the future. If ms puts the hd-dvd on their console they be wasting there time. first hd-dvd could be dead and for all we know. sure ms can get some games on dvd but some devs are already complaining about lack of space now. what do you think will happen next year.

Wait, wait, wait, wait. You seriously can not predict what I'm going to say now...? Really? Honestly? For real? Sheesh.

Well, guess what? If you can compress a game to 8 GB. By your logic, it would automatically be 24GB in BR because you can convert media types and the likes...? Well, what keeps PS3 devs from compressing and then adding more content?

Bottom line, compressing works only for and not against BR.

Xolver

See you'd have a point if you had something to back it up. How many PS3 games have we seen that last much more that 8 hrs, with the exception of Oblivion?

What stops the devs from putting on tons more content? Time and money.

Not wanting to get into the HD/BLU-ray discusson out of multible reasons...

I am not sure how I feel about MS filling 6.74 GB... I expected it to fill alot more, and I am alittle nervous out of why it issnt "bigger" I hope it is just because it is compressed brilliently...

I mean I kinda thought this game would be the first 360 game I know of that needed 2 discs...

I am optimistic tho ^^

Not wanting to get into the HD/BLU-ray discusson out of multible reasons...

I am not sure how I feel about MS filling 6.74 GB... I expected it to fill alot more, and I am alittle nervous out of why it issnt "bigger" I hope it is just because it is compressed brilliently...

I mean I kinda thought this game would be the first 360 game I know of that needed 2 discs...

I am optimistic tho ^^

Maddie_Larkin

lol, blue dragon is 3 discs.

If ME is 6.84GB...then ME2 will not be different from ME....that only gives the devs bearly 1GB to improve the game...-D3MO-

Ignorance at its finest.

Ignorance at its finest. JimJackJose

If ME is 6.84GB...then ME2 will not be different from ME....that only gives the devs bearly 1GB to improve the game...-D3MO-

Games don't necessarily get that much bigger as they get more complex. As a matter of fact, as developers get more used to hardware they often learn how to do more with less resources.

[QUOTE="Xolver"]Wait, wait, wait, wait. You seriously can not predict what I'm going to say now...? Really? Honestly? For real? Sheesh.

Well, guess what? If you can compress a game to 8 GB. By your logic, it would automatically be 24GB in BR because you can convert media types and the likes...? Well, what keeps PS3 devs from compressing and then adding more content?

Bottom line, compressing works only for and not against BR.

blue_hazy_basic

See you'd have a point if you had something to back it up. How many PS3 games have we seen that last much more that 8 hrs, with the exception of Oblivion?

What stops the devs from putting on tons more content? Time and money.

Once again, arguments are being changed. This'll never stop, huh? :( I provided a pretty undeniable retort to counter what you said, and instead of acknowledging it, you nudge it off and come up with a different argument. I just hate that. This wouldn't be possible on a live chat.

I don't care developers didn't do what I said, I just said what's clearly possible and relevant to the argument, and that's that.

Anyway, developers have already proven actually what I'm saying is true, but I'm tired of saying the same things over and over.

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"]If ME is 6.84GB...then ME2 will not be different from ME....that only gives the devs bearly 1GB to improve the game...TyrantDragon55

Games don't necessarily get that much bigger as they get more complex. As a matter of fact, as developers get more used to hardware they often learn how to do more with less resources.

[QUOTE="JimJackJose"]

Ignorance at its finest.

Jandurin

I love it when sigs contain so much irony :)

Mark Twain- "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt." How very true ;)

[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="KingOfKonging"][QUOTE="neogeo419"][QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="KingOfKonging"][QUOTE="killzowned24"]

lol,360 dvd is 7 gigs,lessthen half gig to spare.

Blu-ray FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

neogeo419

What? Where the Hell are you getting this from.

The 360 uses dual layer DVD 9's.

Hint: The "9" stands for 9 gigs.

360 dvd is 7.95GB and the .95 goes to DRM.

It's not even true, he COMPLETELY made that up.

The 360 discs have 9 gigs available for games.

here found the link.

Dev says so- http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1022780&postcount=34

owned!

DVD9 has slightly under 9 GIGAbytes, however that does translates into 7.95 GIBIbytes. Gibibytes are Giga Binary Bytes which isa vastly different way to measure space.

[QUOTE="Nickman71"]

[QUOTE="kelkimble2k4"]Mass effect sucks and so does 360. kelkimble2k4

Great argument!

Not an argument!! It's an true statement.

Wow. :|

I haven't seen levels of fanboyism this high in quite some time.

Doesn't present a logicalargument (or even try to) and instead trolls mindlessly...This is sad.

If ME is 6.84GB...then ME2 will not be different from ME....that only gives the devs bearly 1GB to improve the game...-D3MO-

What does that mean, a new story line with new content is not worthwhile, if the gaphics not are upgraded?