Master Chief's Character Is So "Forced".

[QUOTE="zipozal"][QUOTE="Eltroz"]

Here are some Halo 3 facts since cow so quickly forget-

Halo 3 racks up $170 million 1st day more then Harry Potter and spider man-http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/092707-microsofts-halo-3-breaks-first-day.html

Halo 3 racks up $300 million in first week-http://www.azcentral.com/business/consumer/articles/1004biz-halo3sales04-ON.html

Movie Execs blame Halo 3 for low Oct movie sales-http://news.filefront.com/film-execs-blame-halo-3-for-poor-movie-ticket-sales/

Halo 3 sales so far 5.99 million and that is just in 2 monthshttp://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=6964which is more then any MGS game.

The power of Master chief is very strong. Trust me Sony wishes they had that.

Shadow2k6

Exactly Halo 3 and Master Chief are super mainstream, the Linkin Park of gaming aka pure utter garbage :lol:

:lol:

I don't know why everyone thinks sales = automatic masterpiece.

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

He is one of the most boring, bland, stereotypical, uncharismatic video game characters.

Duke Nukem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> M.C

"its time to kickass and chew bubblegum.... and im all out of gum"

skrat_01

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="manny280"]

at least he can talk unlike samus,link,gordon freeman and his line arent as lame as itsa me mario everytime

o yea i went there

Pro_wrestler

And MC sucks in comparison.

Gordon Freeman sucks as a heroin..simply because his status makes no sense to me. Somehow this geeky scientist can forefront a war and kickarse with all sorts of fancy guns? At least Mastercheif makes sense as a character.. and we know why the enemies refer to him as "demon." It doesn't get anymore BOSS than that.

Gordon is not supposed to be a normal character like MC. Valve certainly did somthing unique.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Maybe if you played Half Life 1..... Gordon Freeman is supposed to be the player. The player themsevers as Gordon navigated their way out of Black Mesa, and adapted + survived. The player always has control over their own actions throught the game, and never sees outside the first person perspective.

Gordon is not supposed to be a normal character like MC. Valve certainly did somthing unique.

Pro_wrestler

If that was Valves intent with Gordon Freeman than if anything, I can see Mastercheif relating to that in every way. Which is why they didn't remove MCs helmit. I think the idea that Bungie is going for is for you to put whatever face you feel belongs behind the helmit. I think it has more to do with imagination than lack of depth.

And no it doesent have to do with lack of imagination. That is a rediculous assumption. Hell I can go read valves notes when creating HL1, and their design choices right now in the 'Raising the Bar; book. They dont want a character to speak for the player, and they beleive that cutting from the 1st person perspective dectracts from the immersion of being there - not to mention the absence of cutscenes. Even the Vortiguants talking to the player in HL2 say "further eyes looks through yours" or somthing along those lines. By doing this Valve can concentrate also on other characters in the world. And why not if the player has been in the world since the events at black mesa. If anything Bungie are unimaginative with a central charcater. A leatherneck super human soldier, in power armour who fights against alien oppressors for humanity.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]Maybe if you played Half Life 1..... Gordon Freeman is supposed to be the player. The player themsevers as Gordon navigated their way out of Black Mesa, and adapted + survived. The player always has control over their own actions throught the game, and never sees outside the first person perspective.

Gordon is not supposed to be a normal character like MC. Valve certainly did somthing unique.

skrat_01

If that was Valves intent with Gordon Freeman than if anything, I can see Mastercheif relating to that in every way. Which is why they didn't remove MCs helmit. I think the idea that Bungie is going for is for you to put whatever face you feel belongs behind the helmit. I think it has more to do with imagination than lack of depth.

And no it doesent have to do with lack of imagination. That is a rediculous assumption. Hell I can go read valves notes when creating HL1, and their design choices right now in the 'Raising the Bar; book. They dont want a character to speak for the player, and they beleive that cutting from the 1st person perspective dectracts from the immersion of being there - not to mention the absence of cutscenes. Even the Vortiguants talking to the player in HL2 say "further eyes looks through yours" or somthing along those lines. By doing this Valve can concentrate also on other characters in the world. And why not if the player has been in the world since the events at black mesa. If anything Bungie are unimaginative with a central charcater. A leatherneck super human soldier, in power armour who fights against alien oppressors for humanity.

You mean to tell me, after all this so called being a 'critical fan' of Halo, you never understood how the Master Chief is at the same time a traditional third person character and a first person character ? Wow. Credibility at zilch when it comes to Halo mate.FrozenLiquid

The fact is the design choices chosen for MC and Gordon freeman are dramatically different. Bungie wants a recognisable character - an icon. Valve wants the player to be in control the whole time - not a character.

:roll:

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] You mean to tell me, after all this so called being a 'critical fan' of Halo, you never understood how the Master Chief is at the same time a traditional third person character and a first person character ? Wow. Credibility at zilch when it comes to Halo mate.skrat_01

The fact is the design choices chosen for MC and Gordon freeman are dramatically different. Bungie wants a recognisable character - an icon. Valve wants the player to be in control the whole time - not a character.

:roll:

duke nukem kicked ass so id take that as a compliment

Anyone who believes that Halo has any sort of character or story development is..........uninformed, so to speak.ShotGunBunny

Agreed im playing Halo 3 at the moment i have completed the other Halos on a freinds console, and recently i got an XBOX 360 with Halo 3 and well the character development is not strong at all in any shape or form it dose exist but its weak lets be honest here.

Im not entirley sure why Halo 3 is so hyped or so highly rated as of yet! I need to try the online mode before i can base a real opinion but so far although the games simple and blasty i really struggle playing the game for an extended amount of time i get bored!

Somthing has bothered me about the Halo franchise since Halo 2 i struggle to put a finger on it but a lot of it is down to the weapons and the lack of punch behind them! oh and Auto Aim bothers me a lot seems to make up for the general lack of prescion from either the controller or the game ("Im playing on Heroic"). Some guns are great Sniper Rifle, that semi auto rifle with Scope, Plama Gun, Rocket Launcher, the one that fires big green bolts, are all nice but things like the other Alein weapons and the standard assualt rife bother me.

Im not really immpressed by the game as of yet and i think a lot of that is due to my experience playing FPS games on a decent computer that has and can run the latest games.

Its hard to enjoy a game like Halo 3 when as a player im use to a certain amount of choice about a situation in games and always approaching a fire fight guns blazing is getting VERY tiresome to be honest.

I would rate Far Cry, Stalker, and a number of other games as better contenders for a truly great FPS but i can not denie that for a console game this FPS rules but console gamers and PC gamers have completly different experiences and it shows in my case when i play this much touted game and get bored!

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] You mean to tell me, after all this so called being a 'critical fan' of Halo, you never understood how the Master Chief is at the same time a traditional third person character and a first person character ? Wow. Credibility at zilch when it comes to Halo mate.FrozenLiquid

The fact is the design choices chosen for MC and Gordon freeman are dramatically different. Bungie wants a recognisable character - an icon. Valve wants the player to be in control the whole time - not a character.

:roll:

And no I havent watched behind the scenes dev docos. Ive played and followed the games since they were announced. Nor have I read the books. I think I AM a 'critical fan' of the Halo series - and just because I havent spent bandwith on watchign developer ineterviews, doesent mean I dont know the game.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] You mean to tell me, after all this so called being a 'critical fan' of Halo, you never understood how the Master Chief is at the same time a traditional third person character and a first person character ? Wow. Credibility at zilch when it comes to Halo mate.skrat_01

The fact is the design choices chosen for MC and Gordon freeman are dramatically different. Bungie wants a recognisable character - an icon. Valve wants the player to be in control the whole time - not a character.

:roll:

And no I havent watched behind the scenes dev docos. Ive played and followed the games since they were announced. Nor have I read the books. I think I AM a 'critical fan' of the Halo series - and just because I havent spent bandwith on watchign developer ineterviews, doesent mean I dont know the game.

Comparing the Duke himself to any other is an insult to the legend that has become him :twisted:

I would spit on your grave if you were in it TC :lol:

Almost. But understand what embody means. Understand why he never utters a word whilst you're in his shoes. Compare that to what you've recently been praising as one of the greatest shooters of all time, where in comparison that fellow constantly running at the mouth. Hopefully you know a thing or two about team work in creativity. Bungie didn't say "Oh by the way, make sure he has blonde hair, freckles, and a gap in his teeth". In summary, Bungie gave plot points, not excessive details. If it were any other way, I wouldn't doubt Nylund would be very insulted for not having creative license. And yeah, Bungie isn't doing what Valve is doing. I never said that. So no need to mention it.FrozenLiquid

No skrat but it is quite obvious as to how you're ignorant in how Bungie is presenting their main character. You don't even need Joseph Staten telling you how it's done. It's right there in front of your nose. And what I said still rings true -- Master Chief is not being presented as a main character in the traditional third person sense.FrozenLiquid

No chief isnt being presented as a character in a traditional third person sense. Nor first person. If anything it reminds me dramatically of the presentation in Iron Storm.

Comparing the Duke himself to any other is an insult to the legend that has become him :twisted:

I would spit on your grave if you were in it TC :lol:

Zenkuso

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]Maybe if you played Half Life 1..... Gordon Freeman is supposed to be the player. The player themsevers as Gordon navigated their way out of Black Mesa, and adapted + survived. The player always has control over their own actions throught the game, and never sees outside the first person perspective.

Gordon is not supposed to be a normal character like MC. Valve certainly did somthing unique.

skrat_01

If that was Valves intent with Gordon Freeman than if anything, I can see Mastercheif relating to that in every way. Which is why they didn't remove MCs helmit. I think the idea that Bungie is going for is for you to put whatever face you feel belongs behind the helmit. I think it has more to do with imagination than lack of depth.

And no it doesent have to do with lack of imagination. That is a rediculous assumption. Hell I can go read valves notes when creating HL1, and their design choices right now in the 'Raising the Bar; book. They dont want a character to speak for the player, and they beleive that cutting from the 1st person perspective dectracts from the immersion of being there - not to mention the absence of cutscenes. Even the Vortiguants talking to the player in HL2 say "further eyes looks through yours" or somthing along those lines. By doing this Valve can concentrate also on other characters in the world. And why not if the player has been in the world since the events at black mesa. If anything Bungie are unimaginative with a central charcater. A leatherneck super human soldier, in power armour who fights against alien oppressors for humanity.

I still don't see how Gordon Freeman is any more innovative as a Character than Mastercheif simply because he has a recognizable face and a given name rather than a label. Its pretty hard to put yourself in Gordon Freeman's shoes despite them never showing his face in the actual videogame(They have outside of the games).
For a game like Halo, its perfectly fine for them to detach the camera because he's still hidden behind a mask. Frank O' Connor and Eddie Smith all mention how you put yourself in the Cheifs shoes, thats their concept behind it, similar to Valves. Their concept for him is slighthy different from the novels.

[QUOTE="Zenkuso"]

Comparing the Duke himself to any other is an insult to the legend that has become him :twisted:

I would spit on your grave if you were in it TC :lol:

FrozenLiquid

Give the Duke time and he will be back kicking ass and chewing bubble gum ;) and he'll be all out of gum :twisted:

(If they ain't working on this game with how much the gaming community wants another duke nukem then they really need there heads checked)

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="Zenkuso"]

Comparing the Duke himself to any other is an insult to the legend that has become him :twisted:

I would spit on your grave if you were in it TC :lol:

Zenkuso

Give the Duke time and he will be back kicking ass and chewing bubble gum ;) and he'll be all out of gum :twisted:

(If they ain't working on this game with how much the gaming community wants another duke nukem then they really need there heads checked)

:lol: I sort of butchered the quote because I forgot how it went:D

I still don't see how Gordon Freeman is any more innovative as a Character than Mastercheif simply because he has a recognizable face and a given name rather than a label. Its pretty hard to put yourself in Gordon Freeman's shoes despite them never showing his face in the actual videogame(They have outside of the games).
For a game like Halo, its perfectly fine for them to detach the camera because he's still hidden behind a mask. Frank O' Connor and Eddie Smith all mention how you put yourself in the Cheifs shoes, thats their concept behind it, similar to Valves. Their concept for him is slighthy different from the novels.

Pro_wrestler

Valve have produced a very innovtive character - in terms of design choices. Im talking back to 98'. Not to mention the same design concept has been copied many times over (see FEAR and others (to a degree) like Bioshock and Crysis ect.)

Valve never wanted the player to see Gordon, nor see outside the first person perspective. Nor do they ever want the player not to be in control. They wanted the player - the whole time be the one in the game world, and interact with it - without breaking immersion. Rather than having curscenes for scripted events - like every FPS before, the player is physically there when events happe, making them feel more 'real'. Why have the character talk, if the player is supposed to be them. It would be a character interacting on their own will, not the player - thus breaking immersion. Why not see outside the first person perspective - because if you did you would be breaking immersion - a person cannot view themselves from third person. Why not see 'Gordons' face in the game? Because by doing so the player would be seeing someone else other than themselves.

Now take that back to 98' and the concept of 'Gordon Freeman' was a huge innovation - and it makes him a very unique character - even though he really isnt what you would call a proper character.

But yes Valve and Bungie do have similar traits in this, but ultimatley their design choices are very different.

(post)skrat_01

Valve have produced a very innovtive characterskrat_01

Master Chief is an iconic figure more recognizable than any other in gaming besides Sonic. Yes even Mario trails behind him and yes Sonic is still the most recognized.

JiveT

:lol: Mario Head stomps over Master Chief as an iconic figure.

[QUOTE="JiveT"]

Master Chief is an iconic figure more recognizable than any other in gaming besides Sonic. Yes even Mario trails behind him and yes Sonic is still the most recognized.

jbisco25

:lol: Mario Head stomps over Master Chief as an iconic figure.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Valve have produced a very innovtive characterFrozenLiquid

[QUOTE="skrat_01"](post)FrozenLiquid

Mc isnt a normal character in realation to those other you have listed - no doubt. He is a kind of combination of the presentation of those characters, and gordon freeman.

However during the cuscenes in Halo - when MC is in control of his own actions, is he any different than these listed "normal characters"? Perhaps the way Chief is presented is different..... Or his characters purpose, within the game - like Valve, which makes his character ultimatley individual.

Master Chief is an iconic figure more recognizable than any other in gaming besides Sonic. Yes even Mario trails behind him and yes Sonic is still the most recognized.

JiveT

sry to bust ur balls, but, WRONG!

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

I still don't see how Gordon Freeman is any more innovative as a Character than Mastercheif simply because he has a recognizable face and a given name rather than a label. Its pretty hard to put yourself in Gordon Freeman's shoes despite them never showing his face in the actual videogame(They have outside of the games).
For a game like Halo, its perfectly fine for them to detach the camera because he's still hidden behind a mask. Frank O' Connor and Eddie Smith all mention how you put yourself in the Cheifs shoes, thats their concept behind it, similar to Valves. Their concept for him is slighthy different from the novels.

skrat_01

Valve have produced a very innovtive character - in terms of design choices. Im talking back to 98'. Not to mention the same design concept has been copied many times over (see FEAR and others (to a degree) like Bioshock and Crysis ect.)

Valve never wanted the player to see Gordon, nor see outside the first person perspective. Nor do they ever want the player not to be in control. They wanted the player - the whole time be the one in the game world, and interact with it - without breaking immersion. Rather than having curscenes for scripted events - like every FPS before, the player is physically there when events happe, making them feel more 'real'. Why have the character talk, if the player is supposed to be them. It would be a character interacting on their own will, not the player - thus breaking immersion. Why not see outside the first person perspective - because if you did you would be breaking immersion - a person cannot view themselves from third person. Why not see 'Gordons' face in the game? Because by doing so the player would be seeing someone else other than themselves.

Now take that back to 98' and the concept of 'Gordon Freeman' was a huge innovation - and it makes him a very unique character - even though he really isnt what you would call a proper character.

But yes Valve and Bungie do have similar traits in this, but ultimatley their design choices are very different.

Yeah, I see what you mean, I agree. I may be nitpicking but I wish they would have at least kept his face a secret(I mean outside of the games) and perhaps just let him have the name Gordon Freeman.

Yeah, I see what you mean, I agree. I may be nitpicking but I wish they would have at least kept his face a secret(I mean outside of the games) and perhaps just let him have the name Gordon Freeman.

Pro_wrestler

Im guessing outside of the game world, Valve wanted a recognisable face to represnt their game, and players can assosicate themselves with - rather than a random soldier guy - ala Doom, Quake ect.- at the time. Bungie also did with Halo. However in the game world it is dramatically different. As for the name Gordon Freeman, well I guess Valve wanted the in game players be able to recognise the player, and interact with him (e.g. follow around as in HL1). The title Gordon Freeman is pretty much used to the same effect as 'Point Man' in Fear. Its more or less a callsign, so in game characters can interact. Kinda like a 'John Doe'.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]Valve have produced a very innovtive characterskrat_01

[QUOTE="skrat_01"](post)FrozenLiquid

Mc isnt a normal character in realation to those other you have listed - no doubt. He is a kind of combination of the presentation of those characters, and gordon freeman.

However during the cuscenes in Halo - when MC is in control of his own actions, is he any different than these listed "normal characters"? Perhaps the way Chief is presented is different..... Or his characters purpose, within the game - like Valve, which makes his character ultimatley individual.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

Yeah, I see what you mean, I agree. I may be nitpicking but I wish they would have at least kept his face a secret(I mean outside of the games) and perhaps just let him have the name Gordon Freeman.

skrat_01

Im guessing outside of the game world, Valve wanted a recognisable face to represnt their game, and players can assosicate themselves with - rather than a random soldier guy - ala Doom, Quake ect.- at the time. Bungie also did with Halo. However in the game world it is dramatically different. As for the name Gordon Freeman, well I guess Valve wanted the in game players be able to recognise the player, and interact with him (e.g. follow around as in HL1). The title Gordon Freeman is pretty much used to the same effect as 'Point Man' in Fear. Its more or less a callsign, so in game characters can interact. Kinda like a 'John Doe'.

Im guessing outside of the game world, Valve wanted a recognisable face to represnt their game, and players can assosicate themselves with - rather than a random soldier guy - ala Doom, Quake ect.- at the time. Bungie also did with Halo. However in the game world it is dramatically different. As for the name Gordon Freeman, well I guess Valve wanted the in game players be able to recognise the player, and interact with him (e.g. follow around as in HL1). The title Gordon Freeman is pretty much used to the same effect as 'Point Man' in Fear. Its more or less a callsign, so in game characters can interact. Kinda like a 'John Doe'.

skrat_01

(pic)Pro_wrestler

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"](pic)FrozenLiquid

I'm waiting on someone to post that Gordon Freeman beheading MC with the crowbar picture:D I feel it coming.

dude all the best characters have corny lines A.K.A James BondSuperheros,etc..

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

Yeah, I see what you mean, I agree. I may be nitpicking but I wish they would have at least kept his face a secret(I mean outside of the games) and perhaps just let him have the name Gordon Freeman.

FrozenLiquid

Now we're distinguishing character from presentation, when it nobody seem to care about that before I entered this argument? It's just so simple to see that you never did that yourself. When Pro_Wrestler decided to attack Freeman as a character, you decided to reply with the presentation of Gordon Freeman. That had no relevance to his actual character whatsoever. And yet now you're distinguishing the Master Chief as a character, to the Master Chief as presented in a video game. Even though he's presented differently from other games, you say, his actual character is no different. But it's the same with Gordon. Though his character is presented in the most drastically different way possible to being almost non-existent in the game, take away the presentation and you have a character that does exactly the same things characters in other stories do. And yes, he still his individual.FrozenLiquid

I'm waiting on someone to post that Gordon Freeman beheading MC with the crowbar picture I feel it coming.


Pro_wrestler

If Halo had a big emphasis on story and characters, then you might have a point. And you're right to an extent; Master Chief really isn't a good character. He's more or less just there; he's not compelling in the least (I won't touch on the "don't compare him to the Duke" since so many people have already.)

But Halo was never about the story; the story was just there to tie everything together. That's how the stories in many games are today, and you're just singling out Halo because it's popular. Because you want to be controversial, because you know this thread will get attention.

[QUOTE="King_of_Sorrow"][QUOTE="Eltroz"]

Here are some Halo 3 facts since cow so quickly forget-

Halo 3 racks up $170 million 1st day more then Harry Potter and spider man-http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/092707-microsofts-halo-3-breaks-first-day.html
Video Game are $60 dollars. Movies are $10. not so signifacant is it? It's still very significant. To try and downplay it is like trying to say 9-11 wasn't significant because the Tsunami in 2004 killed 196,000 more people.

Halo 3 racks up $300 million in first week-http://www.azcentral.com/business/consumer/articles/1004biz-halo3sales04-ON.html
Mario, GT, and Pokemon are a billion dollar franchise. Your point? Halo is a franchise that's been out for merely 6 years, and on a console thats user base has never surpassed 30,000,000. As opposed to Pokemon, Mario, and GT -- all 3 of which have been out since, what? '98 for GT and Pokemon? And have been on numerous systems that nearly defined gaming.

Movie Execs blame Halo 3 for low Oct movie sales-http://news.filefront.com/film-execs-blame-halo-3-for-poor-movie-ticket-sales/
Maybe because the movies in October just sucked. :| It's still THAT big to where it's actually blamed by something as huge as the movie industry.

Halo 3 sales so far 5.99 million and that is just in 2 monthshttp://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=6964which is more then any MGS game.
Unlike M$, Sony don't depend on 1 mascot to sell it's game. I wonder why you didn't say GT, FF, or Mario? hmmmmm. What's your point here?

The power of Master chief is very strong. Trust me Sony wishes they had that.

Apathetic-Irony

Get over it and get over yourself. Halo is the biggest thing to hit gaming since Mario.

And that of course means it has superb characters and a great storyline! And while we continue off topic I have nothing left to say except that this is off topic and Crysis looks terrible on a 7900GS!

Back to topic. I don't think the MC is forced, just that he isn't a particulary great character. At least the story never gets in the way of the six year old gameplay!

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

I still don't see how Gordon Freeman is any more innovative as a Character than Mastercheif simply because he has a recognizable face and a given name rather than a label. Its pretty hard to put yourself in Gordon Freeman's shoes despite them never showing his face in the actual videogame(They have outside of the games).
For a game like Halo, its perfectly fine for them to detach the camera because he's still hidden behind a mask. Frank O' Connor and Eddie Smith all mention how you put yourself in the Cheifs shoes, thats their concept behind it, similar to Valves. Their concept for him is slighthy different from the novels.

skrat_01

Valve have produced a very innovtive character - in terms of design choices. Im talking back to 98'. Not to mention the same design concept has been copied many times over (see FEAR and others (to a degree) like Bioshock and Crysis ect.)

Valve never wanted the player to see Gordon, nor see outside the first person perspective. Nor do they ever want the player not to be in control. They wanted the player - the whole time be the one in the game world, and interact with it - without breaking immersion. Rather than having curscenes for scripted events - like every FPS before, the player is physically there when events happe, making them feel more 'real'. Why have the character talk, if the player is supposed to be them. It would be a character interacting on their own will, not the player - thus breaking immersion. Why not see outside the first person perspective - because if you did you would be breaking immersion - a person cannot view themselves from third person. Why not see 'Gordons' face in the game? Because by doing so the player would be seeing someone else other than themselves.

Now take that back to 98' and the concept of 'Gordon Freeman' was a huge innovation - and it makes him a very unique character - even though he really isnt what you would call a proper character.

But yes Valve and Bungie do have similar traits in this, but ultimatley their design choices are very different.

it's unfortunate that the personal character development had to be sacrificed in order to make HL more immersive.

it's a paradox for me. When I think about how improbable it is for Freeman to not verbally interact with ANYONE, EVER, it breaks the immersion for me.

Valve is just extremely stubborn in my opinion. it's been 3 years since HL2, but they couldn't even give Freeman legs for you to look at when you look down, or arms to hold the steering wheel of the vehicles. Driving next to Alex, and seeing that I have no arms, legs, or torso, that breaks my immersion, personally.

would it be so wrong to give Freeman a character model you could see in first-person?

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

He is one of the most boring, bland, stereotypical, uncharismatic video game characters.

Duke Nukem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> M.C

"its time to kickass and chew bubblegum.... and im all out of gum"

skrat_01

Master Chief isn't a Marine at all. He is in the Navy.

And, really, what FPS doesn't utilize the "one man army" concept?

[QUOTE="cdrewsr388"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="manny280"]

at least he can talk unlike samus,link,gordon freeman and his line arent as lame as itsa me mario everytime

o yea i went there

Pro_wrestler

And MC sucks in comparison.

Gordon Freeman sucks as a heroin..simply because his status makes no sense to me. Somehow this geeky scientist can forefront a war and kickarse with all sorts of fancy guns? At least Mastercheif makes sense as a character.. and we know why the enemies refer to him as "demon." It doesn't get anymore BOSS than that.

Funny you should mention someones intelligence yet you have no clue who your talking to, and the same can be said about SolidSnake and Mario..did that ever occur to you? An American character thats more popular in American and what does Microsoft have to do with Mastercheif other than them milking him? The subject is about Halo/Mastercheif so excuse me if I come off as some Halo 3 fanatic when I could be considered trolling if I talked about anything else..stupid statements of yours.:lol:

And to that other guy..No, I mean deduce..which means that your statement is proven wrong with reasoning but yeah, refuted is a fine word to use aswell and you didn't mention "Halo 3" you just said Halo in your original post that I quoted.

Did I even mention MS as a company? I was simply using it to describe the people I am arguing with. You said nothing that had to do with my response. I was talking about Master Chief, so LOL to you. People knew about such mascots as Mario and Sonic long before Halo came out. That alone makes their fanbase larger. I was stating that outside of the US, Master Chief is not as well known, so thatalso makes him not as popular. Most people in Japan, the other large gaming populace, could care less about Master Chief. Even in the US, most non gamers know of the Halo name, not the characterof Master Chief. No matter what game they put Mario though,no matter what name it goes by, people will recognize the character in it. People respond to the Halo name like I said. Also, I said "whoever I was talking to" because I was posting on my Wii, and didn't wanna scroll all the way up to see your name. Guess that makes me dumb though eh? Face it, Master Chief will never be as popular worldwide as many of the other more established and time tested mascots. I guess I will throw in a smiley for good measure...:D

[QUOTE="Apathetic-Irony"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Apathetic-Irony"]

Get over it and get over yourself. Halo is the biggest thing to hit gaming since Mario.

skrat_01

Huge marketing does wonders doesent it....

No... look at the post I quoted. You notice those sales figures? You notice how everybody knows what Halo is?

Whether it's the greatest game ever or the worst ever is to each person's own preference, just like every other game. What cannot be denied is that the game is just about the biggest name in the industry next to Mario.

And it can be argued against its the biggest in the industry next to Mario.

Look at FF in Japan, WoW in China, Starcraft in South Korea, Pro Evo in the UK ect.. The US does not = the rest of the world.
And the industry does not = the public opinion.

Cute.

I was going by the general public. I was stating that the Halo name is MUCH more mainstream than any of the other titles listed. And while North American =/= the World, it is the biggest market. I think it's safe to say Halo is more well known than many other series to the general public. Not 'the biz', but the general public.

And Halo was well known before Halo 3. When Halo 2 came out and I bought it, my dad (who despised video games) came into my room to watch me play, just to see what all of the buzz was about. Halo 1 convinced me to buy an XBOX back when I actually thought being loyal to a brand meant something and wasn't completely moronic.

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[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="manny280"]

at least he can talk unlike samus,link,gordon freeman and his line arent as lame as itsa me mario everytime

o yea i went there

skrat_01

And MC sucks in comparison.

Gordon Freeman sucks as a heroin..simply because his status makes no sense to me. Somehow this geeky scientist can forefront a war and kickarse with all sorts of fancy guns? At least Mastercheif makes sense as a character.. and we know why the enemies refer to him as "demon." It doesn't get anymore BOSS than that.

Gordon is not supposed to be a normal character like MC. Valve certainly did somthing unique.

Bungie did the same with Masterchief, except to less of a degree. Master Chief is the player in Halo 1, but shifted more towards the player being Master Chief in Halo 3. It's why the Master Chief has so few lines, never has a name (outside the realm of the books) until the final cutscene in Halo 3, and it's why he never removed his mask or exposes any part of his body.

Just take a gander at the back of the Halo 1 box. Bungie had a hard-on for people feeling they were a super soldier.

he is the most forced gaming mascot ever.:lol:

He's like an artificial badass. He tries way too hard to be cool, and his corny one-liners are on par with duke nukem. his character just steals aspects from other characters, in particular solid snake. I just can't take him seriously to be honest. All I see is some green...armored...guy :?

Boogie_J

what aspect does he steal? and how is he forced? and what exactly is cool? what exactly are the one liners that are so corny? you guys are incredible! I know a lot of people don't like the game, but at least make a thread with something valid to complain about.

skrat_01

:lol: All the Gordon pictures I searched for are of him with that very pose so my photoshop of him is limited. All the 'Gordon killing cheif' pictures were done by pros:o