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#102 SolidTy
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@LJS9502_basic said:

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@TigerSuperman: These averages they do are stupid since they started a few years ago because companies are punished for making more games. Even if a company has higher scoring games, they are also punished for their lowest scoring games. To be the best, you have to make games that don't have to score the highest, but just hover above the average.

It punished companies for bringing more games to gamers. Not every game is going to be amazing. Averaging their scores is a terrible idea.

You can see that once again Nintendo and Sony have released rare AAA 90+ rated metacritic scored games, but because they released more games than the "metacritic winner", there are some stinkers at the bottom bringing down their average.

Basically, Sony and Nintendo "lost" because they each had released a game that was a 39/100 and brought their scores down. It seems rather stupid to declare a winner by default to the company with less games. Sony and Nintendo are being penalized for releasing more games (one of which was poor), but gamers simply just don't have to and won't buy the single stinker and will concentrate on the quality title. I've explained this before in other years.

Metacritic are treating each game as a "grade" and the companies are students. Here's the problem, some students have fare more assignments turned in than others. If anything, those assignments would be considered "extra credit" and not work to damage the student's (NIntendo and Sony) grades. Choosing say, the top 5 or 8 games from each company would be more fair, but imo, this shouldn't be done at all. It's silly to average scores and penalize companies that take more risks making more titles.

Also, Killer Instinct Season 2 has no metacrtiic official score. http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/killer-instinct-season-2/critic-reviews

You copy pasted Season 1's score to give the Xbone an advantage for some reason.

What I told him but he ignored it. More games tends to bring averages down....anyway it's better to look at how many score in the green. That is a true indicator of which company has more viable games.

Anyone that has taken a stat course knows they don't tell the story and can be skewed to achieve an objective. Which is what he did.


Yeah, that was the problem I had when Metacritic starting averaging their games a few years ago to "rank the publishers". People tend to overlook that releasing more games hurts your average and end up praising companies that release less games....because they won the skewed metacritic ranking.

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#103 Tighaman
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@tormentos:

KI didn't come on RETAIL DISK until this year is what I think he trying to say

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#104  Edited By SolidTy
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@TigerSuperman said:

@SolidTy said:

@TigerSuperman: These averages they do are stupid since they started a few years ago because companies are punished for making more games. Even if a company has higher scoring games, they are also punished for their lowest scoring games. To be the best, you have to make games that don't have to score the highest, but just hover above the average.

It punished companies for bringing more games to gamers. Not every game is going to be amazing. Averaging their scores is a terrible idea.

You can see that once again Nintendo and Sony have released rare AAA 90+ rated metacritic scored games, but because they released more games than the "metacritic winner", there are some stinkers at the bottom bringing down their average.

Basically, Sony and Nintendo "lost" because they each had released a game that was a 39/100 and brought their scores down. It seems rather stupid to declare a winner by default to the company with less games. Sony and Nintendo are being penalized for releasing more games (one of which was poor), but gamers simply just don't have to and won't buy the single stinker and will concentrate on the quality title. I've explained this before in other years.

Metacritic are treating each game as a "grade" and the companies are students. Here's the problem, some students have fare more assignments turned in than others. If anything, those assignments would be considered "extra credit" and not work to damage the student's (NIntendo and Sony) grades. Choosing say, the top 5 or 8 games from each company would be more fair, but imo, this shouldn't be done at all. It's silly to average scores and penalize companies that take more risks making more titles.

Also, Killer Instinct Season 2 has no metacrtiic official score. http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/killer-instinct-season-2/critic-reviews

You copy pasted Season 1's score to give the Xbone an advantage for some reason.

Sony would have still lost without the 39. Also, Nintendo and Xbox one have the same amount of games. and again, Sony has one more, but if i remvoed it, they would still lose. Again i see no spin here.

Okay, but about my point of Killer Instinct?

Killer Instinct Season 2 has no metacrtiic official score. http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/killer-instinct-season-2/critic-reviews

You copy pasted Season 1's score to give the Xbone an advantage for some reason. It ends up giving Xbox another 73/100 ranked game even though the KI DLC doesn't even have a true metacritic score and shouldn't be on the list until it does.

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#105  Edited By TigerSuperman
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@GamingTitan said:

@TigerSuperman said:

@kratosyoloswag said:
  • The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth - 87
  • Towerfall Ascension - 87
  • Velocity 2X - 86
  • Transistor - 83

These are missing from the PS4 list.

Hey look 2013 games like Killzone.

???? one of those is from 2013 the rest are indeed 2014 releases. Your fact checking is not so good. In a different post I saw you dismiss them as "not" retail. Retail simply means 'something sold to the public' so I am not sure what you are even saying,

we can all make some kind of chart that swings in our desired direction if we simply cherry pick the data we want to use.

bad thread.

You can pretend news media never says "retaiL" as a phsycial copy and act stupid if you want but ehh.

@bunchanumbers said:

Now you should do a list for true exclusives and not console exclusives.

Sony would still probably be last, but if you want to make THAt MC thread (Or GS thread) go ahead.

@tormentos said:

@TigerSuperman said:

This is a Metacritic thread. For 2014, On metacritic, this is not talking about Gamespots scores, just like IGn news, is not GS news here. Again, there is no spin on these numbers.

There is no spin need it the PS4 simple has more games and higher rated ones to..hahaha

No matter what i can buy Towerfall on PS4 there is no fu**ing way in hell you buy it on xbox one..hahaha

Better luck next gen lemming..haha

In 2014, the Xbox one has the higher rated average of games. Even without singstar. Sorry.

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@TigerSuperman said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@TigerSuperman said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@TigerSuperman said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

lmao what a shit thread, u count that ps4 game to bring the average down but dont count any game under 60 for the bone.

The Xbox one doesn't have games under 60 in 2014 that are exclusive/console exclusive. Also they still would have lost even without Singstar.

so why are u counting titanfall/horizon 2 on xbox list? they are console exclusive to x1 and neither is tlou. horrible thread all round

Yes they are console exclusives. Just like FFXIV is console exclusive to PS4 and Smash to Wii U, and Titanfall to Xbox One.

tlou is on ps3, titanfall is on x360, horizon 2 is on x360.

Yep, Console exclusives. Because TLOU is not on Xbox or Wii, the Titanfall is not on PS4 or Wii, and Horizon 2 is technically 2 different games but even so, it's not on Wii or PS4.

if they are on another console they arnt console exclusive. titanfall is ms exclusive, not console exclusive. tlou is sony exclusive not console exclusive.

MS/Sony console exclusive are still console exclusive. They have always been separated that way on various site, and even if we did it that way Sony would still lose. I keep mentioning this because it's the only reason people are attacking.

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#106 TigerSuperman
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@TigerSuperman said:

No, your point is invalid because of what I said. If all the numbers are the same you have no point.

To bad like no outlet agrees with you which is why "retail release" is never DD in news.

Definitions of words are not determined by consensus of those who misuse them. Retail. Digital downloads are also retail games. You don't get to redefine words to fit your specious arguments.

Even on this site "retail" is phsyical release, so if you want to go back to the "Wahh your not using SW SG
then you might want to retract your statement because you are now contradicting yourself.

@SolidTy said:
@TigerSuperman said:

@SolidTy said:

@TigerSuperman: These averages they do are stupid since they started a few years ago because companies are punished for making more games. Even if a company has higher scoring games, they are also punished for their lowest scoring games. To be the best, you have to make games that don't have to score the highest, but just hover above the average.

It punished companies for bringing more games to gamers. Not every game is going to be amazing. Averaging their scores is a terrible idea.

You can see that once again Nintendo and Sony have released rare AAA 90+ rated metacritic scored games, but because they released more games than the "metacritic winner", there are some stinkers at the bottom bringing down their average.

Basically, Sony and Nintendo "lost" because they each had released a game that was a 39/100 and brought their scores down. It seems rather stupid to declare a winner by default to the company with less games. Sony and Nintendo are being penalized for releasing more games (one of which was poor), but gamers simply just don't have to and won't buy the single stinker and will concentrate on the quality title. I've explained this before in other years.

Metacritic are treating each game as a "grade" and the companies are students. Here's the problem, some students have fare more assignments turned in than others. If anything, those assignments would be considered "extra credit" and not work to damage the student's (NIntendo and Sony) grades. Choosing say, the top 5 or 8 games from each company would be more fair, but imo, this shouldn't be done at all. It's silly to average scores and penalize companies that take more risks making more titles.

Also, Killer Instinct Season 2 has no metacrtiic official score. http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/killer-instinct-season-2/critic-reviews

You copy pasted Season 1's score to give the Xbone an advantage for some reason.

Sony would have still lost without the 39. Also, Nintendo and Xbox one have the same amount of games. and again, Sony has one more, but if i remvoed it, they would still lose. Again i see no spin here.

Okay, but about my point of Killer Instinct?

Killer Instinct Season 2 has no metacrtiic official score. http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/killer-instinct-season-2/critic-reviews

You copy pasted Season 1's score to give the Xbone an advantage for some reason.

KI2 is not a retail release. KI1 got a retail release THIS YEAR, and I did not add KI to give the Xbox one an advantage because if i removed it the Xbox one score WOULD BE FREAKING HIGHER.

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#108  Edited By ghostwarrior786
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wtf arnt u understanding? i dont have to buy a x1 to play titanfall because its on x360 therefore it isnt console exclusive. FACT

i dont have to buy ps4 to play tlou therefore it isnt console exclusive FACT

console exclusive = if a game releases on pc + 1 console

alan wake = console exclusive for x360

ryse = console exclusive for x1

titanfall, tlou, horizon 2 are NOT console exclusives because they have been released for more than 1 console

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@TigerSuperman said:

@farrell2k said:

@TigerSuperman said:

No, your point is invalid because of what I said. If all the numbers are the same you have no point.

To bad like no outlet agrees with you which is why "retail release" is never DD in news.

Definitions of words are not determined by consensus of those who misuse them. Retail. Digital downloads are also retail games. You don't get to redefine words to fit your specious arguments.

Even on this site "retail" is phsyical release, so if you want to go back to the "Wahh your not using SW SG

then you might want to retract your statement because you are now contradicting yourself.

okay..then you and this site are incorrect when it comes to the meaning of retail. Don't get pissed at me, I didn't define the word, but it does indeed have a definition and you (and apparently GS) are using it incorrectly~

retail : The sale of goods or commodities directly to consumers.

by all means explain to me how those game wouldn't fall under retail.

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@ghostwarrior786 said:

wtf arnt u understanding? i dont have to buy a x1 to play titanfall because its on x360 therefore it isnt console exclusive. FACT

i dont have to buy ps4 to play tlou therefore it isnt console exclusive FACT

console exclusive = if a game releases on pc + 1 console

alan wake = console exclusive for x360

ryse = console exclusive for x1

titanfall, tlou, horizon 2 are NOT console exclusives because they have been released for more than 1 console

I'm just using what other sites use just like when other sites say "retail" it means physical release. Also the results wouldn't really change anyway. Well, Nintendo might get a narrow lead, but Sony would still be last.

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#111  Edited By tormentos
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@TigerSuperman said:

@kratosyoloswag said:
  • The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth - 87
  • Towerfall Ascension - 87
  • Velocity 2X - 86
  • Transistor - 83

These are missing from the PS4 list.

Hey look 2013 games like Killzone.

I never said exclusive, i said Console exclusive.

Hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Non of those games he listed are 2013 idiot,in Fact The Binding of Isaac was release on November 4 2014..hahaha

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-11-12-the-binding-of-isaac-rebirth-review

WTF a 9 from eurogamer.? Hahahaaaa It has 88 on gamerankings...

Towerfall was release on March

Transistor in May 20.

Velocity 2X on September 2..hahahaha

owned...4 games over 80 and you ignore them..haha

@TigerSuperman said:

Sorry, KI has a 2014 retail release, just like those 2 other nitnendo games. Don't nitpick just because you don't like Xbox one.

Again, no spinning this list. All games included sell all 3 consoles.

Also i have no idea why you are obssessed with game NUMBERS. Which has nothing to do with this thread.

Is a 2013 game..hahaha

And ignoring digital sales make you look desperate ..hahaha

@TigerSuperman said:

Killzone is a 2014 game?

Also I ignored the rest of your list because not retail.

In other words TC is ignoring PS4 games because he is a fanboy...hahaha

@TigerSuperman said:

Nintendo and Xboxonce again, as i told you 4000 times, have the same games. 8 for each. Only Sony has one more, if removed, Sony still losese even with 8, and that's taking off the LOWEST one so again you have no argument.

So is the Wii u games Wii sports and fit, but you are going ino the Xbox so badly you don't notice that. In fact, taking off KI makes the Xbox average even higher and it would still win if i made all 3 even, Sony would still be in last place.

I only use retail because most people still only use retail. or seperate retail and DD into two separate categories. (gematsu etc.) ther's no spin here. That's why you are talking about number of TOTAL games and Amazon rankings, because you literally have nothing.

You only use retails because you are a blind biased lem..hahhaaa

That is funny gamespot doesn't have 2 categories it has all games search for any,so does IGN,eurogamer and basically every review site,go to gamatsu and argue there here all games count period the PS4 has quite allot more than the xbox one..lol

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@GamingTitan said:

@TigerSuperman said:

@farrell2k said:

@TigerSuperman said:

No, your point is invalid because of what I said. If all the numbers are the same you have no point.

To bad like no outlet agrees with you which is why "retail release" is never DD in news.

Definitions of words are not determined by consensus of those who misuse them. Retail. Digital downloads are also retail games. You don't get to redefine words to fit your specious arguments.

Even on this site "retail" is phsyical release, so if you want to go back to the "Wahh your not using SW SG

then you might want to retract your statement because you are now contradicting yourself.

okay..then you and this site are incorrect when it comes to the meaning of retail. Don't get pissed at me, I didn't define the word, but it does indeed have a definition and you (and apparently GS) are using it incorrectly~

retail : The sale of goods or commodities directly to consumers.

by all means explain to me how those game wouldn't fall under retail.

Because retail means physical. i don't get DD when I go to a retail store, this is why retail online of refereed to as an "online retailer' regardless of whether it's wrong or not that's what EVERYONE uses so nothing we can do about it.

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@TigerSuperman said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

wtf arnt u understanding? i dont have to buy a x1 to play titanfall because its on x360 therefore it isnt console exclusive. FACT

i dont have to buy ps4 to play tlou therefore it isnt console exclusive FACT

console exclusive = if a game releases on pc + 1 console

alan wake = console exclusive for x360

ryse = console exclusive for x1

titanfall, tlou, horizon 2 are NOT console exclusives because they have been released for more than 1 console

I'm just using what other sites use just like when other sites say "retail" it means physical release. Also the results wouldn't really change anyway. Well, Nintendo might get a narrow lead, but Sony would still be last.

why are u using what other sites say on this website? the rules here are clear and so what if sony would still be last? at least ms wont be first haha

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#114  Edited By Krelian-co
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a. xbone has no exclusives

b. can't win against ps4 much less against wii u

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@ghostwarrior786 said:

@TigerSuperman said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

wtf arnt u understanding? i dont have to buy a x1 to play titanfall because its on x360 therefore it isnt console exclusive. FACT

i dont have to buy ps4 to play tlou therefore it isnt console exclusive FACT

console exclusive = if a game releases on pc + 1 console

alan wake = console exclusive for x360

ryse = console exclusive for x1

titanfall, tlou, horizon 2 are NOT console exclusives because they have been released for more than 1 console

I'm just using what other sites use just like when other sites say "retail" it means physical release. Also the results wouldn't really change anyway. Well, Nintendo might get a narrow lead, but Sony would still be last.

why are u using what other sites say on this website? the rules here are clear and so what if sony would still be last? at least ms wont be first haha

Because all attacks on this thread have to do with Sony fanboys, also this site also uses "retail" for physical release and the termconsole exclusive so ehh...

@Krelian-co said:

a. xbone has no exclusives

b. can't win against ps4 much less against wii u

The PS4 will always be last no matter what configuration so ehh..

@Desmonic said:

Nothing like purchase justification threads! :)

Wait but i own all of the...ehh...

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@Tighaman said:

@tormentos:

KI didn't come on RETAIL DISK until this year is what I think he trying to say

Which matter in nothing because you can have the complete game without going to a retail,in fact it is like that a fact even with MCC and several of those games he listed,so i guess MCC doesn't count since it also digital...

@TigerSuperman said:

You can pretend news media never says "retaiL" as a phsycial copy and act stupid if you want but ehh.

Sony would still probably be last, but if you want to make THAt MC thread (Or GS thread) go ahead.

@tormentos said:

@TigerSuperman said:

This is a Metacritic thread. For 2014, On metacritic, this is not talking about Gamespots scores, just like IGn news, is not GS news here. Again, there is no spin on these numbers.

There is no spin need it the PS4 simple has more games and higher rated ones to..hahaha

No matter what i can buy Towerfall on PS4 there is no fu**ing way in hell you buy it on xbox one..hahaha

Better luck next gen lemming..haha

In 2014, the Xbox one has the higher rated average of games. Even without singstar. Sorry.

MS/Sony console exclusive are still console exclusive. They have always been separated that way on various site, and even if we did it that way Sony would still lose. I keep mentioning this because it's the only reason people are attacking.

Nop the xbox one has less games and lower score is sad but true..

Oh and the highest rated game this year on Meta is TLOU by the way funny TLOU could hold its score yet MCC dould not.....lol

@ghostwarrior786 said:

wtf arnt u understanding? i dont have to buy a x1 to play titanfall because its on x360 therefore it isnt console exclusive. FACT

i dont have to buy ps4 to play tlou therefore it isnt console exclusive FACT

console exclusive = if a game releases on pc + 1 console

alan wake = console exclusive for x360

ryse = console exclusive for x1

titanfall, tlou, horizon 2 are NOT console exclusives because they have been released for more than 1 console

The sad dude doesn't even understand that...

That is like having Koby play for the lakers and the celtics and one claim that is lakers exclusive..hahahahaha

@GamingTitan said:

okay..then you and this site are incorrect when it comes to the meaning of retail. Don't get pissed at me, I didn't define the word, but it does indeed have a definition and you (and apparently GS) are using it incorrectly~

retail : The sale of goods or commodities directly to consumers.

by all means explain to me how those game wouldn't fall under retail.

It would be good to see what excuse he gives on that one other that gamespot count only to what i believe it counts..hahaha

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Console exclusive is just a fancy way of saying multiplat and since the only thing people care about on here are exclusives, then the WiiU easily wins (plus it has been out longer so it should have been expected)

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@tormentos said:

@TigerSuperman said:

@kratosyoloswag said:
  • The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth - 87
  • Towerfall Ascension - 87
  • Velocity 2X - 86
  • Transistor - 83

These are missing from the PS4 list.

Hey look 2013 games like Killzone.

I never said exclusive, i said Console exclusive.

Hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Non of those games he listed are 2013 idiot,in Fact The Binding of Isaac was release on November 4 2014..hahaha

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-11-12-the-binding-of-isaac-rebirth-review

WTF a 9 from eurogamer.? Hahahaaaa It has 88 on gamerankings...

Towerfall was release on March

Transistor in May 20.

Velocity 2X on September 2..hahahaha

owned...4 games over 80 and you ignore them..haha

@TigerSuperman said:

Sorry, KI has a 2014 retail release, just like those 2 other nitnendo games. Don't nitpick just because you don't like Xbox one.

Again, no spinning this list. All games included sell all 3 consoles.

Also i have no idea why you are obssessed with game NUMBERS. Which has nothing to do with this thread.

Is a 2013 game..hahaha

And ignoring digital sales make you look desperate ..hahaha

@TigerSuperman said:

Killzone is a 2014 game?

Also I ignored the rest of your list because not retail.

In other words TC is ignoring PS4 games because he is a fanboy...hahaha

@TigerSuperman said:

Nintendo and Xboxonce again, as i told you 4000 times, have the same games. 8 for each. Only Sony has one more, if removed, Sony still losese even with 8, and that's taking off the LOWEST one so again you have no argument.

So is the Wii u games Wii sports and fit, but you are going ino the Xbox so badly you don't notice that. In fact, taking off KI makes the Xbox average even higher and it would still win if i made all 3 even, Sony would still be in last place.

I only use retail because most people still only use retail. or seperate retail and DD into two separate categories. (gematsu etc.) ther's no spin here. That's why you are talking about number of TOTAL games and Amazon rankings, because you literally have nothing.

You only use retails because you are a blind biased lem..hahhaaa

That is funny gamespot doesn't have 2 categories it has all games search for any,so does IGN,eurogamer and basically every review site,go to gamatsu and argue there here all games count period the PS4 has quite allot more than the xbox one..lol

1. You can't read, already said Killzone was a mistake and those other games are not retail;, always have used retail, just because you are mad does not mean you should pretend that things never happened.

2. Categories don't matter, even their news releases separate them.

3. Why are you bringing a Gameranking score in a Metacritic thread on a DD game that is not a retail game?

4. I mean again, all 3 consoles have been fairly averages with the same conditions, if I gave PS4 exceptions it would still lose. In terms of retail games. if i removed SS, it would still lose, if I removed KI, it would still lose, if I removed Xbox 360 games, it would still lose.

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@TigerSuperman said:

1. You can't read, already said Killzone was a mistake and those other games are not retail;, always have used retail, just because you are mad does not mean you should pretend that things never happened.

2. Categories don't matter, even their news releases separate them.

3. Why are you bringing a Gameranking score in a Metacritic thread on a DD game that is not a retail game?

4. I mean again, all 3 consoles have been fairly averages with the same conditions, if I gave PS4 exceptions it would still lose. In terms of retail games. if i removed SS, it would still lose, if I removed KI, it would still lose, if I removed Xbox 360 games, it would still lose.

Yes those games are retail and fall under that category it is time people start saying things the way they should..

Definition of the word Retail.

The sale of goods or commodities in small quantities directly to consumers.

Now how is Towerfall or Velocity 2X retail when i am buying them directly from the seller.? Hell even in a more direct way since i cut one of the middle man.

The game has 87 on meta dude,is the same by meta or gamerankings you end owned..

Retail is any game you buy directly from a seller...Nice try bro the xbox one owned again...

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@TigerSuperman: and the term console exclusive on here means if a game is released on pc + 1 console. ms/sony exclusive means if game is released only on there platforms.

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Should have waited until the end of the year, Planetside 2 & Guilty Gear haven't released. Retail or downloadable or inserted anally, Velocity 2X is great and "ConExclusive".

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@tormentos said:

@TigerSuperman said:

1. You can't read, already said Killzone was a mistake and those other games are not retail;, always have used retail, just because you are mad does not mean you should pretend that things never happened.

2. Categories don't matter, even their news releases separate them.

3. Why are you bringing a Gameranking score in a Metacritic thread on a DD game that is not a retail game?

4. I mean again, all 3 consoles have been fairly averages with the same conditions, if I gave PS4 exceptions it would still lose. In terms of retail games. if i removed SS, it would still lose, if I removed KI, it would still lose, if I removed Xbox 360 games, it would still lose.

Yes those games are retail and fall under that category it is time people start saying things the way they should..

Definition of the word Retail.

The sale of goods or commodities in small quantities directly to consumers.

Now how is Towerfall or Velocity 2X retail when i am buying them directly from the seller.? Hell even in a more direct way since i cut one of the middle man.

The game has 87 on meta dude,is the same by meta or gamerankings you end owned..

Retail is any game you buy directly from a seller...Nice try bro the xbox one owned again...

LOL tormentos has nothing so he usese someone elses excuse when he knows it's BS and he's been on this site for years trolling. You lost tormentos it's ok.

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@ghostwarrior786 said:

@TigerSuperman: and the term console exclusive on here means if a game is released on pc + 1 console. ms/sony exclusive means if game is released only on there platforms.

Not really, just like on some other websites it's not used that way. The results don't change regardless.

@Floppy_Jim said:

Should have waited until the end of the year, Planetside 2 & Guilty Gear haven't released. Retail or downloadable or inserted anally, Velocity 2X is great and "ConExclusive".

Velocity is not a retail game. As for PS and GG, the results won't change unless GG does 92+ and PS2 does better than the PC score which will be impossible (it's have to be around 89+)

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@TigerSuperman said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@TigerSuperman: and the term console exclusive on here means if a game is released on pc + 1 console. ms/sony exclusive means if game is released only on there platforms.

Not really, just like on some other websites it's not used that way. The results don't change regardless.

@Floppy_Jim said:

Should have waited until the end of the year, Planetside 2 & Guilty Gear haven't released. Retail or downloadable or inserted anally, Velocity 2X is great and "ConExclusive".

Velocity is not a retail game. As for PS and GG, the results won't change unless GG does 92+ and PS2 does better than the PC score which will be impossible (it's have to be around 89+)

''There is no such thing as "console exclusive" or "company exclusive." Console exclusive is a term coined by lemmings that used the Xbox 360/PC games as a means against the PS3. PC and Xbox brands are not "Microsoft Exclusive" as the PC is an open market in which even Sony (Playstation owner) distributes PCs. Furthermore, just because a game is Xbox One and Xbox 360, or PS3, PS4 and PSVita does not mean they are "exclusive." They are considered multiplatform games.''

read it and weep, its sw rules.

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#126  Edited By TigerSuperman
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@ghostwarrior786 said:

@TigerSuperman said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@TigerSuperman: and the term console exclusive on here means if a game is released on pc + 1 console. ms/sony exclusive means if game is released only on there platforms.

Not really, just like on some other websites it's not used that way. The results don't change regardless.

@Floppy_Jim said:

Should have waited until the end of the year, Planetside 2 & Guilty Gear haven't released. Retail or downloadable or inserted anally, Velocity 2X is great and "ConExclusive".

Velocity is not a retail game. As for PS and GG, the results won't change unless GG does 92+ and PS2 does better than the PC score which will be impossible (it's have to be around 89+)

''There is no such thing as "console exclusive" or "company exclusive." Console exclusive is a term coined by lemmings that used the Xbox 360/PC games as a means against the PS3. PC and Xbox brands are not "Microsoft Exclusive" as the PC is an open market in which even Sony (Playstation owner) distributes PCs. Furthermore, just because a game is Xbox One and Xbox 360, or PS3, PS4 and PSVita does not mean they are "exclusive." They are considered multiplatform games.''

read it and weep, its sw rules.

I never said this site used it now, i said it was a term you should already know. Also this is a MC thread for dicussion, like and IGn review thread (we don't exclude IGn because they sometimes use console exclusive from having a discussion thread do we?)

Now then, on MC this is accurate and all systems were treated fairly, and ony fans even with things removed or changes Sony still losese. Now then.

(also you kind of killed floppy jims post)

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#127 Floppy_Jim
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@TigerSuperman said:


@Floppy_Jim said:

Should have waited until the end of the year, Planetside 2 & Guilty Gear haven't released. Retail or downloadable or inserted anally, Velocity 2X is great and "ConExclusive".

Velocity is not a retail game. As for PS and GG, the results won't change unless GG does 92+ and PS2 does better than the PC score which will be impossible (it's have to be around 89+)

Mkay. I'm not one of the people who cares more about an average than the amount of good games or what form the game comes in- physical or otherwise- because I find that quite odd. This is probably my cue to leave the thread then, lol.

Infamous: First Light is missing too.

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#128 ghostwarrior786
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@TigerSuperman said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@TigerSuperman said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@TigerSuperman: and the term console exclusive on here means if a game is released on pc + 1 console. ms/sony exclusive means if game is released only on there platforms.

Not really, just like on some other websites it's not used that way. The results don't change regardless.

@Floppy_Jim said:

Should have waited until the end of the year, Planetside 2 & Guilty Gear haven't released. Retail or downloadable or inserted anally, Velocity 2X is great and "ConExclusive".

Velocity is not a retail game. As for PS and GG, the results won't change unless GG does 92+ and PS2 does better than the PC score which will be impossible (it's have to be around 89+)

''There is no such thing as "console exclusive" or "company exclusive." Console exclusive is a term coined by lemmings that used the Xbox 360/PC games as a means against the PS3. PC and Xbox brands are not "Microsoft Exclusive" as the PC is an open market in which even Sony (Playstation owner) distributes PCs. Furthermore, just because a game is Xbox One and Xbox 360, or PS3, PS4 and PSVita does not mean they are "exclusive." They are considered multiplatform games.''

read it and weep, its sw rules.

I never said this site used it now, i said it was a term you should already know. Also this is a MC thread for dicussion, like and IGn review thread (we don't exclude IGn because they sometimes use console exclusive from having a discussion thread do we?)

Now then, on MC this is accurate and all systems were treated fairly, and ony fans even with things removed or changes Sony still losese. Now then.

(also you kind of killed floppy jims post)

u are on sw hence sw rules apply. it doesnt matter if u are discussing mc, u are discussing it in sw. when in rome do as romans. simple.

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#129 TigerSuperman
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@ghostwarrior786 said:

@TigerSuperman said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@TigerSuperman said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@TigerSuperman: and the term console exclusive on here means if a game is released on pc + 1 console. ms/sony exclusive means if game is released only on there platforms.

Not really, just like on some other websites it's not used that way. The results don't change regardless.

@Floppy_Jim said:

Should have waited until the end of the year, Planetside 2 & Guilty Gear haven't released. Retail or downloadable or inserted anally, Velocity 2X is great and "ConExclusive".

Velocity is not a retail game. As for PS and GG, the results won't change unless GG does 92+ and PS2 does better than the PC score which will be impossible (it's have to be around 89+)

''There is no such thing as "console exclusive" or "company exclusive." Console exclusive is a term coined by lemmings that used the Xbox 360/PC games as a means against the PS3. PC and Xbox brands are not "Microsoft Exclusive" as the PC is an open market in which even Sony (Playstation owner) distributes PCs. Furthermore, just because a game is Xbox One and Xbox 360, or PS3, PS4 and PSVita does not mean they are "exclusive." They are considered multiplatform games.''

read it and weep, its sw rules.

I never said this site used it now, i said it was a term you should already know. Also this is a MC thread for dicussion, like and IGn review thread (we don't exclude IGn because they sometimes use console exclusive from having a discussion thread do we?)

Now then, on MC this is accurate and all systems were treated fairly, and ony fans even with things removed or changes Sony still losese. Now then.

(also you kind of killed floppy jims post)

u are on sw hence sw rules apply. it doesnt matter if u are discussing mc, u are discussing it in sw. when in rome do as romans. simple.

No they don't, it's a Metacritic thread, GS rules don't apply when discussing IGn or any other website thread, you are literally trying to scrape the bottom of the barrel.

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#130 Floppy_Jim
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@TigerSuperman said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@TigerSuperman said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@TigerSuperman said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@TigerSuperman: and the term console exclusive on here means if a game is released on pc + 1 console. ms/sony exclusive means if game is released only on there platforms.

Not really, just like on some other websites it's not used that way. The results don't change regardless.

@Floppy_Jim said:

Should have waited until the end of the year, Planetside 2 & Guilty Gear haven't released. Retail or downloadable or inserted anally, Velocity 2X is great and "ConExclusive".

Velocity is not a retail game. As for PS and GG, the results won't change unless GG does 92+ and PS2 does better than the PC score which will be impossible (it's have to be around 89+)

''There is no such thing as "console exclusive" or "company exclusive." Console exclusive is a term coined by lemmings that used the Xbox 360/PC games as a means against the PS3. PC and Xbox brands are not "Microsoft Exclusive" as the PC is an open market in which even Sony (Playstation owner) distributes PCs. Furthermore, just because a game is Xbox One and Xbox 360, or PS3, PS4 and PSVita does not mean they are "exclusive." They are considered multiplatform games.''

read it and weep, its sw rules.

I never said this site used it now, i said it was a term you should already know. Also this is a MC thread for dicussion, like and IGn review thread (we don't exclude IGn because they sometimes use console exclusive from having a discussion thread do we?)

Now then, on MC this is accurate and all systems were treated fairly, and ony fans even with things removed or changes Sony still losese. Now then.

(also you kind of killed floppy jims post)

u are on sw hence sw rules apply. it doesnt matter if u are discussing mc, u are discussing it in sw. when in rome do as romans. simple.

No they don't, it's a Metacritic thread, GS rules don't apply when discussing IGn or any other website thread, you are literally trying to scrape the bottom of the barrel.

I'm actually with you on this. "Gamespot rules" are bullshit now. Nothing happens if you "break" the rules and use the ConExclusive term. "Brand exclusives" is a better, more accurate term that might shut people up.

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#131  Edited By ghostwarrior786
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@TigerSuperman said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@TigerSuperman said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@TigerSuperman said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@TigerSuperman: and the term console exclusive on here means if a game is released on pc + 1 console. ms/sony exclusive means if game is released only on there platforms.

Not really, just like on some other websites it's not used that way. The results don't change regardless.

@Floppy_Jim said:

Should have waited until the end of the year, Planetside 2 & Guilty Gear haven't released. Retail or downloadable or inserted anally, Velocity 2X is great and "ConExclusive".

Velocity is not a retail game. As for PS and GG, the results won't change unless GG does 92+ and PS2 does better than the PC score which will be impossible (it's have to be around 89+)

''There is no such thing as "console exclusive" or "company exclusive." Console exclusive is a term coined by lemmings that used the Xbox 360/PC games as a means against the PS3. PC and Xbox brands are not "Microsoft Exclusive" as the PC is an open market in which even Sony (Playstation owner) distributes PCs. Furthermore, just because a game is Xbox One and Xbox 360, or PS3, PS4 and PSVita does not mean they are "exclusive." They are considered multiplatform games.''

read it and weep, its sw rules.

I never said this site used it now, i said it was a term you should already know. Also this is a MC thread for dicussion, like and IGn review thread (we don't exclude IGn because they sometimes use console exclusive from having a discussion thread do we?)

Now then, on MC this is accurate and all systems were treated fairly, and ony fans even with things removed or changes Sony still losese. Now then.

(also you kind of killed floppy jims post)

u are on sw hence sw rules apply. it doesnt matter if u are discussing mc, u are discussing it in sw. when in rome do as romans. simple.

No they don't, it's a Metacritic thread, GS rules don't apply when discussing IGn or any other website thread, you are literally trying to scrape the bottom of the barrel.

haha wtf are u talking about? this thread is created in sw hence sw rules apply not ur bullshit made up rules

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#132  Edited By deactivated-583e460ca986b
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Why are there so many multiplats in the list and what the hell is a console exclusive?

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#133 TigerSuperman
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@ghostwarrior786 said:

@TigerSuperman said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@TigerSuperman said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@TigerSuperman said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@TigerSuperman: and the term console exclusive on here means if a game is released on pc + 1 console. ms/sony exclusive means if game is released only on there platforms.

Not really, just like on some other websites it's not used that way. The results don't change regardless.

@Floppy_Jim said:

Should have waited until the end of the year, Planetside 2 & Guilty Gear haven't released. Retail or downloadable or inserted anally, Velocity 2X is great and "ConExclusive".

Velocity is not a retail game. As for PS and GG, the results won't change unless GG does 92+ and PS2 does better than the PC score which will be impossible (it's have to be around 89+)

''There is no such thing as "console exclusive" or "company exclusive." Console exclusive is a term coined by lemmings that used the Xbox 360/PC games as a means against the PS3. PC and Xbox brands are not "Microsoft Exclusive" as the PC is an open market in which even Sony (Playstation owner) distributes PCs. Furthermore, just because a game is Xbox One and Xbox 360, or PS3, PS4 and PSVita does not mean they are "exclusive." They are considered multiplatform games.''

read it and weep, its sw rules.

I never said this site used it now, i said it was a term you should already know. Also this is a MC thread for dicussion, like and IGn review thread (we don't exclude IGn because they sometimes use console exclusive from having a discussion thread do we?)

Now then, on MC this is accurate and all systems were treated fairly, and ony fans even with things removed or changes Sony still losese. Now then.

(also you kind of killed floppy jims post)

u are on sw hence sw rules apply. it doesnt matter if u are discussing mc, u are discussing it in sw. when in rome do as romans. simple.

No they don't, it's a Metacritic thread, GS rules don't apply when discussing IGn or any other website thread, you are literally trying to scrape the bottom of the barrel.

haha wtf are u talking about? this thread is created in sw hence sw rules apply not ur bullshit made up rules

Then like 80 threads should be removed then. This isn't GS scores, so SW rules do not apply just like they don't do for any thread talking about another website like IGn. You are not trying to make something that can't be argued an argument.

@GoldenElementXL said:

Why are there so many multiplats in the list and what the hell is a console exclusive?

Exclusive to only one (MS/SONY/Nintendo) console and not seen on the other 2. A term many still use outside system wars. Basically games that will sell those systems and are only on those systems that you can go out and buy in stores. But of course, you should know this, as SW used to use this term way back. of course, this is a MC thread for dicussion.

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#134  Edited By samusarmada
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TC: Why are you excluding downloadable games?

You actually have to justify this; simply saying they don't fit your definition of 'retail' doesn't explain why you are excluding them in the first place.

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#135  Edited By YD_11
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Xbox one definitely had the better year compared to ps4. Ps4 is for Indies and old PC ports.

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It's like the guy took a class on how to make shitty threads

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#137  Edited By deactivated-583e460ca986b
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@TigerSuperman said:

@GoldenElementXL said:

Why are there so many multiplats in the list and what the hell is a console exclusive?

Exclusive to only one (MS/SONY/Nintendo) console and not seen on the other 2. A term many still use outside system wars. Basically games that will sell those systems and are only on those systems that you can go out and buy in stores. But of course, you should know this, as SW used to use this term way back. of course, this is a MC thread for dicussion.

Oh so you're saying PC, last gen and handhelds don't count against this "exclusives" list? Way to manipulate the rules to win an argument!

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@samusarmada said:

TC: Why are you excluding downloadable games?

You actually have to justify this; simply saying they don't fit your definition of 'retail' doesn't explain why you are excluding them in the first place.

It's "everyones' definition of retail inclusion here. When people say retail release in gaming they NEVER mean DD ever. period. They are usually always separated or addressed as such if they aren't.

@Chutebox said:

It's like the guy took a class on how to make shitty threads

Glad you have no rebuttle so post your surrendering post already.

@GoldenElementXL said:

@TigerSuperman said:

@GoldenElementXL said:

Why are there so many multiplats in the list and what the hell is a console exclusive?

Exclusive to only one (MS/SONY/Nintendo) console and not seen on the other 2. A term many still use outside system wars. Basically games that will sell those systems and are only on those systems that you can go out and buy in stores. But of course, you should know this, as SW used to use this term way back. of course, this is a MC thread for dicussion.

Oh so you're saying PC, last gen and handhelds don't count against this "exclusives" list? Way to manipulate the rules to win an argument!

The same rules everyone else uses? PC has always been separate from the console war or the exclusives war. handhelds have also been separates. Also why would i include last gen in a thread about this gen? All logic out the window.

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#139  Edited By MikeHockbourns
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Nice, this helps my decision of getting an Xbox One over a PS4.

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@TigerSuperman: You counted games like Titanfall as Xbox exclusive. Lol.

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@TigerSuperman said:

@blue_hazy_basic said:

SMH idiotic thread and *looks @ games* dear god am I glad that I've a PC

It's for consoles only. Also nto sure how thread is idiotic when it's accurate.

You don't use the word "accurate" when talking about Metacritic.

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#142  Edited By lostrib
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@charizard1605 said:

@TigerSuperman: You counted games like Titanfall as Xbox exclusive. Lol.

"console exclusive"

You know that term that means whatever consolites want. I remember when RDR was termed a console exclusive. And now the same term is being used to describe Titanfall

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#143  Edited By samusarmada
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@TigerSuperman said:

@samusarmada said:

TC: Why are you excluding downloadable games?

You actually have to justify this; simply saying they don't fit your definition of 'retail' doesn't explain why you are excluding them in the first place.

It's "everyones' definition of retail inclusion here. When people say retail release in gaming they NEVER mean DD ever. period. They are usually always separated or addressed as such if they aren't.

But why aren't YOU including them. You don't even have to mention 'retail' or downloadable. You could just make a list that includes every type of exclusive game for each system, rather than a list that seems cherry-picked.

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So many multiplatform games.

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#145  Edited By Chutebox
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@TigerSuperman: Everyone has punched holes in this shit thread. Shit thread is pure shit, congratz.

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haha u are so full of it. it doesnt fukin matter what u are discussing, u are discussing it on gamespot. im done arguing with someone who clearly has a pea sized brain.

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yikes pc did bad this year. too many hackers/pirates.

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@mikehockbourns said:

Nice, this helps my decision of getting an Xbox One over a PS4.

Glad I helped you

@charizard1605 said:

@TigerSuperman: You counted games like Titanfall as Xbox exclusive. Lol.

It says Console Exclusive,

@samusarmada said:

@TigerSuperman said:

@samusarmada said:

TC: Why are you excluding downloadable games?

You actually have to justify this; simply saying they don't fit your definition of 'retail' doesn't explain why you are excluding them in the first place.

It's "everyones' definition of retail inclusion here. When people say retail release in gaming they NEVER mean DD ever. period. They are usually always separated or addressed as such if they aren't.

But why aren't YOU including them. You don't even have to mention 'retail' or downloadable. You could just make a list that includes every type of exclusive game for each system, rather than a list that seems cherry-picked.

The same reason many do, because the majority buy retail games along with consoles. DD games don't usually if at all get console sales.

@ghostwarrior786 said:

haha u are so full of it. it doesnt fukin matter what u are discussing, u are discussing it on gamespot. im done arguing with someone who clearly has a pea sized brain.

Yes it does, you have no argument, you won't even address thread of dicussion about OTHER websites that ALREADY exst because you have no arguement.

@farrell2k said:

@Chutebox said:

@TigerSuperman: Everyone has punched holes in this shit thread. Shit thread is pure shit, congratz.

I agree. It takes an extraordinary special kind of stupid to make the TC's argument. The mental gymnastics done on this one were quite spectacular. I felt like I was watching the extra-special Olympics.

Oh you men the one you were in? Person who is too stupid to know what Retail means in games media and the regular media? Retail release is even used for books, it's time for you to get off your parents computer.

@Chutebox said:

@TigerSuperman: Everyone has punched holes in this shit thread. Shit thread is pure shit, congratz.

Still don't have a rebuttle eh?

@lostrib said:

@charizard1605 said:

@TigerSuperman: You counted games like Titanfall as Xbox exclusive. Lol.

"console exclusive"

You know that term that means whatever consolites want. I remember when RDR was termed a console exclusive. And now the same term is being used to describe Titanfall

Consolite/ Since when are PC and consoles ever not separated in a ton of cases?

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@TigerSuperman said:

@lostrib said:

@charizard1605 said:

@TigerSuperman: You counted games like Titanfall as Xbox exclusive. Lol.

"console exclusive"

You know that term that means whatever consolites want. I remember when RDR was termed a console exclusive. And now the same term is being used to describe Titanfall

Consolite/ Since when are PC and consoles ever not separated in a ton of cases?

I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make. I was just commenting on the term "console exclusive"