MGS coming or NOT COMING to 360 Thread

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]No, your point was that there is no concrete proof that a particular clause which you made up in regards a particular contract may be included in the contract.

That would indeed require a stretch of the imagination, and follows the same type of logical fallacy as Russell's example.

MGS4 going to the 360, on the other hand, does not fall under Russell's example, as there has been some evidence that it may happen. I am in agreement with you there. But I don't think one should invent particular clauses of a behind-closed-doors contract and use it as evidence to bolster one's case.

vauba_haoly

A timed exclusive clause has indeed been implemented before, but I have never heard of anything like that which you described: "such a contract may have a clause where they are free of the contract if the PS3 sells poorly."

Can you give an example of such a "safety net" clause applied to any game, past or present?

I don't have an example for a game because I can't think of any time where it has been needed before. It's just the kind of thing that's smart for businesses in general to do. In any business deal it's smart to have a way out if the partner does not live up to their end of the bargain. I can think of an example in the music industry. Beck's contract with Geffen allowed hime to release albums on other labels that Geffen didn't think would be commercialy viable. Certainly not everyone puts this kind of language into business contracts but they're smarter if they do. Why do you think people don't make these kinds of safety nets in business?
vauba_haoly

In other words, you can't come up with a game industry example because "I can't think of any time where it has been needed before." Yet this type of clause, in your view, is "smart for businesses in general to do."

If so, wouldn't examples within the game industry be more ubiquitous, then? Your two statements contradict one another.

The fact that you had to pull an example from the music industry shows that you really have no concrete evidence of these type of "safety net" clauses being built into game contracts. Speculation about the possibility of such a clause in the MGS4 contract with Sony is hardly evidence in favor of your position. It's wild guessing at best, because really, neither you nor I nor anyone else in the general public knows what's going on behind closed doors.

Let's stick with credible reports and base our predictions on those rather than subjectively conjured scenarios for which we have no evidence.

Ok so let me get this straight we are still talking about this after:

Mr. Kojima said it will be PS3 exclusive

Konami said it will probably be PS3 exclusive

Jack Trenton of Sony said it will be PS3 exclusive

Phil Harrison at Sony said it will be PS3 exclusive

David Reeves of Sony said they have an exclusivity contract with Konami

The game has been said to use every feature the PS3 has to offer to the best of its abilities (Blu-ray/cell/sixaxis)

the game has been said to require the PS3

Peter Moore of Microsoft said the game was PS3 exclusive

Are we seriously still talking about this? unbelivable. This is like a new low for any of the fanboys on System war. It official, lemmings take the cake for most desperate fanboy. If you want MGS4, you will definately need a Playstation 3, it is as simple as that, you can hope for it, but hope aint going to change the fact the Sony and Konami have most likely signed a contract for MGS4 exclusivty, and the game is very likely to sell well regardless of the platform.

g4 says it might be coming to the 360 (i'm not sure if theye're a reliable source though) linkshoeman12

They are just quoting the OXM rumor just like everyone else. Problem is Phil Harrison already said that it is an absolute exclusive.

GI: Is Metal Gear Solid 4 still exclusive? Is that solidified and will never appear on the Xbox 360?

Harrison: Yes. We said it was an exclusive title.

http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200707/N07.0719.1908.25222.htm?Page=3

Now, can we finally end this rumor, I would say the above comment pretty much ends it, but some people still beleive? Lemmings are really grasping at straws with this one.

at this point and time it still only for ps3. but that dosent mean it wont go to 360.

re4 went to ps2.... killer 7- was suppose to be for cube only.

oh and another game that went to ps2.

see even though this is capcom they want they MONEY

at this point and time it still only for ps3. but that dosent mean it wont go to 360.

re4 went to ps2.... killer 7- was suppose to be for cube only.

oh and another game that went to ps2.

see even though this is capcom they want they MONEY

wavebrid

So basically, 10 different officials, some even from Microsoft, saying MGS4 is exclusive to PS3 won't convince you otherwise? Plus, Konami, and more importantly, Kojima Productions, aren't capcom and aren't that money hungry. How would 360 incorporate the Six Axis abilities of the game anyway?

[QUOTE="Killfox"]

[QUOTE="Spartan070"][QUOTE="Killfox"]Like i said before. Whos going to make it??? Since kojima is not. Well thats atleast what he tells us.Spartan070

Its just not the same.

True but it doesn't make it any less likely.

True. I just couldnt see myself playing a MGS game not made by kojima.

at this point and time it still only for ps3. but that dosent mean it wont go to 360.

re4 went to ps2.... killer 7- was suppose to be for cube only.

oh and another game that went to ps2.

see even though this is capcom they want they MONEY

wavebrid

Thats Capcom, not Konami. They never keep promises.

This just shows that MGS is the best game this gen. You don't see cows spreading BS about Halo being ported, which isnt that much different.leejohnson7

so true...i know lemmings are gonna say "because halo would never get ported" but u dont hear us going on and on about Gears coming to PS3 or Bioshock coming to PS3. We were told they werent coming, we mourned and we moved on because we knew there were better games ahead for us. But lemmings go at it 24/7. I wouldnt be suprised if lemming cited a porn website which claims they have news from a 'bankable source' (which happens to be a 36 y.o transvestite crack whore named Raul) claiming that MGS4 is coming to X360 just to keep their hopes up. pathetic i must say.

other than the fanboy reason of it helping ps3, why would anyone want it exclusive? third party dev let them do whatever the hell they want with it. if its multiplat more people willget to play it without having to waste$600.

its not like the mgs franchise is exclusive to ps. sure its the "primary" console but it has been to other places back in the day. why not now? why not now that ps brand isn't as popular anymore? what is assuring konami it wont sell if it goes to 360? nothing. back then it sold like crap bc xbox was selling like crap. is that the case now? no.

This just shows that MGS is the best game this gen. You don't see cows spreading BS about Halo being ported, which isnt that much different.leejohnson7

other than the fanboy reason of it helping ps3, why would anyone want it exclusive? third party dev let them do whatever the hell they want with it. if its multiplat more people willget to play it without having to waste$600.

its not like the mgs franchise is exclusive to ps. sure its the "primary" console but it has been to other places back in the day. why not now? why not now that ps brand isn't as popular anymore? what is assuring konami it wont sell if it goes to 360? nothing. back then it sold like crap bc xbox was selling like crap. is that the case now? no.

omarguy01

You really wanna know why? ok.

1st reason: 360 fanboys will shut the hell up about it and stop saying "OMG BS3=PWNED BWABWABWABWABWA. OMG JOO PS3 OWNERS MUST FEEL STOOPID NOW". And personally, i'm getting tired of seeing it. I'ts gotten to the point that if I had enough money, i would pay epic to make Gears 2 exclusive to the PS3.

2nd reason: PS3 keeps this exclusive, sails go up, devs start to make more exclusives for it because of increase in sales-this leads to a bigger install base which leads to more people to play online with.

[QUOTE="leejohnson7"]This just shows that MGS is the best game this gen. You don't see cows spreading BS about Halo being ported, which isnt that much different.Ibacai

The odds are still the same.

Kojima knows about all the rumours and the negative impact it's having on PS3 sales, so why don't he just go out and say "It wont come to x360 in a million years, end of story"? You all know the answer, think about it.

Kojima knows about all the rumours and the negative impact it's having on PS3 sales, so why don't he just go out and say "It wont come to x360 in a million years, end of story"? You all know the answer, think about it.

Pripyat

no means no. :|

Kojima knows about all the rumours and the negative impact it's having on PS3 sales, so why don't he just go out and say "It wont come to x360 in a million years, end of story"? You all know the answer, think about it.

Pripyat

Because he probably thinks it's useless if people still won't believe him even after people ffrom MS, Sony, along with konami and himself saying that it wouldn't.

It's coming because the publisher does not want to miss out on the 11 million people on the 360 who could be potential customers. Sony doesn't have that capability at this time. They are in it to make money and 3-6 months after it hits the ps3, it will hit the 360 as money is all that matters in this world to major businesses.cjnwo4life

Actually they probably won't seeing as how Konami, MS, kojima (who DOES have a say on where it goes), and Sony have said it is PS3 exclusive. Not only that but MGS2:substance sold like crap on xbox. If indeed major business was the case, they would have made MGS:twin snakes for the gamecube multiplat. Hell the gamecube sold less than the PS2 but you didn't see them porting twin snakes to the PS2 or xbox.

It's coming because the publisher does not want to miss out on the 11 million people on the 360 who could be potential customers. Sony doesn't have that capability at this time. They are in it to make money and 3-6 months after it hits the ps3, it will hit the 360 as money is all that matters in this world to major businesses.cjnwo4life

11 million 360s and how many of those are actually working? Thats right, I went there.

On topic, I think it should be accepted as fact now that this game is going to be PS3 exclusive, obviously we have now heard that Sony has paid Konami some money to Konami for somthing (probably MGS). Obviously Sony paid for MGS4 and that is why Phil Harrision said that MGS4 is and always will be a PS3 exclusive. I posted the quote earlier in the thread, you can check for yourself.

[QUOTE="cjnwo4life"]It's coming because the publisher does not want to miss out on the 11 million people on the 360 who could be potential customers. Sony doesn't have that capability at this time. They are in it to make money and 3-6 months after it hits the ps3, it will hit the 360 as money is all that matters in this world to major businesses.Devilwillcry

11 million 360s and how many of those are actually working? Thats right, I went there.

On topic, I think it should be accepted as fact now that this game is going to be PS3 exclusive, obviously we have now heard that Sony has paid Konami some money to Konami for somthing (probably MGS). Obviously Sony paid for MGS4 and that is why Phil Harrision said that MGS4 is and always will be a PS3 exclusive. I posted the quote earlier in the thread, you can check for yourself.

Well if true then it won't be an issue for you and everyone that is dying to have it on the ps3 only. (I can care less as I own both but find it fascinating why so many people go crazy over this issue.

I guess we will have to wait and see as anything can happen.

Kojima knows about all the rumours and the negative impact it's having on PS3 sales, so why don't he just go out and say "It wont come to x360 in a million years, end of story"? You all know the answer, think about it.

Pripyat

Will anyone buy MGS4 if it comes out for 360 but isn't made by Kojima? I mean without him, it's not really MGS4.manningbowl135

Depends if it's just a port not handled by Kojima, or a very different game. If the former, probably a lot will buy it, maybe not so much if its the latter.

I hope its coming to 360lego863

[QUOTE="Pripyat"]

Kojima knows about all the rumours and the negative impact it's having on PS3 sales, so why don't he just go out and say "It wont come to x360 in a million years, end of story"? You all know the answer, think about it.

0rin

If Kojima and maybe Konami executive Kazumi Kitaue (who talked about "we might have to take some steps" during E3) on behalf of Konami went out and said "It wont come to x360 in a million years, end of story", every normal person would be satisfied. Fanboys make up about 0,1% of console buyers, noboby cares what they think. But today even normal people don't know what to think, and it's hurting PS3 sales. Konami knows this, why don't they give a definitive answer if it's hurting sales of the only platform they plan making money off? It doesn't make sense at all.

This is really pathetic, how people care more about weather or not its mulitplat then about the game itsself.

PS: Casey, why are all the MGS threads being locked when they have nothing to do with the multi platform arguement?

This just shows that MGS is the best game this gen. You don't see cows spreading BS about Halo being ported, which isnt that much different.leejohnson7

no, most of them want it because that would be the final nail in teh ps3's coffin.

If Kojima and maybe Konami executive Kazumi Kitaue (who talked about "we might have to take some steps" during E3) on behalf of Konami went out and said "It wont come to x360 in a million years, end of story", every normal person would be satisfied. Fanboys make up about 0,1% of console buyers, noboby cares what they think. But today even normal people don't know what to think, and it's hurting PS3 sales. Konami knows this, why don't they give a definitive answer if it's hurting sales of the only platform they plan making money off? It doesn't make sense at all.

If Kojima and maybe Konami executive Kazumi Kitaue (who talked about "we might have to take some steps" during E3) on behalf of Konami went out and said "It wont come to x360 in a million years, end of story", every normal person would be satisfied. Fanboys make up about 0,1% of console buyers, noboby cares what they think. But today even normal people don't know what to think, and it's hurting PS3 sales. Konami knows this, why don't they give a definitive answer if it's hurting sales of the only platform they plan making money off? It doesn't make sense at all.

nygiantsfan1

They have come out and said that. Kojima, all the Sony bigs and Moore said it's a PS3 exclusive yet Lemmings still hope for a port. That's what's pathetic about the whole thing. It's not like gamespot debunked the rumour, Kojima, Sony and Microsoft have. Of course Lemmings prefer to believe the unnamed source instead.

No, they haven't said "It wont come to x360 in a million years, end of story", that's the problem. Instead Konami executive Kazumi Kitaue was running around saying "Since Metal Gear Solid was born for the PlayStation, we would like to keep it a PlayStation game. But we might have to take some steps" just before E3, fueling the rumours. They know about the rumours, they know about the impact they are having on PS3 sales - they need to clarify the situation a.s.a.p if the game is going to be PS3 only. Why aren't they?

They have come out and said that. Kojima, all the Sony bigs and Moore said it's a PS3 exclusive yet Lemmings still hope for a port. That's what's pathetic about the whole thing. It's not like gamespot debunked the rumour, Kojima, Sony and Microsoft have. Of course Lemmings prefer to believe the unnamed source instead.

No, they haven't said "It wont come to x360 in a million years, end of story", that's the problem. Instead Konami executive Kazumi Kitaue was running around saying "Since Metal Gear Solid was born for the PlayStation, we would like to keep it a PlayStation game. But we might have to take some steps" just before E3, fueling the rumours. They know about the rumours, they know about the impact they are having on PS3 sales - they need to clarify the situation a.s.a.p if the game is going to be PS3 only. Why aren't they?

lemmings want confirmations from Jesus when it comes to MGS4.

That is the awsome might of this game. :P

who cares? MGS is a really crappy game in my opinion.MADVLAD123

Lots of people besides you. What's the point in jumping into a thread just to spout your dislike for a game?

They said it was exclusive... so it should be exclusive...

Then again, remember all the "exclusives" Capcom had for the GameCube? Viewtiful Joe, Resident Evil 4, Killer 7...

[QUOTE="lego863"]I hope its coming to 3600rin

[QUOTE="0rin"]

[QUOTE="lego863"]I hope its coming to 360omarguy01

I wouldn't care if MGS4 is also coming to the 360, I'm still getting the superior version on my PS3.

[QUOTE="omarguy01"][QUOTE="0rin"]

[QUOTE="lego863"]I hope its coming to 360JustE32007

I wouldn't care if MGS4 is also coming to the 360, I'm still getting the superior version on my PS3.

lol ur fanboy is showing! ewww

[QUOTE="MADVLAD123"]who cares? MGS is a really crappy game in my opinion.DaAznSaN

Lots of people besides you. What's the point in jumping into a thread just to spout your dislike for a game?

Because I can. It's my opinion and I can share it.