MGS: GZ is less than 2 hours - Kojima Defends

Yeah if it's 4-5 hours of gameplay than it's normal, for a MGS game that is. :P

That's the biggest problem I think. Kojima knows he can let the game release at these prices cos fans will buy it even begrudgingly just to get their next gen MGS fix. Why sell lower when people are willing to pay the premium

There's been full priced games that can be beaten in less time than MGS V GZ

• Dark Souls
• RE2
• LoZ Oot
• Skyrim
• The Bouncer
• Pokemon Snap
• Super Mario
• Portal
• Starfox 64

Those are just the ones I can remember, people are just being hypocrites with this whole fiasco.

Do I really need to tell you the difference between those games you pointed out and this?

Granted we don't know all the details of this game, but it's not necessarily just the time beaten that is bugging people about this.

Ok well let's wait for a speedrun of Ground Zeroes to be 5 minutes long and then we'll come back to this post

K i'll be waiting

Ha you can flash fancy graphics and statistics at me all you want, I have literally beaten the game more than a handful of times. I can see the game lasting that long on a first run through when you don't know what the heck you're doing but all that time just adds fluff to the overall game time.

Kojima has talked back about the controversy over the game length. He kinda made things worse though as the game only has 5 side missions and a time trial leaderboard thing

The young Metal Gear Solid fans will buy the title regardless. They are very fanatical. Older, mature people such as myself will more than likely pick up Thief.

Still not acceptable, but everyone's going to defend it 'cuz da stori maks it da best game eva, gamplay is for cidz'.

That certainly didn't alleviate any of my complaints. Phantom Pain will be badass, no doubt... Not so sure about GZ.

Personally, i'mma grab Phantom Pain and Thief. If GZ turns out decent, I may pick that up as well.

im not buying this until i get a price cut. $40 physical disc for ps4...gtfo i would buy it for $25

My friend, I will be buying both.

Yeah looking forward to TPP but GZ will be a no go maybe until closer to the full MGS V launch or a price drop. The pricing for it is just too much

Yup... Seems like a GT5 route which just sucks.

@Ballroompirate:

I'm sorry but are you comparing some games that are beaten quickly via exploits for speed runs? I would love to see someone go through OoT or Skyrim in two hours on their first run without any exploits.

Replay value > How quick you can beat the game. If the game is fun and they continue to add stuff to the game, I will get it digitally. I'll go half with my bro so we can share.

Oot can be done by a glitch, Skyrim can be done legitly.

what??/? I took me 20 hours+ for MGS4 , and 2 and 3 were well above 14+ hours... Then again , I look for everything and don't rush thorugh games like some people seem to do.

konami / kojima has become greedy ever since they signed a deal with M$ .... it happens.. They start the moneyhat and then ...they lose their integrity. (lolz... systems wars is fun!)

They loose it? Like loosen it up? Hmmmm. You should avoid GZ and give this a try.

@gago-gago

While that is true (it was the case with GTA V vs GTA IV), a line has to be drawn when too short is too short regardless of replay value, Metal Gear Solid 4 was too short at 4 hours and replay value did not make up for it (especially considering the extra payments required for Metal Gear Online) so replay value won't make up for a length of 2 hours.

@millerlight89:

Typos happen. Especially on message boards. What the big deal? Or do you not like what I said because it's regarding M$?

Don't give a shit.

Length of a game does not effect my enjoyment of a game. if the price is too high, I'm more than capable of waiting for a sale. I don't see the point in crying about this.

I like MS, I like Sony, I like Ninty, I don't like fanboys.

Young? Metal Gear has been around since 1987; it predates every single stealth except for the original Wolfenstein.

Something tells me it will still sell in millions. Gamers cry about these things online but when the shit releases they go and buy it day 1.

"Not only that but Kojima has said if Ground

Zeroes doesn't do well that they will delay MGS V"

LOL Sounds like a randsom demand for a hostage negotiation.

Also how much of the game is cutscenes ?

And why isn't he using Ground Zero to experiment ?

Same here. I was talking about not including cutscenes though, which was what my question was based on.

That sounds generous. I probably won't touch until it reaches £10.

This shouldn't cost more than 10$

Only if you listen to each codec entry.

The game is actually about 4 hours long.

Yeah, but you won't be going into GZ with the knowledge of where to go or how to do things. It'll be a first run time. Once you know how to do the mission it'll be even shorter than 4 hours or the n-th run time of other MGS games.

So where MGS1 is a 15 hour game your first playthrough and a 5 hour game the second, MGS:GZ will be a 4 hour game the first time and a approx 1.3 hour game the second time.

This is my memory of it too. I guess this is a speedrun on easy.

Ahhhh, I love the Kojima apologists.

If a game is priced highly when it shouldn't be and people buy it in drives then it might encourage more shitty pricing strategies like it.

Look how CoD alone almost dictated how much DLC should cost, not saying MGS is the Juggernaut CoD is but still.

And as much as the devs/pubs deserved a knock for high pricing, that blame works both ways to the consumer. They spend their money. They bitch about it and then spend their money. When you have so many other options at your disposal. Especially people on this forum: Using a computer, using the internet, clearly finding a sale shouldn't be hard.

And then that comes with the issue that gameplay pricing should be entirely based on content per dollar. In which case the entire 60 dollar business model is flawed given Skyrim is obnoxiously long. Personally I'll take 2 hours of excellence vs a 40 hour game at 30 bucks that's merely good at best. Not that ground zeroes will be excellent(it won't be), but the length of the game again should have little effect on how good the game is. And the pricetag is more person to person as we now live in a world where the consumer has no real excuse for paying a higher price than the game deserves.

As for it effecting other companies. It probably will. And there will also be companies who don't do shitty things like this. Just like there is shitty dlc and non shitty dlc. It's just the nature of the beast.

Put your foot down, don't buy it, move on.

Don't know why so many people here are fixating on the play time. I would rather spend 11 seconds between Margot Robbie's (portraying Jordan Belfort's wife in the Wolf of Wall street) legs, than spend 11 minutes with my right hand

$20 for two hours? Not likely I'll be playing this one then, ah well.

That's what I'm saying. I have it preordered, but I'll wait if the game is only 2hrs long and then you can just replay the level over and over again for a faster time. Bah.... If the game was 4-5hrs long, I'd get it.

Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon didnt have to defend its short campaign because it was priced at 15 dollars.

He defends something you can't defend (2h for $40+? GTFO!) and then there's rumors that MGS5 (the real deal) is coming out in 2015... Kojima been a major disappointment since his "big ps4 announcement" during VGX or wtf ever it was.

It took me twenty hours watching all the cut scenes and about five hours skipping them. I played the version on Gamecube.

2 hours is a standard for linear games? What you smoking Kojima? Or maybe he's just going senile? Like most japanese developers end up doing.

How anyone can justify paying 30 to 40 bucks for a glorified demo is beyond me. Like seriously? That is crazy.

So you watched a bunch of speed runs and came to the conclusion that all those games are short for everyone? Lol no and GZ isn't even 2 hours by speed run standards, it's just laughably short. $40 for a laughably short game that Kojima thinks is the standard for all linear games.

For starters I can beat RE2 in less than an hour, secondly a Bethesda dev showed off that Skyrim can be beaten in 2 hours, thirdly it's a known fact Oot has a glitch that can be used to beat it in under 30 min. Then you have Dark Souls another game that can be exploited via Pyro builds, Super Mario's warp to beat the game in a few minutes is also well known, then if you have ever played The Bouncer for PS2, you know how short that game is.

If GZ has decent-amazing quality and replayability then who cares if the game is $30 as long as you got your money's worth?

Congrats on making yourself look like a tool. Also MGSV GZ is $29.99 (unless you buy the next gen versions), so get wrecked scrub.

Those are games that have to be glitched or speed ran to finish in that amount of time. GZ was beaten in less than 2 hours on a leisurely playthrough, playing the game the same way you described as others above could make the game 5 minutes long

I do agree most times quality over quantity because I've loved games like Journey, Dear Esther and Gone Home but there's a price point where it ends up crossing the line into ridiculousness, especially as the next gen version is more expensive for whatever stupid reason.

My issue though is that the game doesn't even look that good quality wise, they've shown different playthroughs of the same base over and over again and it just doesn't look worth that price even from a gameplay stand point.

They've expressed that they want this to be a demo for TPP to get you used to the controls and new mechanics for the game and end up charging that for it, they even said if it doesn't sell well that TPP will be delayed. That's bullshit no matter how you look at it

Any game can be speed runned through, first playthroughs or even second, third ect ect.

As for GZ pricing it doesn't bug me, at least yet. I have no desire to jump into next gen (specially when I still need to upgrade my RAM, GPU and CPU for my PC) so I'll be getting the PS3 version which is $30 and at that price as long as there's some replayability and quality I'm fine with that, I mean hell I've spent $20 on numerous indie games that can be beaten in 2 hours and some of them weren't worth the price tag and some were. Kojima could've easily put a $60 tag on GZ, but he didn't so I'm actually thankful we actually get some sort of discount/price cut for GZ.

The delaying of TPP is kinda BS if GZ sells poorly but you have to look at it if GZ does sell poorly and Kojima delays TPP to make it better then I'm fine with that, if he delays it just cause he's a douche then that's a slap in the face to his fans and to the people who bought his game.