MGS2 = The Greatest Game Of All Time.

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#1 Eddie-Vedder
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I´m replaying this cause I don´t remember the story that well, getting myself hyped for MGS4 and WOW, this game has aged perfectly, it´s grafics are still very impressive, the gameplay is great, the game just feels ahead of it´s time, you don´t get that this is a "10 year old game" feel from it. And the story... After watching the trailers for MGS4 if you go back and play MGS2 you´ll see some pretty cool stuff, I´d like to share it with you but I prefer you guys go back and play it =). Kojima is truly in a league of his own, this game is just above every other game I´ve ever played, go play it if you haven´t in a long time, and if you have never played this game plz do, you owe it to yourself as a gamer to play this! If you don´t want to take my word for it go watch the video review here on gamespot, if I can´t convince you Greg will.
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#2 musicalmac  Moderator
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Not according to this site. Seems Tony Hawk 3 beat it out with a perfect score ;)
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#3 SpruceCaboose
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Good to see you have an opinion.
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#4 cutmaclass1
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MGS3>>>>MGS2
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#5 Panzer_Zwei
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It's my least favourite MGS game.
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#6 musicalmac  Moderator
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Good to see you have an opinion.SpruceCaboose
Sweet new sig- I dig it. And yes. Opinions are fun.
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#7 Adrian_Cloud
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ITs a great game and just like MGS1, SH and RE4 it was really ahead of its time. I can't think of a bigger influence on special effects and dynamic story telling than MGS2. Probably one of the best soundtracks in any action/expionage game with a great cast of voice actors, coupled with some of the most cinematic cut-scenes ever. Gameplay wise the game was really solid. It improved on what MGS was good at and made that great, plus added some new mechanics.
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#8 foxhound_fox
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Are you presenting this as your opinion or as a fact?

And I would hope you don't get "this game feels 10 years old" from a game that is 6 years old.
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#9 TheCrazed420
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I think you meant worst in the series.
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#10 Korrigan777
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definitely one of my favourites games of all time. when i played that for the first time my floor hit the ground.

the graphics are awesome considering...

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#11 Blue-Sphere
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I disagree.
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#12 Wintry_Flutist
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MGS2 was a sad excuse to lazely remake MGS1. "But teh simulation to prepare Raiden!!!11" Damn, that was lame...
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#13 Adrian_Cloud
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MGS3>>>>MGS2cutmaclass1

MGS4>MGS1>MGs2>MGS3
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#14 Raidea
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MGS1 > MGS2 > MGS3, in my opinion.

MGS1 was just so good though, I doubt another MGS game will top it (though MGS4 looks awesome). As for the greatest game of all time, well that's just an opinion.

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#15 SpruceCaboose
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definitely one of my favourites games of all time. when i played that for the first time my floor hit the ground.

the graphics are awesome considering...

Korrigan777

Your floor hit your ground? I know it was unintentional, but I laughed anyway...

And thanks musicalmac. Glad to see you around again!

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#16 NorthlandMan
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dumbest game ever more like

90% of it was cutscenes

cutscenes that didn't make sense

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#17 VScalar
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Sam Fisher Disagrees.
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#18 NorthlandMan
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Sam Fisher Disagrees.VScalar

The only thing worse than MGS 2 are the crappy splinter cell games

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#19 Kestastrophe
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I personally think that RE4 or Half-Life 2 are the greatest games. My personal favorite game is Ratchet and Clank: Going Commando.
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#20 manicfoot
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I agree. It is definately in my top 10 best games of all time. You have to laugh at some bits, though. There's some laughably bad dialogue that discovered when replaying it that I somehow missed when I was 15. Raiden is king: "I won't let you become a dream"... Awesomely bad.

I can see why people think it's the weakest game of the series though. It's all about Raiden I guess. You either love or hate him. The whole "teh simulation" thing is also valid, but I love MGS2 because pretty much all of the characters are interesting and have backstories. In MGS3 you had some guy who fires bees at you and then explodes for no reason after you kill him. MGS2 ftw!

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#21 SpaceDragonMan
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Are you kidding me? First of all you get the 10 minutes on each codec conversations about absolutely nothing, on top of that you get to play as a total loser of a character that nobody in their right minds would want to play as(I'm talking about the Abomination that is Raiden of course). And Gameplay is almost identical to MGS 1. Atleast MGS 3 tried to innovate, and offered new gameplay...

In short MGS 2 is the most overhyped, overrated an disappointing sequel in gaming history(IMO)

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#22 agentfred
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Wrong, MGS3:S>MGS2.

Granted, MGS2 does feature the best story of all time.

http://junkerhq.net/MGS2/index.html

Read that If you don't believe me.

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#23 NorthlandMan
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Are you kidding me? First of all you get the 10 minutes on each codec conversations about absolutely nothing, on top of that you get to play as a total loser of a character that nobody in their right minds would want to play as(I'm talking about the Abomination that is Raiden of course). And Gameplay is almost identical to MGS 1. Atleast MGS 3 tried to innovate, and offered new gameplay...

In short MGS 2 is the most overhyped, overrated an disappointing sequel in gaming history(IMO)

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MGS3 made up for it though

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#24 Blue-Sphere
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dumbest game ever more like

90% of it was cutscenes

cutscenes that didn't make sense

NorthlandMan
I actually enjoyed the cutscenes playing it with some friends, but I agree that there was a few too many. We'd do an objective, then 5 minutes later, a cutscene. Objective, 5 minutes later, cutscene. Rinse, repeat. Yeah, I know, I know, I can skip it by pressing X. Well, I'd like to actually be able to know what's going on...

By the way, nice sig. :lol:

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#25 kcm_117
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when i played that for the first time my floor hit the ground.

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what the hell? your floor hit the ground?

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#26 Blue-Sphere
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[QUOTE="Korrigan777"]

when i played that for the first time my floor hit the ground.

kcm_117

what the hell? your floor hit the ground?

Jaw hit the floor or jaw hit the ground? Maybe that's what he meant.
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MGS2 was a sad excuse to lazely remake MGS1. "But teh simulation to prepare Raiden!!!11" Damn, that was lame...Wintry_Flutist

wtf? you obviously didnt pay attention to the story properly. It was revealed that it wasnt a simulation to prepare raiden, since ocelot hadnt been told the whole truth. It was a model to test the AI of arsenal gear to see if it can handle, collect and alter data in extreme cases.

to the tc, i wouldn't go so far to say it is the greatest game of all time since a lot of people wont agree, since they either dont like it or prefer another game. but i might agree with you but mgs3 is just as good, if not better. so im not sure if i would go with mgs3 or mgs2. It sad people didnt like mgs2 because the story was too deep for them to understand, and that you had to play as raiden...but he jus made snake even more badass which was what kojima was trying to do...sigh

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Sam Fisher Disagrees.VScalar
Master Thief Garrett disagrees 8)
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#29 SpaceDragonMan
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Why dont you guys stop posting spoilers before you get moderated....
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It´s amazing how well done this game is, yes it has some lame dialogue but nothing out of the norm, a lot of good movies have chessy lines mixed in, and yes there are a lot of cut scenes, but I enjoy the cutscenes so I won´t even try to defend them, I hope MGS4 has a lot also, I like the way MGS2 feels, it´s so friggen hard to stop playing cause you want to get to the next cutscene to see the story, and you know it´s not that far away cause well it never is =P, t also, the gameplay feels perfect, I hadn´t played a game in a very long time that grabbed me this way, if you own the game pop it in and play a bit you´ll see what I mean =).
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Hmmm... I dunno about greatest, but it was damn good. I just remember spending HOURS on that demo that came with thet one robot fighting game (dom'te remember the name). Then the game came out, and I loved it soooooo much! Except maybe for some of the Raiden parts, but that was assumed, right?
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Hmmm... I dunno about greatest, but it was damn good. I just remember spending HOURS on that demo that came with thet one robot fighting game (dom'te remember the name). Then the game came out, and I loved it soooooo much! Except maybe for some of the Raiden parts, but that was assumed, right?ryan_mirow

I remember the first time around I didn´t like Raiden so much either, but it was more of a "I want to play as Snake" thing. This time around after watching the MGS4 trailer raiden kicks ass =) I strongly believe MGS will conitnue after snake with Raiden it just makes sense.

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MGS3 sucked. Snake was a wuss in most of the game.
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#34 SemiMaster
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MGS3>>>>MGS2cutmaclass1

Quoted for truth, nothing more. At least MGS4 will clarify a lot of the metaphysical technobabble. Still MGS2 is a quality game.

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I didnt like it as much as MGS:3, but 2s ending was great. 3s was better, but 2s was really really good. And I liked the gameplay alot too, I would say that it barely losses to MGS3
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#36 ryan_mirow
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[QUOTE="ryan_mirow"]Hmmm... I dunno about greatest, but it was damn good. I just remember spending HOURS on that demo that came with thet one robot fighting game (dom'te remember the name). Then the game came out, and I loved it soooooo much! Except maybe for some of the Raiden parts, but that was assumed, right?Eddie-Vedder

I remember the first time around I didn´t like Raiden so much either, but it was more of a "I want to play as Snake" thing. This time around after watching the MGS4 trailer raiden kicks ass =) I strongly believe MGS will conitnue after snake with Raiden it just makes sense.

O definitely, Raiden looks like such a badass in MGS4. Just as long as he doesn't have an equally powerful cybernetic ninja girlfriend to make him cry the whole freakin game, i'll be all for it!

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#37 fierro316
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Even with all the cheesy dialogue it's easily the best story of all time. It's also one of the few action adventure games that I keep replaying.
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[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

[QUOTE="ryan_mirow"]Hmmm... I dunno about greatest, but it was damn good. I just remember spending HOURS on that demo that came with thet one robot fighting game (dom'te remember the name). Then the game came out, and I loved it soooooo much! Except maybe for some of the Raiden parts, but that was assumed, right?ryan_mirow

I remember the first time around I didn´t like Raiden so much either, but it was more of a "I want to play as Snake" thing. This time around after watching the MGS4 trailer raiden kicks ass =) I strongly believe MGS will conitnue after snake with Raiden it just makes sense.

O definitely, Raiden looks like such a badass in MGS4. Just as long as he doesn't have an equally powerful cybernetic ninja girlfriend to make him cry the whole freakin game, i'll be all for it!

I thought that medicine woman in MGS3 was worse. "Snake, have you seen this movie yet?"

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i dont know why people like metal gear. the series is the more boring video game series in the world, to me. i think i rather play the trash, thats rachet and clank than this game
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#40 NaiKoN9293
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It's my least favourite MGS game.Panzer_Zwei

really? I think mgs3 is the worst

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#41 oceansandearth
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l still believe MGS on PsOne was better.

My order of preference (of the ones I played):

MGS (PSX) > MG (NES) > MGS 3:SN (PS2) > MGS 2:SOL (PS2)

I am not saying any of them are bad, it's just my preference.

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#42 Eddie-Vedder
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i dont know why people like metal gear. the series is the more boring video game series in the world, to me. i think i rather play the trash, thats rachet and clank than this gameRahnyc4

Go watch the video review for MGS2, Greg almost looks ready to sacrifice himself to the Gods cause of this game, you probably haven´t played it.

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[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"]i dont know why people like metal gear. the series is the more boring video game series in the world, to me. i think i rather play the trash, thats rachet and clank than this gameEddie-Vedder

Go watch the video review for MGS2, Greg almost looks ready to sacrifice himself to the Gods cause of this game, you probably haven´t played it.

But he did later admitted that he got caught in the hype for MGS2, and said the game wasn't as good as he once thought.
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Quoted for truth, nothing more. At least MGS4 will clarify a lot of the metaphysical technobabble. Still MGS2 is a quality game.SemiMaster

Kojima's thesis of Memory wasn't metaphysical. It's a little hard to grasp at first, but when you really look at what the ending addresses, it starts to make you think.

I don't care what anyone says, the ending was genius and Solidus' 'Exon' speech prior to his death was epic.

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#45 norfair_dweller
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I could never get into the camera angle the MGS series had. It always bugged me.
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#47 solidgamer
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no thats your opinion

IMO ZELDA OOT is

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#48 Danm_999
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Didn't care for it as much as 1 or 3.

Gameplay was good (as always), but some of the dialogue was a little corny for my tastes.

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#49 REVOLUTIONfreak
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Meh, I don't agree. I honestly hate the series, I tried playing it before, and I think the camera is horrible and the gameplay is overcomplicated. I'll stick to OoT being the greatest game of all time, it made a much bigger and better impact and still holds up quite well after nearly a decade.
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#50 MGS9150
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Not according to this site. Seems Tony Hawk 3 beat it out with a perfect score ;)musicalmac

Tony Hawk 3 was a perfect skate simulator, you cant compare its 10 or lets say Geows 9.6 or Killzones 6.9. Geow may PWN tony hawks 3, but tony hawks still got a better score because it was a better game for its genre. Thats why they changed the rating system, so people wouldn't try to compare apples to oranges.