MGS4 characters are made out of max 5000-10000 polygons even Snake and Otacon!

[QUOTE="IgorVitaly"][QUOTE="Haku_Ryushi"][QUOTE="kentaro22"][QUOTE="Mongo-Boss"]

That 10 must really hurt :lol:

Characters look great in MGS4. Why should I care if they have less polygons?

I'd like to see Fable 2 get a 10 to see how long Cows damage control.

Haku_Ryushi

That would be epic. I want to see it happen. But I don't think it will sadly. 8.5 at most.

So then it will look worse according to "the score set by random sites and reviewers is the guidance for my soul" fans?

By the time I figure out what your post meant, it wont matter anymore.

Wat???

Still serious?

Still trying to talk the topic into something else, tryin to hide the fact under the carpet?

@@ :)

[QUOTE="Haku_Ryushi"][QUOTE="mingo123"]

MGS4 had good character models and you tell me those character models have lower polygons then gears? :lol: like I said MGS4 is extremely overrated graphically

mingo123

Why haven't you been banned yet? All you do is troll. I took a look at your posting history BTW.

how am I trolling? im just giving my opinion, just cause i said mgs4 is extremely overrated graphically means im trolling?

I didnt expect the cows to howl so loud, its almost heart breaking. :rofl:

[QUOTE="Haku_Ryushi"][QUOTE="IgorVitaly"]

So then it will look worse according to "the score set by random sites and reviewers is the guidance for my soul" fans?

IgorVitaly

By the time I figure out what your post meant, it wont matter anymore.

Wat???

Still serious?

Still trying to talk the topic into something else, tryin to hide the fact under the carpet?

@@ :)

lol i guess you didnt get it. I was saying I didn't understand you're post and I thought you were actually going to rephrase it. Instead I got attacked by a raging wolf. Calm down.

I find that whole article very interesting.Mordred19

Its a very good article on how they made the game.

Polygons! Yay! Do they make a game? Do they even make graphics? I dought it.plod2

lol? Of course polygons = models,without models how can you play game? text based mud's lol :lol: (not saying that text based games are bad)

But you dont need ridiculous high amount of polys to make game enjoyable,i think consolities should realy stop worying about graphics (kudos to nintendo for that) and start playing games

Leave graphics to PC

As a fan of both games I have to say even with the so called "lower" polygon level in MGS4 than Gears, Snake has a better character model detail and textures than Marcus. The face and the hair looks better too. MY OPINION. I'm probably gonna get flamed anyway...Haku_Ryushi

That's ok and your Opionion but it doesn't change the FACT that it is not on the same technical level graphics wise as Gears ;)

Funny thing because I was laughing at your first post and decided to post saying "2 months and your still mad". I wanted to see how you would react. Well, looks like I saw a volcano erupt. I wasn't even serious. You ACTUALLY took all my posts seriously. :lol: :lol:

Haku_Ryushi

Rear shift and hitting the turbo button? You might blow the engine block, keep it cool! ;)

have you read the article?

Shows how they managed to makes some interesting and impressive things with limited hardware. you are to serious focusing on the torn in your eye. Read it, great article and learn something in the same time buddy! :)

[QUOTE="Haku_Ryushi"][QUOTE="mingo123"]

MGS4 had good character models and you tell me those character models have lower polygons then gears? :lol: like I said MGS4 is extremely overrated graphically

mingo123

Why haven't you been banned yet? All you do is troll. I took a look at your posting history BTW.

how am I trolling? im just giving my opinion, just cause i said mgs4 is extremely overrated graphically means im trolling?

because if you don't agree your a troll ..right :roll:

[QUOTE="Haku_Ryushi"]As a fan of both games I have to say even with the so called "lower" polygon level in MGS4 than Gears, Snake has a better character model detail and textures than Marcus. The face and the hair looks better too. MY OPINION. I'm probably gonna get flamed anyway...Erik_Lensherr

That's ok and your Opionion but it doesn't change the FACT that it is not on the same technical level graphics wise as Gears ;)

Guess not...you win. Feeling better?

[QUOTE="Haku_Ryushi"]

Funny thing because I was laughing at your first post and decided to post saying "2 months and your still mad". I wanted to see how you would react. Well, looks like I saw a volcano erupt. I wasn't even serious. You ACTUALLY took all my posts seriously. :lol: :lol:

IgorVitaly

Rear shift and hitting the turbo button? ;)

have you read the article?

Shows how they managed to makes some interesting and impressive things with limited hardware. you are to serious focusing on the torn in your eye. Read it, great article and learn something in the same time buddy! :)

I read it later then. Can't right now.

[QUOTE="IgorVitaly"][QUOTE="Haku_Ryushi"]

Funny thing because I was laughing at your first post and decided to post saying "2 months and your still mad". I wanted to see how you would react. Well, looks like I saw a volcano erupt. I wasn't even serious. You ACTUALLY took all my posts seriously. :lol: :lol:

Haku_Ryushi

Rear shift and hitting the turbo button? ;)

have you read the article?

Shows how they managed to makes some interesting and impressive things with limited hardware. you are to serious focusing on the torn in your eye. Read it, great article and learn something in the same time buddy! :)

I read it later then. Can't right now.

Great, take notice of the impressive proccess they went through to create the lighting. :)

[QUOTE="Haku_Ryushi"]As a fan of both games I have to say even with the so called "lower" polygon level in MGS4 than Gears, Snake has a better character model detail and textures than Marcus. The face and the hair looks better too. MY OPINION. I'm probably gonna get flamed anyway...Erik_Lensherr

That's ok and your Opionion but it doesn't change the FACT that it is not on the same technical level graphics wise as Gears ;)

[QUOTE="Haku_Ryushi"]As a fan of both games I have to say even with the so called "lower" polygon level in MGS4 than Gears, Snake has a better character model detail and textures than Marcus. The face and the hair looks better too. MY OPINION. I'm probably gonna get flamed anyway...Erik_Lensherr

That's ok and your Opionion but it doesn't change the FACT that it is not on the same technical level graphics wise as Gears ;)

just for refrence, can you provide me with lets say 3 links to sony fans touting that mgs4 uses lots of POLYGONS for there characters? because since ive been here i havent see anyone say anything about polygons....besides you tc and like one other person in a completely unrelated thread that wasnt bashing mgs4linkin_guy109

www.google.com to your rescue, do the work yourself aint no maids in here with silver plates!

Great, take notice of the impressive proccess they went through to create the lighting. :)

IgorVitaly

Ok. One thing I noticed though. Your really into technical specs and technology. I'm not. I like to play games and not bash them.

[QUOTE="linkin_guy109"]just for refrence, can you provide me with lets say 3 links to sony fans touting that mgs4 uses lots of POLYGONS for there characters? because since ive been here i havent see anyone say anything about polygons....besides you tc and like one other person in a completely unrelated thread that wasnt bashing mgs4IgorVitaly

www.google.com to your rescue, do the work yourself aint no maids in here with silver plates!

You made the claim; you have to provide evidence.

Get to googlin' buddy.

[QUOTE="IgorVitaly"]

Its all in here straight from Kojima and team themselfs, end. Lower amount of polygons than Gears 1 (8000-15000)!

http://www.softimage.com/products/xsi/customer_stories/metal_gear_4/default.aspx

"Most of the characters that are animated on the console, including the main character, Snake, have been restricted to a data size (including the face model) of about 5,000 to 10,000 polygons. Further, characters are used that have the same polygon resolution in both the game action and the event demos."

Haku_Ryushi

2 and a half months after the game released and your still mad?

It's probably just frustration due to all the claims over the past 2 and half months from people claiming that MGS4 is the console graphics king. I think it's rediculous too that people think MGS4 is the console graphics king, especially when I know there are other games on the PS3 that look better.

MGS4 looks amazing, but it's not the console graphics king (and neither is Killzone 2).

And yet it scored a 10.JLF1

If the next Wii games scores 10 in graphics.. does it mean the nukes will fly accross the sky? lol! ;)

[QUOTE="Erik_Lensherr"]

[QUOTE="Haku_Ryushi"]As a fan of both games I have to say even with the so called "lower" polygon level in MGS4 than Gears, Snake has a better character model detail and textures than Marcus. The face and the hair looks better too. MY OPINION. I'm probably gonna get flamed anyway...Teufelhuhn

That's ok and your Opionion but it doesn't change the FACT that it is not on the same technical level graphics wise as Gears ;)

Yes if it pleases you is all that really matters, but to say it's graphics king like some cows do is just an opinion not fact as there are many games out on consoles now that are technically more advanced in the graphics department :)

[QUOTE="IgorVitaly"]

[QUOTE="linkin_guy109"]just for refrence, can you provide me with lets say 3 links to sony fans touting that mgs4 uses lots of POLYGONS for there characters? because since ive been here i havent see anyone say anything about polygons....besides you tc and like one other person in a completely unrelated thread that wasnt bashing mgs4Kickinurass

www.google.com to your rescue, do the work yourself aint no maids in here with silver plates!

You made the claim; you have to provide evidence.

Get to googlin' buddy.

Sry i am lazy, i pass the torch to you goodspeed!

[QUOTE="Erik_Lensherr"]

[QUOTE="Haku_Ryushi"]As a fan of both games I have to say even with the so called "lower" polygon level in MGS4 than Gears, Snake has a better character model detail and textures than Marcus. The face and the hair looks better too. MY OPINION. I'm probably gonna get flamed anyway...kentaro22

That's ok and your Opionion but it doesn't change the FACT that it is not on the same technical level graphics wise as Gears ;)

I think thats basically the whole point in this thread. Say that polygon count is the only thing that matters in graphics and then bash the game.

[QUOTE="JLF1"]And yet it scored a 10.IgorVitaly

If the next Wii games scores 10 in graphics.. does it mean the nukes will fly accross the sky? lol! ;)

[QUOTE="JLF1"]And yet it scored a 10.IgorVitaly

If the next Wii games scores 10 in graphics.. does it mean the nukes will fly accross the sky? lol! ;)

I don't need any technical mumbo jumbo to know that MGS4 isn't the best looking console game. It's not even the best looking game on PS3.

[QUOTE="IgorVitaly"]

[QUOTE="JLF1"]And yet it scored a 10.JLF1

If the next Wii games scores 10 in graphics.. does it mean the nukes will fly accross the sky? lol! ;)

[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="IgorVitaly"]

[QUOTE="JLF1"]And yet it scored a 10.IgorVitaly

If the next Wii games scores 10 in graphics.. does it mean the nukes will fly accross the sky? lol! ;)

LOL!!!!! I have to admit IgorVitaly takes the cake in that one :lol:

But i must admit that i admire people who make awesome stuff from limited hardware. Sometimes i think that its easier to develop great looking games for PC because they have "unlimited" resources

But games like Shadow of Colosus looks PHENOMENAL yet they are on really old hardware (playstation 2)

Damn 10,000 polys to create some of the most intricate models this gen

Goddam kojima that took some serious skill to do that and to make it so beautifull

Oh and Walls in gears were one poly if you wanted to know

Okay, since it seems like you guys need some convincing, I will prove it to you.

This is a wall from Gears of War. It appears to be very complex, and have layers of depth. I have taken a screenshot from three different angles.

This is the wireframe of that wall. It appears much more complex than it actually is, due to the use of complex shaders and normal mapping. In reality, it is an optical illusion, making a technically inferior image look superior.

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Here is a brick wall from Gears of War. Once again, the images are taken from 3 different angles.

How many polygons would you say it was? Let's turn on the wireframe and see.

Bet you weren't expecting that. Flat surfaces are generally only one polygon in Unreal Engine 3.

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Remember this guy from Gears of War? How many polygons would you say he was composed of?

Only around 8500 polygons.

The demonstration is over...

AmyMizuno

Gears has a higher resolution but MGS4 runs a lot smoother with very little in the way of "textures" popping up. I hate load-screens in the middle of battle and MGS4 doesn't have them. MGS4>Gears! /thread!!!gdp72

MGS4 runs below 30FPS, and has several installs that can last up to 5 minutes.

[QUOTE="gdp72"]Gears has a higher resolution but MGS4 runs a lot smoother with very little in the way of "textures" popping up. I hate load-screens in the middle of battle and MGS4 doesn't have them. MGS4>Gears! /thread!!!opex07

MGS4 runs below 30FPS, and has several installs that can last up to 5 minutes.

It runs at above 30 FPS and several installs that last up to 3 mins.

/correction

what happened to snake's mustache hyped polygon count?Mystery_Writer

Looks good to me. But thats just me.

what happened to snake's mustache polygon count?Mystery_Writer

[QUOTE="Mystery_Writer"]what happened to snake's mustache polygon count?Teufelhuhn

Its because sony lied to them. The PS3 was orginally supposed to have a 1GB RAM at the time they gave them the dev kit but then Sony turned into idiots and instead went with the 2X 256MB RAM at the last minute and Kojima production recieved a different dev kit later.

[QUOTE="Haku_Ryushi"][QUOTE="opex07"]

[QUOTE="gdp72"]Gears has a higher resolution but MGS4 runs a lot smoother with very little in the way of "textures" popping up. I hate load-screens in the middle of battle and MGS4 doesn't have them. MGS4>Gears! /thread!!!opex07

MGS4 runs below 30FPS, and has several installs that can last up to 5 minutes.

It runs at above 30 FPS and several installs that last up to 3 mins.

/correction

link

Weird. seemed higher to me.. But the installs were still 3 to 2 minutes long.

[QUOTE="Haku_Ryushi"][QUOTE="opex07"]

[QUOTE="gdp72"]Gears has a higher resolution but MGS4 runs a lot smoother with very little in the way of "textures" popping up. I hate load-screens in the middle of battle and MGS4 doesn't have them. MGS4>Gears! /thread!!!opex07

MGS4 runs below 30FPS, and has several installs that can last up to 5 minutes.

It runs at above 30 FPS and several installs that last up to 3 mins.

/correction

link

edit: install times can last up to 8 mins

[QUOTE="opex07"][QUOTE="Haku_Ryushi"][QUOTE="opex07"]

[QUOTE="gdp72"]Gears has a higher resolution but MGS4 runs a lot smoother with very little in the way of "textures" popping up. I hate load-screens in the middle of battle and MGS4 doesn't have them. MGS4>Gears! /thread!!!opex07

MGS4 runs below 30FPS, and has several installs that can last up to 5 minutes.

It runs at above 30 FPS and several installs that last up to 3 mins.

/correction

link

edit: install times can last up to 8 mins

That was only to start up the game. Which is no surprise. The beginning installs don't count.

That was only to start up the game. Which is no surprise. The beginning installs don't count.

Haku_Ryushi

Is the begining install not an install?