MGS4 characters are made out of max 5000-10000 polygons even Snake and Otacon!

[QUOTE="Haku_Ryushi"]

That was only to start up the game. Which is no surprise. The beginning installs don't count.

opex07

Is the begining install not an install?

It doesn't count because its not in between gameplay. I could go to the bathroom and do my business and make a sandwich and go surf the internet while the game is starting up. Whats the big deal? Its just you trying to bash the game is all.

:roll:And yet MGS4 character's still look better.anime_gamer007

Theres no way you can argue that, other than preference, its a fact that Gears of war characters are more detailed if in fact they consist of more polygons.

[QUOTE="anime_gamer007"]:roll:And yet MGS4 character's still look better.opex07

Theres no way you can argue that, other than preference, its a fact that Gears of war characters are more detailed if in fact they consist of more polygons.

Both of your opinions are subjective :|

It doesn't count because its not in between gameplay. I could go to the bathroom and do my business and make a sandwich and go surf the internet while the game is starting up. Whats the big deal? Its just you trying to bash the game is all.

Haku_Ryushi

No its me specifically saying that installs can last up to 8 mins, its no different than the installs in between each act, you can leave or do what ever you want aswell, your still waiting though. (which is what the person I quoted complained about in gears).

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Mystery_Writer"]what happened to snake's mustache polygon count?Haku_Ryushi

Its because sony lied to them. The PS3 was orginally supposed to have a 1GB RAM at the time they gave them the dev kit but then Sony turned into idiots and instead went with the 2X 256MB RAM at the last minute and Kojima production recieved a different dev kit later.

[QUOTE="opex07"]

[QUOTE="anime_gamer007"]:roll:And yet MGS4 character's still look better.Haku_Ryushi

Theres no way you can argue that, other than preference, its a fact that Gears of war characters are more detailed if in fact they consist of more polygons.

Both of your opinions are subjective :|

Polygons directly represent the detail in each model (Gears of war even uses higher res textures),I would say that's more of a fact than an opinion.

I remember polygon counts for a few other games and fanboys trying to make a big deal of them. Do we really care if at the the end of the day the finished product looks good? Does it really matter what resolution the game is if it looks great and runs smoothly?

I smile at all the times when consolites call hermits graphic whores when I see threads like this.

lol@ lemmings bring up MGS4 threads, STILL!:lol: gdp72

he's not a lemming he is a hermit.

This only shows how talented Kojima Production is, making such gorgeous characters with a relative low number of polygons.

Let's not forget that there are realtime rendered scenes that involve over a dozen characters on screen at once, plus scenery and post processing effects and dust and particle effects. I don't think it would have been possible with 50k polys characters. Maybe on a ultra high end PC, and i doubt even that.

So know we have to include polygon numbers for graphics king :?.

Imagine Polygon wars One guy says "gears has 100,000 polygons on each model"

the other guy says "NO UNCHARTED wins because it has 100,002 polygons on each model"

Fanboy logic worries me now :(

and yet here i was thinking to myself "gee, MGS4 really does look amazing, maybe even the best looking game on consoles." but now that ive seen the light and that the characters were made with less polygons than gears i feel like an idiot. darn, what was i thinking?

im going to go and return my limited edition copy now. thanks for the heads up

so this confirms everything that devs have been saying all along. the ps3 is not more powerful than the 360 and the cell is overrated.mephisto_11

you're right. the fact that MGS4 was made a couple thousand polygons less than gears is laughable at this point. really, whoever bought into all that graphic hype is a fanboy. dont you guys get it? when i play my games i spend my time counting the polys on snakes face. dont you?

Wow, counting polys thats geting desperate,

I don't see why its so important to prove that 1 game or console has better graphics, both games look amazing whats the problem.

Awesome looking models in awesomely low polycount (for the quality).

That's actually... good?

It means making more from less, which is what people should aim for, rather than "lets poly the crap out of everything" - crysis.

its the same principle that makes XP>Vista. Consumes less resources, gives better result.

But MGS still looked better? That shows alot about the skill put into making both games.unholymight

Why do people care about polygon count ?

seriously?

Judging games are turning into such technical thing now in days

Judging games now in days -

textures, lighting , animations, pixel count, frame rate, resolution etc ... jeez

the game looks and plays great, what else is there to do ?

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="tccavey2"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]God, this is really getting annoying and out of hand...3picuri3

SW is series business. Can't handle the heat?

The whole first page of SW is graphics thread....come on!!!!

I agree, it's really getting pathetic. People pretend one game looks like trash and another game is a graphical masterpiece when in reality, they're pretty equal.

welcome to the most shallow generation of gaming, brought to you by spoiled kids with rich parents that don't care about gameplay and just want things that are visually stunning and amazing. the ones that say 'omg, it does not suck, graffix are awesome!'. the market is driven by these people - by people that put form over substance. we've been lucky this gen and had a few games where the gameplay nearly matches the presentation - but more often than not they're just shallow pretty things (Uncharted, i'm looking at you) that only last the length of an epic film, or two short films.

i'll take the gameplay over visuals any day. i only point out MGS4 low resolution to point out the hypocrisy of others. i personally don't enjoy the game because i can't stand the story, and don't enjoy the gameplay at all.

I loved uncharted's gameplay, it really grew on me. I didnt care for it at first either. It felt different but once I got used to, its one of my favorite games this gen.

The following pics are IN-GAME, and not cutscenes!



















AgentH

Dude that doesn't look great AT ALL :|

MGS4 is the most overrated game this gen.

The following pics are IN-GAME, and not cutscenes!



















AgentH

I dont really care about the polygons

It looks amazing, and plays amazing.

Mind you i havent played much of it, but still, polygons wont change my opinion on the game

What's important is the textures.. Leon on the Gamecube had 10,000 poly's as well.Devil-Itachi

/thread

Its all in here straight from Kojima and team themselfs, end. Lower amount of polygons than Gears 1 (8000-15000)!

http://www.softimage.com/products/xsi/customer_stories/metal_gear_4/default.aspx

"Most of the characters that are animated on the console, including the main character, Snake, have been restricted to a data size (including the face model) of about 5,000 to 10,000 polygons. Further, characters are used that have the same polygon resolution in both the game action and the event demos."

IgorVitaly

My sig says it all.

Polygons! Yay! Do they make a game? Do they even make graphics? I dought it.plod2

I'm pretty late on this but i mean come on. Do polygons make a game..... Sit there and think about that.. Go on I'll wait.

YES they do!!! No polygons and you would not have a game sir. You dought it haha glad your not making my games.

Its all in here straight from Kojima and team themselfs, end. Lower amount of polygons than Gears 1 (8000-15000)!

http://www.softimage.com/products/xsi/customer_stories/metal_gear_4/default.aspx

"Most of the characters that are animated on the console, including the main character, Snake, have been restricted to a data size (including the face model) of about 5,000 to 10,000 polygons. Further, characters are used that have the same polygon resolution in both the game action and the event demos."

IgorVitaly

and i care how? MGS4 looks great and plays great. wow, hermits nowadays.

i always thought MGS4's graphcis were pretty lameaudioaxes

They're not bad, but according to the developers they're obviously inferior to Gears 2.

[QUOTE="tccavey2"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]God, this is really getting annoying and out of hand...Chutebox

SW is series business. Can't handle the heat?

The whole first page of SW is graphics thread....come on!!!!

yeah .... so many graphics threads, its really getting annoying

Pfft. Even though it looks worse on the paper, then it easily holds up against pretty much, every other game, in terms of what it looks like.

I don't care what's in my icecream.. As long as it tastes good.

Its all in here straight from Kojima and team themselfs, end. Lower amount of polygons than Gears 1 (8000-15000)!

http://www.softimage.com/products/xsi/customer_stories/metal_gear_4/default.aspx

"Most of the characters that are animated on the console, including the main character, Snake, have been restricted to a data size (including the face model) of about 5,000 to 10,000 polygons. Further, characters are used that have the same polygon resolution in both the game action and the event demos."

IgorVitaly

Okay so they used less polygons AND made the game look better... meaning that Konami has more skilled programmers than Epic Games? So... Conrats?... I guess? Not sure what point you were making there...

anyone that thinks MGS4 is the graphics king is just a hardcore MGS fan, or a PS3 fan wanting to justify purchase.

it is OFFICIAL that the game was rendered in sub-HD resolutions and upscaled, many many many tricks were implemented to make the game appear to have next gen visuals when in truth the resolution and poly counts are closer to last gen PC titles due to some bottlenecks in the PS3.

this has been covered to death in AVS forums and places where people count pixels. funny the double standard cows love to apply - hyping the 1080p to death, bashing games that are sub-1080p on 360, then hyping MGS4 as the visual king when it is just glorified 665p (but not authentic as it cheats on some V pixels)

3picuri3

God, I just don't get some people. It doesn't matter how they do it, the fact is MGS4 looks better. If it's so easy to use these little tricks, why don't more games use them?

This game was the most awesome looking game I have played full stop.

So if it has a low polygon count and looks that good, i'll take that.

Seriously comparing polygon counts, are you really that much of a fanboy that the amount of polygons (simply an number) actually matter?

The proof is on the screen and I like what I see, you eyes must have been burnt out by the RROD.