MGS4 won't have voice over tracks for other languages due to.....DISK SPACE!

US/Europe Metal Gear Solid 4 Won't Have Japanese Track

They are using a 50GB Blu-ray disc and they are having disc space issues! :o

Ryan Payton:

"Unfortunately because of disc space, we don't have the space to include other languages, other voice over files for the respective versions. So the Japanese version's not gonna have English VO, and the North American and European versions won't have Japanese VO."

Wow, that's interesting...

Guess that kills any hope of MGS IV for 360...

Wow, that's interesting...

Guess that kills any hope of MGS IV for 360...

yoshi_64

I thought that was killed a long time ago.

Wow, that's interesting...

Guess that kills any hope of MGS IV for 360...

yoshi_64

Well there's always 6 DVDs. Probably can cut out MSO to take away a disc lol.

Wow, that's interesting...

Guess that kills any hope of MGS IV for 360...

yoshi_64

Hopefully people finally realize this now that MGS IV is a pack in. Sony obviously had to pony up some cash to make this happen.

Well, they ARE using lossless audio. I did a few calculations using the specs for Dolby TrueHD (24 bits per sample @ 96000Hz, or about 2Mbps per channel). To compare, CDs record at 16 bits per sample @ 44100Hz, or about 680kbps per channel.

Assuming that they record the audio in two channels (mono + bass; no need to record in surround because the sound card mixes the mono automatically into surround), then that translates to about 1.93 GB per hour of audio. Even if we're conservative and count only the vocal tracks, which can presumably lower the size of the audio to 1/4, that still means that the game uses about 500MB per hour of dialogue. How many hours of dialogue is in MGS4? 10? 20?

Let's say 20, counting all the background chatter from NPCs in addition to cutscenes. That means MGS4 would use about 10GB of space for every language. And that's just for language, not counting the music and sound effects.

I'm probably completely wrong in my estimates, but given all the hoopla Kojima made about using lossless audio, I can see them using up a ton of space just on audio.

The hell? Even with tons of full motion video I can't comprehend how they could possibly run out of space.

Kojima is a film nut, however this is just excessive. Theres no way visual assets would take up that much space so i'd agree with the others and say he's just filling the disk with lossless audio simply because he can. I get the impression that this game is going to have even longer dialouge and cutscenes than MSG2.

The hell? Even with tons of full motion video I can't comprehend how they could possibly run out of space.

Velocitas8

The MGS series has never used fmv.

MGS4 may use some fmv, but very little. From what we know, there may be some in the opening movie. Beyond that, I highly doubt there will be much, if any--in keeping with the series' tradition. Most of the cutscenes will be real-time.

The hell? Even with tons of full motion video I can't comprehend how they could possibly run out of space.

Velocitas8

You've never seen just how bloody big audio files can get. Especially if there are hours upon hours upon hours of audio, dialogue, and music.

The hell? Even with tons of full motion video I can't comprehend how they could possibly run out of space.

Velocitas8

Not compressing anything I'm guessing.

Too bad, it seemed like such a cool feature. Not that shocking since they been mentioning issues with disc space for a while. It's likely to be the lossless audio taking the space as some said and even so that's great since the series is known for it's amazing audio and MGS 4 is keeping it just like that.tegovoltio

I can't wait for the lossless audio. I have to upgrade my receiver now, but it'll be worth it.

A typical playthrough through a MGS title would take anywhere between 10-20 hours, depending on the proficiency and familiarity of the player with the series.

However, I strongly doubt this final MGS title would get 20 hours of audio tracks, let alone cutscenes. If anything, the reason to filling up the storage space of a Blue-Ray disc@50GB is due in part to Kojima's insistence on using Surround Sound in Lossless Format (which is HUGE).

I knew DVD was more than enough! If Gears of War can fit on DVD, then any game can, including Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon... oh wait :|

Wow, that's interesting...

Guess that kills any hope of MGS IV for 360...

yoshi_64

Ps3's games has Uncompressed Audios & Repeated Textures in the current disc. So the game that takes 7GB for Xbox360 , taking 17Gbs on Ps3. If MGS4 is 50GB on Ps3. It should take less than half of it on Xbox360 dvds. (20-22GB= 3 Discs Max)

Thats pretty strange I have to say, especially since the series has never used FMV's which are usually one of the main hogs of disc space. I just cant think of anything he could add to the game that would make it take that much space; not even the story's music, voice and sound effects. Even it being uncompressed it doesnt make any sense.justforlotr2004

If they used FMVs, that wouldn't leave ANY space for gameplay. But HD (lossless) audio alone can take up dozens of gigs.

I knew DVD was more than enough! If Gears of War can fit on DVD, then any game can, including Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon... oh wait :|

PandaBear86

Lost Odyssey has like 5 different languages on it that you can choose from, that's a lot of duplicate audio just for different regions.

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"]

Wow, that's interesting...

Guess that kills any hope of MGS IV for 360...

007ybse04

Ps3's games has Uncompressed Audios & Repeated Textures in the current disc. So the game that takes 7GB for Xbox360 , taking 17Gbs on Ps3. If MGS4 is 50GB on Ps3. It should take less than half of it on Xbox360 dvds. (20-22GB= 3 Discs Max)

Time for a Quadruple layer Blu Ray, huh? :Pwhocares4peace

Well, they are out there lol. Just not in mainstream hands.

[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"]Thats pretty strange I have to say, especially since the series has never used FMV's which are usually one of the main hogs of disc space. I just cant think of anything he could add to the game that would make it take that much space; not even the story's music, voice and sound effects. Even it being uncompressed it doesnt make any sense.mjarantilla

If they used FMVs, that wouldn't leave ANY space for gameplay. But HD (lossless) audio alone can take up dozens of gigs.

Doesnt make much sense though at all. For example Im playing Lost Odyessy right now which has FMV's, 30+ hours long, 5-6 different languages (cant remember how many exactly), and lots of sound effects and textures to fill in the enviroment. That takes up 4 discs which equals to about 28gigs of usuable space, but yet Kojima can barely fit his game on a 50gig disc without FMV's, without 5-6 different languages and probably isnt any longer than lost odyessy. It just doesnt add up to me, but either way I could care less as long as the game is good.

Does anyone know if MGS4 will require an installation?Can-o-Mark

So would I be realistic if I assume that MGS4 will be jam packed full of cutscene and far to many long speeches, because the drawn out speeches are the only thing I think really lets the series down.csliney

The first speech lasts 2 hours, so make sure to get some popcorn.

I enjoy the speeches for the most part, but it does make the game pretty hard to sit down and play for a few mins before work or whatever. You definatly need time to play the game to actually play it.

[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

The hell? Even with tons of full motion video I can't comprehend how they could possibly run out of space.

fuzzysquash

The MGS series has never used fmv.

MGS4 may use some fmv, but very little. From what we know, there may be some in the opening movie. Beyond that, I highly doubt there will be much, if any--in keeping with the series' tradition. Most of the cutscenes will be real-time.

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"]

I knew DVD was more than enough! If Gears of War can fit on DVD, then any game can, including Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon... oh wait :|

justforlotr2004

Lost Odyssey has like 5 different languages on it that you can choose from, that's a lot of duplicate audio just for different regions.

Not to mention the CGI/FMV...

How many MGS4 players will actually be able to benefit from it offering TrueHD sound?

How many MGS4 players will actually be able to benefit from it offering TrueHD sound?

Lothenon

I will!

It's really not too expensive to get a receiver capable. Onkyo 605 which actually decodes TrueHD and DTS-HD MA is 400 bucks at amazon, and it's actually a pretty good receiver.

400 bucks, right. Gets us to another question: How many gamers are there who spend 400,- on their sound system? How many of those are PS3 owners? And how many of those are going to buy MGS4?

It's a very small, 1-digit percentage.

400 bucks, right. Gets us to another question: How many gamers are there who spend 400,- on their sound system? How many of those are PS3 owners? And how many of those are going to buy MGS4?

It's a very small, 1-digit percentage.

Lothenon

Don't know, but I'm not going to assume...

I mean, I would like to hear the difference.

I have a 200,- surround system, offering me DD5.1 for my X360 and dts for home cinema. I'd rather have multiple voice tracks than TrueHD surround, and I assume most mgs-players would. I cannot quite understand kojimas reasoning.

[QUOTE="007ybse04"][QUOTE="yoshi_64"]

Wow, that's interesting...

Guess that kills any hope of MGS IV for 360...

mjarantilla

Ps3's games has Uncompressed Audios & Repeated Textures in the current disc. So the game that takes 7GB for Xbox360 , taking 17Gbs on Ps3. If MGS4 is 50GB on Ps3. It should take less than half of it on Xbox360 dvds. (20-22GB= 3 Discs Max)

Anyway, I thought MGS did employ FMV clips because there are scenes too complex to be rendered realtime on the console, just as Gears has the occasional clip. It's just Kojima's MO to use the same models for the prerendered clips that he uses for the realtime portions.

Furthermore, I doubt a game would use such high-bandwidth audio throughout the game. There are bandwidth considerations to be made, since the PS3's BD drive can only transfer so much at a time. Any higher and you would need to perform a hard drive installation.

They are still using the 25GB disc, no conformation was made that Kojima was granted the use of the 50GB disc by Sony as they are only allowed to use the 25gb ones...

However, that kind of sucks, i would of liked to have played it with english subs with *** voice work.

They are still using the 25GB disc, no conformation was made that Kojima was granted the use of the 50GB disc by Sony as they are only allowed to use the 25gb ones...

However, that kind of sucks, i would of liked to have played it with english subs with *** voice work.

toxicmog

I mean, I would like to hear the difference.

I have a 200,- surround system, offering me DD5.1 for my X360 and dts for home cinema. I'd rather have multiple voice tracks than TrueHD surround, and I assume most mgs-players would. I cannot quite understand kojimas reasoning.

Lothenon

To each his own I guess, I'd much rather have the lossless audio. I can tell you though there is a big difference when you upgrade your system. But, it'll be more than 400 bucks because you'll need some good speakers too.

[QUOTE="toxicmog"]

They are still using the 25GB disc, no conformation was made that Kojima was granted the use of the 50GB disc by Sony as they are only allowed to use the 25gb ones...

However, that kind of sucks, i would of liked to have played it with english subs with *** voice work.

HuusAsking

MGS extened edition? Lord of the rings style me thinks

They are still using the 25GB disc, no conformation was made that Kojima was granted the use of the 50GB disc by Sony as they are only allowed to use the 25gb ones...

However, that kind of sucks, i would of liked to have played it with english subs with *** voice work.

toxicmog

How sure are you of that? I could have sworn that there was an article way back saying MGS4 is on the 50.

[QUOTE="toxicmog"]

They are still using the 25GB disc, no conformation was made that Kojima was granted the use of the 50GB disc by Sony as they are only allowed to use the 25gb ones...

However, that kind of sucks, i would of liked to have played it with english subs with *** voice work.

Chutebox

How sure are you of that? I could have sworn that there was an article way back saying MGS4 is on the 50.

Twas rumoured :P never confirmed.... If you think about it a 50GB could hold more than one language ;)

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="toxicmog"]

They are still using the 25GB disc, no conformation was made that Kojima was granted the use of the 50GB disc by Sony as they are only allowed to use the 25gb ones...

However, that kind of sucks, i would of liked to have played it with english subs with *** voice work.

toxicmog

How sure are you of that? I could have sworn that there was an article way back saying MGS4 is on the 50.

Twas rumoured :P never confirmed.... If you think about it a 50GB could hold more than one language ;)

You know if MGO is on the same disc or a seperate one?

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="toxicmog"]

They are still using the 25GB disc, no conformation was made that Kojima was granted the use of the 50GB disc by Sony as they are only allowed to use the 25gb ones...

However, that kind of sucks, i would of liked to have played it with english subs with *** voice work.

toxicmog

MGS extened edition? Lord of the rings style me thinks

Not surprised, none of the other MGS I played had different VO, and I'm used to the English ones.

Hopefully they will at least put subs.

400 bucks, right. Gets us to another question: How many gamers are there who spend 400,- on their sound system? How many of those are PS3 owners? And how many of those are going to buy MGS4?

It's a very small, 1-digit percentage.

Lothenon

[QUOTE="toxicmog"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="toxicmog"]

They are still using the 25GB disc, no conformation was made that Kojima was granted the use of the 50GB disc by Sony as they are only allowed to use the 25gb ones...

However, that kind of sucks, i would of liked to have played it with english subs with *** voice work.

HuusAsking

MGS extened edition? Lord of the rings style me thinks