MGS4's Plot is Melodramatic Garbage.

and for those of you complaining about the quality of the gameplay, or the lack thereof, don't forget that MGS is the first game to realize that the presence of gameplay is the sole deterrent that kept games from becoming high art, so Kojima is a genius for trying to get rid of it. Now most games are slowly catching up in realizing that gamers want to watch games with oscar-quality storyline and presentation, not to exert energy by playing them. Go and try to play some of the older games. It's painful how much hard work is required to progress. We already worked hard enough in our jobs or studies. We don't want to work more during our free time. runbleduck

and for those of you complaining about the quality of the gameplay, or the lack thereof, don't forget that MGS is the first game to realize that the presence of gameplay is the sole deterrent that kept games from becoming high art, so Kojima is a genius for trying to get rid of it. Now most games are slowly catching up in realizing that gamers want to watch games with oscar-quality storyline and presentation, not to exert energy by playing them. Go and try to play some of the older games. It's painful how much hard work is required to progress. We already worked hard enough in our jobs or studies. We don't want to work more during our free time. runbleduck

LOL, the sarcasm is so strong here and it's hilarious!

I agree that braid has a well done story[QUOTE="musalala"]

Everybody knows this except the most rabid MGS fans, the story is pretty crap, Kojima is the equivalent of Paul W.S. Anderson ( they guy that directs those awful B movies)

Banjo_Kongfooie

Noone ever said the story was astonishing in this topic... moreso that it is used as a vehicle to promote the discussion of important issues as well as portray some themes that may be rather common place in the literary world such as nature vs nurture but as absent from many games...

What games do you feel have amazing stories since you are making a point that MGS's story is crap..

Also I forgot to mention this earlier but criticising MGS's story for being over the top is like criticising FFIX's battle system as being too slow and traditional when that is somewhat of the point.

MGS in my view presents interesting characters but makes them act in over the top and cliche ways so that more focus is thrusted to the themes, issues, and motifs. The characters themselves really are not the point of them MGS games imo.

Thank you for proving my point about the blind loyalty of MGS fans, Exactly who are these interesting characters? The androgenoues ninja weilding blond Raiden who wears high heels or the undead vampire vamp or maybe Johhny Akiba the guy tha s***ts himself ohh wait I know its got to be drebin the guy that roams around with a monkey in a diaper. If you honestly beleive that metal gear solid has interesting characters then This arguement is pointless. The game actually be good if Kojima stuck to directing and left the story writting to proffesionals instead of boring us to tears with long winded nonsensical melodramatic plothole infested movie wanna be.

Deus ex has a good story

Baldurs Gate 2 has a better story

Planescape torment has an even better story

F**k even Mario has a better story

Kojima just tries too hard

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]

I agree that braid has a well done story[QUOTE="musalala"]

Everybody knows this except the most rabid MGS fans, the story is pretty crap, Kojima is the equivalent of Paul W.S. Anderson ( they guy that directs those awful B movies)

Noone ever said the story was astonishing in this topic... moreso that it is used as a vehicle to promote the discussion of important issues as well as portray some themes that may be rather common place in the literary world such as nature vs nurture but as absent from many games...

What games do you feel have amazing stories since you are making a point that MGS's story is crap..

Also I forgot to mention this earlier but criticising MGS's story for being over the top is like criticising FFIX's battle system as being too slow and traditional when that is somewhat of the point.

MGS in my view presents interesting characters but makes them act in over the top and cliche ways so that more focus is thrusted to the themes, issues, and motifs. The characters themselves really are not the point of them MGS games imo.

Thank you for proving my point about the blind loyalty of MGS fans, Exactly who are these interesting characters? The androgenoues ninja weilding blond Raiden who wears high heels or the undead vampire vamp or maybe Johhny Akiba the guy tha s***ts himself ohh wait I know its got to be drebin the guy that roams around with a monkey in a diaper. If you honestly beleive that metal gear solid has interesting characters then This arguement is pointless. The game actually be good if Kojima stuck to directing and left the story writting to proffesionals instead of boring us to tears with long winded nonsensical melodramatic plothole infested movie wanna be.

Deus ex has a good story

F**k even Mario has a better story

Kojima just tries too hard

You haters are in the minority. The majority of gamers and journalists agree that MGS series is the epitome of videogame acting and storytelling that not only serve as the sole credence to videogames being high art, but also that it's oscar worthy and is equivalent to Citizen Kane. It did not receieve numerous perfect scores and GOTY for nothing.

runbleduck

Please tell me you didnt just compare one of the greatest films ever made with Metal Gears solid are you insane????? and metal gear solid is HIGH ART???! OMG is there no end to this madness???:lol:

Androgenous cyborg ninjas are pretty interesting.

Thank you for proving my point about the blind loyalty of MGS fans, Exactly who are these interesting characters? The androgenoues ninja weilding blond Raiden who wears high heels or the undead vampire vamp or maybe Johhny Akiba the guy tha s***ts himself ohh wait I know its got to be drebin the guy that roams around with a monkey in a diaper. If you honestly beleive that metal gear solid has interesting characters then This arguement is pointless. The game actually be good if Kojima stuck to directing and left the story writting to proffesionals instead of boring us to tears with long winded nonsensical melodramatic plothole infested movie wanna be.

Deus ex has a good story

Baldurs Gate 2 has a better story

Planescape torment has an even better story

F**k even Mario has a better story

Kojima just tries too hard

musalala

Yes I would find characters with super human abilities to be interesting... That is just me though...

I am not saying the interesting characters make the game great though as plenty of games have interesting characters. Did you even bother reading my post?

Also those games do have good stories... But Mario...?

Hell I might even let you say Mario has a better story in the fact that it is simpler but did you miss the point where I pointed out that MGS's plot is melodramatic to bring important issues to fruitition?

I would like to see the complex modern issues that are portrayed in Baldur's Gate 2 and Mario?

So even if MGS's story was as terrible relative to other games as you claim it is... Than it still would not matter as the story and plot are merely a vehicle to present various problems we face in this world. MGS even breaks the fourth wall reminding people that it is just a game...

Do you honestly believe that Hideo Kojima gets praise for no reason and that MGS is just an attempt to be a hollywood film? Even if MGS was a shallow attempt at a hollywood blockbuster story... it would still have a better storyline than many games.

Again MGS has a good story for a game... There are plenty of games you have mentioned that blow its story out of the water... But the point of MGS is not fabulous story telling...

You haters are in the minority. The majority of gamers and journalists agree that MGS series is the epitome of videogame acting and storytelling that not only serve as the sole credence to videogames being high art, but also that it's oscar worthy and is equivalent to Citizen Kane. It did not receieve numerous perfect scores and GOTY for nothing.

runbleduck

[QUOTE="runbleduck"]

You haters are in the minority. The majority of gamers and journalists agree that MGS series is the epitome of videogame acting and storytelling that not only serve as the sole credence to videogames being high art, but also that it's oscar worthy and is equivalent to Citizen Kane. It did not receieve numerous perfect scores and GOTY for nothing.

dommeus

10/10 is the closest thing to videogame oscars as far as I can tell. I guess there's awards and stuff, but it seems pretty close.

[QUOTE="Sword-Demon"]

has mgs4 not been DC'd enough? seriously.. its been over 3 years. let's move on

Mozelleple112

[QUOTE="runbleduck"]

You haters are in the minority. The majority of gamers and journalists agree that MGS series is the epitome of videogame acting and storytelling that not only serve as the sole credence to videogames being high art, but also that it's oscar worthy and is equivalent to Citizen Kane. It did not receieve numerous perfect scores and GOTY for nothing.

percech

Storywise for me, MGS4 is the hardest to follow out of all the other games in the series

It's a convoluted, mecha filled, emo, and overdramatic exaggerated version of Splinter Cell.

It's the 'Twilight' of espionage games.

AdmiralBison

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="Sword-Demon"]

has mgs4 not been DC'd enough? seriously.. its been over 3 years. let's move on

dommeus

I dont care about story in videogames too much (its almost always utter crap anyway, the only single videogame with decent story this gen is Mass Effect 1) but I liked the cutscenes, because they were made exceptionally well, you could literally feel how old Snake is, how every move hurts him, how much he would like to have that cigarette, etc. The voice acting was also top notch (Snake, Otacon, the Eye See You guy whose name I cant remember).

[QUOTE="dommeus"][QUOTE="runbleduck"]

You haters are in the minority. The majority of gamers and journalists agree that MGS series is the epitome of videogame acting and storytelling that not only serve as the sole credence to videogames being high art, but also that it's oscar worthy and is equivalent to Citizen Kane. It did not receieve numerous perfect scores and GOTY for nothing.

bad_fur_day

10/10 is the closest thing to videogame oscars as far as I can tell. I guess there's awards and stuff, but it seems pretty close.

[QUOTE="dommeus"][QUOTE="Mozelleple112"] Refer to my signature. haters (r***rded people) can't acknowledge what is the greatest game of all time. Heck, I bet MGS4 is the most DC'd game of all time as well, judging by hate from these people. Except perhaps COD. But what do COD and MGS4 have in common? COD has the sales and constantly breaks sales record = mass hate MGS4 has the quality and constantly breaks the bar of how excellent a video game can be = mass hate. Don't ask a blind man to share his opinion on an oil painting..Mozelleple112

What exactly is the criteria u are using to say "its the closest thing to oacar-worthy of the gaming world?"

I dont care about story in videogames too much (its almost always utter crap anyway, the only single videogame with decent story this gen is Mass Effect 1) but I liked the cutscenes, because they were made exceptionally well, you could literally feel how old Snake is, how every move hurts him, how much he would like to have that cigarette, etc. The voice acting was also top notch (Snake, Otacon, the Eye See You guy whose name I cant remember).

BlbecekBobecek

[QUOTE="15strong"]

For me personally, the praise goes to the characters and world that Kojima has built. It truley is original and takes real world ideas and issues and explores them in a way most videogames don't. THe dialog is sometimes atrocious, but that is what makes it appealing in a way. The plot isn't perfect but the themes within the plot and they way the stroy moves along is whatreally makes the stroy special. That's my two cents.

TheGuardian03

Did I go back in time to the long lost year of 2008?

I enjoyed the story, I enjoyed the cutscenes, I enjoyed the dialogue. Come at me.

MGS4 isnt canon imo

and yeah its too cheesy and cliche at times, reminds me of a bad anime

Here starts MGS4 hate train again YAY!.*

Kashiwaba

I'm really begining to think the 10 that MGS4 received, is actually starting to drive some people crazy on here.

MGS4 isnt canon imo

and yeah its too cheesy and cliche at times, reminds me of a bad anime

HaloinventedFPS

but it is canon in every sense of the word, despite it being not to greatly written its still canon.

I enjoyed the story, I enjoyed the cutscenes, I enjoyed the dialogue. Come at me.

Swift_Boss_A

Wow@your sig

I'm guessing after an ass-kicking like that,that guy will no longer have a face.

[QUOTE="bad_fur_day"]

[QUOTE="dommeus"] Oscar worthy?! No mate. No... no way. What?dommeus

10/10 is the closest thing to videogame oscars as far as I can tell. I guess there's awards and stuff, but it seems pretty close.

Okay I admit defeat. According to the Academy of Videogame Arts and Sciences, MGS4 didn't win in 2008. Didn't even get a nomination...

Link: http://www.interactive.org/awards/2008_11th_awards.asp

And the oscar goes to... Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare!

Lol.

The MGS4 Hate is back reminds me of 08

The MGS4 Hate is back reminds me of 08

EPaul

lems hate they are the only ones without a 10 to their name :P

[QUOTE="EPaul"]

The MGS4 Hate is back reminds me of 08

razgriz_101

lems hate they are the only ones without a 10 to their name :P

Halo 4 is destined to be a 10.

[QUOTE="EPaul"]

The MGS4 Hate is back reminds me of 08

razgriz_101

lems hate they are the only ones without a 10 to their name :P

Lol, yea i remember the gloating the by the cows classic stuff

[QUOTE="Sword-Demon"]

has mgs4 not been DC'd enough? seriously.. its been over 3 years. let's move on

Mozelleple112

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="EPaul"]

The MGS4 Hate is back reminds me of 08

Swift_Boss_A

lems hate they are the only ones without a 10 to their name :P

Halo 4 is destined to be a 10.

just like gears,forza,alan wake and even kinect games if we go by LoosingENDS predictions :P

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="EPaul"]

The MGS4 Hate is back reminds me of 08

Swift_Boss_A

lems hate they are the only ones without a 10 to their name :P

Halo 4 is destined to be a 10.

Seeing the hate lately for the best PS3 titles, I suggest GS puts a sticky and all haters can give their best (or worst) in bashing Uncharted series, MGS4, PSN, the controller design etc etc etc

I honestly like 360 and even though this year it didnt offer much, Geow3 & Forza4 are simply awesome titles.. however since I see many 360 fanboys (not 360 gamers) state GS reviews/scores are like 'LAW' in here and those are the only thing that counts, they should just accept that MGS4 > 360 library since it got a nice 10/10.. so authomatically that kills any rants, bias, hate or opinion others might have ON THESE BOARDS :)

I mean FFIX had some nice characters and good dialogue ( a good ost as well) but is the story really anything to right home about??

Banjo_Kongfooie

Yes, yes it is.

Wow! Nearly 4 years later and people are still talking about this greatgame. Justgoes to show you the impact it has on the gaming world.

I hope MGS Rising lives up to the standards...

Here starts MGS4 hate train YAY!.

Kashiwaba

word I guess another hate thread on it was going to happen sooner or later. How the TC claims its a fact the story is terrible and bla bla bla.

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

lems hate they are the only ones without a 10 to their name :P

SecretPolice

Halo 4 is destined to be a 10.

thing is it didnt get 10 so stop DCing after 4 years k.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]

Halo 4 is destined to be a 10.

razgriz_101

thing is it didnt get 10 so stop DCing after 4 years k.

MGS4 doesn't even feel like an MGS game to me and therefore its not the best in the series for me. And yes it is garbage story wise because its just tying up loose ends and very poorly at that. Way too mcuh cinematics too