MGS4's Plot is Melodramatic Garbage.
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[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"][QUOTE="Mozelleple112"] Look. Gamespot thinks MGS4 is a 10/10 game, and the most stunning video game ever made. IGN thinks MGS4 is a 10/10 game, and possibly an 11/10. I think both are understating the greatness, but in general, I'm agreeing with the consensus. You (and a few others) are saying completely opposite of what competent professional reviewers are saying.Mozelleple112
And hiding behind reviews does what? makes you look like a sheep who can't form his own opinion. Stop dragging scores into this. The idea of a "best game of all time" is completely up to the user. Anyone here will agree. I think Shadow of the colossus is the best of all time but I don't attack people who say otherwise. I can understand completely why others don't like it which is what I meant before by saying if you truly love a game you can see its flaws faster than anyone. Not defend it to your death. Gamespot might think its a 10 and IGN could give it the 11 out of 10 but I don't care about them.
But you are almost mocking people for having a different opinion by laughing at them for bringing up other games such as the darkness, Fallout and Deus Ex. If they think they are good then let them. Don't attack them or belittle them for thinking so.
I am curious to think what other games are your favourites?
I'm not hiding behind reviews brah, I'm pointing out that MGS4 is the best game ever made, whether you like it or not. THE REAL QUESTION IS. What did it do to you? Did your child choke to death on MGS4 disk? Did it give your grandma a heart attack when you were playing, ? No? Then why are you so f***** upset and obsessed with downplaying a 10/10 game????Yeah ok this is where I bow out because you've divulged into non sensical rambling and incoherence. I have provided apt thoughts and reasoning in why I feel the way I feel and I provided a link to a good thought out explanation of why the game has flaws but you seem to have glanced passed that. I refuse to take part in this debate anymore because you fail to answer my questions or see my point of view. I asked your favourite games too and you didn't answer.
And I also refuse to talk to anyone who says "Brah". I am not bowing out because I am "defeated" I am bowing out because I am not getting anything back worth talking about anymore
Again, this whole topic was started by a pissy fanboy who is mad because MGS 4 got a few 10 out 10 review scores. Seriously, get over it. MGS 4 got the reviews it got because its a awesome game. End of story!. TheBlizz87Actually, MGS4 got A LOT of 10 out of 10s :P
The script is pretty bad but it's still better than most.
[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"] Don't know what you were going for there since Mozelleple wasn't stating it as a fact.
Mozelleple112
You don't think his endless gushing about MGS4 suggests otherwise with his posting habits?
Hey, its not my fault my favourite game of all time is the best game of all time, but man does it feel good. My favourites tend to always be the best at what they are (athletes, sports teams, cars etc) just not movies lol, I'd never try to claim Inception or The Dark Knight as the best movie of all time, even though they're my favourites. That's just crazy mans talk. Yep, and reviews are opinions. Thanks. Yours has been duly noted[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"][QUOTE="clone01"]
You don't think his endless gushing about MGS4 suggests otherwise with his posting habits?
Mozelleple112
Or his avatar and sig.
its hard listen to rants about the game when they come from such a blatant fanboy. I normally don't call people that but I never see him around unless MGS4 is being talked about
Look. Gamespot thinks MGS4 is a 10/10 game, and the most stunning video game ever made. IGN thinks MGS4 is a 10/10 game, and possibly an 11/10. I think both are understating the greatness, but in general, I'm agreeing with the consensus. You (and a few others) are saying completely opposite of what competent professional reviewers are saying. You don't have you're own opinion on the matter or do you just hide behind reviews?Look. Gamespot thinks MGS4 is a 10/10 game, and the most stunning video game ever made. IGN thinks MGS4 is a 10/10 game, and possibly an 11/10. I think both are understating the greatness, but in general, I'm agreeing with the consensus. You (and a few others) are saying completely opposite of what competent professional reviewers are saying. You don't have you're own opinion on the matter or do you just hide behind reviews?[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]
Or his avatar and sig.
its hard listen to rants about the game when they come from such a blatant fanboy. I normally don't call people that but I never see him around unless MGS4 is being talked about
jasonharris48
Opinions are worthelss without facts or evidence. It is arguing 101. Many of you are going afetr this guy becasue he likes MGS, which is opinion. Then he posts evidence to show that a lot of peopel like MGS, and you state is hiding behind someone else's opinion. I don't get it.
So far i say MGS3 > MGS4 > Peace Walker > MGS2 > >>>>>>>>>MGS1 worst game in the series its so dated lol.TheGuardian03Only a dumbass would say MGS1 is the worst in the series:twisted:
You don't have you're own opinion on the matter or do you just hide behind reviews?[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]
[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"] Look. Gamespot thinks MGS4 is a 10/10 game, and the most stunning video game ever made. IGN thinks MGS4 is a 10/10 game, and possibly an 11/10. I think both are understating the greatness, but in general, I'm agreeing with the consensus. You (and a few others) are saying completely opposite of what competent professional reviewers are saying.15strong
Opinions are worthelss without facts or evidence. It is arguing 101. Many of you are going afetr this guy becasue he likes MGS, which is opinion. Then he posts evidence to show that a lot of peopel like MGS, and you state is hiding behind someone else's opinion. I don't get it.
I don't who care doesn't like the MGS series or not. I'm a huge MGS fan myself , but that wasn't the topic at hand. It isn't like he's actually forming his own opinions on the matter he's just cutting and pasting reviews. I'll admit I have bashed his opinions (that wasn't entirely his own) which is wrong, but he's doing the same thing. Say something Mozelleple doesn't like he attacks your post.
Then if you understand it you agree this is FAR from garbage. You can say it didnt meet expectation , you can say decent , ok , good , soso ... but garbage? Hell no!![QUOTE="AzatiS"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]
The story is fine in most aspects but when they try to cram too much into the ending all at once its not. Don't say people don't understand the story because most people myself included understood it very well and still didn't like how it ended or played out in MGS4.
Also I have heard all the dialogues and that's what crippled the game for me. The dialogue is horrible in places. Listen to Snakes speech to Raiden about lighting up the darkness and try not to cringe.
seanmcloughlin
If I think its bad then whats the problem? why can't you just accept it?
MGS3's story is excellent and is a great character evolutionary tale. MGS1's story is just as good if not better. MGS4 is a nostalgia fest of bringing back all these characters for some sort of attachment value. Putting shadow moses in the game is done for nostalgia value and its sad to say that the best part of the game is when they go back to somewhere from the first.
I dont care if you state "YOU" think is bad. Who cares. But generic IT IS GARBAGE likes its a fact , yes theres a problem. And not mine , whoevers blindly saying a totally biased opinion. For example i dont like SMG2 at all. In fact i played it for 1 hour and i was wondering wth people find so good. So what? This means game is garbage because im not into platform genre? And because it didnt appeal to me should post about how garbage is? You get my point now? I hope so.But there's a difference between actually debating and arguing for yourself, and the terrible 'well I can't counterpoint so I'll say reviews', which is beyond lazy; it's sign of not even a developed opinion to support a perspective quite frankly. Popularity is never the barometer of quality, and critical reception is just that - critical reception. Someone citing critical reception isn't a counterpoint to the games faults. I could sit for a day talking about its design faults; at the core of the game, and counterpointing a critics opinion isn't going to 'prove it wrong'; on the contrary really. It's fine to like anything really, but if you're going to argue and debate a point then you'll have to do better then say 'it's the most stunning game ever made, look what IGN thought'. That's just bad.Opinions are worthelss without facts or evidence. It is arguing 101. Many of you are going afetr this guy becasue he likes MGS, which is opinion. Then he posts evidence to show that a lot of peopel like MGS, and you state is hiding behind someone else's opinion. I don't get it.
15strong
[QUOTE="15strong"]
[QUOTE="jasonharris48"] You don't have you're own opinion on the matter or do you just hide behind reviews?
jasonharris48
Opinions are worthelss without facts or evidence. It is arguing 101. Many of you are going afetr this guy becasue he likes MGS, which is opinion. Then he posts evidence to show that a lot of peopel like MGS, and you state is hiding behind someone else's opinion. I don't get it.
I don't who care doesn't like the MGS series or not. I'm a huge MGS fan myself , but that wasn't the topic at hand. It isn't like he's actually forming his own opinions on the matter he's just cutting and pasting reviews. I'll admit I have based his opinions (that wasn't entirely his own) which is wrong, but he's doing the same thing. Say something Mozelleple doesn't like he attacks your post.And beyond that he doesn't post anything from said reviews that is supportive to his arguments. He just copies and pastes other hype statements, and other peoples gushing moments.
That is why I usually ignore him. There is nothing to discuss. Hes just another one of those "on the surface" MGS fans. He doesn't really know the story, the characters, or the workings of the games in general. If you ever dive into any details he gets lost and then without a leg to stand on he gets defensive and resorts back to cherry picking vague statements of praise rather than discussing aspects of the game.
MGS to him is nothing more than action sequences, slick presentation and some "bad ass" characters. There is nothing wrong with that either, but as much as I hate throwing around this overused word, he is a CASUAL MGS player. A guy that skimmed through the games and now finds himself to be some sort of authority. :|
http://doctorpus.wordpress.com/2008/08/01/4-reasons-why-i-thought-metal-gear-solid-4s-story-sucked/
This is a good thought explanation of the downfalls of MGS4. This guys knows what he's talking about. And don't bash him just because he gives out about the game. He makes some very solid points
seanmcloughlin
read it and dont agree at all. He can have his opinion but doesint mean I flow with it.
Yeah it's nonsense, and pretty poorly written, and it isn't focused at all (compared to MGS1 and MGS2). MGS3 on the other hand is great - it's the right blend of melodrama, camp, and actual genuine sincerity - one of the few games to take on the idea of 'what makes a true patriot' and not ruin it in mastabatory-army-fiction. By far, still the superior game in the series.skrat_01
disagree. MGS1 still is the best in the series imo. Graphicly it aged horribly but besides that its personally my number 1 MGS. Not counting twin snakes. Oh boy did they mess up some of the scenes from the orginal ps1 version.
[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Yeah it's nonsense, and pretty poorly written, and it isn't focused at all (compared to MGS1 and MGS2). MGS3 on the other hand is great - it's the right blend of melodrama, camp, and actual genuine sincerity - one of the few games to take on the idea of 'what makes a true patriot' and not ruin it in mastabatory-army-fiction. By far, still the superior game in the series.finalfantasy94
disagree. MGS1 still is the best in the series imo. Graphicly it aged horribly but besides that its personally my number 1 MGS. Not counting twin snakes. Oh boy did they mess up some of the scenes from the orginal ps1 version.
For what it is I think it's a grand game; to me it's second to the third. Problem I find is that the first didn't have nearly the same strength in writing or plot as the third (the character arcs, the mentor/villian, the themes; nor did it really have that arc or scope (or gameplay complexities and intricacies)- however Shadow Moses was a far more personal hostile environment have to admit, and for its time, it was astoundingly well done; still is in some regards.Shame about Twin Snakes in that regard as well, hooboy that rocket jump during the hind fight. Wow.
[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]
[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Yeah it's nonsense, and pretty poorly written, and it isn't focused at all (compared to MGS1 and MGS2). MGS3 on the other hand is great - it's the right blend of melodrama, camp, and actual genuine sincerity - one of the few games to take on the idea of 'what makes a true patriot' and not ruin it in mastabatory-army-fiction. By far, still the superior game in the series.skrat_01
disagree. MGS1 still is the best in the series imo. Graphicly it aged horribly but besides that its personally my number 1 MGS. Not counting twin snakes. Oh boy did they mess up some of the scenes from the orginal ps1 version.
For what it is I think it's a grand game; to me it's second to the third. Problem I find is that the first didn't have nearly the same strength in writing or plot as the third (the character arcs, the mentor/villian, the themes; nor did it really have that arc or scope (or gameplay complexities and intricacies)- however Shadow Moses was a far more personal hostile environment have to admit, and for its time, it was astoundingly well done; still is in some regards.Shame about Twin Snakes in that regard as well, hooboy that rocket jump during the hind fight. Wow.
oh boy i didint care for that ether. One of the my most hated scenes in twin snakes is the end with jumping to dodge the bullets yuck. I jsut find MGS1 boss fights so great and the discussions afterwards with said bosses. I still remember feeling bad about the whole sniper wolf situation and merly part. It left such a impact to me. Also the scene with the ninja fighting MG was awesome and sad. I also enjoy the final fist fight. The entier game left such a huge impact on me. I know gameplay wise the series has gotten much better but I still consider 1 my all time favorite.
for me the series is 1,4,3,2. Though I found all to be great experiances. I wanna buy the collection to play PW.
I don't who care doesn't like the MGS series or not. I'm a huge MGS fan myself , but that wasn't the topic at hand. It isn't like he's actually forming his own opinions on the matter he's just cutting and pasting reviews. I'll admit I have based his opinions (that wasn't entirely his own) which is wrong, but he's doing the same thing. Say something Mozelleple doesn't like he attacks your post.[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]
[QUOTE="15strong"]
Opinions are worthelss without facts or evidence. It is arguing 101. Many of you are going afetr this guy becasue he likes MGS, which is opinion. Then he posts evidence to show that a lot of peopel like MGS, and you state is hiding behind someone else's opinion. I don't get it.
sandbox3d
And beyond that he doesn't post anything from said reviews that is supportive to his arguments. He just copies and pastes other hype statements, and other peoples gushing moments.
That is why I usually ignore him. There is nothing to discuss. Hes just another one of those "on the surface" MGS fans. He doesn't really know the story, the characters, or the workings of the games in general. If you ever dive into any details he gets lost and then without a leg to stand on he gets defensive and resorts back to cherry picking vague statements of praise rather than discussing aspects of the game.
MGS to him is nothing more than action sequences, slick presentation and some "bad ass" characters. There is nothing wrong with that either, but as much as I hate throwing around this overused word, he is a CASUAL MGS player. A guy that skimmed through the games and now finds himself to be some sort of authority. :|
I don't know the guy but that is how comes off because honestly I don't know how you can play them all and think MGS3 and MGS1 aren't the best ones. Its almost a tie between them for the best MGS IMO
[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]
[QUOTE="jasonharris48"] I don't who care doesn't like the MGS series or not. I'm a huge MGS fan myself , but that wasn't the topic at hand. It isn't like he's actually forming his own opinions on the matter he's just cutting and pasting reviews. I'll admit I have based his opinions (that wasn't entirely his own) which is wrong, but he's doing the same thing. Say something Mozelleple doesn't like he attacks your post.
seanmcloughlin
And beyond that he doesn't post anything from said reviews that is supportive to his arguments. He just copies and pastes other hype statements, and other peoples gushing moments.
That is why I usually ignore him. There is nothing to discuss. Hes just another one of those "on the surface" MGS fans. He doesn't really know the story, the characters, or the workings of the games in general. If you ever dive into any details he gets lost and then without a leg to stand on he gets defensive and resorts back to cherry picking vague statements of praise rather than discussing aspects of the game.
MGS to him is nothing more than action sequences, slick presentation and some "bad ass" characters. There is nothing wrong with that either, but as much as I hate throwing around this overused word, he is a CASUAL MGS player. A guy that skimmed through the games and now finds himself to be some sort of authority. :|
I don't know the guy but that is how comes off because honestly I don't know how you can play them all and think MGS3 and MGS1 aren't the best ones. Its almost a tie between them for the best MGS IMO
Easy its all about opinoins.
I love the MGS series, I like MGS4, and most of its elements. The story though, did suck.To not like MGS series and trash it i will understand
To not like MGS4 because of it huge dialoques over gameplay at times and trash it i can understand
To not like Solid , new bosses , gameplay , graphics , music ...whatever.. I can understand
But to say MGS4s story a garbage.... You didnt pay any attention to story or you didnt even read half/heard half of dialoques. period... AKA= you didnt understand story!
AzatiS
For what it is I think it's a grand game; to me it's second to the third. Problem I find is that the first didn't have nearly the same strength in writing or plot as the third (the character arcs, the mentor/villian, the themes; nor did it really have that arc or scope (or gameplay complexities and intricacies)- however Shadow Moses was a far more personal hostile environment have to admit, and for its time, it was astoundingly well done; still is in some regards.[QUOTE="skrat_01"]
[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]
disagree. MGS1 still is the best in the series imo. Graphicly it aged horribly but besides that its personally my number 1 MGS. Not counting twin snakes. Oh boy did they mess up some of the scenes from the orginal ps1 version.
finalfantasy94
Shame about Twin Snakes in that regard as well, hooboy that rocket jump during the hind fight. Wow.
oh boy i didint care for that ether. One of the my most hated scenes in twin snakes is the end with jumping to dodge the bullets yuck. I jsut find MGS1 boss fights so great and the discussions afterwards with said bosses. I still remember feeling bad about the whole sniper wolf situation and merly part. It left such a impact to me. Also the scene with the ninja fighting MG was awesome and sad. I also enjoy the final fist fight. The entier game left such a huge impact on me. I know gameplay wise the series has gotten much better but I still consider 1 my all time favorite.
for me the series is 1,4,3,2. Though I found all to be great experiances. I wanna buy the collection to play PW.
That's all fair enough really, MGS1 was damn fine game, can respect that entirely.Totally agree. 4 had a garbage story. I could get over it if it actually had... you know, that thing they teach people to do when they write in school.... oh a theme. Yes. MGS1 had one, it was all about the genes. MGS2 had one about conspiracy. MGS3 had one about loyalty and patriotism. All of them, as drawn out as they were, posed some interesting dilemas. What does MGS4 do? Oh, well this tiny detail from last game can be fleshed out in a 30 minute cutscene. Look, I can get over the long cutscenes. I like being told a story. I hated how much time MGS4 wasted on useless ramblings.
And MGS2 was the best in the series. MGS3 had the best ending in any game I have ever played.
if you have played and understood the story from all of the previous MGS games, and ended up hating MGS4 story, then im sorry to say something is wrong with you.
almossbb
to expand on this, i thought it was a great story in terms of managing to close off what every MGS game started, which is a feat in itself. it may not have had as good ofa story as the previous ones, but it was still an amazing conclusion imo
[QUOTE="almossbb"]
if you have played and understood the story from all of the previous MGS games, and ended up hating MGS4 story, then im sorry to say something is wrong with you.
almossbb
to expand on this, i thought it was a great story in terms of managing to close off what every MGS game started, which is a feat in itself. it may not have had as good ofa story as the previous ones, but it was still an amazing conclusion imo
No way, it had its moments, like when Liquid was cornered on the boats. The music ramped up, the situation intensified, then it all went to hell. Then the microwave scene and the final fight with Liquid were both very well done. MGS4 isn't without its moments, but I hate how all it does is wrap up the previous games and toss in some crappy relationship dynamics. The whole ordeal with Johnny was stupid, the whole Naomi scene was stupid, hell plenty of the random dialogue between insignificant characters was stupid. I'm not saying I didn't understand the purpose of all this, but it was so poorly done. After the first act I started to expect a story about the evils of a militant US based on a war economy starring a tired old man on a tired battlefield. Good job concluding the story and all, but everything in between was poorly executed with the exception of a few very epic scenes.
[QUOTE="megadeth1117"]
[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]Voice acting is one of the most important aspects of a video game, if done poorly, it easily makes a game unplayable, but done well creates great immersion. No game does this better than Metal Gear series.Mass Effect, Bioshock and Batman are high up there too though.Mozelleple112
The other games you mentioned are much superior in terms of voice acting and dialog. Not to mention games like The Darkness, Fallout: New Vegas, and Deus Ex: Human Revolutionthat blow MGS4 out of the water (again in voice acting, dialog, and storytelling. Can't really compare the gameplay since there totally different.).
I really tried hard to get into the MGS series, but the dialog is just too much for me. It's like trying to watch one of those awful anime shows on Adult Swim.
The Darkness? LOL NOPE. Fallout New Vegas? hahaha, not a chance. Deus Ex: HR? that did have some AMAZING voice acting Pritchard and Adam had great voice actors, but those two were the best and are only on par with non-main characters in MGS4 like Drebin, Naomi, Raiden etc. Nothing in Dues Ex comes close to Old Snake, Colonel, Big Boss, Otacon or Vamp though. MGS4 has the best storyline of all time. If we limit to this generation alone its not even a competition :lol:MGS4 also has the best ending of any video ever made, period. The scene where Big Boss steps in is the epitome of epic.
This scene shows of great voice acting, sound track, dialogue, epicness, mind blowing cinematic and story all in one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xye5cUD9z8Y&list=FLDem7c-obamfYhnOPS2FQUg&index=2&feature=plpp_video
lol this has to be a joke. it sounds like naomi, otacon, and raiden's voice actors are reading from a script. sunny is an annoying little brat. mei ling was god-awful. i'd say the only decent voices were snake's and campbell's. if you want better voice acting, it's in RDR and GTA IV
i've fully understood all the stories of the past games. i fully understand MGS4's story. and i have to say the storyline of the metal gear games is much, MUCH better if you pretend MGS4 never happened. it's that bad. seriously. the plot can't be salvaged.if you have played and understood the story from all of the previous MGS games, and ended up hating MGS4 story, then im sorry to say something is wrong with you.
almossbb
[QUOTE="almossbb"]
[QUOTE="almossbb"]
if you have played and understood the story from all of the previous MGS games, and ended up hating MGS4 story, then im sorry to say something is wrong with you.
RandomWinner
to expand on this, i thought it was a great story in terms of managing to close off what every MGS game started, which is a feat in itself. it may not have had as good ofa story as the previous ones, but it was still an amazing conclusion imo
No way, it had its moments, like when Liquid was cornered on the boats. The music ramped up, the situation intensified, then it all went to hell. Then the microwave scene and the final fight with Liquid were both very well done. MGS4 isn't without its moments, but I hate how all it does is wrap up the previous games and toss in some crappy relationship dynamics. The whole ordeal with Johnny was stupid, the whole Naomi scene was stupid, hell plenty of the random dialogue between insignificant characters was stupid. I'm not saying I didn't understand the purpose of all this, but it was so poorly done. After the first act I started to expect a story about the evils of a militant US based on a war economy starring a tired old man on a tired battlefield. Good job concluding the story and all, but everything in between was poorly executed with the exception of a few very epic scenes.
well ill have to agree with you on some points, that johnny ordeal was stupid. im not saying it was a perfect ending, but it left me satisfied enough by finally wrapping everything up. i do agree that if it focused more on the evils of militiant US more it would have been a much better story, but oh well what happaned happened, its story is sealed.
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The Darkness? LOL NOPE. Fallout New Vegas? hahaha, not a chance. Deus Ex: HR? that did have some AMAZING voice acting Pritchard and Adam had great voice actors, but those two were the best and are only on par with non-main characters in MGS4 like Drebin, Naomi, Raiden etc. Nothing in Dues Ex comes close to Old Snake, Colonel, Big Boss, Otacon or Vamp though. MGS4 has the best storyline of all time. If we limit to this generation alone its not even a competition :lol:[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]
[QUOTE="megadeth1117"]
The other games you mentioned are much superior in terms of voice acting and dialog. Not to mention games like The Darkness, Fallout: New Vegas, and Deus Ex: Human Revolutionthat blow MGS4 out of the water (again in voice acting, dialog, and storytelling. Can't really compare the gameplay since there totally different.).
I really tried hard to get into the MGS series, but the dialog is just too much for me. It's like trying to watch one of those awful anime shows on Adult Swim.
princeofshapeir
MGS4 also has the best ending of any video ever made, period. The scene where Big Boss steps in is the epitome of epic.
This scene shows of great voice acting, sound track, dialogue, epicness, mind blowing cinematic and story all in one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xye5cUD9z8Y&list=FLDem7c-obamfYhnOPS2FQUg&index=2&feature=plpp_video
lol this has to be a joke. it sounds like naomi, otacon, and raiden's voice actors are reading from a script. sunny is an annoying little brat. mei ling was god-awful. i'd say the only decent voices were snake's and campbell's. if you want better voice acting, it's in RDR and GTA IV
Nooope. absolutely not. John Marston is the ONLY guy with a good voice in RDR, and he's probably on par with Otacon or Drebin or Raiden or Big Mama or Naomi, all 5 of them are excellent voice actors of course. But the rest of the RDR crew sound like Sunny or Mei Ling, those two had absolutely HORRIBLE VOICE ACTORS. GTAIV is no where near up their with the voice acting kings (MGS4, Bioshock, Batman and Mass Effect games) But that's not all. Old Snake, Roy Campbell, Ocelot, Big Boss and Vamp are better than ANYTHING in RDR/GTAIV, in fact the only V/Os that I can think of are Martin Sheen (ME2), Kevin Conroy, Mark Hamill (Batman) that can compare.[QUOTE="almossbb"]i've fully understood all the stories of the past games. i fully understand MGS4's story. and i have to say the storyline of the metal gear games is much, MUCH better if you pretend MGS4 never happened. it's that bad. seriously. the plot can't be salvaged. I'm curious, since you're actually bothered to spend so much time in this thread, you claim you're a Metal Gear fan, yet hate MGS4 so much. SO tell me How would you want MGS4 to be and what do you want MGS5 to be like? go on, write you're own short story... 200-300 words of how the story ended up And also, if you've seen the final boss fight in MGS4, and do not agree that its the greatest boss fight scene in video game history (because it is) you must have been dropped as child. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwmrp_4MDfE&feature=channel_video_titleif you have played and understood the story from all of the previous MGS games, and ended up hating MGS4 story, then im sorry to say something is wrong with you.
princeofshapeir
i've fully understood all the stories of the past games. i fully understand MGS4's story. and i have to say the storyline of the metal gear games is much, MUCH better if you pretend MGS4 never happened. it's that bad. seriously. the plot can't be salvaged. I'm curious, since you're actually bothered to spend so much time in this thread, you claim you're a Metal Gear fan, yet hate MGS4 so much. SO tell me How would you want MGS4 to be and what do you want MGS5 to be like? go on, write you're own short story... 200-300 words of how the story ended up And also, if you've seen the final boss fight in MGS4, and do not agree that its the greatest boss fight scene in video game history (because it is) you must have been dropped as child. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwmrp_4MDfE&feature=channel_video_title Kojima must be permenantly banned from writing for MGS5 he should focus all his attention on directing the game he can give some ideas but he mustn"t write anything, as I said early MGS actually has some good ideas but its bogged Down by all the BS writing[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="almossbb"]
if you have played and understood the story from all of the previous MGS games, and ended up hating MGS4 story, then im sorry to say something is wrong with you.
Mozelleple112
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Also I can think of many many bosse fights that are far better than that BS eevery boss fight in demon soul or dark soul, Sephiroth from FF7, Emerald weapon, Every boss fight in teh Mertiod series ( yes even the ones on the nes) Every zelda boss...I could do this for days
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