Microsoft does not own PC

if microsoft owned pc's then i wouldnt be able to install linux and buy dells and all that

if a game comes out on pc and 360 its not a ms exclusive!

edit:

Often, the term "personal computer" is used exclusively for computers running a MicrosoftWindows operating system, but this is erroneous. For example, a Macintosh running Mac OS and an IBM PC compatible running Linux are both personal computers.

source wikipedia

butcan you explain howso many pc titles are appearing on 360 also.

im not saying its bad but it would be nice know

butcan you explain howso many pc titles are appearing on 360 also.

Nero_Paladin

butcan you explain howso many pc titles are appearing on 360 also.

Nero_Paladin

The developers, there is no contract while developing on the PC, Microsoft makes a contract with them to place it on the 360 aswell (Same with Sony and the PS3) and vice versa.

butcan you explain howso many pc titles are appearing on 360 also.

im not saying its bad but it would be nice know

Nero_Paladin

i would ask you why so many 360 titles make their way to the pc because pc's have such a large audience...

maybe its that the 360 has sold the most units (so far), so developers are willing to port games onto the 360 because they can make money.

just want to say that pc and 360 dont go hand in hand

Maybe not yet. But when dx10 goes major MS will pretty much own PC gaming.nmaharg

DX10 is just a development tool, just like DX 1 , 2 , 3 , 4, 5 , 6 , 7 , 8, 9 before it.

[QUOTE="nmaharg"]Maybe not yet. But when dx10 goes major MS will pretty much own PC gaming.Meu2k7

DX10 is just a development tool, just like DX 1 , 2 , 3 , 4, 5 , 6 , 7 , 8, 9 before it.

Which requires vista...

but they are entitled to many games on the PC such as Halo 2, Gears of War, Age of Empires, etc.washere12

if halo 2 comes out on pc and xbox its cause its multiplat...

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

[QUOTE="nmaharg"]Maybe not yet. But when dx10 goes major MS will pretty much own PC gaming.nmaharg

DX10 is just a development tool, just like DX 1 , 2 , 3 , 4, 5 , 6 , 7 , 8, 9 before it.

Which requires vista...

So? a one off cheap payment, compared to a platform where they earn something off everything?

[QUOTE="washere12"]but they are entitled to many games on the PC such as Halo 2, Gears of War, Age of Empires, etc.p2rus

if halo 2 comes out on pc and xbox its cause its multiplat...

right but it is still entitled to Microsoft

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

[QUOTE="nmaharg"]Maybe not yet. But when dx10 goes major MS will pretty much own PC gaming.nmaharg

DX10 is just a development tool, just like DX 1 , 2 , 3 , 4, 5 , 6 , 7 , 8, 9 before it.

Which requires vista...

which isnt required to play games.

A PC is an open-ended system while consoles are close-ended. Therefore you can put whatever you want on a PC. Microsoft doesn't release games for the PC, they release them for Windows which happens to run on a PC. See back when I was young they didn't call them PC's they were considered IBM compatible. billbradsky

[QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

[QUOTE="nmaharg"]Maybe not yet. But when dx10 goes major MS will pretty much own PC gaming.Meu2k7

DX10 is just a development tool, just like DX 1 , 2 , 3 , 4, 5 , 6 , 7 , 8, 9 before it.

Which requires vista...

So? a one off cheap payment, compared to a platform where they earn something off everything?

What are you talking about? All I was saying is that in a few years MS will in fact own PC gaming. Why are you so defensive?

Which requires vista...nmaharg

[QUOTE="p2rus"]

[QUOTE="washere12"]but they are entitled to many games on the PC such as Halo 2, Gears of War, Age of Empires, etc.washere12

if halo 2 comes out on pc and xbox its cause its multiplat...

right but it is still entitled to Microsoft

but its mutliplat lol

[QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

[QUOTE="nmaharg"]Maybe not yet. But when dx10 goes major MS will pretty much own PC gaming.p2rus

DX10 is just a development tool, just like DX 1 , 2 , 3 , 4, 5 , 6 , 7 , 8, 9 before it.

Which requires vista...

which isnt required to play games.

It is if you want to play games in dx10.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

[QUOTE="nmaharg"]Maybe not yet. But when dx10 goes major MS will pretty much own PC gaming.nmaharg

DX10 is just a development tool, just like DX 1 , 2 , 3 , 4, 5 , 6 , 7 , 8, 9 before it.

Which requires vista...

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

[QUOTE="nmaharg"]Maybe not yet. But when dx10 goes major MS will pretty much own PC gaming.nmaharg

DX10 is just a development tool, just like DX 1 , 2 , 3 , 4, 5 , 6 , 7 , 8, 9 before it.

Which requires vista...

So? a one off cheap payment, compared to a platform where they earn something off everything?

What are you talking about? All I was saying is that in a few years MS will in fact own PC gaming. Why are you so defensive?

Because thats the same as saying Microsoft owns PC Gaming now because Windows XP came out O_o ... its not logical at all....

[QUOTE="p2rus"][QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

[QUOTE="nmaharg"]Maybe not yet. But when dx10 goes major MS will pretty much own PC gaming.nmaharg

DX10 is just a development tool, just like DX 1 , 2 , 3 , 4, 5 , 6 , 7 , 8, 9 before it.

Which requires vista...

which isnt required to play games.

It is if you want to play games in dx10.

how many games now are using dx10. i really dont know, but could you tell me which games that are out use dx10.

if microsoft owned pc's then i wouldnt be able to install linux and buy dells and all that

if a game comes out on pc and 360 its not a ms exclusive!

edit:

Often, the term "personal computer" is used exclusively for computers running a MicrosoftWindows operating system, but this is erroneous. For example, a Macintosh running Mac OS and an IBM PC compatible running Linux are both personal computers.

source wikipedia

p2rus

M$ owns the operating system that the game runs off of. Without that O/S the game is useless. Apple (MAC) have their own O/S and if the game isn't coming out for MAC O/S, Linux, Unix, Sun, etc, then yes, it's M$ exclusive. Oh, and M$ owns the XBox 360 and the O/S that runs on it. ;)

[QUOTE="Nero_Paladin"]

butcan you explain howso many pc titles are appearing on 360 also.

foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="washere12"]

right but it is still entitled to Microsoft

p2rus

but its mutliplat lol

PS, PS2 games are all multiplat because you can play them on a PS3.

Old legacy games on NES and Genesis are all multiplat because you can play them on PC,

This is according to your ranting.

[QUOTE="p2rus"][QUOTE="washere12"]

right but it is still entitled to Microsoft

Truth_Hurts_U

but its mutliplat lol

PS, PS2 games are all multiplat because you can play them on a PS3.

Old legacy games on NES and Genesis are all multiplat because you can play them on PC,

This is according to your ranting.

ranting? no

but the whole ps and ps2 games argument you have going is completly faulty. the only reason that these games are so called multiplat is because of backwards compatibility. the pc and 360 dont have backwards compatibility. so no according to me youre argument makes no sense. ps exclusives are just that, exclusive. and games that come out on both 360 and pc arent exclusive because there are two different types of machines! a gaming console and a personal computer! and its on both!

C&C 3, World In Conflict,Two Worlds and a few otherswhocares4peace

A PC is an open-ended system while consoles are close-ended. Therefore you can put whatever you want on a PC. Microsoft doesn't release games for the PC, they release them for Windows which happens to run on a PC. See back when I was young they didn't call them PC's they were considered IBM compatible. billbradsky

sony sells pcs. sony makes pc games.

the pc is not a microsoftplatform. they just make one of the components.

ranting? no

but the whole ps and ps2 games argument you have going is completly faulty. the only reason that these games are so called multiplat is because of backwards compatibility. the pc and 360 dont have backwards compatibility. so no according to me youre argument makes no sense. ps exclusives are just that, exclusive. and games that come out on both 360 and pc arent exclusive because there are two different types of machines! a gaming console and a personal computer! and its on both!

p2rus

Backpedal much?

Your whole statement is based on that you don't need Windows to play games on a PC. You don't need a PS, PS2 to play games.

If a game requires Windows it is exclusive. Same goes for 360 and Windows. The game is an exclusive. They are both owned by MS.

[QUOTE="p2rus"]ranting? no

but the whole ps and ps2 games argument you have going is completly faulty. the only reason that these games are so called multiplat is because of backwards compatibility. the pc and 360 dont have backwards compatibility. so no according to me youre argument makes no sense. ps exclusives are just that, exclusive. and games that come out on both 360 and pc arent exclusive because there are two different types of machines! a gaming console and a personal computer! and its on both!

Truth_Hurts_U

Backpedal much?

Your whole statement is based on that you don't need Windows to play games on a PC. You don't need a PS, PS2 to play games.

If a game requires Windows it is exclusive. Same goes for 360 and Windows. The game is an exclusive. They are both owned by MS.

microsoft is not a platform.

[QUOTE="p2rus"]ranting? no

but the whole ps and ps2 games argument you have going is completly faulty. the only reason that these games are so called multiplat is because of backwards compatibility. the pc and 360 dont have backwards compatibility. so no according to me youre argument makes no sense. ps exclusives are just that, exclusive. and games that come out on both 360 and pc arent exclusive because there are two different types of machines! a gaming console and a personal computer! and its on both!

Truth_Hurts_U

Backpedal much?

Your whole statement is based on that you don't need Windows to play games on a PC. You don't need a PS, PS2 to play games.

If a game requires Windows it is exclusive. Same goes for 360 and Windows. The game is an exclusive. They are both owned by MS.

so are you saying that in 50 years when all games can be emulated on 1 console we should come back and say that there are no more exclusive games?

crash is psone exclusive. playing it on the ps3 doesnt change the fact that it is not a ps3 game. my whole statment is based on the fact that pc isnt microsoft owned. your argument is not only twisted logic, but it is faulty logic.

microsoft is not a platform.CaseyWegner

TC is talking about exclusives.

sony isnt a platform either. its a company. and thats why crash is a psone game not a ps3 game.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]microsoft is not a platform.Truth_Hurts_U

TC is talking about exclusives.

youre talking like ms is a platform. you make it sound like they own the pc, which they dont. so how can you say that pc games are exclusive ms.

ms isnt a console, its a company. thats wh youre argument is wrong

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]microsoft is not a platform.Truth_Hurts_U

TC is talking about exclusives.

and you're trying to find a way to say that a multiplat game is exclusive.

sony isnt a platform either. its a company. and thats why crash is a psone game not a ps3 game.

p2rus

Thats the whole point you are missing. If a game is made for Windows only and is also made for 360. Guess what? MS owns exclusivity.

[QUOTE="p2rus"]

sony isnt a platform either. its a company. and thats why crash is a psone game not a ps3 game.

Truth_Hurts_U

Thats the whole point you are missing. If a game is made for Windows only and is also made for 360. Guess what? MS owns exclusivity.

and what's the point in even saying that?

[QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]microsoft is not a platform.CaseyWegner

TC is talking about exclusives.

and you're trying to find a way to say that a multiplat game is exclusive.

A multiplat game on only 1 companies platforms is exclusivity. Yeah it's multiplat but it doesn't change the fact that it is exclusive.

Thats the whole point I'm trying to make.

[QUOTE="p2rus"]

sony isnt a platform either. its a company. and thats why crash is a psone game not a ps3 game.

Truth_Hurts_U

Thats the whole point you are missing. If a game is made for Windows only and is also made for 360. Guess what? MS owns exclusivity.

if i can buy a game (bioshock) on two different systems then it is multiplat. multiplatform. that means more than one platform. what is the definition of multiplatform:

"In the consumer gaming market, mutliplatform games run on more than one gaming machine. For example, a sports game developed for Xbox, Playstation, GameCube, and PC would be a multiplatform game. If a game is developed exclusively for one system, i.e. "The Legend of Zelda," for Nintendo, it is not multiplatform. Gaming hardware manufacturers use exclusive software as a reason for consumers to buy their system."

http://www.techterms.com/definition/multiplatform

does that sum it up for you? since pc is a system, and 360 is another system, then...using logic...games that come out on BOTH pc and 360 are multiplat.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]microsoft is not a platform.Truth_Hurts_U

TC is talking about exclusives.

and you're trying to find a way to say that a multiplat game is exclusive.

A multiplat game on only 1 companies platforms is exclusivity. Yeah it's multiplat but it doesn't change the fact that it is exclusive.

Thats the whole point I'm trying to make.

the pc is not a microsoft platform and what the....?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]microsoft is not a platform.Truth_Hurts_U

TC is talking about exclusives.

and you're trying to find a way to say that a multiplat game is exclusive.

A multiplat game on only 1 companies platforms is exclusivity. Yeah it's multiplat but it doesn't change the fact that it is exclusive.

Thats the whole point I'm trying to make.

but pc isnt ms's platform.

if i can buy a game (bioshock) on two different systems then it is multiplat. multiplatform. that means more than one platform. what is the definition of multiplatform:

"In the consumer gaming market, mutliplatform games run on more than one gaming machine. For example, a sports game developed for Xbox, Playstation, GameCube, and PC would be a multiplatform game. If a game is developed exclusively for one system, i.e. "The Legend of Zelda," for Nintendo, it is not multiplatform. Gaming hardware manufacturers use exclusive software as a reason for consumers to buy their system."

http://www.techterms.com/definition/multiplatform

does that sum it up for you? since pc is a system, and 360 is another system, then...using logic...games that come out on BOTH pc and 360 are multiplat.

p2rus

Like I said... You are talking about exclusivity. That is also what I am talking about.

I gave the exsamples of the PS line of consoles. Because they are all owned by Sony.

[QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]microsoft is not a platform.CaseyWegner

TC is talking about exclusives.

and you're trying to find a way to say that a multiplat game is exclusive.

A multiplat game on only 1 companies platforms is exclusivity. Yeah it's multiplat but it doesn't change the fact that it is exclusive.

Thats the whole point I'm trying to make.

the pc is not a microsoft platform and what the....?

i hope that was a typo or something...

its not black but it doesnt change the fact that its white.

the pc is not a microsoft platform and what the....?

CaseyWegner

These 2 sentances go together. That why I put them like that. :P

PC is a platforum and in order to run that platforum you need a OS. (You have to choose.)

[QUOTE="p2rus"]

if i can buy a game (bioshock) on two different systems then it is multiplat. multiplatform. that means more than one platform. what is the definition of multiplatform:

"In the consumer gaming market, mutliplatform games run on more than one gaming machine. For example, a sports game developed for Xbox, Playstation, GameCube, and PC would be a multiplatform game. If a game is developed exclusively for one system, i.e. "The Legend of Zelda," for Nintendo, it is not multiplatform. Gaming hardware manufacturers use exclusive software as a reason for consumers to buy their system."

http://www.techterms.com/definition/multiplatform

does that sum it up for you? since pc is a system, and 360 is another system, then...using logic...games that come out on BOTH pc and 360 are multiplat.

Truth_Hurts_U

Like I said... You are talking about exclusivity. That is also what I am talking about.

I gave the exsamples of the PS line of consoles. Because they are all owned by Sony.

lol

if we are both talking about exclusivity it goes without saying that we should use the definition of exclusive. exclusive means that its for one platform only. is pc a platform? is 360 a platform? arent they different platforms? so there we go. if its exclusive to one platform then its exclusive. if its on more than one platform then its not exclusive.

the problem is, you're trying to create a new term: company exclusive. thats just dumb...it doesnt help sw do anything better, its just plain annoying and confundling

Yeah it's multiplat but it doesn't change the fact that it is exclusive.

Thats the whole point I'm trying to make.

Truth_Hurts_U