Microsoft does not own PC

and because of it AAA titles even if they come out simultanously with the pc will not affect the console why??? because u can play bioschock on a $280 dollar system with the same graphics and gameplay.what do u think casuals will choose????OldParr

If I didn't own a PC I would have bought a 360 LONG ago to game on. But I do game on PC, so I haven't bought a 360. There's SEVERAL hundred bucks DIRECTLY TAKEN AWAY FROM MS.

PCs not affecting console sales = :lol:

it didnt take away my point about the market.u buy a console for one purpose only when u turn on ur console,the main important thing for it is to play games.when u turn on ur pc it can be for many things is not a close substitute.u cant do with consoles what u can do with pc

OldParr

Actually, I use my PC as a COMPLETE substitute for a console. Funny how that works...

if microsoft owned pc's then i wouldnt be able to install linux and buy dells and all that

if a game comes out on pc and 360 its not a ms exclusive!

edit:

Often, the term "personal computer" is used exclusively for computers running a MicrosoftWindows operating system, but this is erroneous. For example, a Macintosh running Mac OS and an IBM PC compatible running Linux are both personal computers.

source wikipedia

p2rus

now go find me a best selling game that dosn't require an ms operating system.

[QUOTE="p2rus"]

if microsoft owned pc's then i wouldnt be able to install linux and buy dells and all that

if a game comes out on pc and 360 its not a ms exclusive!

edit:

Often, the term "personal computer" is used exclusively for computers running a MicrosoftWindows operating system, but this is erroneous. For example, a Macintosh running Mac OS and an IBM PC compatible running Linux are both personal computers.

source wikipedia

rdo

now go find me a best selling game that dosn't require an ms operating system.

World of Warcraft. You're done. Owned. Bye.

No MS does not own PC, but the PC is not the enemy to MS. I have made a argument to why most lems and MS feel different.

Sonys PS3 on the other hand is a full fledged enemy to MS in this system war. You have admit 360 losing a exclusive to PC is different and is less damaging then losing a exclusive to the PS3. It's not the same. DMC for example, just look how the board reacted when it went mutiplat to the 360, if it went to just PC the reaction wouldn't of been the same.

demoralizer

So, if you were Microsoft, and me, my two friends, and trix over there all bought a multiplat game for the PC, you're telling me you wouldn't cheezed that you just lost over $200 worth of sales?

Just because the PC isn't a traditional adversary or a traditional platform, doesn't mean it out-and-out isn't either of those things completely.

[QUOTE="rdo"][QUOTE="p2rus"]

if microsoft owned pc's then i wouldnt be able to install linux and buy dells and all that

if a game comes out on pc and 360 its not a ms exclusive!

edit:

Often, the term "personal computer" is used exclusively for computers running a MicrosoftWindows operating system, but this is erroneous. For example, a Macintosh running Mac OS and an IBM PC compatible running Linux are both personal computers.

source wikipedia

NerdMan

now go find me a best selling game that dosn't require an ms operating system.

World of Warcraft. You're done. Owned. Bye.

not to mention little obscure games like starcraft, diablo 1&2, baldur's gate 1&2,the sims, age of empires, etc.

[QUOTE="NerdMan"][QUOTE="rdo"]

now go find me a best selling game that dosn't require an ms operating system.

CaseyWegner

World of Warcraft. You're done. Owned. Bye.

not to mention little obscure games like starcraft, diablo 1&2, baldur's gate 1&2,the sims, age of empires, etc.

Boy those are obscure. Bet it took you forever to come up with those... :P

[QUOTE="rdo"][QUOTE="p2rus"]

if microsoft owned pc's then i wouldnt be able to install linux and buy dells and all that

if a game comes out on pc and 360 its not a ms exclusive!

edit:

Often, the term "personal computer" is used exclusively for computers running a MicrosoftWindows operating system, but this is erroneous. For example, a Macintosh running Mac OS and an IBM PC compatible running Linux are both personal computers.

source wikipedia

NerdMan

now go find me a best selling game that dosn't require an ms operating system.

World of Warcraft. You're done. Owned. Bye.

lol, maximum ownage :lol:

[QUOTE="NerdMan"][QUOTE="rdo"][QUOTE="p2rus"]

if microsoft owned pc's then i wouldnt be able to install linux and buy dells and all that

if a game comes out on pc and 360 its not a ms exclusive!

edit:

Often, the term "personal computer" is used exclusively for computers running a MicrosoftWindows operating system, but this is erroneous. For example, a Macintosh running Mac OS and an IBM PC compatible running Linux are both personal computers.

source wikipedia

CaseyWegner

now go find me a best selling game that dosn't require an ms operating system.

World of Warcraft. You're done. Owned. Bye.

not to mention little obscure games like starcraft, diablo 1&2, baldur's gate 1&2,the sims, age of empires, etc.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="NerdMan"][QUOTE="rdo"][QUOTE="p2rus"]

if microsoft owned pc's then i wouldnt be able to install linux and buy dells and all that

if a game comes out on pc and 360 its not a ms exclusive!

edit:

Often, the term "personal computer" is used exclusively for computers running a MicrosoftWindows operating system, but this is erroneous. For example, a Macintosh running Mac OS and an IBM PC compatible running Linux are both personal computers.

source wikipedia

Heil68

now go find me a best selling game that dosn't require an ms operating system.

World of Warcraft. You're done. Owned. Bye.

not to mention little obscure games like starcraft, diablo 1&2, baldur's gate 1&2,the sims, age of empires, etc.

doesn't matter.

Some people can't seem to accept that:

1. The PC counts just as much as any other system in System Wars.
2. The PC platform is not in any way owned by MS. That's like saying the 360 is owned by the company that manufactures all the little plastic pieces. Actually, the % cost for the plastic bits in the 360 is probably similar to the cost of Windows in relation to other PC components.
3. PC's DO affect console hardware and software sales.

butcan you explain howso many pc titles are appearing on 360 also.

im not saying its bad but it would be nice know

Nero_Paladin

PC Titles are not appearing on the 360.

360 Titles are appearing on the PC.

Some people can't seem to accept that:

1. The PC counts just as much as any other system in System Wars.
2. The PC platform is not in any way owned by MS. That's like saying the 360 is owned by the company that manufactures all the little plastic pieces. Actually, the % cost for the plastic bits in the 360 is probably similar to the cost of Windows in relation to other PC components.
3. PC's DO affect console hardware and software sales.

NerdMan

And that, my friends, sums it up perfectly. Especially number 3- I haven't bought a 360 (partially because of it's severe hardware problems) because most of its "exclusives" will wind up on PC in the future and I'm in no rush.

Isn't a Windows-exclusive game basically the same as a Microsoft-exclusive game? Unless you want to play games on linux or mac, but you guys always bash macs for crap gaming.Codename33

Many Windows games work in Linux under Wine, which has improved leaps and bounds in the past year or so.

But even outside of that, we're not pitting companies against each other here- it's not Nintendo vs Microsoft vs Sony, it's Wii vs 360 vs PS3 vs PC, with a sub-division for handhelds. If a game appears on the Wii and DS, we don't call it a 'Nintendo exclusive'- why would we call any game that is on the 360 and PC a 'Microsoft exclusive'?

Some people can't seem to accept that:

1. The PC counts just as much as any other system in System Wars.
2. The PC platform is not in any way owned by MS. That's like saying the 360 is owned by the company that manufactures all the little plastic pieces. Actually, the % cost for the plastic bits in the 360 is probably similar to the cost of Windows in relation to other PC components.
3. PC's DO affect console hardware and software sales.

NerdMan

i disagree with ur 3 point if it does there is no console

[QUOTE="NerdMan"]

Some people can't seem to accept that:

1. The PC counts just as much as any other system in System Wars.
2. The PC platform is not in any way owned by MS. That's like saying the 360 is owned by the company that manufactures all the little plastic pieces. Actually, the % cost for the plastic bits in the 360 is probably similar to the cost of Windows in relation to other PC components.
3. PC's DO affect console hardware and software sales.

OldParr

i disagree with ur 3 point if it does there is no console

How can you disagree with it? Numerous people have stated the only reason they don't own a 360 is because they have a gaming PC. That's direct, 100% evidence that PC's affect console sales.

pc is an expansion of the market for console just as console it is for the pc.when pc was createits purpose was not to play games meaning that is not a subsitute.u can do some research about it and ull see.you wanna use it as a gaming device thats fine.u can also use it for other things

[QUOTE="OldParr"][QUOTE="NerdMan"]

Some people can't seem to accept that:

1. The PC counts just as much as any other system in System Wars.
2. The PC platform is not in any way owned by MS. That's like saying the 360 is owned by the company that manufactures all the little plastic pieces. Actually, the % cost for the plastic bits in the 360 is probably similar to the cost of Windows in relation to other PC components.
3. PC's DO affect console hardware and software sales.

NerdMan

i disagree with ur 3 point if it does there is no console

How can you disagree with it? Numerous people have stated the only reason they don't own a 360 is because they have a gaming PC. That's direct, 100% evidence that PC's affect console sales.

i didnt know numerous people was 100% percent evidence

[QUOTE="NerdMan"]

Some people can't seem to accept that:

1. The PC counts just as much as any other system in System Wars.
2. The PC platform is not in any way owned by MS. That's like saying the 360 is owned by the company that manufactures all the little plastic pieces. Actually, the % cost for the plastic bits in the 360 is probably similar to the cost of Windows in relation to other PC components.
3. PC's DO affect console hardware and software sales.

OldParr

i disagree with ur 3 point if it does there is no console

PC's have an extreme effect on console hardware (nVidia, Intel, AMDand ATi advance their hardware for the PC and then the consoles pick-up on the newer hardware when it comes time) and software (Technological techniques developed on the PC are transferedto consoles (Motion blur(Crysis), self shadowing (Project Offset), etc.). The only way you can continue denying the PC's effect on the industry is if you are a stupid fanboy.

[QUOTE="NerdMan"][QUOTE="OldParr"][QUOTE="NerdMan"]

Some people can't seem to accept that:

1. The PC counts just as much as any other system in System Wars.
2. The PC platform is not in any way owned by MS. That's like saying the 360 is owned by the company that manufactures all the little plastic pieces. Actually, the % cost for the plastic bits in the 360 is probably similar to the cost of Windows in relation to other PC components.
3. PC's DO affect console hardware and software sales.

OldParr

i disagree with ur 3 point if it does there is no console

How can you disagree with it? Numerous people have stated the only reason they don't own a 360 is because they have a gaming PC. That's direct, 100% evidence that PC's affect console sales.

i didnt know numerous people was 100% percent evidence

Actually, it is. You either have evidence or you don't. That said, there is evidence of PC's affecting console sales.

pc is an expansion of the market for console just as console it is for the pc.when pc was createits purpose was not to play games meaning that is not a subsitute.u can do some research about it and ull see.you wanna use it as a gaming device thats fine.u can also use it for other things

OldParr

Would you care to depart from your downward spiralling circular logic for a moment and explain to me how PC's TODAY don't affect console sales? No really, I want to know how the choice to not buy a console because I (and thousands others I'm sure) own a PC doesn't affect things.

if the gam lists windows or vista as a requirment to play a game then yes it is an ms exclusive. if you can play the game on linux then it isn't ms exclusive. and if you remember gates bailed jobs and apple out of bankruptcy, ms now owns part of mac.

now go find me a best selling game that dosn't require an ms operating system.

rdo

I can play a lot of best-selling games on Linux, just so you know. They don't even have to list it on the box either.

[QUOTE="OldParr"][QUOTE="NerdMan"]

Some people can't seem to accept that:

1. The PC counts just as much as any other system in System Wars.
2. The PC platform is not in any way owned by MS. That's like saying the 360 is owned by the company that manufactures all the little plastic pieces. Actually, the % cost for the plastic bits in the 360 is probably similar to the cost of Windows in relation to other PC components.
3. PC's DO affect console hardware and software sales.

horrowhip

i disagree with ur 3 point if it does there is no console

PC's have an extreme effect on console hardware (nVidia, Intel, AMDand ATi advance their hardware for the PC and then the consoles pick-up on the newer hardware when it comes time) and software (Technological techniques developed on the PC are transferedto consoles (Motion blur(Crysis), self shadowing (Project Offset), etc.). The only way you can continue denying the PC's effect on the industry is if you are a stupid fanboy.

i said is an expansion whats so hard about that term

[QUOTE="NerdMan"][QUOTE="OldParr"][QUOTE="NerdMan"]

Some people can't seem to accept that:

1. The PC counts just as much as any other system in System Wars.
2. The PC platform is not in any way owned by MS. That's like saying the 360 is owned by the company that manufactures all the little plastic pieces. Actually, the % cost for the plastic bits in the 360 is probably similar to the cost of Windows in relation to other PC components.
3. PC's DO affect console hardware and software sales.

OldParr

i disagree with ur 3 point if it does there is no console

How can you disagree with it? Numerous people have stated the only reason they don't own a 360 is because they have a gaming PC. That's direct, 100% evidence that PC's affect console sales.

i didnt know numerous people was 100% percent evidence

You are an idiot... it IS possible for something to have a small effect... If someone doesn't buy a console because they have a good PC, that means one less person bought a console and that has an effect. It's even more of an effect when you see 50 people say that when they only represent a tiny sliver of the market.

[QUOTE="OldParr"]

pc is an expansion of the market for console just as console it is for the pc.when pc was createits purpose was not to play games meaning that is not a subsitute.u can do some research about it and ull see.you wanna use it as a gaming device thats fine.u can also use it for other things

NerdMan

Would you care to depart from your downward spiralling circular logic for a moment and explain to me how PC's TODAY don't affect console sales? No really, I want to know how the choice to not buy a console because I (and thousands others I'm sure) own a PC doesn't affect things.

because its a different market

[QUOTE="NerdMan"][QUOTE="OldParr"]

pc is an expansion of the market for console just as console it is for the pc.when pc was createits purpose was not to play games meaning that is not a subsitute.u can do some research about it and ull see.you wanna use it as a gaming device thats fine.u can also use it for other things

OldParr

Would you care to depart from your downward spiralling circular logic for a moment and explain to me how PC's TODAY don't affect console sales? No really, I want to know how the choice to not buy a console because I (and thousands others I'm sure) own a PC doesn't affect things.

because its a different market

Wow. Brilliant explanation that manages to ignore facts. Top notch, sir.

[QUOTE="OldParr"][QUOTE="NerdMan"][QUOTE="OldParr"][QUOTE="NerdMan"]

Some people can't seem to accept that:

1. The PC counts just as much as any other system in System Wars.
2. The PC platform is not in any way owned by MS. That's like saying the 360 is owned by the company that manufactures all the little plastic pieces. Actually, the % cost for the plastic bits in the 360 is probably similar to the cost of Windows in relation to other PC components.
3. PC's DO affect console hardware and software sales.

horrowhip

i disagree with ur 3 point if it does there is no console

How can you disagree with it? Numerous people have stated the only reason they don't own a 360 is because they have a gaming PC. That's direct, 100% evidence that PC's affect console sales.

i didnt know numerous people was 100% percent evidence

You are an idiot... it IS possible for something to have a small effect... If someone doesn't buy a console because they have a good PC, that means one less person bought a console and that has an effect. It's even more of an effect when you see 50 people say that when they only represent a tiny sliver of the market.

why u calling me an idiot??? right there u lost credibility because u cant keep a debate.all i said that the pc is an expansion of the market.a different market

What percentage of total sales do those have? I think you'll find Windows is 99.9% of the os used for games.Heil68

I'm certain you just made that figure up and that its inaccurate to a fair degree, considering you know...the most popular games are things like cards games and puzzlers which you find in abundance on virtually any OS.

because its a different market

OldParr

Do you have any proof of this? No, you don't.

[QUOTE="horrowhip"][QUOTE="OldParr"][QUOTE="NerdMan"][QUOTE="OldParr"][QUOTE="NerdMan"]

Some people can't seem to accept that:

1. The PC counts just as much as any other system in System Wars.
2. The PC platform is not in any way owned by MS. That's like saying the 360 is owned by the company that manufactures all the little plastic pieces. Actually, the % cost for the plastic bits in the 360 is probably similar to the cost of Windows in relation to other PC components.
3. PC's DO affect console hardware and software sales.

OldParr

i disagree with ur 3 point if it does there is no console

How can you disagree with it? Numerous people have stated the only reason they don't own a 360 is because they have a gaming PC. That's direct, 100% evidence that PC's affect console sales.

i didnt know numerous people was 100% percent evidence

You are an idiot... it IS possible for something to have a small effect... If someone doesn't buy a console because they have a good PC, that means one less person bought a console and that has an effect. It's even more of an effect when you see 50 people say that when they only represent a tiny sliver of the market.

why u calling me an idiot??? right there u lost credibility because u cant keep a debate.all i said that the pc is an expansion of the market.a different market

It's sort of a different market(The fact that it is always ahead of the console market in terms of hardware seperates it, but not by a lot), but it still is the gaming industry and in that way it is the same market. I called you an idiot because evidence is evidence and you were denying that, which makes absolutley no sense...

[QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]microsoft is not a platform.p2rus

TC is talking about exclusives.

youre talking like ms is a platform. you make it sound like they own the pc, which they dont. so how can you say that pc games are exclusive ms.

ms isnt a console, its a company. thats wh youre argument is wrong

Because the games run using the Microsoft's O/S. :roll: Uninstall MS XP, 2000 or Vista off of your PC. Now try play those PC games. What?!?! You can't!?!? You need M$'s O/S don't you?. Hence M$ exclusive. ;) If a game is made for he MAC only it would be Apply (Mac) exclusive.

[QUOTE="OldParr"][QUOTE="NerdMan"][QUOTE="OldParr"]

pc is an expansion of the market for console just as console it is for the pc.when pc was createits purpose was not to play games meaning that is not a subsitute.u can do some research about it and ull see.you wanna use it as a gaming device thats fine.u can also use it for other things

NerdMan

Would you care to depart from your downward spiralling circular logic for a moment and explain to me how PC's TODAY don't affect console sales? No really, I want to know how the choice to not buy a console because I (and thousands others I'm sure) own a PC doesn't affect things.

because its a different market

Wow. Brilliant explanation that manages to ignore facts. Top notch, sir.

what facts all u said was opinion.FACT the pc by def is not a gaming device.FACT if the pc is a substitute for a 360 then why it sold 11 milion people knowing that the majority of households got a pc.if pc is use for gaming that could be an opportunity for dev to get profits and expand their market since gaming on pc is quite expensive.so they cover casual gamers and hardcore gamers.just like ford use to be like having aston martins,range rovers,mustangs, and focus

[QUOTE="OldParr"][QUOTE="horrowhip"][QUOTE="OldParr"][QUOTE="NerdMan"][QUOTE="OldParr"][QUOTE="NerdMan"]

Some people can't seem to accept that:

1. The PC counts just as much as any other system in System Wars.
2. The PC platform is not in any way owned by MS. That's like saying the 360 is owned by the company that manufactures all the little plastic pieces. Actually, the % cost for the plastic bits in the 360 is probably similar to the cost of Windows in relation to other PC components.
3. PC's DO affect console hardware and software sales.

horrowhip

i disagree with ur 3 point if it does there is no console

How can you disagree with it? Numerous people have stated the only reason they don't own a 360 is because they have a gaming PC. That's direct, 100% evidence that PC's affect console sales.

i didnt know numerous people was 100% percent evidence

You are an idiot... it IS possible for something to have a small effect... If someone doesn't buy a console because they have a good PC, that means one less person bought a console and that has an effect. It's even more of an effect when you see 50 people say that when they only represent a tiny sliver of the market.

why u calling me an idiot??? right there u lost credibility because u cant keep a debate.all i said that the pc is an expansion of the market.a different market

It's sort of a different market(The fact that it is always ahead of the console market in terms of hardware seperates it, but not by a lot), but it still is the gaming industry and in that way it is the same market. I called you an idiot because evidence is evidence and you were denying that, which makes absolutley no sense...

since when i was denying i said it was an expansion of the market

pc is an expansion of the market for console just as console it is for the pc.when pc was createits purpose was not to play games meaning that is not a subsitute.u can do some research about it and ull see.you wanna use it as a gaming device thats fine.u can also use it for other things

OldParr

PC games existed as far back as the late 1950s and early 60s, virtually every advance in gaming has come from PC or the Arcade (arcades didn't exist for some time and they are now virtually irrelevant). Whether or not PCs were explicitly created for gaming is irrelevant as the very attributes that people used them for also made them well suited for games.

PC games are of course a major revenue source as well...

Microsoft owns the OS that the majority of computers run on so in a way they do because without an OS a computer is nothing.

Also a lot of PC and 360 games get ported back and forth because they are based on the same framework so it's very easy for devs to port between the 2. I think the reason a lot of games are ported from the 360 is because they have a guaranteed hardware base to work with and perfect their game then they just need to go and tune it to support different sets of PC hardware once it is ready.

Unlike the PS3 or Wii where they are not based on the same foundation so it's more work to bring them to the PC.

[QUOTE="OldParr"]

pc is an expansion of the market for console just as console it is for the pc.when pc was createits purpose was not to play games meaning that is not a subsitute.u can do some research about it and ull see.you wanna use it as a gaming device thats fine.u can also use it for other things

Runningflame570

PC games existed as far back as the late 1950s and early 60s, virtually every advance in gaming has come from PC or the Arcade (arcades didn't exist for some time and they are now virtually irrelevant). Whether or not PCs were explicitly created for gaming is irrelevant as the very attributes that people used them for also made them well suited for games.

PC games are of course a major revenue source as well...

the pc was not built for gaming