Microsoft Drops 360's HD Requirements?

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[QUOTE="Brownesque"] This is baloney. 720p is a low resolution for most television sets. I've been playing most of my games at 1280x1024 for years and years now on hardware like the 7800 GS and the 8600 GT, neither of which should be much competition for an Xbox 360, theoretically anyway. Look at games like Gears of War.....annnnd.....uuuummm......Forza 3. Those two games look great at 720p. The fact of the matter is that when you cut the HD resolution and you cut the anti-aliasing, which is apparently par for the course when developers start to cut resolution, the games end up looking ugly as sin, not because of texture quality, not enough framebuffers running simultaneously, not enough HDR, but because the image quality is something more suitable to a 17" 3:4 monitor than it is suitable for a 45 inch Samsung flatscreen. Most of the games running below 720p look ugly as sin. I'd prefer image quality over texture quality since it actually affects your ability to pick a target at a distance or see the objects in front of you. It allows you to see the most important building block of videogames, the geometry, which composes the terrain and character models. So stop supporting the degradation of videogames visual quality just because of your false conceptions about the power of current-gen consoles. They should be more than capable of supporting a 720p signal, and if that's possible, stop trying to push the envelope in terms of texture resolution and how many post-processing techniques you can put on the screen simultaneously and give me something that actually looks good instead of some muddy mess PLUS a thousand blur filters.Brownesque

I that the X360 is stronger than the cards stated, it is just that RAM is the problem, which I think bottlenecks both consoles. Also, are you saying CGI 480P movies look worse than the games on current consoles?

See what portion of your screen that takes up? Now save it to your desktop, open up the screenshot in Microsoft photo viewer, and increase the size it takes up on your screen and see how ugly it looks after you reach a certain scale. That's basically what developers are doing when they release games at lower resolutions and scale them up to the size of your TV.

I have a MAC8). But it looks bad already.

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[QUOTE="Next-Gen-Tec"]Threebabycows

A lot of PS3 games employ needless blur filters, sometimes in addition to Quincunx which already blurs the image and textures. Add that to sub-720p resolution and you have one blurry game. I wish developers would just get with the program and start cutting HDR if they have to to maintain image quality.

Both consoles have different advantages and capacity, we get it, so stop trying to maintain feature parity (Oh, the PS3 version has HDR and a blur filter, too!) and play to each console's strengths. Why is it I can go to town on PC games and get exactly what I want in terms of optimal performance, but these guys can't seem to understand how to make a console game run properly? Sub-720p looks like butt, blur filters are stupid, HDR is unnecessary at best, and Quincunx can go to hell.

TBH, I haven't seen the PS3 really have an advantage over the 360.. Like A.I, physics, etc. Red faction, it runs the same on both platforms(Framerate), but the textures/AA/framebuffer(explosions) are better on 360, they even said they cut optimizations on one platform if it didn't help the other, and I think they cut it from the 360, because why would they not add the optimizations if the PS3 version is already behind?

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[QUOTE="mitu123"] That, and they're bias towards Sony, trust me, I go to that site a lot.mitu123

yup thats why they overrate ps3 exclusives

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

yup thats why they overrate ps3 exclusives

Brownesque

No big deal, graphics are least of my concern when playing games. Games tend to look and run better with Sub HD resolutions anyways(MGS4 comes to mind).djsifer01

[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Their scores are laughable: Folklore a 9.0, Uncharted and Resistance Fall of Man a 9.1, Ratchet and Clank: Tools of Destruction a 9.4, Resistance 2 a 9.5, they can't be serious.mitu123

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[QUOTE="Brownesque"] I really liked Folklore and Ratchet and Clank and Resistance 2 got a 9.0 here. Though, frankly, I liked RFOM more than Resistance 2. Folklore is underrated IMHO. Uncharted is also obviously underrated, and so is RFOM. R&C is only underrated on Gamespot, and the reasons mentioned in the review are flat out ridiculous.Brownesque

Great idea, screw HD. Totally overrated.

[QUOTE="djsifer01"]No big deal, graphics are least of my concern when playing games. Games tend to look and run better with Sub HD resolutions anyways(MGS4 comes to mind).Brownesque

[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Their scores are laughable: Folklore a 9.0, Uncharted and Resistance Fall of Man a 9.1, Ratchet and Clank: Tools of Destruction a 9.4, Resistance 2 a 9.5, they can't be serious.mitu123

[QUOTE="djsifer01"]No big deal, graphics are least of my concern when playing games. Games tend to look and run better with Sub HD resolutions anyways(MGS4 comes to mind).Brownesque

You may consider me blind(my eye sight is 20/40) but even from like 3ft away, I cannot tell the diff between 480p and 640 in halo 3, or really the 480p to 720p in GEOW2.

Great idea, screw HD. Totally overrated.

Jamiemydearx3

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Brownesque"] I really liked Folklore and Ratchet and Clank and Resistance 2 got a 9.0 here. Though, frankly, I liked RFOM more than Resistance 2. Folklore is underrated IMHO. Uncharted is also obviously underrated, and so is RFOM. R&C is only underrated on Gamespot, and the reasons mentioned in the review are flat out ridiculous.djsifer01

[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="djsifer01"]No big deal, graphics are least of my concern when playing games. Games tend to look and run better with Sub HD resolutions anyways(MGS4 comes to mind).Threebabycows

You may consider me blind(my eye sight is 20/40) but even from like 3ft away, I cannot tell the diff between 480p and 640 in halo 3, or really the 480p to 720p in GEOW2.

[QUOTE="djsifer01"][QUOTE="mitu123"] None of those games deserved AAA(definitely not high AAAs), Gamespot was spot on with Uncharted with the score, but for some dumb reasons. The review for R&C was awful, but the score was fair enough. And to me, the only 360 exclusive Gamespot rated too high was Perfect Dark Zero, Halo 3, GRAW, Forza 2 and Gears of War 2 deserved their scores.

mitu123

[QUOTE="Threebabycows"]

[QUOTE="Brownesque"] MGS4 did not have a very good (certainly not a very consistent) framerate and didn't really look all that great, primarily due to the fact that it ran at sub-720p with only temporal 2xAA.Brownesque

You may consider me blind(my eye sight is 20/40) but even from like 3ft away, I cannot tell the diff between 480p and 640 in halo 3, or really the 480p to 720p in GEOW2.

There is still a diff between last gen a this gen, it is HUGE, resolution just seems to be the least important, I am going to get glasses soon lol.

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="djsifer01"]Uncharted was one of the most underrated games of all time IMO. It should be a 9.0 without question.Brownesque

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] Well, yeah, but that's still a bit debatable though I can see why people would give it a 9.0, I think Valkyria Chronicles is more underrated.mitu123

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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="Gta3-fan334"]

Isn't 640 still an HD resolution? :?

Brownesque

Good

It should be the devs dcision whats needed to make their game look the best possible.

.[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"] No. 720 is the minimum. WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

.[QUOTE="Brownesque"] No, it's not. I just showed you games piled on top of games that display at a sub-720p resolution, the majority of which are from third-party publishers and many of which were released years ago, such as PDZ and Call of Duty 3.Brownesque

[QUOTE="Threebabycows"]

[QUOTE="Brownesque"] This is baloney. 720p is a low resolution for most television sets. I've been playing most of my games at 1280x1024 for years and years now on hardware like the 7800 GS and the 8600 GT, neither of which should be much competition for an Xbox 360, theoretically anyway. Look at games like Gears of War.....annnnd.....uuuummm......Forza 3. Those two games look great at 720p. The fact of the matter is that when you cut the HD resolution and you cut the anti-aliasing, which is apparently par for the course when developers start to cut resolution, the games end up looking ugly as sin, not because of texture quality, not enough framebuffers running simultaneously, not enough HDR, but because the image quality is something more suitable to a 17" 3:4 monitor than it is suitable for a 45 inch Samsung flatscreen. Most of the games running below 720p look ugly as sin. I'd prefer image quality over texture quality since it actually affects your ability to pick a target at a distance or see the objects in front of you. It allows you to see the most important building block of videogames, the geometry, which composes the terrain and character models. So stop supporting the degradation of videogames visual quality just because of your false conceptions about the power of current-gen consoles. They should be more than capable of supporting a 720p signal, and if that's possible, stop trying to push the envelope in terms of texture resolution and how many post-processing techniques you can put on the screen simultaneously and give me something that actually looks good instead of some muddy mess PLUS a thousand blur filters.Brownesque

I that the X360 is stronger than the cards stated, it is just that RAM is the problem, which I think bottlenecks both consoles. Also, are you saying CGI 480P movies look worse than the games on current consoles?

See what portion of your screen that takes up? Now save it to your desktop, open up the screenshot in Microsoft photo viewer, and increase the size it takes up on your screen and see how ugly it looks after you reach a certain scale. That's basically what developers are doing when they release games at lower resolutions and scale them up to the size of your TV.

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="Brownesque"] Valkyria scored the same as Mass Effect on the 360 and Fable 2....

Brownesque

People surprised/upset by this are delusional, there never was a 720p standard.

Both 360 and PS3 have a variety of below 720p games, the standard as with most console standards is simply marketing, hell the term "HD" is in itself a made up marketing term.

This only makes sense, 360 is not optimize to handle hdCookigaki

I often wonder what goes through the mind of you people at times...

This only makes sense, 360 is not optimize to handle hdCookigaki

[QUOTE="Cookigaki"]This only makes sense, 360 is not optimize to handle hdAnnoyedDragon

I often wonder what goes through the mind of you people at times...

not much.

I still remember all the fanboys on both sides going on about how 360 games would all be 720p or better, and PS3 games would be 1080p and junk like that. How naive they were.DerekLoffin

People go by the marketing of their console company of preference. They always promise more than what they can offer, hyping sells.

Consoles give the impression that they can guarantee quality standards like 720p/30fps in every game. On paper consoles being fixed platforms mean they could do that, hell they could do 1080p/60fps in every game if they restricted themselves, but you will always get varying development quality or developers who push a game that bit further to one up the competition.

It is why I chucked at the topic, dropping 720p requirements? They never existed in the first place.

It is, in effect, kind of sad that this gen of console games can't support a consistent 1080P (or at least 720P). There are very few native 1080P games out there for consoles, which is sad because they do truly look good. Oh well. There's always next gen to look forward to.

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Great idea, screw HD. Totally overrated.

Brownesque

Totally agree with you.

This reminds me of this article here, talking about it.

It is, in effect, kind of sad that this gen of console games can't support a consistent 1080P (or at least 720P). There are very few native 1080P games out there for consoles, which is sad because they do truly look good. Oh well. There's always next gen to look forward to.

Ryan_Som

While there have been some games that are in 720p, I think that all games should be at native 720p or 1080p for the PS4 & the X-Box 720 (?) next gen, & no less.

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It is, in effect, kind of sad that this gen of console games can't support a consistent 1080P (or at least 720P). There are very few native 1080P games out there for consoles, which is sad because they do truly look good. Oh well. There's always next gen to look forward to.

garland51

While there have been some games that are in 720p, I think that all games should be at native 720p or 1080p for the PS4 & the X-Box 720 (?) next gen, & no less.

[QUOTE="Ryan_Som"]

[QUOTE="JAXX377"]

COD4 and MW2 have sub HD resolutions and I don't hear anyone complaining about those 2 games so I don't think tis is going to have much of an impact as some may think

Brownesque

True. Then again, nobody is praising them for their graphics, either.

Mitu123 before you start calling sites bias look at yourself :roll:Ringx55

Some of you misunderstand Cookigaki post. 360 needs hd-dvd, or blu-ray in order for hd to work well.Cookigaki

Did you just suggest that post DVD disk storage is somehow related to what resolution 360 games support?

Some of you misunderstand Cookigaki post. 360 needs hd-dvd, or blu-ray in order for hd to work well.Cookigaki

If you're talking about movies, then yes, DVD is not a HD format. But for movies you have netflix, and put a film on USB flash storage.

its obvious developers are having a hard time with hd on 360, play b e h i n dtherealnerdd

its obvious developers are having a hard time with hd on 360, play b e h i n dtherealnerdd

You are the second person to make such a silly comment.

Feel free to elaborate on why you think 360 has less support for 720p than PS3, I really want to know.

[QUOTE="therealnerdd"]its obvious developers are having a hard time with hd on 360, play b e h i n dAnnoyedDragon

You are the second person to make such a silly comment.

Feel free to elaborate on why you think 360 has less support for 720p than PS3, I really want to know.

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[QUOTE="therealnerdd"]its obvious developers are having a hard time with hd on 360, play b e h i n dtherealnerdd

You are the second person to make such a silly comment.

Feel free to elaborate on why you think 360 has less support for 720p than PS3, I really want to know.