Microsoft has now ABANDONED their user base 2 generations in a row

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#151 dommeus
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With the original XBox, Microsoft abandoned their user base after only having their console on the market for 4 years. They scrambled to get their next console out before PS3, and ditched their user base on the Xbox.

With Xbox 360, Microsoft released the console knowing it had the RROD. They ended up releasing a product with the highest failure rate in the history of mankind. But atleast they came out swinging, securing 3rd party exclusives like BioShock, Saints Row, Dead Rising. They brought some fresh new IPs to the table like Gears of War and Crackdown. Then they abandoned their user base and went the Kinect route, trying to appeal to soccer moms and casuals. They havent had a fresh new IP in yearsssssss, and havent been releasing many exclusives at all in the past 4-5 years. 

 

What makes you think you can trust them next-gen? 

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I don't care.
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#152 blackace
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[QUOTE="shawn30"]No, they really aren't http://www.vg247.com/2013/02/07/sony-financials-game-profits-down-86-4-in-q3/ The article references Sony's public financials. So no, they are not doing good. Not the gaming division or much anything else. Now I know we can't play sales, so it has nothing to do with game quality. But if were discussing how Sony is doing well the official numbers do not lie. "Sonys report adds that the problem stems from lower sales of hardware and software of the PlayStation 3 and PSP, but that the dip was, partially offset by the sales of the PlayStation Vita since it launched in Japan December 2011.

[QUOTE="shawn30"] I'm not surprised. sony has been treading water ever since the PS3 launched. Two years in a row they had losses in the billions. now they are selling building and stock in other companies just so they can have cash on hand to launch the PS4 and get some 1st party games completed. No telling how much of the money will go into R&D for their television, phone and PC markets. It'll be interesting to see how well the PS4 does at the end of the year. The PSVita hasn't done so well so far and Sony's resistance to drop the price in EU & USA isn't helping.
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#153 Riverwolf007
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]like how cows arguements rely on the -b-b-b-but xbla game, whilst championing journey. If thats not irony then i really do not know what is.FragTycoon

It's the other way around... lems have been denouncing Journey and dismissing it as a download game until they realize that's all they got to look forward to.

So even if you are excited about download games, you have to admit the best download game that took GOTY is on another system.

Lems are...

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i never denounced journey because it was a dl game. i denounced it because you push the d-stick to one side and an hour later the credits roll with no gameplay in between.

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#154 Jack-Burton
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360 has been going 8 years and they haven't even announced another console yet, name me another time that has happened. Seems like they are supporting it plenty. there are still games this year Gears, State of Decay, lococycle etc.
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#155 Heil68
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shame on MS. :(
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#156 Jack-Burton
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shame on MS. :( Heil68
Shame on you
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#157 lundy86_4
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Meh... The 360 gets the  vast  majority of my playtime, nowadays, so I won't complain... Not a big fan of Kinect, though.

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#158 sonic1564
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I wonder if Bill Gates slept with your mother.

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#159 blackace
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I wonder if Bill Gates slept with your mother.

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I wish he slept with my mother. I'd be a millionaire right now and wouldn't be working this 12hr a day job. lol!!
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#160 sonic1564
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[QUOTE="sonic1564"]

I wonder if Bill Gates slept with your mother.

blackace

I wish he slept with my mother. I'd be a millionaire right now and wouldn't be working this 12hr a day job. lol!!

Me too, but a man can dream.

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#161 FragTycoon
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[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]like how cows arguements rely on the -b-b-b-but xbla game, whilst championing journey. If thats not irony then i really do not know what is.Riverwolf007

It's the other way around... lems have been denouncing Journey and dismissing it as a download game until they realize that's all they got to look forward to.

So even if you are excited about download games, you have to admit the best download game that took GOTY is on another system.

Lems are...

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i never denounced journey because it was a dl game. i denounced it because you push the d-stick to one side and an hour later the credits roll with no gameplay in between.

Why would someone say something like that about a game they probably never played?

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#162 osirisx3
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[QUOTE="osirisx3"]

Microsoft ruins everything they touch. One reason why i don't want to buy a new gaming pc is because it will run windows. Win 7 is just vista ligth with a new task bar and windows 8 is just awful on a desktop. It also makes rigs 100$ more expensive and thats not counting tax.

There system should have been recalled with the RROD. Paying for live is a scam!

blackace

LMAO!! Windows 7 is actually very good. Windows 8 is a train wreck though. No one is forcing you to pay for XBox Live. EA is the company that ruins everything they touch. Bioware will never be the same. The founders of Bioware have already left EA. lol!! Microsoft offered to fix every XBox 360 with RROD for free. Most companies (cough Sony) wouldn't even think of doing that. Sony actually blamed the gamers for the DRE that plagued the PS2. I won't even go into the crappy PS1 and it's many problems.

 

i disagree its not thing amazing at all. Its not that bad but it does nothing impressive.

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#163 ImBatman-
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Typical MS, shame on you. Sony and gamers around the world will teach them a lesson with the PS4. Go games, go Sony, go PS4!

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#165 Speedzilla
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M$ should abandon gaming next...would be for the best. *fingers crossed*

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#166 Murderstyle75
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Just one exclusive this year is a bit pathetic, Microsoft usually end up announcing games later on in the year though.

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Probably another Halo spinoff and another bad Fable now that Lionheads new studio manager is a Kinect developer.
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#167 ReadingRainbow4
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I can't believe some people here are hyped for gears, it looks truly terrible.

I guess when all you have is scraps, you have to make do.

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#168 Heil68
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[QUOTE="Heil68"]shame on MS. :( Jack-Burton
Shame on you

I know, buying a 360 wasn't a good idea. :(
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#169 KiZZo1
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[QUOTE="Stringerboy"]

Just one exclusive this year is a bit pathetic, Microsoft usually end up announcing games later on in the year though.

Murderstyle75

Probably another Halo spinoff and another bad Fable now that Lionheads new studio manager is a Kinect developer.

Shhhh ... that's NextBox's launch lineup ... top secret stuff

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#170 KiZZo1
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I can't believe some people here are hyped for gears, it looks truly terrible.

I guess when all you have is scraps, you have to make do.

ReadingRainbow4

I don't think even lems are hyped ... but they gotta save face ... and they got nothing else.

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#171 casharmy
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I can't believe some people here are hyped for gears, it looks truly terrible.

I guess when all you have is scraps, you have to make do.

ReadingRainbow4

Mmmm Dem scraps..020_1.gif

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#172 FinalFighters
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well they dont call them "Lemmings" for nothing..Lems are known for being stupid animals.
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#173 freedomfreak
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People hating on Arcade. For shame.
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#176 casharmy
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People hating on Arcade. For shame.freedomfreak
I never hated on it, it's a great addition to a gaming system...but it shouldn't rely on it

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#177 ImBatman-
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[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="Jack-Burton"] Shame on you Stringerboy

I know, buying a 360 wasn't a good idea. :(

Then why don't you sell it?

He can't sell crap to someone else. He must burn it.

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#178 casharmy
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[QUOTE="Stringerboy"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] I know, buying a 360 wasn't a good idea. :( ImBatman-

Then why don't you sell it?

He can't sell crap to someone else. He must burn it.

Seriously how much could he get for a used 360?  If I could even get $50 for mine I'd get rid of it in a heart beat.

*edit*

:P on second thought I'll probably keep it as a reminder...

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#180 Heil68
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[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="Jack-Burton"] Shame on you Stringerboy

I know, buying a 360 wasn't a good idea. :(

Then why don't you sell it?

I dont know many kids under 12 or people over 70.
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#181 freedomfreak
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]People hating on Arcade. For shame.casharmy

I never hated on it, it's a great addition to a gaming system...but it shouldn't rely on it

"Great" doesn't describe the divine service that is Godcade.
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#182 TheXFiles88
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[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

The problem with Microsoft is they want to please everyone (Hardcore and Casual). It is extremely difficult to do that successfully without alienating one side or the other. Stick to one side, for example, Sony. Sony has stated over and over again that the PS4 is for gamers, which I think is the right move to make.

shawn30

Anyone or thing can do more than one thing at one time. Right now my 360 seems to play casual and core games very well. 720 will too. I just don't understand how its hard to make core games and casual. People get to caught up in titles. Video games are my hobby. I'm a gamer. But I don't eat the same food everyday and I don't want to play the same type of game everyday. Thankgoodness MS gets that. think its the right move to make.

You know what, the Wonderbook has served Cows so well during the drought year that they are now labeled it as "CORE" too...:P

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#183 Magescrew
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If anything the original Xbox wasn't "abandoned" until 2007 or whatever the year was when vanilla Xbox Live was shut down. I don't see that happening with the 360 any time soon since the 720 will be using most of the existing infrastructure.
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#184 casharmy
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[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]People hating on Arcade. For shame.freedomfreak

I never hated on it, it's a great addition to a gaming system...but it shouldn't rely on it

"Great" doesn't describe the divine service that is Godcade.

Sorry I lost my religion, all I have left is vengeancegod_of_war_ascension_gif_8_by_sonicx2011

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#186 nextgenjoke
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They did? So my Gear of War Judgement pre-order for the 18th is fake?

timbers_WSU
Who cares about gears of war at this point? It's not even made the best original developer and it's actually getting less advertising because of it. it'a a pretty low on the radar game.
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#187 nextgenjoke
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="casharmy"]I never hated on it, it's a great addition to a gaming system...but it shouldn't rely on it

casharmy

"Great" doesn't describe the divine service that is Godcade.

Sorry I lost my religion, all I have left is vengeancegod_of_war_ascension_gif_8_by_sonicx2011

See that's why god of war sucks he's not actually aiming the knife and pressing a button to stab that dude your just watching a cutscene scripted crap. that's not gameplay.
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#188 freedomfreak
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Hi nextgenjoke :D
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#189 casharmy
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[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"] "Great" doesn't describe the divine service that is Godcade.nextgenjoke

Sorry I lost my religion, all I have left is vengeancegod_of_war_ascension_gif_8_by_sonicx2011

See that's why god of war sucks he's not actually aiming the knife and pressing a button to stab that dude your just watching a cutscene scripted crap. that's not gameplay.

cry more

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It is a thing of amazement how cows tell 360 fans what games they don't have, how they suck with the games they do have, and that the 720 will be the Kinectbox, lol. I've never, ever seen a group of people trying to tell people who enjoy a product they have that they really don't. Especially when they don't like the product themselves, lol. Cows are the most amazing group of insane people ever, lol. God bless you guys, you're hilarious!

Again though, MS has treated its core fans very well, and the evidence of that is in their big market share this gen, their Xbox live gold membeship which is over half the 76 million systrems sold, and the game sales of its best series Halo, Gears, and Forza to ma degree. Their multiplats tend to sell more as well. So while cows want to tell 360 owners what they have, don't have, and why it sucks the evidence shows MS fans are clearly satisfied. As a core gamer with a household that enjoys both core and casual, I'm fine with the 360 and looking forward to the 720 :)

I shall await the damage control and butthurt commenst to follow, lol. Coiws Gonna Cow :)

shawn30

You make no sense. How does being charged for online equate to "being treated very well"?

SONY on the other hand, was handing out $ vouchers to PSN/PS Store users (I was one of them). Sort of a kick back. THAT is an example of being treated well!

Did MS do the same thing?

To have to pay to access Netflix? That is just plain wrong.

And no, MS fans as a whole are not satisfied. It is MS fans' gripes about the last two years that PS3 players caught wind of that they're just repeating.

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#191 ReadingRainbow4
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:lol:

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

I can't believe some people here are hyped for gears, it looks truly terrible.

I guess when all you have is scraps, you have to make do.

casharmy

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#192 IFBB-PRO
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Only for lems since they have no games. For cows there's still much left.

Unfortunately no one cares because we are getting new consoles. When the 360 was getting AAA game after AAA games PS3 fans were saying "just wait". Now that this generation has come to an end the PS3 is finally comparable to the 360 and its 6 years too late.

Real gamers care since we like games. Lems on the other hand they like sales more than games so I understand why they don't care that they don't have games.

Oh really? Since ps3 fans love games so much lets check top 20 sales chart for past 24 to 36 months and see which console had most game sales ? If 360 fans has nothing to play then why is it that they have higher attach game ratio and more games on top 20 chart on monthly basis. Do yourself a favore and go check history!
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#193 mtron32
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[QUOTE="shawn30"]

It is a thing of amazement how cows tell 360 fans what games they don't have, how they suck with the games they do have, and that the 720 will be the Kinectbox, lol. I've never, ever seen a group of people trying to tell people who enjoy a product they have that they really don't. Especially when they don't like the product themselves, lol. Cows are the most amazing group of insane people ever, lol. God bless you guys, you're hilarious!

Again though, MS has treated its core fans very well, and the evidence of that is in their big market share this gen, their Xbox live gold membeship which is over half the 76 million systrems sold, and the game sales of its best series Halo, Gears, and Forza to ma degree. Their multiplats tend to sell more as well. So while cows want to tell 360 owners what they have, don't have, and why it sucks the evidence shows MS fans are clearly satisfied. As a core gamer with a household that enjoys both core and casual, I'm fine with the 360 and looking forward to the 720 :)

I shall await the damage control and butthurt commenst to follow, lol. Coiws Gonna Cow :)

Benny_Blakk

You make no sense. How does being charged for online equate to "being treated very well"?

SONY on the other hand, was handing out $ vouchers to PSN/PS Store users (I was one of them). Sort of a kick back. THAT is an example of being treated well!

Did MS do the same thing?

To have to pay to access Netflix? That is just plain wrong.

And no, MS fans as a whole are not satisfied. It is MS fans' gripes about the last two years that PS3 players caught wind of that they're just repeating.

you get what you pay for, online with PSN is unplayable while XBL is usually pretty reliable. Plus, about 85% of my actual friends are XBL subscribers while my PSN friends list is comprised of 3 people.
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#194 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="IFBB-PRO"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"] Unfortunately no one cares because we are getting new consoles. When the 360 was getting AAA game after AAA games PS3 fans were saying "just wait". Now that this generation has come to an end the PS3 is finally comparable to the 360 and its 6 years too late.

Real gamers care since we like games. Lems on the other hand they like sales more than games so I understand why they don't care that they don't have games.

Oh really? Since ps3 fans love games so much lets check top 20 sales chart for past 24 to 36 months and see which console had most game sales ? If 360 fans has nothing to play then why is it that they have higher attach game ratio and more games on top 20 chart on monthly basis. Do yourself a favore and go check history!

Easy answer. Since 360 owners have so few games they'll naturally buy only those. On the contrary PS3 owners have such a big selection that they can't focus on just one or two games like lems. It's called variety.
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#195 kuraimen
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PSN is unplayablemtron32
Lol another lem trying to justify getting ripped off. Funny how lems can never show this. All they have to do is show how no one plays on PSn since it's unplayable or how every game on Live plays better or has less lag than on PSN. But they can't prove it because it's not true. P2P connections work the same.
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#196 clone01
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Yea, 1 game for the whole year and the HYPE for it is what A? :( Heil68
I'm pretty sure more than 1 game came out for the 360 in a year.
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#197 locopatho
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[QUOTE="mtron32"]PSN is unplayablekuraimen
Lol another lem trying to justify getting ripped off. Funny how lems can never show this. All they have to do is show how no one plays on PSn since it's unplayable or how every game on Live plays better or has less lag than on PSN. But they can't prove it because it's not true. P2P connections work the same.

Lie.
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#198 stayhigh1
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With the original XBox, Microsoft abandoned their user base after only having their console on the market for 4 years. They scrambled to get their next console out before PS3, and ditched their user base on the Xbox.

With Xbox 360, Microsoft released the console knowing it had the RROD. They ended up releasing a product with the highest failure rate in the history of mankind. But atleast they came out swinging, securing 3rd party exclusives like BioShock, Saints Row, Dead Rising. They brought some fresh new IPs to the table like Gears of War and Crackdown. Then they abandoned their user base and went the Kinect route, trying to appeal to soccer moms and casuals. They havent had a fresh new IP in yearsssssss, and havent been releasing many exclusives at all in the past 4-5 years. 

 

What makes you think you can trust them next-gen? 

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It be really stupid for anyone to buy the xbox720 during launch..Just knowing the 360 have 55 percent failure rate should make everybody feel very concern to purchase a gaming console from Microsoft..... Everybody need to come into terms that MS will not get any more 3rd party exclusivity unless its contents and they not willing to invest their money on new IP games... Sony really made sure of that, by working with gamers and developers..PS4 looks like they will completely dominate next gen.. All Sony have to do is keep killing MS with all the first party games and bring great services to their fans and they will be on top..
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#199 stayhigh1
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[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="shawn30"] Why do you keep saying we have no games? I'm just not getting it. We got Forza Horizon and Halo 4 last fall, we're getting Gears of War: Judgement in a few weeks, we have tons of multiplats to play, a 720 announcement to look forward to, and we've yet to see what E3 will hold. I know we don't have a ton of exclusives, but judging by sales exclusives just aren't as big a deal as you think. Otherwise the PS3 would be dominating the States instead of losing for the last 15 months. It only took them 6 years to catch the 360. It just sucks for them that the year they do is the year MS moves on to their next console :) Cows, why doesn't the world care so much about your exclusives that they start buying PS3 in such large numbers there's no doubt it eclipses the 360? Surely if they had, with the arrogance Sony is known for, a full on press release would have been released. But sadly it has not. So is Sony now humble and just don't want to admit they leapfrogged an opponent they have battled for 6 years? Do you truly believe that? How much logic must we leap to become a cow? :) At the end of the day I can't play numbers, market share, or operating costs. What I play are games. And for me, the MS core and casual games are servicing me just well. :)blackace

2013 ps3

  • The Last of Us
  • God of War: Ascension
  • Dust 514
  • Beyond: Two Souls
  • Ni no Kuni
  • Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time
  • Tales of Xillia
  • The Witch and the Hundred Knights
  • Puppeteer
  • Atelier Ayesha: The Alchemist of Twilight Land
  • Until Dawn
  • Hyperdemsion Neptunia Victory
  • MLB 13: The Show

For xbox, look at all that awesome XBLA games :lol:

  • Gears of War: Judgment
  • Dark
  • Deadfall Adventures
  • Ascend: New Gods (XBLA)
  • Monaco: What's Yours is Mine (XBLA)
  • Double Dragon II: Wander of the Dragons (XBLA)
  • State of Decay (XBLA)
  • Crimson Dragon (XBLA)
  • Matter (XBLA)
  • LocoCycle (XBLA)
  • Skulls of the Shogun (XBLA)

Who cares. Most of the PS3 exclusives last year FLOPPED. Exclusives are not the most important thing on a game console. Especially if they suck. The last 3 Xbox 360 exclusives of 2012 were excellent games and NONE of them flopped. (Halo 3, Forza Horizon and Dance Central 3). The XBox 360 have over 900 games on it. So 900+ games = no games. LMAO!! Bunch of idiots.

Lemmings have some mental problems . Lets be real the only reason why the PS3 exclusive games sucks to you lemming is because its not on your system.. Seriously even i give respect to gears of war...All of Sony exclusive games average a good score..Sony still have to release The Last of us and Beyond 2 souls and we all know that these two games will be AAA ..

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#200 drakekratos
Member since 2011 • 2311 Posts

Lems really do have battered women syndrome.

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LOL solidrev invented that one