Microsoft has now ABANDONED their user base 2 generations in a row

[QUOTE="mtron32"]PSN is unplayablekuraimen

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"] This generation is overyou moron. The 360 released the most and best games WHEN IT ACTUALLY MATTERED. Besides the 360 has a bigger higher rated games library than the PS3 and released more high scoring games last year. So far this year they are tied.Miketheman83

so is thie the new excuse pathetic lems are using now? thats why ps3 will release like 4 awesome exclusives this year even though they already presented the ps4? sad :(

xbox has nothing but multiplats (best played on pc) i don't see why anyone should bother with it, games that are also on ps3 which also include huge number of exclusives (do xbots know what does that mean?)

But the DUMBEST thing you've said is "this gen (7th) is over". I suppose that means you've been getting your "hardcore" gaming on the "720" for some time now? Sorry buddy, but neither company has actually revealed their next console. The only thing that matters is the cash exchange and customer satisfaction. You can log 3 billion hours on Halo and it won't change that fact.

Now say this gen is "over", as you put it. PS3 would be most remember for coming on strong with more and better titles late, being tricky to dev for, but being a piece of entertainment tech of great versatility, value and quality.

360 would be most remembered for having more games early, and the worse failure rate in manufacturing history.

So who really won?

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="mtron32"]PSN is unplayablemtron32

[QUOTE="mtron32"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Lol another lem trying to justify getting ripped off. Funny how lems can never show this. All they have to do is show how no one plays on PSn since it's unplayable or how every game on Live plays better or has less lag than on PSN. But they can't prove it because it's not true. P2P connections work the same.DrTrafalgarLaw

he just said one service has this problem and the other doesn't, or at least isn't as noticeable.

so I don't think your reply is valid

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="mtron32"] I play SF4 and Marvel on both systems (tournaments run PS3). I have never gotten a clean connection over PSN while I can play XBL for hours with no issue, try again sport. rilpas

he just said one service has this problem and the other doesn't, or at least isn't as noticeable.

so I don't think your reply is valid

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Don't blaim the 56k infrastructure in america son. I connect to west-coast from all the way from Europe just fine in (Ultimate) Marvel.DrTrafalgarLaw

he just said one service has this problem and the other doesn't, or at least isn't as noticeable.

so I don't think your reply is valid

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="mtron32"]PSN is unplayablemtron32

what a coincidence..they abandoned their user base 4 years after the 360 released as wellcampzor

I can't believe some people here are hyped for gears, it looks truly terrible.

I guess when all you have is scraps, you have to make do.

ReadingRainbow4

Because there's certainly no reason to be hyped for a new entry into one of the best new franchises of the generation.

Have fun with God of War Ascension.

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Don't blaim the 56k infrastructure in america son. I connect to west-coast from all the way from Europe just fine in (Ultimate) Marvel.DrTrafalgarLaw

he just said one service has this problem and the other doesn't, or at least isn't as noticeable.

so I don't think your reply is valid

No, they really aren't http://www.vg247.com/2013/02/07/sony-financials-game-profits-down-86-4-in-q3/ The article references Sony's public financials. So no, they are not doing good. Not the gaming division or much anything else. Now I know we can't play sales, so it has nothing to do with game quality. But if were discussing how Sony is doing well the official numbers do not lie. "Sonys report adds that the problem stems from lower sales of hardware and software of the PlayStation 3 and PSP, but that the dip was, partially offset by the sales of the PlayStation Vita since it launched in Japan December 2011.shawn30

"However, Sonys game department saw an operating cost decrease due to the, decrease in sales of PS3 software and PSP hardware. '

The article is about profit reduction which would make sense if your operations (i.e. manufacturing) reduced. The article is not about net loss, but rather (in simple terms) explains how lower cost for smaller scale operations typically will result in lower profits. And it makes sense that sales would slow at this point with 1: approaching an end of a gen cycle and 2: the pending announcement of the next get console. But in the end, they're still netting a profit.

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

so is thie the new excuse pathetic lems are using now? thats why ps3 will release like 4 awesome exclusives this year even though they already presented the ps4? sad :(

xbox has nothing but multiplats (best played on pc) i don't see why anyone should bother with it, games that are also on ps3 which also include huge number of exclusives (do xbots know what does that mean?)

Benny_Blakk

But the DUMBEST thing you've said is "this gen (7th) is over". I suppose that means you've been getting your "hardcore" gaming on the "720" for some time now? Sorry buddy, but neither company has actually revealed their next console. The only thing that matters is the cash exchange and customer satisfaction. You can log 3 billion hours on Halo and it won't change that fact.

Now say this gen is "over", as you put it. PS3 would be most remember for coming on strong with more and better titles late, being tricky to dev for, but being a piece of entertainment tech of great versatility, value and quality.

360 would be most remembered for having more games early, and the worse failure rate in manufacturing history.

So who really won?

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Don't blaim the 56k infrastructure in america son. I connect to west-coast from all the way from Europe just fine in (Ultimate) Marvel.DrTrafalgarLaw

he just said one service has this problem and the other doesn't, or at least isn't as noticeable.

so I don't think your reply is valid

[QUOTE="Benny_Blakk"]

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"] Like I said last year the Xbox had more high scoring hardcore games than the PS3. This year so far it's tied.I'm not sure what you people don't understand about that. If the Xbox doesn't have any games than the PS3 is even worse because it has less. You guys are trying to win a war that's already over. PS3 lost in sales, games and critical reception. It's over.WilliamRLBaker

But the DUMBEST thing you've said is "this gen (7th) is over". I suppose that means you've been getting your "hardcore" gaming on the "720" for some time now? Sorry buddy, but neither company has actually revealed their next console. The only thing that matters is the cash exchange and customer satisfaction. You can log 3 billion hours on Halo and it won't change that fact.

Now say this gen is "over", as you put it. PS3 would be most remember for coming on strong with more and better titles late, being tricky to dev for, but being a piece of entertainment tech of great versatility, value and quality.

360 would be most remembered for having more games early, and the worse failure rate in manufacturing history.

So who really won?

Oh willy, willy you never learn !

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

he just said one service has this problem and the other doesn't, or at least isn't as noticeable.

so I don't think your reply is valid

locopatho

[QUOTE="Benny_Blakk"]

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"] Like I said last year the Xbox had more high scoring hardcore games than the PS3. This year so far it's tied.I'm not sure what you people don't understand about that. If the Xbox doesn't have any games than the PS3 is even worse because it has less. You guys are trying to win a war that's already over. PS3 lost in sales, games and critical reception. It's over.WilliamRLBaker

But the DUMBEST thing you've said is "this gen (7th) is over". I suppose that means you've been getting your "hardcore" gaming on the "720" for some time now? Sorry buddy, but neither company has actually revealed their next console. The only thing that matters is the cash exchange and customer satisfaction. You can log 3 billion hours on Halo and it won't change that fact.

Now say this gen is "over", as you put it. PS3 would be most remember for coming on strong with more and better titles late, being tricky to dev for, but being a piece of entertainment tech of great versatility, value and quality.

360 would be most remembered for having more games early, and the worse failure rate in manufacturing history.

So who really won?

Pure conjecture, adds nothing to the discussion, and that would change what exactly?

There are MANY links you can search and read on the sales, but MS loyalists don't care to look up information that will force them to surrender their tunnel vision, if even for a minute. Here is ONE

http://www.itworld.com/personal-tech/335129/idc-total-ps3-sales-top-xbox-360

"The estimations by IDC are in line with recent sales figures released by the companies. Microsoft has said that as of September 2012 it sold 70 million units of its gaming device, while Sony has announced it sold 70.2 million. Nintendo sold over 97 million Wii units through the same month."

It is fact that 360 had no wifi NOR HDMI (which is really stupid considering they knew HD was the wave of the future. Kind of "forced" you into having to buy another iteration in the future. "Yay Microsoft". That was "brilliant". Really!)

I still have my original 60gb with full B/C. If you were intent on B/C, you were free to buy those models and still can buy them second hand. B/C is hardly a tech faux pas as excluding a no brainer as HDMI. Outside of that, every single feature you mention are for cost cutting and don't take away from the gaming experience in anway.

As you so elaborately detailed, 360 "upgraded", so the same person bought exactly how many to finally be bought up to speed? It is fact (not opinion) that from a tech and hardware standpoint that MS was playing catchup. So not only has it sold less, but the total sales don't even reflect userbase because millions purchased more than one! Again, fact, not opinion.

And no, 360 does not have higher variety of games. That's a stupid comment because both cover all the same genres.

The icing on the cake: I still have the original 60gb I bought on day one. How many 360's did you go through, either from the RROD (which cost MS about $4 Billion dollars, due to an unprecendented failure rate that you MS suck ups conveniently "forget") or to FINALLY get basics such as HDMI and Wifi?

Well?

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="shawn30"] Why do you keep saying we have no games? I'm just not getting it. We got Forza Horizon and Halo 4 last fall, we're getting Gears of War: Judgement in a few weeks, we have tons of multiplats to play, a 720 announcement to look forward to, and we've yet to see what E3 will hold. I know we don't have a ton of exclusives, but judging by sales exclusives just aren't as big a deal as you think. Otherwise the PS3 would be dominating the States instead of losing for the last 15 months. It only took them 6 years to catch the 360. It just sucks for them that the year they do is the year MS moves on to their next console :) Cows, why doesn't the world care so much about your exclusives that they start buying PS3 in such large numbers there's no doubt it eclipses the 360? Surely if they had, with the arrogance Sony is known for, a full on press release would have been released. But sadly it has not. So is Sony now humble and just don't want to admit they leapfrogged an opponent they have battled for 6 years? Do you truly believe that? How much logic must we leap to become a cow? :) At the end of the day I can't play numbers, market share, or operating costs. What I play are games. And for me, the MS core and casual games are servicing me just well. :)blackace

2013 ps3

• The Last of Us
• God of War: Ascension
• Dust 514
• Beyond: Two Souls
• Ni no Kuni
• Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time
• Tales of Xillia
• The Witch and the Hundred Knights
• Puppeteer
• Atelier Ayesha: The Alchemist of Twilight Land
• Until Dawn
• Hyperdemsion Neptunia Victory
• MLB 13: The Show

For xbox, look at all that awesome XBLA games :lol:

• Gears of War: Judgment
• Dark
• Deadfall Adventures
• Ascend: New Gods (XBLA)
• Monaco: What's Yours is Mine (XBLA)
• Double Dragon II: Wander of the Dragons (XBLA)
• State of Decay (XBLA)
• Crimson Dragon (XBLA)
• Matter (XBLA)
• LocoCycle (XBLA)
• Skulls of the Shogun (XBLA)

He list a lot of crappy jrpgs, Movie game, PSN games, and a Free to Play game on the PS3 side! :lol:

[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

2013 ps3

• The Last of Us
• God of War: Ascension
• Dust 514
• Beyond: Two Souls
• Ni no Kuni
• Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time
• Tales of Xillia
• The Witch and the Hundred Knights
• Puppeteer
• Atelier Ayesha: The Alchemist of Twilight Land
• Until Dawn
• Hyperdemsion Neptunia Victory
• MLB 13: The Show

For xbox, look at all that awesome XBLA games :lol:

• Gears of War: Judgment
• Dark
• Deadfall Adventures
• Ascend: New Gods (XBLA)
• Monaco: What's Yours is Mine (XBLA)
• Double Dragon II: Wander of the Dragons (XBLA)
• State of Decay (XBLA)
• Crimson Dragon (XBLA)
• Matter (XBLA)
• LocoCycle (XBLA)
• Skulls of the Shogun (XBLA)

xhawk27

He list a lot of crappy jrpgs, Movie game, PSN games, and a Free to Play game on the PS3 side! :lol:

Remove the visor, drone !

[QUOTE="mtron32"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Anecdotes FTL. Prove it Lem, with actual data. If it is a generalized problem it should be easy even an 8 yo could do it why can't you?kuraimen

PS3 is favored in tornaments which is the reason I play on it.  Also, I haven't touched a regular dual shock or 360 controller in months, I have a dual modded joystick for PS360 little man.  Fighting game fans play both systems homie, no loyalty in the realm.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="mtron32"] It's a pretty common problem among fighting game enthusiast that the PSN connection (and skill level) is trash, I don't know anyone that can put up with a PSN connection and get a decent frame rate and I know a LOT of fighters. Even the slightest lag makes a fighting game unplayable, so either play local which gives you better competition anyway, or play XBL. Good enough competition with an excellent connection.mtron32

PS3 is favored in tornaments which is the reason I play on it.  Also, I haven't touched a regular dual shock or 360 controller in months, I have a dual modded joystick for PS360 little man.  Fighting game fans play both systems homie, no loyalty in the realm.

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Don't blaim the 56k infrastructure in america son. I connect to west-coast from all the way from Europe just fine in (Ultimate) Marvel.DrTrafalgarLaw

he just said one service has this problem and the other doesn't, or at least isn't as noticeable.

so I don't think your reply is valid

so what does that make me? I don't much care for PSN and I own a Ps3 and live in Europe

and the download speeds are faster on Xbox live for me

[QUOTE="mtron32"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Oh really? Is that why ps3 players beat 360 players on tournaments? http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/01/12/ces-2009-who-won-the-street-fighter-iv-event/ See why you should use actual data and not anecdotes? And lol at you playing fighting games on a 360 with that sh1tty controller. No self respectable fighting fan plays on that crap. You're a joke until proven the contrary, meaning after you provide evidence of your ridiculous statements.kuraimen

PS3 is favored in tornaments which is the reason I play on it.  Also, I haven't touched a regular dual shock or 360 controller in months, I have a dual modded joystick for PS360 little man.  Fighting game fans play both systems homie, no loyalty in the realm.

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

he just said one service has this problem and the other doesn't, or at least isn't as noticeable.

so I don't think your reply is valid

rilpas

so what does that make me? I don't much care for PSN and I own a Ps3 and live in Europe

and the download speeds are faster on Xbox live for me

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="mtron32"] It's a pretty common problem among fighting game enthusiast that the PSN connection (and skill level) is trash,I don't know anyone that can put up with a PSN connection and get a decent frame rate and I know a LOT of fighters. Even the slightest lag makes a fighting game unplayable, so either play local which gives you better competition anyway, or play XBL. Good enough competition with an excellent connection.mtron32

PS3 is favored in tornaments which is the reason I play on it.  Also, I haven't touched a regular dual shock or 360 controller in months, I have a dual modded joystick for PS360 little man.  Fighting game fans play both systems homie, no loyalty in the realm.

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

I can't believe some people here are hyped for gears, it looks truly terrible.

I guess when all you have is scraps, you have to make do.

The_Game21x

Because there's certainly no reason to be hyped for a new entry into one of the best new franchises of the generation.

Have fun with God of War Ascension.

Sorry, I can't stop laughing.

truly, that was comedic genius.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

I can't believe some people here are hyped for gears, it looks truly terrible.

I guess when all you have is scraps, you have to make do.

ReadingRainbow4

Because there's certainly no reason to be hyped for a new entry into one of the best new franchises of the generation.

Have fun with God of War Ascension.

Sorry, I can't stop laughing.

truly, that was comedic genius.

Naughty Dog: 'Gritty Xbox Shooters' Shaped Uncharted

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1063301/naughty_dog_gritty_xbox_shooters_shaped_uncharted.html

Uncharted would be a totally different game with Gears Of War, it would seem.

Published on Sep 21, 2011

Uncharted has become the series it is today thanks to Sony feeling pressure from the success of Xbox with its 'gritty shooters', an ex-Naughty Dog developer has revealed.

Talking exclusively to Play, Don Poole, former Environment Modeller at Naughty Dog, explains how Uncharted: Drake's Fortune was originally a 'fantasy' game until orders came from Sony to make it more 'realistic'.

"We were talking about a more 'realistic' game in terms of how it was modelled and rendered but the concepts were much more far out. One was a forest world where the antagonists lived underground," explained Poole. 

"It had elements of Tolkien in for sure. Sony kept pushing for a more realistic game in all respects. The market had changed a lot by then. The demographic was older and gritty shooters were really dominating. Sony wanted very much to get into that market share, it pushed all of its developers in this direction."

"So the big push from Sony, not just at Naughty Dog but at all of Sony's development companies at the time, was to craft games for PlayStation 3 that were much more realistic. The pressure from Xbox's success with gritty shooters was a very real force on our direction at that time."

We had a lot of internal grumbling about the realist bent. More of the old dogs were from the Crash and Jak era and preferred that more whimsical style. But alas, that was a losing battle."

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Because there's certainly no reason to be hyped for a new entry into one of the best new franchises of the generation.

Have fun with God of War Ascension.

StrongDeadlift

Sorry, I can't stop laughing.

truly, that was comedic genius.

Naughty Dog: 'Gritty Xbox Shooters' Shaped Uncharted

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1063301/naughty_dog_gritty_xbox_shooters_shaped_uncharted.html

Uncharted would be a totally different game with Gears Of War, it would seem.

Published on Sep 21, 2011

Uncharted has become the series it is today thanks to Sony feeling pressure from the success of Xbox with its 'gritty shooters', an ex-Naughty Dog developer has revealed.

Talking exclusively to Play, Don Poole, former Environment Modeller at Naughty Dog, explains how Uncharted: Drake's Fortune was originally a 'fantasy' game until orders came from Sony to make it more 'realistic'.

"We were talking about a more 'realistic' game in terms of how it was modelled and rendered but the concepts were much more far out. One was a forest world where the antagonists lived underground," explained Poole.

"It had elements of Tolkien in for sure. Sony kept pushing for a more realistic game in all respects. The market had changed a lot by then. The demographic was older and gritty shooters were really dominating. Sony wanted very much to get into that market share, it pushed all of its developers in this direction."

"So the big push from Sony, not just at Naughty Dog but at all of Sony's development companies at the time, was to craft games for PlayStation 3 that were much more realistic. The pressure from Xbox's success with gritty shooters was a very real force on our direction at that time."

We had a lot of internal grumbling about the realist bent. More of the old dogs were from the Crash and Jak era and preferred that more whimsical style. But alas, that was a losing battle."

since when is it a bad thing to improve on that stale and drab gameplay? :?

another meaningless thread by drakekratos. 

THE_Rob_Himself

They did? So my Gear of War Judgement pre-order for the 18th is fake?

timbers_WSU

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Because there's certainly no reason to be hyped for a new entry into one of the best new franchises of the generation.

Have fun with God of War Ascension.

StrongDeadlift

Sorry, I can't stop laughing.

truly, that was comedic genius.

Naughty Dog: 'Gritty Xbox Shooters' Shaped Uncharted

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1063301/naughty_dog_gritty_xbox_shooters_shaped_uncharted.html

Uncharted would be a totally different game with Gears Of War, it would seem.

Published on Sep 21, 2011

Uncharted has become the series it is today thanks to Sony feeling pressure from the success of Xbox with its 'gritty shooters', an ex-Naughty Dog developer has revealed.

Talking exclusively to Play, Don Poole, former Environment Modeller at Naughty Dog, explains how Uncharted: Drake's Fortune was originally a 'fantasy' game until orders came from Sony to make it more 'realistic'.

"We were talking about a more 'realistic' game in terms of how it was modelled and rendered but the concepts were much more far out. One was a forest world where the antagonists lived underground," explained Poole. 

"It had elements of Tolkien in for sure. Sony kept pushing for a more realistic game in all respects. The market had changed a lot by then. The demographic was older and gritty shooters were really dominating. Sony wanted very much to get into that market share, it pushed all of its developers in this direction."

"So the big push from Sony, not just at Naughty Dog but at all of Sony's development companies at the time, was to craft games for PlayStation 3 that were much more realistic. The pressure from Xbox's success with gritty shooters was a very real force on our direction at that time."

We had a lot of internal grumbling about the realist bent. More of the old dogs were from the Crash and Jak era and preferred that more whimsical style. But alas, that was a losing battle."

Cows gonna cow.

[QUOTE="timbers_WSU"]

They did? So my Gear of War Judgement pre-order for the 18th is fake?

wasted_wisdom

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="mtron32"]

 

PS3 is favored in tornaments which is the reason I play on it.  Also, I haven't touched a regular dual shock or 360 controller in months, I have a dual modded joystick for PS360 little man.  Fighting game fans play both systems homie, no loyalty in the realm.

mtron32

M$ just gave up on original crap box last gen 

this gen M$ gave up on the core xbox gamer  

next gen xbox is a kinect/cable box so make that 3 times the abandonment :lol:

[QUOTE="wasted_wisdom"][QUOTE="timbers_WSU"]

They did? So my Gear of War Judgement pre-order for the 18th is fake?

clone01

With the original XBox, Microsoft abandoned their user base after only having their console on the market for 4 years. They scrambled to get their next console out before PS3, and ditched their user base on the Xbox.

With Xbox 360, Microsoft released the console knowing it had the RROD. They ended up releasing a product with the highest failure rate in the history of mankind. But atleast they came out swinging, securing 3rd party exclusives like BioShock, Saints Row, Dead Rising. They brought some fresh new IPs to the table like Gears of War and Crackdown. Then they abandoned their user base and went the Kinect route, trying to appeal to soccer moms and casuals. They havent had a fresh new IP in yearsssssss, and havent been releasing many exclusives at all in the past 4-5 years. 

 

What makes you think you can trust them next-gen? 

drakekratos

[QUOTE="drakekratos"]

With the original XBox, Microsoft abandoned their user base after only having their console on the market for 4 years. They scrambled to get their next console out before PS3, and ditched their user base on the Xbox.

With Xbox 360, Microsoft released the console knowing it had the RROD. They ended up releasing a product with the highest failure rate in the history of mankind. But atleast they came out swinging, securing 3rd party exclusives like BioShock, Saints Row, Dead Rising. They brought some fresh new IPs to the table like Gears of War and Crackdown. Then they abandoned their user base and went the Kinect route, trying to appeal to soccer moms and casuals. They havent had a fresh new IP in yearsssssss, and havent been releasing many exclusives at all in the past 4-5 years. 

 

What makes you think you can trust them next-gen? 

The_Last_Ride

I don't know why people keep bringing up rrod.

You realize they fixed it for free like 3-4 years ago?

Is this still going to be talked about in 15 years because fanboys don't actually have good points?

Huge corporations caring only about money???

LOL, Cows keep coming out with these stupid threads to make themselfs feel better because all they got on their system over these past 12 months were trash like Little Big Planet Kart and Sony Smash Brothers, haha..so copying the Wiimote wasn't good enough for Sony, they are even copying Nintendo's games down to the Ts.  But at least Sheeps buy their games unlike The Cows....HAHAHAHA

I don't know why people keep bringing up rrod.

You realize they fixed it for free like 3-4 years ago?

Is this still going to be talked about in 15 years because fanboys don't actually have good points?

MakeMeaSammitch

only an idiot lem in denial would forgive the RRoD (one of the highest failure rates in history), especially when M$ launched the console knowing that it was broken.    :o

Dude, do you even realize the scale of this? The fact that the Xbox is still in the market is a miracle.

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

I don't know why people keep bringing up rrod.

You realize they fixed it for free like 3-4 years ago?

Is this still going to be talked about in 15 years because fanboys don't actually have good points?

Gue1

only an idiot lem in denial would forgive the RRoD (one of the highest failure rates in history), especially when M$ launched the console knowing that it was broken.    :o

Dude, do you even realize the scale of this? The fact that the Xbox is still in the market is a miracle.

I don't know why people keep bringing up rrod.

You realize they fixed it for free like 3-4 years ago?

Is this still going to be talked about in 15 years because fanboys don't actually have good points?

MakeMeaSammitch

Games, we can go back and forth. But YOU want to just cast that bit of info that confirms their product was a certified piece of **** because it's irrefutable. Bravo!

[QUOTE="Gue1"]

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

I don't know why people keep bringing up rrod.

You realize they fixed it for free like 3-4 years ago?

Is this still going to be talked about in 15 years because fanboys don't actually have good points?

CanYouDiglt

only an idiot lem in denial would forgive the RRoD (one of the highest failure rates in history), especially when M$ launched the console knowing that it was broken. :o

Dude, do you even realize the scale of this? The fact that the Xbox is still in the market is a miracle.

Read "fail".

:-)

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]

[QUOTE="Gue1"]

only an idiot lem in denial would forgive the RRoD (one of the highest failure rates in history), especially when M$ launched the console knowing that it was broken. :o

Dude, do you even realize the scale of this? The fact that the Xbox is still in the market is a miracle.

Benny_Blakk

Read "fail".

:-)

[QUOTE="Benny_Blakk"]

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]At least Microsoft never had to settle a class action lawsuit like Sony did Sony's busted console was so bad they went to court and they had to settle a class action law suit. I am sure though you will create some reason why it is not the same and Sony was not near as bad.

CanYouDiglt

Read "fail".

:-)

What are you talking about "broken hardware". You need to be specific because the PS3 had a failure rate along only 10% and the purchase has at least a one year warranty. No matter how much you try to compare, SONY's expense due to faulty manufacturing pales in comparison to Microsoft. It's nowhere even close to the same ball park!