Microsoft Head : "Halo lost it's way without Master Chief"

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#1 slarkyslark
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http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/07/12/microsoft-head-halo-lost-its-way-without-master-chief.aspx While many Halo fans would point to last year's Reach as arguably the best entry in the beloved sci-fi shooter series, apparently Microsoft Game Studios head Phil Spencer is not as impressed with Bungie's decision to take recognizable protagonist Master Chief out of the spotlight for its last two Halo releases. Spencer suggested that stepping into the shoes of Master Chief is a core part of the appeal of the Halo games: "The key question for me in managing the studio and the creatives is 'what is Halo?,' making sure Halo lives up to what I think gamers fell in love with [playing Combat Evolved]... What does that mean? Playing Master Chief. We kind of lost our way a little bit, I'll say. And that's why I wanted to make sure that at the unveiling of Halo 4, you knew you were playing Master Chief, that John was back. Because Master Chief is the John Wayne character of that universe, and that's who you want to play." Elsewhere in the interview, Spencer said that while Reach and ODST, the final two Halo games developed by series creator Bungie, may have made sense to players who have been following the franchise since it started on the original Xbox, new fans who had just got into the series with Halo 3 "maybe...weren't as centered." This is apparently the justification for refocusing the franchise on Master Chief, both with the upcoming HD remake of Halo 1 and the new trilogy beginning with Halo 4. What do you think, Halo fans? Is playing as Master Chief necessary for the franchise to thrive? ... I do not agree with him. Halo is my favorite series, and Reach is equally as fantastic as the other games. Bungie did a amazing job with it. The games are just as good without Chief, but I still cannot wait to be Chief again. I love teh Chief :) This guy is obviously only saying this because Chief= more money.
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#2 gamer-adam1
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and now halo UNIVERSE starts to go down hill

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#3 slarkyslark
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and now halo UNIVERSE starts to go down hill

gamer-adam1
Nope 343 is consisted of ex Halo 1 and 2 employees. Halo 4 may be the best yet. Who knows?
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#4 chikenfriedrice
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I missed MC

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#5 xXCombatWombat
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I agree they lost their way with ODST and Reach, but not because MC wasnt in them.

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#6 Ravenchrome
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Oh, yeah Super Soldier is unique in the gaming industry.

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#7 Vesica_Prime
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Having Master Chief in your game doesn't automatically mean you get extra marks Microsoft.

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#8 VensInferno
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Well Its kind of true. When people think of Halo, they think of Master Chief. God of war- Kratos, Uncharted- Drake, Final Fantasy - mainly cloud.

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#9 eboyishere
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MC=money he is the series
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#10 gamer-adam1
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[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

and now halo UNIVERSE starts to go down hill

slarkyslark

Nope 343 is consisted of ex Halo 1 and 2 employees. Halo 4 may be the best yet. Who knows?

guess we will have to see, no halo game has yet to have the same feel or close to it, that Halo CE had

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#11 gamer-adam1
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I agree they lost their way with ODST and Reach, but not because MC wasnt in them.

xXCombatWombat

how did they lose their way with Reach, ODST was good just too short, and still gave you the "power" of being MC

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#12 UCF_Knight
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I love Reach. Yet everything I've read recently makes it seem like the game was just okay. >.>
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#13 WilliamRLBaker
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um I loved odst...disliked reach but I loved odst to death music, atmosphere story...just awesome..

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#14 sakura_Ex
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Instead of talking this bull****,MS should be focusing on creating more exclusives for their platform

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#15 slarkyslark
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I love Reach. Yet everything I've read recently makes it seem like the game was just okay. >.>UCF_Knight
No it was great its just internet haters on forums. Ignore them.
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#16 dream431ca
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Yes, because a generic super soldier really held the series :roll:

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#17 AcidSoldner
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I'm sorry but it takes a lot more than just Master Chief to make a great game. Reach is by far my favorite in the series and aside from Cortana, it had nothing to do with the Chief.
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#18 WilliamRLBaker
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Yes, because a generic super soldier really held the series :roll:

dream431ca
master chief was far from a generic super soldier specially in his perosnality. but I read the books so...
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#19 xXCombatWombat
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[QUOTE="xXCombatWombat"]

I agree they lost their way with ODST and Reach, but not because MC wasnt in them.

gamer-adam1

how did they lose their way with Reach, ODST was good just too short, and still gave you the "power" of being MC

I hated ODST, and the fact they said it was going to be 40 then jacked it up to 60 makes me nervous about the new CE remake. Reach was good for the most part but felt like it took a lot of what Halo great and removed them/tweaked them (Crappy maps, Bloom, AA, Dual wielding). Still a good game, but not better than the old ones .

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#20 slarkyslark
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[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Yes, because a generic super soldier really held the series :roll:

WilliamRLBaker
master chief was far from a generic super soldier specially in his perosnality. but I read the books so...

+1. I read all the books and I hope the Halo 4 shows more of his personality, he is FAR from generic.
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#21 VendettaRed07
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I agree.. I cared ZERO about the stories in ODST or Reach cause they are just idiots who are going to get killed so lol why should I care?.. I want to be a character whos actually going to do something awesome.

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#22 Fizzman
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I agree. The Halo games without MC didn't have that missing ingredient. They were still amazing games, but MC puts the games over the top.

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#23 SaltyMeatballs
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No link TC. It will be good to play as MC again, but I hope they keep expanding on the universe in their games not just books. Playing as an ODST was great, the Reach story as the Rookie was great.
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#24 GTSaiyanjin2
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ODST and Reach are my favorites :P

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#25 slarkyslark
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I agree. The Halo games without MC didn't have that missing ingredient. They were still amazing games, but MC puts the games over the top.

Fizzman
kinda agree. I love Reach and odst, but I know what you mean. Chief + Cortana just has something magic about it.
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#26 dream431ca
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[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Yes, because a generic super soldier really held the series :roll:

WilliamRLBaker

master chief was far from a generic super soldier specially in his perosnality. but I read the books so...

I can say the same thing reguarding any game that has novels as side stories. That doesn't change the fact that the character was generic in the game.

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#27 DJ-Lafleur
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I don't know, I actually kinda liked seeing the Spartan I made in the cutscenes in Reach.

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[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

I agree. The Halo games without MC didn't have that missing ingredient. They were still amazing games, but MC puts the games over the top.

slarkyslark

kinda agree. I love Reach and odst, but I know what you mean. Chief + Cortana just has something magic about it.

SGT. Johnson is the best part of halo, except I know he would suck if he was the main

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#29 Blaze-Agent
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cant wait till the market is burnt out on all these FPS games. maybe these devs will start to think outside the box. Gaming Sucks right now

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#30 millerlight89
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[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Yes, because a generic super soldier really held the series :roll:

WilliamRLBaker
master chief was far from a generic super soldier specially in his perosnality. but I read the books so...

Maybe they should learn to make him not generic in the games, because he sure is. We shouldn't have to read the books to see he isn't.
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Yes, because a generic super soldier really held the series :roll:

millerlight89

master chief was far from a generic super soldier specially in his perosnality. but I read the books so...

Maybe they should learn to make him not generic in the games, because he sure is. We shouldn't have to read the books to see he isn't.

We get it, big dude in suit super soldier is generic, from NES days. Thanks to everyone who cleared that up. :P

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[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

and now halo UNIVERSE starts to go down hill

slarkyslark

Nope 343 is consisted of ex Halo 1 and 2 employees. Halo 4 may be the best yet. Who knows?

The number of past bungie employees now working for 343 industries can be counted on one hand.

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#33 Pug-Nasty
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I dunno. Playing as MC in Halo: CE feels kinda like playing as Gordon Freeman to me, a placeholder person just there so you have someone to play as.

At least Master Chief opens his mouth once and a while, and that's good.

On the other hand, having a more blank character to play as is a plus, since your actions in game wouldn't be as likely to conflict with the character you're playing as. Still, any blank slate will do, and there isn't anything about that particular character that stands out to me as special.

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#34 blues35301
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MC doesn't do anything towards any of the games. When people think Halo they don't think MC they think dude in Spartan armor. And thats what you get with all Halos. What a crock of a story lmao.

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#35 slarkyslark
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[QUOTE="slarkyslark"][QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

and now halo UNIVERSE starts to go down hill

catfishmoon23

Nope 343 is consisted of ex Halo 1 and 2 employees. Halo 4 may be the best yet. Who knows?

The number of past bungie employees now working for 343 industries can be counted on one hand.

Yes, but they are the ones in charge which is all that matters
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#36 Merex760
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Master Chief isn't a good character to begin with...I have the same emotional attachment to him that I do to a character in a Michael Bay movie. Rubbish PR talk from Microsoft.
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[QUOTE="slarkyslark"][QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

and now halo UNIVERSE starts to go down hill

catfishmoon23

Nope 343 is consisted of ex Halo 1 and 2 employees. Halo 4 may be the best yet. Who knows?

The number of past bungie employees now working for 343 industries can be counted on one hand.

Not every employee at Bungie had a say in development. Very few would have creative control, the rest just being the grunts that make it a reality. I'm not sure which Bungie employees are at 343 or what their roles were, but if they played creative roles than 343 could be very beneficial to the Halo franchise. The grunts are replaceable, as long as they're replaced by competent coders, artists etc. The creative minds aren't.

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#38 dxmcat
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Just microsoft damage control for no longer having Bungie.

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#39 lamprey263
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maybe it wasn't a great commercial decision, but as a gamer I rather liked being able to play in the universe and yet not have it be centered around Master Chief
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#40 VendettaRed07
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No link TC. It will be good to play as MC again, but I hope they keep expanding on the universe in their games not just books. Playing as an ODST was great, the Reach story as the Rookie was great.SaltyMeatballs

I really really thought that in reach they should have done it where the rookie you played as was actually Master Cheif before he became Master Cheif...

That would have been like the coolest reveal since... we found out Samus was a girl

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#41 the_ChEeSe_mAn2
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]No link TC. It will be good to play as MC again, but I hope they keep expanding on the universe in their games not just books. Playing as an ODST was great, the Reach story as the Rookie was great.VendettaRed07

I really really thought that in reach they should have done it where the rookie you played as was actually Master Cheif before he became Master Cheif...

That would have been like the coolest reveal since... we found out Samus was a girl

Master Chief was already Master Chief long before Reach.
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#42 DJ-Lafleur
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]No link TC. It will be good to play as MC again, but I hope they keep expanding on the universe in their games not just books. Playing as an ODST was great, the Reach story as the Rookie was great.VendettaRed07

I really really thought that in reach they should have done it where the rookie you played as was actually Master Cheif before he became Master Cheif...

That would have been like the coolest reveal since... we found out Samus was a girl

I'm not exactly 100% knowlledgable on all Halo lore, but didn't the "MC before he was MC" spend much of his time resting in a capsuler? Wouldn't have been right seeing as how Reach is what happened right before Halo 1 and in Halo 1 we see Chief being awakened and leaving his capsule.

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#43 enterawesome
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[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

and now halo UNIVERSE starts to go down hill

slarkyslark
Nope 343 is consisted of ex Halo 1 and 2 employees. Halo 4 may be the best yet. Who knows?

Yep, all 5 of them. :P Anyways, this is kind of a dumb comment from Microsoft. MC in the games was only a vehicle for the player to exist in the world, Halo 3 was the only one that gave him any emotions or personality. I don't think anyone minds if the universe expands to tell the stories of different characters. In fact, speaking as a fan, I like it. So yeah, this sounds like some PR shenanigans to me.
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#44 klusps
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I miss Cortana. She was barely in Halo 3 and Reach, she wasn't in ODST.

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#45 walkingdream
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FFS M$ Halo is not limited to John 117..... The Halo universe is far bigger and far greater than just MC...
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#46 LegatoSkyheart
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Forget the Master Chief, I want more of the Rookie and the ODST Team!

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#47 yoshi_64
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[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Yes, because a generic super soldier really held the series :roll:

WilliamRLBaker

master chief was far from a generic super soldier specially in his perosnality. but I read the books so...

Honestly, I loved both but I felt Reach was a bit better at the atmosphere, environment, and had the best campaign in the series next to CE. I felt some characters of your team were definitely under developed (Emiel ... or however you spell it) but at the same time... it just felt so different (like ODST) yet it felt familiar (CE) and still "Halo" like.

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#48 catfishmoon23
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[QUOTE="catfishmoon23"]

[QUOTE="slarkyslark"] Nope 343 is consisted of ex Halo 1 and 2 employees. Halo 4 may be the best yet. Who knows?Twin-Blade

The number of past bungie employees now working for 343 industries can be counted on one hand.

Not every employee at Bungie had a say in development. Very few would have creative control, the rest just being the grunts that make it a reality. I'm not sure which Bungie employees are at 343 or what their roles were, but if they played creative roles than 343 could be very beneficial to the Halo franchise. The grunts are replaceable, as long as they're replaced by competent coders, artists etc. The creative minds aren't.

I'm not commenting on the quality of these past bungie employees or 343 industries themselves, but people seem to think that the majority of 343 industries' employees are past Bungie employees when they aren't.

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#49 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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I liked being able to customize the appearance of 6. Customizable generic silent protagonist > not customizable generic silent protagonist.
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#50 LegatoSkyheart
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um I loved odst...disliked reach but I loved odst to death music, atmosphere story...just awesome..

WilliamRLBaker

and we agree on another note Mr. Baker.

It's high time that I started Tracking you.