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[QUOTE="Shafftehr"]Seeing as Sony essentially got its start in console gaming by stealing Final Fantasy from Nintendo... Metal Gear was originally Nintendo also, and Konami in general heavily favoured NIntendo - but, wasn't long until Castlevania and Metal Gear was Sony only. FF7 was the game that put Sony on the map, you know... After the DC, didn't the Stretet Fighter games go mainly Sony also (3rd strike, Alpha, all that Jazz)? I'd say they learned from the (previous) best. I'd also say that Cows have a short memory for how Sony got to first place - back when they were first place, or even second place, that is.readingfc_1
Please don't call it stealing. Square moved from Nintendo to Sony because of storage limitationm which was also Kojimas reasoning for MGS first appearing on a Sony platform. MGS was the beginning of an era for the Metal Gear universe and they chose to stage it somewhere where they could exploit the potential of the playstation. All i'm saying is Sony has done what Microsoft has done in recent years. They have bought up exclusive franchises and also enjoyed the high number of 3rd party games being released. It's just the way the business goes and also the way it will continue to go.

Oh, here's the fun part. When MS does it, it's "stealing"... When Sony does it, they moved because the wanted to. You know, despite the fact that there is no evidence of things like GTA4, or FFXIII, Ninja Gaiden, KOTOR/Jade Empire/Mass Effect, Forza, Riddick, or the next MG game going to the XBOX, Sony fanboys constantly act like MS bought it... While every game that goes to a Sony console mysteriously happened because they just thought Sony was all that and a bag of chips. The practices you see Sony adopting now are ones that they likely adopted a long time ago, and MS hasn't really done anything that Sony didn't do first. Heck, that Nintendo didn't do first - Nintendo was an absolute tyrant from the NES to the SNES eras, using business tactics that put anything Sony or MS did to shame... You know, perhaps calling it stealing is wrong though. *None* of this is stealing, and none of this deserves to be credited as stealing. It's all legitimate business practices that every company in the game has engaged in many times in the past. It just so happens that one company is often credited with doing this as "stealing," as in, negative connotations, far beyond the others.
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#52 VendettaRed07
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i know it might sound stupid, but i really do think they are taking alot of the fun out of this gen. How about instead of buying up exclusive dlc, and games and making them multiplat, make your own game similar to that to compete with it. Really thats what they did back in the day. I miss when libraries for systems were actually really different, now they are just simliar witha few exclusives here and there

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#53 darkbow285
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[QUOTE="readingfc_1"][QUOTE="Shafftehr"]Seeing as Sony essentially got its start in console gaming by stealing Final Fantasy from Nintendo... Metal Gear was originally Nintendo also, and Konami in general heavily favoured NIntendo - but, wasn't long until Castlevania and Metal Gear was Sony only. FF7 was the game that put Sony on the map, you know... After the DC, didn't the Stretet Fighter games go mainly Sony also (3rd strike, Alpha, all that Jazz)? I'd say they learned from the (previous) best. I'd also say that Cows have a short memory for how Sony got to first place - back when they were first place, or even second place, that is.Shafftehr
Please don't call it stealing. Square moved from Nintendo to Sony because of storage limitationm which was also Kojimas reasoning for MGS first appearing on a Sony platform. MGS was the beginning of an era for the Metal Gear universe and they chose to stage it somewhere where they could exploit the potential of the playstation. All i'm saying is Sony has done what Microsoft has done in recent years. They have bought up exclusive franchises and also enjoyed the high number of 3rd party games being released. It's just the way the business goes and also the way it will continue to go.

Oh, here's the fun part. When MS does it, it's "stealing"... When Sony does it, they moved because the wanted to. You know, despite the fact that there is no evidence of things like GTA4, or FFXIII, Ninja Gaiden, KOTOR/Jade Empire/Mass Effect, Forza, Riddick, or the next MG game going to the XBOX, Sony fanboys constantly act like MS bought it... While every game that goes to a Sony console mysteriously happened because they just thought Sony was all that and a bag of chips. The practices you see Sony adopting now are ones that they likely adopted a long time ago, and MS hasn't really done anything that Sony didn't do first. Heck, that Nintendo didn't do first - Nintendo was an absolute tyrant from the NES to the SNES eras, using business tactics that put anything Sony or MS did to shame... You know, perhaps calling it stealing is wrong though. *None* of this is stealing, and none of this deserves to be credited as stealing. It's all legitimate business practices that every company in the game has engaged in many times in the past. It just so happens that one company is often credited with doing this as "stealing," as in, negative connotations, far beyond the others.

#1. ms and sony werent in the game indistry during the reighn of NES

#2 you are saying we are fanboys because ps3 gets games well 360 gets the same games and many others those others are MS exclusives

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#54 warmaster670
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they steal every good game that comes out and make it only 4 360 and PC (ps they own PC) and do this constantly in an attempt to bleed ps3 dry and make itself the sole next gen platform

darkbow285

if anything "owns" pc, its nvidia/ATI, ever tried to play a game without a graphics card? dont care what your playing it on its gonna be awefully hard.

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#55 cainetao11
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i know it might sound stupid, but i really do think they are taking alot of the fun out of this gen. How about instead of buying up exclusive dlc, and games and making them multiplat, make your own game similar to that to compete with it. Really thats what they did back in the day. I miss when libraries for systems were actually really different, now they are just simliar witha few exclusives here and there

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I hear you, bro. But as we get older, nothing stays the same and nothing is as good as we remember it. I loved gaming on my Master system and going to friends houses to play the NES games. But this has become big money for all involved.
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[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="readingfc_1"] Please don't call it stealing. Square moved from Nintendo to Sony because of storage limitationm which was also Kojimas reasoning for MGS first appearing on a Sony platform. MGS was the beginning of an era for the Metal Gear universe and they chose to stage it somewhere where they could exploit the potential of the playstation. All i'm saying is Sony has done what Microsoft has done in recent years. They have bought up exclusive franchises and also enjoyed the high number of 3rd party games being released. It's just the way the business goes and also the way it will continue to go. darkbow285

Oh, here's the fun part. When MS does it, it's "stealing"... When Sony does it, they moved because the wanted to. You know, despite the fact that there is no evidence of things like GTA4, or FFXIII, Ninja Gaiden, KOTOR/Jade Empire/Mass Effect, Forza, Riddick, or the next MG game going to the XBOX, Sony fanboys constantly act like MS bought it... While every game that goes to a Sony console mysteriously happened because they just thought Sony was all that and a bag of chips. The practices you see Sony adopting now are ones that they likely adopted a long time ago, and MS hasn't really done anything that Sony didn't do first. Heck, that Nintendo didn't do first - Nintendo was an absolute tyrant from the NES to the SNES eras, using business tactics that put anything Sony or MS did to shame... You know, perhaps calling it stealing is wrong though. *None* of this is stealing, and none of this deserves to be credited as stealing. It's all legitimate business practices that every company in the game has engaged in many times in the past. It just so happens that one company is often credited with doing this as "stealing," as in, negative connotations, far beyond the others.

#1. ms and sony werent in the game indistry during the reighn of NES

#2 you are saying we are fanboys because ps3 gets games well 360 gets the same games and many others those others are MS exclusives

I've got to admit, I am not really getting the thrust of your criticisms. Could you explain more, then I can answer properly?

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#57 darkbow285
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they steal every good game that comes out and make it only 4 360 and PC (ps they own PC) and do this constantly in an attempt to bleed ps3 dry and make itself the sole next gen platform

warmaster670

if anything "owns" pc, its nvidia/ATI, ever tried to play a game without a graphics card? dont care what your playing it on its gonna be awefully hard.

i agree with u inthe way graphics cards are essential to play computer games but nvidia/ATI tend to jack prices but ever try useing a graphics card without windows

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#58 Silverbond
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If MS is the biggest leech in known gaming, who's the biggesat leech in unknown gaming? :o

PS: Metal Gear and Final Fantasy were not Sony franchises to begin with.

Is anybody else's text in red?

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#59 warmaster670
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[QUOTE="warmaster670"]

[QUOTE="darkbow285"]

they steal every good game that comes out and make it only 4 360 and PC (ps they own PC) and do this constantly in an attempt to bleed ps3 dry and make itself the sole next gen platform

darkbow285

if anything "owns" pc, its nvidia/ATI, ever tried to play a game without a graphics card? dont care what your playing it on its gonna be awefully hard.

i agree with u inthe way graphics cards are essential to play computer games but nvidia/ATI tend to jack prices but ever try useing a graphics card without windows

Ya its called Linux, theres graphics cards in every single console aswell, and im sure macs use them aswell.

and talking about jacked prices, $200 for windows anyone?

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#60 darkbow285
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Ya its called Linux, theres graphics cards in every single console aswell, and im sure macs use them aswell.[/Qoute]

macs do not support graphics cards---aaahhhemmm WINDOWS

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What's up with all of the red text?
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#62 warmaster670
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[QUOTE="warmaster670"]Ya its called Linux, theres graphics cards in every single console aswell, and im sure macs use them aswell.darkbow285

macs do not support graphics cards---aaahhhemmm WINDOWS

OK, doesnt change everything else i said, that dont use windows.


Is anybody else's text in red?

Silverbond

ya mine is too

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#63 darkbow285
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red text is postmaster

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red text is postmaster

darkbow285
lol i was losing it over here.
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#65 Mr_Nordquist
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That's what Sony gets for picking on MS.

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[QUOTE="_Verm"]Microsoft doesnt own pcdarkbow285

um ya they do they created pc in a sence that all "PC" games only work with windows -do you see mac getting any "PC" games lately

There is something called MAC you know by Apple? Umm, I dont know if you you know this, but they HATE each other.
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[QUOTE="darkbow285"]

[QUOTE="_Verm"]Microsoft doesnt own pcBewareoffalling

um ya they do they created pc in a sence that all "PC" games only work with windows -do you see mac getting any "PC" games lately

There is something called MAC you know by Apple? Umm, I dont know if you you know this, but they HATE each other.

Thats the point he was making....
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[QUOTE="Bewareoffalling"][QUOTE="darkbow285"]

um ya they do they created pc in a sence that all "PC" games only work with windows -do you see mac getting any "PC" games lately

thepoop7

There is something called MAC you know by Apple? Umm, I dont know if you you know this, but they HATE each other.

Thats the point he was making....

:lol:

He's new here.

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#70 def_mode
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MS does not own the PC, Windows is a software that is used by PC to run.

If you say MS owns PC because it uses Windows to run then this PC also needs a motherboard and a video card to run, so in that sense Nvidia and such owns PC too.

You also need a screen so that you can use this PC, so LG has flatron etc and such owns PC aswell?

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[QUOTE="thepoop7"][QUOTE="Bewareoffalling"] There is something called MAC you know by Apple? Umm, I dont know if you you know this, but they HATE each other.GreenGoblin2099

Thats the point he was making....

:lol:

He's new here.

Thanks for Noticing...
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First of all, Microsoft is indeed a large part of PC gaming as most games out on PC require a Windows OS to play on. You don't have to have an ATI card or an Nvidia card, you can choose between the two. Same with the other hardware parts in a PC. Choices on these, but one main OS. If you are using Mac or Linux, then you wont be playing as many games, and you wont be playing them at their full graphical capability.

Secondly, to all of these people saying that Metal Gear started on NES or Sony, you are both wrong. Metal Gear actually started on a Microsoft platform in 1987 in Japan. The MSX, which was a Microsoft lead-and-designed attempt to have unified standards among PC platforms. There were MSX machines made by other manufacturers, but Microsoft did create the MSX.

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Sony And Microsoft Are Responsible for dead PC gaming Microsoft doesnt own PC
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It's business.
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Topic creator is just sad he spent $800+ on a Crappy System with overpriced Games. Microsoft owns all the best Titles and has the best Multiplatform Support. Microsoft has the best Controller.(Not a crappy tiny baby-sized piece of plastic that would only be good for Midgets and Japs) Microsoft has the most money thus will ALWAYS come out on top. Microsoft has the best customer support. Boohoo if you get a RROD you have 3 years warranty. Microsoft has Exclusive GTA 4 Content and Poor PS3 think thats Unfair because they are so jealous. Microsoft Xbox 360s that do break can be turned into a bong. Instant Win. Case Closed. Microsoft Xbox 360 is so damn sexy that I could use it as a replacement for a Girlfriend.. ooh baby 360.. Ps3 = George Bush 360 = Your personal Favourite Celebrity Female
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Why? Plus without Microsoft, there wouldn't be Windows on PC's (Windows wouldn't exist). Then what will we be using?

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There is something called MAC you know by Apple? Umm, I dont know if you you know this, but they HATE each other.

Bewareoffalling

My desktop(s)

My Mac doesn't hate windows, it just keeps it in a nice padded box so it doesn't cause any harm.

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they steal every good game that comes out and make it only 4 360 and PC (ps they own PC) and do this constantly in an attempt to bleed ps3 dry and make itself the sole next gen platform

darkbow285
Sony it trying to do the same thing, Microsoft just has a lot more money to do it.
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[QUOTE="darkbow285"]

they steal every good game that comes out and make it only 4 360 and PC (ps they own PC) and do this constantly in an attempt to bleed ps3 dry and make itself the sole next gen platform

Jacobistheman
Sony it trying to do the same thing, Microsoft just has a lot more money to do it.

Every company tries to do such things, its called business as their main goal is to make money. If anyone has such a problem with MS only having games available for Xbox 360 & Windows then buy you a PC with Windows or Xbox 360. Get over it & move on.
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#81 skektek
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Microsoft doesnt own pc_Verm
For all intents and purposes they do.

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#82 TR800
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i own a 360 so the more games MS steals keeps me gaming.
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they steal every good game that comes out and make it only 4 360 and PC (ps they own PC) and do this constantly in an attempt to bleed ps3 dry and make itself the sole next gen platform

darkbow285

1. Microsoft does NOT own PC.

2. Microsoft is NOT stealing every good game. This is all business, don't be a fanboy and save up for the other consoles.

3. You mean "Leech" NOT "Leach"

4. You can find good games for each of the consoles.

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[QUOTE="_Verm"]Microsoft doesnt own pcdarkbow285

um ya they do they created pc in a sence that all "PC" games only work with windows -do you see mac getting any "PC" games lately

Joke?

No they didn't create the PC...They invented the POS that is Windows.

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[QUOTE="_Verm"]Microsoft doesnt own pcskektek

For all intents and purposes they do.

No, they don't. They only dominate the market on operating system software. They don't make PC hardware (except for keyboards and mice). They don't dictate what games get made on the platform. Unless they're a publisher, they see no revenue from the games made on the platform. Theirs isn't the only operating system many games play on. Heck, you can even use programs like Wine to play 90% of all games on MAC/Linux. So how can anyone consider 'for all intents and purposes', the PC is a Microsoft platform?
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#86 bingbaocao
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they steal every good game that comes out and make it only 4 360 and PC (ps they own PC) and do this constantly in an attempt to bleed ps3 dry and make itself the sole next gen platform

darkbow285
sony did the same thing to sega
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#87 Danm_999
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Sony And Microsoft Are Responsible for dead PC gaming Microsoft doesnt own PC badtaker

Dead PC gaming?

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#88 LosDaddie
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Whatever MS is doing has been great for me. I own all 3 consoles and the X360 is, by far, the most played in my house. :)

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[QUOTE="cainetao11"][QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]

mgs is about to be xbox'd, ff13 was xbox'd last year, im really pissed.

gaming is dying.

darkbow285

How is gaming dying because a larger audience has access to these games?

dude a larger adience would be all platforms incluing 360, i think 360 is a good console i just have a problem with there need to crush competition by putting good games just on 360 and pc

not everybody has to buy a 360 because they horde good games from ps3 and other next gen consoles

did sony or nintendo lend a hand to sega as the dreamcast was failing. no
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#90 stike22
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Yeh M$ is the biggest leech out of the 3 companies I know that and I hate them BUT THEY of all the 3 companies have given me the best console this gen with the most games on it and as a gamer thats all I give a **** about. I can't help but think if MS never got into console market gaming this gen would be better with third party fully making games for the other consoles but that doesn't really matter fact is of the 3 they are giving the best quality.
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leach 1  /litʃ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [leech] Show IPA –verb (used with object) 1. to dissolve out soluble constituents from (ashes, soil, etc.) by percolation. 2. to cause (water or other liquid) to percolate through something. –verb (used without object) 3. (of ashes, soil, etc.) to undergo the action of percolating water. 4. to percolate, as water. –noun 5. the act or process of leaching. 6. a product or solution obtained by leaching; leachate. 7. the material leached. 8. a vessel for use in leaching

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#92 skektek
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[QUOTE="_Verm"]Microsoft doesnt own pcDanm_999

For all intents and purposes they do.

No, they don't. They only dominate the market on operating system software. They don't make PC hardware (except for keyboards and mice). They don't dictate what games get made on the platform. Unless they're a publisher, they see no revenue from the games made on the platform. Theirs isn't the only operating system many games play on. Heck, you can even use programs like Wine to play 90% of all games on MAC/Linux. So how can anyone consider 'for all intents and purposes', the PC is a Microsoft platform?

Let me ask you this: where would the PC platform be if MS closed their doors, revoked all licences, and generally there was no running instances of Windows left?

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#93 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="skektek"]For all intents and purposes they do.

skektek

No, they don't. They only dominate the market on operating system software. They don't make PC hardware (except for keyboards and mice). They don't dictate what games get made on the platform. Unless they're a publisher, they see no revenue from the games made on the platform. Theirs isn't the only operating system many games play on. Heck, you can even use programs like Wine to play 90% of all games on MAC/Linux. So how can anyone consider 'for all intents and purposes', the PC is a Microsoft platform?

Let me ask you this: where would the PC platform be if MS closed their doors, revoked all licences, and generally there was no running instances of Windows left?

In the ecstatic arms of Steve Jobs.
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#94 Jono789
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The worst thing about microsoft is how much they say Innovation.. i think they are just doing it for the irony of them not creating One thing EVER which is original.

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#95 h575309
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they steal every good game that comes out and make it only 4 360 and PC (ps they own PC) and do this constantly in an attempt to bleed ps3 dry and make itself the sole next gen platform

darkbow285
im pretty sure ps3 has the most aaa's this year so how does this make any sense
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#96 h575309
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="skektek"]

No, they don't. They only dominate the market on operating system software. They don't make PC hardware (except for keyboards and mice). They don't dictate what games get made on the platform. Unless they're a publisher, they see no revenue from the games made on the platform. Theirs isn't the only operating system many games play on. Heck, you can even use programs like Wine to play 90% of all games on MAC/Linux. So how can anyone consider 'for all intents and purposes', the PC is a Microsoft platform?Danm_999
Let me ask you this: where would the PC platform be if MS closed their doors, revoked all licences, and generally there was no running instances of Windows left?

In the ecstatic arms of Steve Jobs.

ugh apple's everywhere.....computers i mean.... fruit apples everywhere might be nice
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#97 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="skektek"]Let me ask you this: where would the PC platform be if MS closed their doors, revoked all licences, and generally there was no running instances of Windows left?

h575309

In the ecstatic arms of Steve Jobs.

ugh apple's everywhere.....computers i mean.... fruit apples everywhere might be nice

And they've been there since before Windows, which was the point I was making.

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#98 edo-tensei
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360 has great games, get over it, find a job, buy all consoles and stfu

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#99 wayne_kar
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[QUOTE="h575309"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] In the ecstatic arms of Steve Jobs.Danm_999

ugh apple's everywhere.....computers i mean.... fruit apples everywhere might be nice

And they've been there since before Windows, which was the point I was making.

Apple took the GUI from XEROX. then bill out smarted Steve.
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#100 dragonfly110
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The worst thing about microsoft is how much they say Innovation.. i think they are just doing it for the irony of them not creating One thing EVER which is original.

Jono789

what are you talking about, they created Live, the most powerful internet database for consoles that existed last gen. Plus they were the first company that had DLC content and DLC games.