Microsoft: Making enemies by being a bully and attacking the subconcious.

Unless you appreciate deep thinking, this thread is not for you. I find the video gaming industry very interesting, yet the more I think about it the more I realize why Microsoft will not be the best in internet search and video gaming. Microsoft is simply making too many enemies. As smart as it is, it does not realize that its actions over the years have frightened the human subconscious into perceiving Microsoft as a company not to be trusted with too much control or too much wealth.

1) When it controlled Windows, it used its monopoly to force computer makers and users to adopt Internet Explorer by default. It also used its windows monopoly in other computer related industries. The world found Microsoft guilty of abusing its monopoly and fined the company billions. The subconsious of people all over the world will forever remember Microsoft as a company not to be trusted with too much control of any industry.

2) Microsofts now tries to compete in too many industries, and a long the way it makes enemies in the following areas: operating systems, servers, databases, word processing, spreadsheets, software development suites, HD formats, advertizements, cable news and last but not least video gaming. In every area, Microsoft does not hesitate to do whatever it can to win, so long as it can get away with it. As such, Microsoft has tried to use its monoplies and wealth to its advantage against all competitors. No one likes to see a bully succeeds. It's built into the human subconcious.

Not only is microsoft making enemies with its competitors, it also makes enemies with people who read or hear about their business pratices. Take HD DVD vs. Blu-ray for example. Microsoft uses its money and influence to convince Toshiba to fight alone against Blu-ray. It told Xbox 360 owners that HD DVD was better, but it refused to make an Xbox 360 SKU with HD DVD built in. It's like Microsoft gave Toshiba a gun to fight while it sat on the sidelines, hoping the fight would continue forever, consumers and the entire movie industry be damned. Microsoft was a company willing to throw money around just to perpetuate a war.

Take another example of abusing its wealth in video games. Instead of creating more new exclusives, it pays 3rd party publishers to to release games on its console first. Now, 360 owners like it just fine. But in the back of their minds, their subconscious sees Microsof as a bully using pure wealth, not creativity or hardwork, as a means to achieve its ends. I would respect Microsoft a lot more if uses the money to create new exclusives or to lower the price of its consoles. Using money to obtain timed exlusives is too much of a bullying, I-am-richer-than-you tactic.

Now some of you might think I am writing this because I fear Microsoft will be the winner of the console war. Far from it. I have absolutely no doubt Microsoft will be in last place this genereation. I sincerely feel Microsoft is the most evil gaming company this generation, especially factoring in the lies and denials it offered regarding RROD.

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Unless you appreciate deep thinking, this thread is not for you. I find the video gaming industry very interesting, yet the more I think about it the more I realize why Microsoft will not be the best in internet search and video gaming. Microsoft is simply making too many enemies. As smart as it is, it does not realize that its actions over the years have frightened the human subconscious into perceiving Microsoft as a company not to be trusted with too much control or too much wealth.

1) When it controlled Windows, it used its monopoly to force computer makers and users to adopt Internet Explorer by default. It also used its windows monopoly in other computer related industries. The world found Microsoft guilty of abusing its monopoly and fined the company billions. The subconsious of people all over the world will forever remember Microsoft as a company not to be trusted too much control of any industry.

2) Microsofts tries to compete in too many industries, and a long the way they make enemies in the following areas: operating systems, servers, databases, word processing, spreadsheets, software development suites, HD formats, advertizements, cable news and last but not least video gaming. In every area, Microsoft does not hesitate to do whatever it can to win, so long as it can get away with it. As such, Microsoft has tried to use its monoplies and wealth to its advantage against all competitors. No one likes to see a bully succeeds. It's built into the human subconcious.

Not only is microsoft making enemies with its competitors, it also makes enemies with people who read or hear about their business pratices. Take HD DVD vs. Blu-ray for example. Microsoft uses its money and influence to convince Toshiba to fight alone against Blu-ray. It told Xbox 360 owners that HD DVD was better, but it refused to make an Xbox 360 SKU with HD DVD built in. It's like Microsoft gave Toshiba a gun to fight while it sat on the sidelines, hoping the fight would continue forever, consumers and the entire movie industry be damned. Microsoft was a company willing to throw money around just to perpetuate a war.

Take another example of abusing its wealth in video games. Instead of creating more new exclusives, it pays 3rd party publishers to to release games on its console first. Now, 360 owners like it just fine. But in the back of their minds, their subconscious sees Microsof as a bully using its wealth, not creativity or hardwork, as a means to achieve its ends. I would respect Microsoft a lot more if uses the money to create new exclusives or to lower the price of its consoles. Using money to obtain timed exlusives is too much of a bullying, I-am-richer-than-you tactic.

Now some of you might think I am writing this because I fear Microsoft will be the winner of the console war. Far from it. I have absolutely no doubt Microsoft will be in last place this genereation. I sincerely feel Microsoft is the most evil gaming company this generation, especially factoring in the lies and denials it offered regarding RROD.

Sihanouk

Wow that is pretty fanboyish even going by system war standards.

So? They're sharp businessmen. And it's not like Sony have clean hands either ("Most people, I think, don't even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?"). You don't get to this level unless you've embraced dog-eat-dog.

Rule #1 of business: when you see a competitor drowning, you shove a hose down their throat. MS got where they are because they were lucky, but they've stayed where they are because they don't let up on a competitor until they're destroyed (and even then, you keep an eye on whoever buys the IP or hires the key people).

Yep. Microsoft is the devil. Oh so very evil.

Its a good thing no other companies have ever done anything to make money and keep them evil shareholders happy.

After reading that i realized

Wow that is pretty fanboyish even going by system war standards.

rybe1025

this is awfully extreme. and I've seen a lot of posts here.

heres another thing. why is so many call sony arrogant and criticize Sony yet ms has the with the worst hardware(rrod, disk scraching, etc) and they nickle and dimes everyone, but sony they lied so they're bad.... some still mention ps2 problems even though sony a) fixed it plus it was never as bad as rrod. wtf....... makes you think about how backward people are on this thread.sireclaborn

right. it's only fair to criticize ms. picking on sony is bad :| :lol:

Unless you appreciate deep thinking, this thread is not for you. I find the video gaming industry very interesting, yet the more I think about it the more I realize why Microsoft will not be the best in internet search and video gaming. Microsoft is simply making too many enemies. As smart as it is, it does not realize that its actions over the years have frightened the human subconscious into perceiving Microsoft as a company not to be trusted with too much control or too much wealth.

1) When it controlled Windows, it used its monopoly to force computer makers and users to adopt Internet Explorer by default. It also used its windows monopoly in other computer related industries. The world found Microsoft guilty of abusing its monopoly and fined the company billions. The subconsious of people all over the world will forever remember Microsoft as a company not to be trusted with too much control of any industry.

2) Microsofts now tries to compete in too many industries, and a long the way it makes enemies in the following areas: operating systems, servers, databases, word processing, spreadsheets, software development suites, HD formats, advertizements, cable news and last but not least video gaming. In every area, Microsoft does not hesitate to do whatever it can to win, so long as it can get away with it. As such, Microsoft has tried to use its monoplies and wealth to its advantage against all competitors. No one likes to see a bully succeeds. It's built into the human subconcious.

Not only is microsoft making enemies with its competitors, it also makes enemies with people who read or hear about their business pratices. Take HD DVD vs. Blu-ray for example. Microsoft uses its money and influence to convince Toshiba to fight alone against Blu-ray. It told Xbox 360 owners that HD DVD was better, but it refused to make an Xbox 360 SKU with HD DVD built in. It's like Microsoft gave Toshiba a gun to fight while it sat on the sidelines, hoping the fight would continue forever, consumers and the entire movie industry be damned. Microsoft was a company willing to throw money around just to perpetuate a war.

Take another example of abusing its wealth in video games. Instead of creating more new exclusives, it pays 3rd party publishers to to release games on its console first. Now, 360 owners like it just fine. But in the back of their minds, their subconscious sees Microsof as a bully using pure wealth, not creativity or hardwork, as a means to achieve its ends. I would respect Microsoft a lot more if uses the money to create new exclusives or to lower the price of its consoles. Using money to obtain timed exlusives is too much of a bullying, I-am-richer-than-you tactic.

Now some of you might think I am writing this because I fear Microsoft will be the winner of the console war. Far from it. I have absolutely no doubt Microsoft will be in last place this genereation. I sincerely feel Microsoft is the most evil gaming company this generation, especially factoring in the lies and denials it offered regarding RROD.

Sihanouk

bubut its picking on sooonnnyy!!! :cry:

Oh boyzies are oh boystarous.

Okay then it's settled, you love MS but aren't in love with MS - right ? :P

Please explain to me how Microsoft used it's power and influence to get Toshiba to go it alone against Sony for the format war. Toshiba was trying to win the race against Sony and it's partners for in the format war. Microsoft would have included an HD-DVD drive in each 360 by defaulkt if it actually wanted a deep say in the war. However they repeatedly said they didn't want to have anything to do with it and they wanted to put themselves behind what they were marketign themmselves; digital downloads. While I ma perfectly awar eof Miscrosoft's quetionable marketign strategies in the past don't act like Sony or any other big name company is perfectly innocent. It looks to me like you are taking random things and blaming each one on MS in some way or another. This is the similar argument you hear from many a hacker (Well at least intelligent ones and not ones that just say "MS sucks pwn3d!!!") has made and it's completely rediculous.BumFluff122

It influenced Intel and HP to verbally support HD-DVD, giving Toshiba more reasons to fight against the Blu-ray team. After all, only Toshiba made HD-DVD hardware. They didn't repeatedly say they don't want to have anything with the format war. Far from it. They tried to get Xbox 360 owners to buy the HD-DVD add-on, after all. They were trying to prolong the war by losing as little money as possible, basically tricking Toshiba into fighting the war alone.

I know other companies, including Sony and Nintendo isn't above using money as an advantage. Just like most people who end up being a dictator will be corrupted with power. The thing is, microsoft has reached that dictator status, and has shown that has been corrupted. I can understand why it happened to Microsoft. But it doesn't mean I should let Microsoft get away with it.

[QUOTE="sireclaborn"]heres another thing. why is so many call sony arrogant and criticize Sony yet ms has the with the worst hardware(rrod, disk scraching, etc) and they nickle and dimes everyone, but sony they lied so they're bad.... some still mention ps2 problems even though sony a) fixed it plus it was never as bad as rrod. wtf....... makes you think about how backward people are on this thread.facebooker

right. it's only fair to criticize ms. picking on sony is bad :| :lol:

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

Unless you appreciate deep thinking, this thread is not for you. I find the video gaming industry very interesting, yet the more I think about it the more I realize why Microsoft will not be the best in internet search and video gaming. Microsoft is simply making too many enemies. As smart as it is, it does not realize that its actions over the years have frightened the human subconscious into perceiving Microsoft as a company not to be trusted with too much control or too much wealth.

1) When it controlled Windows, it used its monopoly to force computer makers and users to adopt Internet Explorer by default. It also used its windows monopoly in other computer related industries. The world found Microsoft guilty of abusing its monopoly and fined the company billions. The subconsious of people all over the world will forever remember Microsoft as a company not to be trusted with too much control of any industry.

2) Microsofts now tries to compete in too many industries, and a long the way it makes enemies in the following areas: operating systems, servers, databases, word processing, spreadsheets, software development suites, HD formats, advertizements, cable news and last but not least video gaming. In every area, Microsoft does not hesitate to do whatever it can to win, so long as it can get away with it. As such, Microsoft has tried to use its monoplies and wealth to its advantage against all competitors. No one likes to see a bully succeeds. It's built into the human subconcious.

Not only is microsoft making enemies with its competitors, it also makes enemies with people who read or hear about their business pratices. Take HD DVD vs. Blu-ray for example. Microsoft uses its money and influence to convince Toshiba to fight alone against Blu-ray. It told Xbox 360 owners that HD DVD was better, but it refused to make an Xbox 360 SKU with HD DVD built in. It's like Microsoft gave Toshiba a gun to fight while it sat on the sidelines, hoping the fight would continue forever, consumers and the entire movie industry be damned. Microsoft was a company willing to throw money around just to perpetuate a war.

Take another example of abusing its wealth in video games. Instead of creating more new exclusives, it pays 3rd party publishers to to release games on its console first. Now, 360 owners like it just fine. But in the back of their minds, their subconscious sees Microsof as a bully using pure wealth, not creativity or hardwork, as a means to achieve its ends. I would respect Microsoft a lot more if uses the money to create new exclusives or to lower the price of its consoles. Using money to obtain timed exlusives is too much of a bullying, I-am-richer-than-you tactic.

Now some of you might think I am writing this because I fear Microsoft will be the winner of the console war. Far from it. I have absolutely no doubt Microsoft will be in last place this genereation. I sincerely feel Microsoft is the most evil gaming company this generation, especially factoring in the lies and denials it offered regarding RROD.

facebooker

bubut its picking on sooonnnyy!!! :cry:

It picked on the wrong company. It will lose the war.

heres another thing. why is so many call sony arrogant and criticize Sony yet ms has the with the worst hardware(rrod, disk scraching, etc) and they nickle and dimes everyone, but sony they lied so they're bad.... some still mention ps2 problems even though sony a) fixed it plus it was never as bad as rrod. wtf....... makes you think about how backward people are on this thread.sireclaborn

[QUOTE="facebooker"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

Unless you appreciate deep thinking, this thread is not for you. I find the video gaming industry very interesting, yet the more I think about it the more I realize why Microsoft will not be the best in internet search and video gaming. Microsoft is simply making too many enemies. As smart as it is, it does not realize that its actions over the years have frightened the human subconscious into perceiving Microsoft as a company not to be trusted with too much control or too much wealth.

1) When it controlled Windows, it used its monopoly to force computer makers and users to adopt Internet Explorer by default. It also used its windows monopoly in other computer related industries. The world found Microsoft guilty of abusing its monopoly and fined the company billions. The subconsious of people all over the world will forever remember Microsoft as a company not to be trusted with too much control of any industry.

2) Microsofts now tries to compete in too many industries, and a long the way it makes enemies in the following areas: operating systems, servers, databases, word processing, spreadsheets, software development suites, HD formats, advertizements, cable news and last but not least video gaming. In every area, Microsoft does not hesitate to do whatever it can to win, so long as it can get away with it. As such, Microsoft has tried to use its monoplies and wealth to its advantage against all competitors. No one likes to see a bully succeeds. It's built into the human subconcious.

Not only is microsoft making enemies with its competitors, it also makes enemies with people who read or hear about their business pratices. Take HD DVD vs. Blu-ray for example. Microsoft uses its money and influence to convince Toshiba to fight alone against Blu-ray. It told Xbox 360 owners that HD DVD was better, but it refused to make an Xbox 360 SKU with HD DVD built in. It's like Microsoft gave Toshiba a gun to fight while it sat on the sidelines, hoping the fight would continue forever, consumers and the entire movie industry be damned. Microsoft was a company willing to throw money around just to perpetuate a war.

Take another example of abusing its wealth in video games. Instead of creating more new exclusives, it pays 3rd party publishers to to release games on its console first. Now, 360 owners like it just fine. But in the back of their minds, their subconscious sees Microsof as a bully using pure wealth, not creativity or hardwork, as a means to achieve its ends. I would respect Microsoft a lot more if uses the money to create new exclusives or to lower the price of its consoles. Using money to obtain timed exlusives is too much of a bullying, I-am-richer-than-you tactic.

Now some of you might think I am writing this because I fear Microsoft will be the winner of the console war. Far from it. I have absolutely no doubt Microsoft will be in last place this genereation. I sincerely feel Microsoft is the most evil gaming company this generation, especially factoring in the lies and denials it offered regarding RROD.

Sihanouk

bubut its picking on sooonnnyy!!! :cry:

It picked on the wrong company. It will lose the war.

oh. i dont see sony doing anything effective regarding ff13

Why do you say they're involved in too many industries? :| They're in no more than Sony.Ninja-Hippo

The difference with other companies involved in many, many industries is that Microsoft has a history of massively abusing its monopoly and using pure money to achieve its ends. While many companies have abused their monopolies, Microsoft is the biggest of them all.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Please explain to me how Microsoft used it's power and influence to get Toshiba to go it alone against Sony for the format war. Toshiba was trying to win the race against Sony and it's partners for in the format war. Microsoft would have included an HD-DVD drive in each 360 by defaulkt if it actually wanted a deep say in the war. However they repeatedly said they didn't want to have anything to do with it and they wanted to put themselves behind what they were marketign themmselves; digital downloads. While I ma perfectly awar eof Miscrosoft's quetionable marketign strategies in the past don't act like Sony or any other big name company is perfectly innocent. It looks to me like you are taking random things and blaming each one on MS in some way or another. This is the similar argument you hear from many a hacker (Well at least intelligent ones and not ones that just say "MS sucks pwn3d!!!") has made and it's completely rediculous.Sihanouk

It influenced Intel and HP to verbally support HD-DVD, giving Toshiba more reasons to fight against the Blu-ray team. After all, only Toshiba made HD-DVD hardware. They didn't repeatedly say they don't want to have anything with the format war. Far from it. They tried to get Xbox 360 owners to buy the HD-DVD add-on, after all. They were trying to prolong the war by losing as little money as possible, basically tricking Toshiba into fighting the war alone.

I know other companies, including Sony and Nintendo isn't above using money as an advantage. Just like most people who end up being a dictator will be corrupted with power. The thing is, microsoft has reached that dictator status, and has shown that has been corrupted. I can understand why it happened to Microsoft. But it doesn't mean I should let Microsoft get away with it.

[QUOTE="sireclaborn"]heres another thing. why is so many call sony arrogant and criticize Sony yet ms has the with the worst hardware(rrod, disk scraching, etc) and they nickle and dimes everyone, but sony they lied so they're bad.... some still mention ps2 problems even though sony a) fixed it plus it was never as bad as rrod. wtf....... makes you think about how backward people are on this thread.facebooker

right. it's only fair to criticize ms. picking on sony is bad :| :lol:

no... if your going to call a company arrogant or criticize them for lying do it right. don't call sony a liar when ms can't even fix the 360. would you rather have a broken console or a support company that lied during e3 of 05 when the consoles was still in development

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Why do you say they're involved in too many industries? :| They're in no more than Sony.Sihanouk

The difference with other companies involved in many, many industries is that Microsoft has a history of massively abusing its monopoly and using pure money to achieve its ends. While many companies have abused their monopolies, Microsoft is the biggest of them all.

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="facebooker"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

Unless you appreciate deep thinking, this thread is not for you. I find the video gaming industry very interesting, yet the more I think about it the more I realize why Microsoft will not be the best in internet search and video gaming. Microsoft is simply making too many enemies. As smart as it is, it does not realize that its actions over the years have frightened the human subconscious into perceiving Microsoft as a company not to be trusted with too much control or too much wealth.

1) When it controlled Windows, it used its monopoly to force computer makers and users to adopt Internet Explorer by default. It also used its windows monopoly in other computer related industries. The world found Microsoft guilty of abusing its monopoly and fined the company billions. The subconsious of people all over the world will forever remember Microsoft as a company not to be trusted with too much control of any industry.

2) Microsofts now tries to compete in too many industries, and a long the way it makes enemies in the following areas: operating systems, servers, databases, word processing, spreadsheets, software development suites, HD formats, advertizements, cable news and last but not least video gaming. In every area, Microsoft does not hesitate to do whatever it can to win, so long as it can get away with it. As such, Microsoft has tried to use its monoplies and wealth to its advantage against all competitors. No one likes to see a bully succeeds. It's built into the human subconcious.

Not only is microsoft making enemies with its competitors, it also makes enemies with people who read or hear about their business pratices. Take HD DVD vs. Blu-ray for example. Microsoft uses its money and influence to convince Toshiba to fight alone against Blu-ray. It told Xbox 360 owners that HD DVD was better, but it refused to make an Xbox 360 SKU with HD DVD built in. It's like Microsoft gave Toshiba a gun to fight while it sat on the sidelines, hoping the fight would continue forever, consumers and the entire movie industry be damned. Microsoft was a company willing to throw money around just to perpetuate a war.

Take another example of abusing its wealth in video games. Instead of creating more new exclusives, it pays 3rd party publishers to to release games on its console first. Now, 360 owners like it just fine. But in the back of their minds, their subconscious sees Microsof as a bully using pure wealth, not creativity or hardwork, as a means to achieve its ends. I would respect Microsoft a lot more if uses the money to create new exclusives or to lower the price of its consoles. Using money to obtain timed exlusives is too much of a bullying, I-am-richer-than-you tactic.

Now some of you might think I am writing this because I fear Microsoft will be the winner of the console war. Far from it. I have absolutely no doubt Microsoft will be in last place this genereation. I sincerely feel Microsoft is the most evil gaming company this generation, especially factoring in the lies and denials it offered regarding RROD.

facebooker

bubut its picking on sooonnnyy!!! :cry:

It picked on the wrong company. It will lose the war.

oh. i dont see sony doing anything effective regarding ff13

I can see Sony doing many things effective that make Xbox 360 the loser in the console war.

Unless you appreciate deep thinking, this thread is not for you. I find the video gaming industry very interesting, yet the more I think about it the more I realize why Microsoft will not be the best in internet search and video gaming. Microsoft is simply making too many enemies. As smart as it is, it does not realize that its actions over the years have frightened the human subconscious into perceiving Microsoft as a company not to be trusted with too much control or too much wealth.

1) When it controlled Windows, it used its monopoly to force computer makers and users to adopt Internet Explorer by default. It also used its windows monopoly in other computer related industries. The world found Microsoft guilty of abusing its monopoly and fined the company billions. The subconsious of people all over the world will forever remember Microsoft as a company not to be trusted with too much control of any industry.

2) Microsofts now tries to compete in too many industries, and a long the way it makes enemies in the following areas: operating systems, servers, databases, word processing, spreadsheets, software development suites, HD formats, advertizements, cable news and last but not least video gaming. In every area, Microsoft does not hesitate to do whatever it can to win, so long as it can get away with it. As such, Microsoft has tried to use its monoplies and wealth to its advantage against all competitors. No one likes to see a bully succeeds. It's built into the human subconcious.

Not only is microsoft making enemies with its competitors, it also makes enemies with people who read or hear about their business pratices. Take HD DVD vs. Blu-ray for example. Microsoft uses its money and influence to convince Toshiba to fight alone against Blu-ray. It told Xbox 360 owners that HD DVD was better, but it refused to make an Xbox 360 SKU with HD DVD built in. It's like Microsoft gave Toshiba a gun to fight while it sat on the sidelines, hoping the fight would continue forever, consumers and the entire movie industry be damned. Microsoft was a company willing to throw money around just to perpetuate a war.

Take another example of abusing its wealth in video games. Instead of creating more new exclusives, it pays 3rd party publishers to to release games on its console first. Now, 360 owners like it just fine. But in the back of their minds, their subconscious sees Microsof as a bully using pure wealth, not creativity or hardwork, as a means to achieve its ends. I would respect Microsoft a lot more if uses the money to create new exclusives or to lower the price of its consoles. Using money to obtain timed exlusives is too much of a bullying, I-am-richer-than-you tactic.

Now some of you might think I am writing this because I fear Microsoft will be the winner of the console war. Far from it. I have absolutely no doubt Microsoft will be in last place this genereation. I sincerely feel Microsoft is the most evil gaming company this generation, especially factoring in the lies and denials it offered regarding RROD.

Sihanouk

you are the worst kind of fanboy...

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Why do you say they're involved in too many industries? :| They're in no more than Sony.Sihanouk

The difference with other companies involved in many, many industries is that Microsoft has a history of massively abusing its monopoly and using pure money to achieve its ends. While many companies have abused their monopolies, Microsoft is the biggest of them all.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Please explain to me how Microsoft used it's power and influence to get Toshiba to go it alone against Sony for the format war. Toshiba was trying to win the race against Sony and it's partners for in the format war. Microsoft would have included an HD-DVD drive in each 360 by defaulkt if it actually wanted a deep say in the war. However they repeatedly said they didn't want to have anything to do with it and they wanted to put themselves behind what they were marketign themmselves; digital downloads. While I ma perfectly awar eof Miscrosoft's quetionable marketign strategies in the past don't act like Sony or any other big name company is perfectly innocent. It looks to me like you are taking random things and blaming each one on MS in some way or another. This is the similar argument you hear from many a hacker (Well at least intelligent ones and not ones that just say "MS sucks pwn3d!!!") has made and it's completely rediculous.Sihanouk

It influenced Intel and HP to verbally support HD-DVD, giving Toshiba more reasons to fight against the Blu-ray team. After all, only Toshiba made HD-DVD hardware. They didn't repeatedly say they don't want to have anything with the format war. Far from it. They tried to get Xbox 360 owners to buy the HD-DVD add-on, after all. They were trying to prolong the war by losing as little money as possible, basically tricking Toshiba into fighting the war alone.

I know other companies, including Sony and Nintendo isn't above using money as an advantage. Just like most people who end up being a dictator will be corrupted with power. The thing is, microsoft has reached that dictator status, and has shown that has been corrupted. I can understand why it happened to Microsoft. But it doesn't mean I should let Microsoft get away with it.

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Please explain to me how Microsoft used it's power and influence to get Toshiba to go it alone against Sony for the format war. Toshiba was trying to win the race against Sony and it's partners for in the format war. Microsoft would have included an HD-DVD drive in each 360 by defaulkt if it actually wanted a deep say in the war. However they repeatedly said they didn't want to have anything to do with it and they wanted to put themselves behind what they were marketign themmselves; digital downloads. While I ma perfectly awar eof Miscrosoft's quetionable marketign strategies in the past don't act like Sony or any other big name company is perfectly innocent. It looks to me like you are taking random things and blaming each one on MS in some way or another. This is the similar argument you hear from many a hacker (Well at least intelligent ones and not ones that just say "MS sucks pwn3d!!!") has made and it's completely rediculous.BumFluff122

It influenced Intel and HP to verbally support HD-DVD, giving Toshiba more reasons to fight against the Blu-ray team. After all, only Toshiba made HD-DVD hardware. They didn't repeatedly say they don't want to have anything with the format war. Far from it. They tried to get Xbox 360 owners to buy the HD-DVD add-on, after all. They were trying to prolong the war by losing as little money as possible, basically tricking Toshiba into fighting the war alone.

I know other companies, including Sony and Nintendo isn't above using money as an advantage. Just like most people who end up being a dictator will be corrupted with power. The thing is, microsoft has reached that dictator status, and has shown that has been corrupted. I can understand why it happened to Microsoft. But it doesn't mean I should let Microsoft get away with it.

Other companies support HD_DVD mostly because Toshiba give them money or promotional benefits. Toshiba did that beacause it believed it had a chance to win the war. It believed so because Microsoft pledged its support. However Microsoft was telling the world, including Xbox 360 gamers, to support HD-DVD, a product Microsoft didn't have enough confidence in to have it built into Xbox 360. It was preaching what it didnt' practice. Very bad.

Microsoft reached dictator status, and it was corrupted, very much so. Why do you think countries all over the world found Microsoft guilty? And that's my point: Microsoft has been and continued to act like a bully, and as such, it will not win internet search or the console war. Human beings have a built-in hatred towards bullies.

Other companies support HD_DVD mostly because Toshiba give them money or promotional benefits. Toshiba did that beacause it believed it had a chance to win the war. It believed so because Microsoft pledged its support. However Microsoft was telling the world, including Xbox 360 gamers, to support HD-DVD, a product Microsoft didn't have enough confidence in to have it built into Xbox 360. It was preaching what it didnt' practice. Very bad.

Microsoft reached dictator status, and it was corrupted, very much so. Why do you think countries all over the world found Microsoft guilty? And that's my point: Microsoft has been and continued to act like a bully, and as such, it will not win internet search or the console war. Human beings have a built-in hatred towards bullies.

Sihanouk

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]Other companies support HD_DVD mostly because Toshiba give them money or promotional benefits. Toshiba did that beacause it believed it had a chance to win the war. It believed so because Microsoft pledged its support. However Microsoft was telling the world, including Xbox 360 gamers, to support HD-DVD, a product Microsoft didn't have enough confidence in to have it built into Xbox 360. It was preaching what it didnt' practice. Very bad.

Microsoft reached dictator status, and it was corrupted, very much so. Why do you think countries all over the world found Microsoft guilty? And that's my point: Microsoft has been and continued to act like a bully, and as such, it will not win internet search or the console war. Human beings have a built-in hatred towards bullies.

BumFluff122

I agree wholeheartedly. Microsoft is the only company that lies and throws their weight around. Can't wait for the 4D games to start popping out for the PS3. Get over yourself. Microsoft is no more evil than any other company. In fact, I'd argue even less so. I haven't seen many charity events and organizations sponsored by Sony. Maybe their honor gets in the way of humanitarianism. PapaJohn24

yeah i just wrote something about sony lies. would you rather a company lie about 4d or a company that 3 years after launch still has crap hardware. im not sayings sony is the best company but ms has never done anything good for its consumers.

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

Other companies support HD_DVD mostly because Toshiba give them money or promotional benefits. Toshiba did that beacause it believed it had a chance to win the war. It believed so because Microsoft pledged its support. However Microsoft was telling the world, including Xbox 360 gamers, to support HD-DVD, a product Microsoft didn't have enough confidence in to have it built into Xbox 360. It was preaching what it didnt' practice. Very bad.

farrell2k

You do realize that HD-DVD was not available when the 360 was being developed, and that it also was not available when the console launched, right?

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Please explain to me how Microsoft used it's power and influence to get Toshiba to go it alone against Sony for the format war. Toshiba was trying to win the race against Sony and it's partners for in the format war. Microsoft would have included an HD-DVD drive in each 360 by defaulkt if it actually wanted a deep say in the war. However they repeatedly said they didn't want to have anything to do with it and they wanted to put themselves behind what they were marketign themmselves; digital downloads. While I ma perfectly awar eof Miscrosoft's quetionable marketign strategies in the past don't act like Sony or any other big name company is perfectly innocent. It looks to me like you are taking random things and blaming each one on MS in some way or another. This is the similar argument you hear from many a hacker (Well at least intelligent ones and not ones that just say "MS sucks pwn3d!!!") has made and it's completely rediculous.Sihanouk

It influenced Intel and HP to verbally support HD-DVD, giving Toshiba more reasons to fight against the Blu-ray team. After all, only Toshiba made HD-DVD hardware. They didn't repeatedly say they don't want to have anything with the format war. Far from it. They tried to get Xbox 360 owners to buy the HD-DVD add-on, after all. They were trying to prolong the war by losing as little money as possible, basically tricking Toshiba into fighting the war alone.

I know other companies, including Sony and Nintendo isn't above using money as an advantage. Just like most people who end up being a dictator will be corrupted with power. The thing is, microsoft has reached that dictator status, and has shown that has been corrupted. I can understand why it happened to Microsoft. But it doesn't mean I should let Microsoft get away with it.

Other companies support HD_DVD mostly because Toshiba give them money or promotional benefits. Toshiba did that beacause it believed it had a chance to win the war. It believed so because Microsoft pledged its support. However Microsoft was telling the world, including Xbox 360 gamers, to support HD-DVD, a product Microsoft didn't have enough confidence in to have it built into Xbox 360. It was preaching what it didnt' practice. Very bad.

Microsoft reached dictator status, and it was corrupted, very much so. Why do you think countries all over the world found Microsoft guilty? And that's my point: Microsoft has been and continued to act like a bully, and as such, it will not win internet search or the console war. Human beings have a built-in hatred towards bullies.

wrong - MS were telling the world that digital download is the future (go it look it up i cant be bothered to link) and that they wouldnt make consumers pay an extra $100 per console for a format that may not succeed. looks like they made the right choice as I doubt inc HDDVD would have a) sold more xboxes or b) changed the HD format war.

[QUOTE="farrell2k"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

Other companies support HD_DVD mostly because Toshiba give them money or promotional benefits. Toshiba did that beacause it believed it had a chance to win the war. It believed so because Microsoft pledged its support. However Microsoft was telling the world, including Xbox 360 gamers, to support HD-DVD, a product Microsoft didn't have enough confidence in to have it built into Xbox 360. It was preaching what it didnt' practice. Very bad.

BumFluff122

You do realize that HD-DVD was not available when the 360 was being developed, and that it also was not available when the console launched, right?

[QUOTE="PapaJohn24"]I agree wholeheartedly. Microsoft is the only company that lies and throws their weight around. Can't wait for the 4D games to start popping out for the PS3. Get over yourself. Microsoft is no more evil than any other company. In fact, I'd argue even less so. I haven't seen many charity events and organizations sponsored by Sony. Maybe their honor gets in the way of humanitarianism. sireclaborn

yeah i just wrote something about sony lies. would you rather a company lie about 4d or a company that 3 years after launch still has crap hardware. im not sayings sony is the best company but ms has never done anything good for its consumers.

off the top of my head...

Red vs Blue charity event?? offering Free undertow game to apologise for an xbox live glitch ?? free shipping and repair for defective console??...no these are actually bad things..:roll:

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"][QUOTE="farrell2k"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

Other companies support HD_DVD mostly because Toshiba give them money or promotional benefits. Toshiba did that beacause it believed it had a chance to win the war. It believed so because Microsoft pledged its support. However Microsoft was telling the world, including Xbox 360 gamers, to support HD-DVD, a product Microsoft didn't have enough confidence in to have it built into Xbox 360. It was preaching what it didnt' practice. Very bad.

cainetao11

You do realize that HD-DVD was not available when the 360 was being developed, and that it also was not available when the console launched, right?