Yeah Microsoft it's horrible! by far, worse than Hitler Bush, and Osama combined! D:club-sandwich
Putting Bush in the same sentence as Hitler and Osama shows how miniscule your knowledge of this world and its history truly is.
Microsoft: Making enemies by being a bully and attacking the subconcious.
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[QUOTE="club-sandwich"]Yeah Microsoft it's horrible! by far, worse than Hitler Bush, and Osama combined! D:WillieBeamish
Putting Bush in the same sentence as Hitler and Osama shows how miniscule your knowledge of this world and its history truly is.
Yes, that is a classic moronic taunt from somebody who hates a guy but has no strong intellectual reason why. George Bush put millions of Jews in the labor camps, ovens, and gas chambers while simultaneously blowing up purely civilian targets with 4 airplanes doubling as cruise missles. How dare he use the military to protect the security of this nation and retaliate against those who wish to do us harm. I've been holding that one back forever on this board with all the ignorant sigs that I see. Anyway...
Anyway, it's hard to make an argument that Microsoft lied about the RROD when they have a menu option on their phone service solely dedicated to the RROD. They spent billions trying to fix the RROD while fixing broken consoles at no cost to the consumer. They even lied about the RROD so much that they extended the warranty to 3 years! Those devils!
In terms of MS nickle and diming you, nobody forces you to buy these things. You can play every single game that MS provides with their bare-bones package. If you want a more premium package, you'll have to pay more. At least you have the option. With the PS3 (which I now also own and love), even if don't have wireless internet or an HDTV to enjoy blu-ray, you still pay for those things. If you have them, you get a good deal. With the 360, if you don't want the frills, you can still play the games without any additional cost. That's not nickle and diming you.
*looks at his screen* yes windows logo? destroy all competition? *gets shovel* must find all rival software at my local wal-mart and bury it out back...
:lol: He actually makes sense with that statement if you knew what he was talking about.:lol: Look at point #1. "When it controlled Windows." MS gave up control over Windows? MS is a great company. I think its funny you hate it. :lol:
farrell2k
Has nintendo used any questionable market strategies?
Besides, you know, the one they're using now?
Well, it's official...............................
I suppose most of what you say is true IF I look at it from that angle, but I don't really notice... Evil maybe too strong a term, but generally I dislike MS for a couple of reasons. One being RROD, their OS platforms and finally their damage control and lies.
Other than that I don't think that these issues are worth that much thought.
Well, #1 wasn't MS' fault, its just that they are so big that if they do certain things it wipes out entire industries. The gov made them bundle Netscape with Windows... thats like buying a PS3 and in the box there are coupons for free system rentals of the Wii and 360. By including a browser the fear was that they'd eliminate all competition... which isn't really MS's fault. I mean, if they released an OS with no browser people would complain about the gimped OS where you had to download a web browser... using the browser that doesn't exist.
Conspiracy theorist would say its industry take over but realistically its silly for an OS not to come with certain things like media players and browsers. MS makes an OS so you'd think it'd be natural for it to come with their browser built-in. But the gov sees it different. Its funny, you're encouraged to start your own companies but if you're successful, people start viewing you like you're Satan... yet if you closed up shop and laid off everyone they'd still say you're Satan. At first because you're in business and then because you're out of business.
MS has already dominated in the pc business so now they move onto videogames which shouldn't be too hard of a transition for them. Really MS doesn't even need to enter any more businesses other than the pc because they have that dominated and they make bank on every pc sold.
I can see where they would enter other industries to try to make more money for the company and the shareholders. Money wise its really almost an unfair advantage. Maybe there will be some kind of law passed that prevents companies from monopolizing in more than one industry?
For a company with 93% market share in the OS market, Microsoft isn't THAT bad. There are other companies with much less market share in certain industries, yet use more evil practises. Apple has 7% market share in the OS/computer market, yet they still price their computers through the roof like as if they had no competition. If you switched the market share between Windows and Apple OS, I don't want to imagine how much a MacBook Air would cost.
Conspiracy theorist would say its industry take over but realistically its silly for an OS not to come with certain things like media players and browsers. MS makes an OS so you'd think it'd be natural for it to come with their browser built-in. But the gov sees it different. Its funny, you're encouraged to start your own companies but if you're successful, people start viewing you like you're Satan... yet if you closed up shop and laid off everyone they'd still say you're Satan. At first because you're in business and then because you're out of business.Senor_KamiThe devil is in the details. It is a question of intent and execution. INTENT: Its not MS's intent to simply full fill a market need by including a browser/media player/codec/API/etc into their OS, it is their intent to lock in their users with proprietary solutions. EXECUTION: It is one thing for MS to include a browser with their OS, it is another thing to embed the browser so deeply into the OS that it can't be removed and users are forced into keeping/using something they might not want. KDE and Konqueror (an analog to IE, a web/file system browser)is an example of how a browser can be included and integrated but also easily replaced at the users discretion.
[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]Conspiracy theorist would say its industry take over but realistically its silly for an OS not to come with certain things like media players and browsers. MS makes an OS so you'd think it'd be natural for it to come with their browser built-in. But the gov sees it different. Its funny, you're encouraged to start your own companies but if you're successful, people start viewing you like you're Satan... yet if you closed up shop and laid off everyone they'd still say you're Satan. At first because you're in business and then because you're out of business.skektekThe devil is in the details. It is a question of intent and execution. INTENT: Its not MS's intent to simply full fill a market need by including a browser/media player/codec/API/etc into their OS, it is their intent to lock intheir users with proprietary solutions. EXECUTION: It is one thing for MS to include a browser with their OS, it is another thing to embed the browser so deeply into the OS that it can't be removed and users are forced into keeping/using something they might not want. KDE and Konqueror (an analog to IE, a web/file system browser)is an example of how a browser can be included and integrated but also easily replaced at the users discretion.
Completely irrelevant.
A company is free to do what they want with their products. If you don't like their product, don't buy it.
It is like Ford going to the government and complaining that GM's engines (or any other car company's) can't be swapped out for Ford engines, therefore GM is trying to "lock in" GM owners who prefer Ford engines.
Competition implies winners. MS, like any other competitor, tried to get as many people as possible to buy its products. People voluntarily chose MS products. MS won. The only way MS could force you to buy their products is if the government created a special law to favor MS. No such law has ever existed. In fact, laws exist to impede MS's success . So, any action that punishes MS, is really an assault on individual choice.
It is ironic that some posters referred to MS as dictatorial when it is the US government that has continuously tried to overthrow individual choice.
The devil is in the details. It is a question of intent and execution. INTENT: Its not MS's intent to simply full fill a market need by including a browser/media player/codec/API/etc into their OS, it is their intent to lock intheir users with proprietary solutions. EXECUTION: It is one thing for MS to include a browser with their OS, it is another thing to embed the browser so deeply into the OS that it can't be removed and users are forced into keeping/using something they might not want. KDE and Konqueror (an analog to IE, a web/file system browser)is an example of how a browser can be included and integrated but also easily replaced at the users discretion.[QUOTE="skektek"][QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]Conspiracy theorist would say its industry take over but realistically its silly for an OS not to come with certain things like media players and browsers. MS makes an OS so you'd think it'd be natural for it to come with their browser built-in. But the gov sees it different. Its funny, you're encouraged to start your own companies but if you're successful, people start viewing you like you're Satan... yet if you closed up shop and laid off everyone they'd still say you're Satan. At first because you're in business and then because you're out of business.WardCleaver02
Completely irrelevant.
A company is free to do what they want with their products. If you don't like their product, don't buy it.
It is like Ford going to the government and complaining that GM's engines (or any other car company's) can't be swapped out for Ford engines, therefore GM is trying to "lock in" GM owners who prefer Ford engines.
Competition implies winners. MS, like any other competitor, tried to get as many people as possible to buy its products. People voluntarily chose MS products. MS won. The only way MS could force you to buy their products is if the government created a special law to favor MS. No such law has ever existed. In fact, laws exist to impede MS's success . So, any action that punishes MS, is really an assault on individual choice.
It is ironic that some posters referred to MS as dictatorial when it is the US government that has continuously tried to overthrow individual choice.
Businesses can't do "what they want" neither can people. We live in a society, we have rights and with those rights come responsibilities and rules. Go into a Best Buy, Circuit City or any store and try to buy a Dell, HP, Compaq, Acer, eMachine, Gateway or any other brand with a choice of any other OS other than MS. Go ahead and try, no I won't wait. Horrible analogy. If you wish to use autos here is better one: you are free to choose whatever brand of car you want (Dell, HP, Acer, ect) but you have no choice as to what engine comes in your new car. All cars come pre-equipped with the same engine (Windows). Even though this engine is slow, inefficient, and is prone to stalling most people tolerate it because they were not given a choice and in most cases people aren't even aware that there are alternatives.So, any action that punishes MS, is really an assault on individual choice.WardCleaver02Wow, its like I just stepped into the Twilight Zone (or you just stepped out).
Unless you appreciate deep thinking, this thread is not for you. I find the video gaming industry very interesting, yet the more I think about it the more I realize why Microsoft will not be the best in internet search and video gaming. Microsoft is simply making too many enemies. As smart as it is, it does not realize that its actions over the years have frightened the human subconscious into perceiving Microsoft as a company not to be trusted with too much control or too much wealth.
1) When it controlled Windows, it used its monopoly to force computer makers and users to adopt Internet Explorer by default. It also used its windows monopoly in other computer related industries. The world found Microsoft guilty of abusing its monopoly and fined the company billions. The subconsious of people all over the world will forever remember Microsoft as a company not to be trusted with too much control of any industry.
2) Microsofts now tries to compete in too many industries, and a long the way it makes enemies in the following areas: operating systems, servers, databases, word processing, spreadsheets, software development suites, HD formats, advertizements, cable news and last but not least video gaming. In every area, Microsoft does not hesitate to do whatever it can to win, so long as it can get away with it. As such, Microsoft has tried to use its monoplies and wealth to its advantage against all competitors. No one likes to see a bully succeeds. It's built into the human subconcious.
Not only is microsoft making enemies with its competitors, it also makes enemies with people who read or hear about their business pratices. Take HD DVD vs. Blu-ray for example. Microsoft uses its money and influence to convince Toshiba to fight alone against Blu-ray. It told Xbox 360 owners that HD DVD was better, but it refused to make an Xbox 360 SKU with HD DVD built in. It's like Microsoft gave Toshiba a gun to fight while it sat on the sidelines, hoping the fight would continue forever, consumers and the entire movie industry be damned. Microsoft was a company willing to throw money around just to perpetuate a war.
Take another example of abusing its wealth in video games. Instead of creating more new exclusives, it pays 3rd party publishers to to release games on its console first. Now, 360 owners like it just fine. But in the back of their minds, their subconscious sees Microsof as a bully using pure wealth, not creativity or hardwork, as a means to achieve its ends. I would respect Microsoft a lot more if uses the money to create new exclusives or to lower the price of its consoles. Using money to obtain timed exlusives is too much of a bullying, I-am-richer-than-you tactic.
Now some of you might think I am writing this because I fear Microsoft will be the winner of the console war. Far from it. I have absolutely no doubt Microsoft will be in last place this genereation. I sincerely feel Microsoft is the most evil gaming company this generation, especially factoring in the lies and denials it offered regarding RROD.
Sihanouk
how long did it take u to think of all this stuff lol? and no, i didnt take u five minutes. Lets be real, you thought about this for a long time and all i gotta say is that this thread is total failure.
[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]Unless you appreciate deep thinking, this thread is not for you. I find the video gaming industry very interesting, yet the more I think about it the more I realize why Microsoft will not be the best in internet search and video gaming. Microsoft is simply making too many enemies. As smart as it is, it does not realize that its actions over the years have frightened the human subconscious into perceiving Microsoft as a company not to be trusted with too much control or too much wealth.
1) When it controlled Windows, it used its monopoly to force computer makers and users to adopt Internet Explorer by default. It also used its windows monopoly in other computer related industries. The world found Microsoft guilty of abusing its monopoly and fined the company billions. The subconsious of people all over the world will forever remember Microsoft as a company not to be trusted with too much control of any industry.
2) Microsofts now tries to compete in too many industries, and a long the way it makes enemies in the following areas: operating systems, servers, databases, word processing, spreadsheets, software development suites, HD formats, advertizements, cable news and last but not least video gaming. In every area, Microsoft does not hesitate to do whatever it can to win, so long as it can get away with it. As such, Microsoft has tried to use its monoplies and wealth to its advantage against all competitors. No one likes to see a bully succeeds. It's built into the human subconcious.
Not only is microsoft making enemies with its competitors, it also makes enemies with people who read or hear about their business pratices. Take HD DVD vs. Blu-ray for example. Microsoft uses its money and influence to convince Toshiba to fight alone against Blu-ray. It told Xbox 360 owners that HD DVD was better, but it refused to make an Xbox 360 SKU with HD DVD built in. It's like Microsoft gave Toshiba a gun to fight while it sat on the sidelines, hoping the fight would continue forever, consumers and the entire movie industry be damned. Microsoft was a company willing to throw money around just to perpetuate a war.
Take another example of abusing its wealth in video games. Instead of creating more new exclusives, it pays 3rd party publishers to to release games on its console first. Now, 360 owners like it just fine. But in the back of their minds, their subconscious sees Microsof as a bully using pure wealth, not creativity or hardwork, as a means to achieve its ends. I would respect Microsoft a lot more if uses the money to create new exclusives or to lower the price of its consoles. Using money to obtain timed exlusives is too much of a bullying, I-am-richer-than-you tactic.
Now some of you might think I am writing this because I fear Microsoft will be the winner of the console war. Far from it. I have absolutely no doubt Microsoft will be in last place this genereation. I sincerely feel Microsoft is the most evil gaming company this generation, especially factoring in the lies and denials it offered regarding RROD.
nahmean187
how long did it take u to think of all this stuff lol? and no, i didnt take u five minutes. Lets be real, you thought about this for a long time and all i gotta say is that this thread is total failure.
Are you actually knocking him because he took the time to think something out... well I guess this is System Wars where u ain't kewl unless you gots da ADD ;)
[QUOTE="WardCleaver02"]The devil is in the details. It is a question of intent and execution. INTENT: Its not MS's intent to simply full fill a market need by including a browser/media player/codec/API/etc into their OS, it is their intent to lock intheir users with proprietary solutions. EXECUTION: It is one thing for MS to include a browser with their OS, it is another thing to embed the browser so deeply into the OS that it can't be removed and users are forced into keeping/using something they might not want. KDE and Konqueror (an analog to IE, a web/file system browser)is an example of how a browser can be included and integrated but also easily replaced at the users discretion.[QUOTE="skektek"][QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]Conspiracy theorist would say its industry take over but realistically its silly for an OS not to come with certain things like media players and browsers. MS makes an OS so you'd think it'd be natural for it to come with their browser built-in. But the gov sees it different. Its funny, you're encouraged to start your own companies but if you're successful, people start viewing you like you're Satan... yet if you closed up shop and laid off everyone they'd still say you're Satan. At first because you're in business and then because you're out of business.skektek
Completely irrelevant.
A company is free to do what they want with their products. If you don't like their product, don't buy it.
It is like Ford going to the government and complaining that GM's engines (or any other car company's) can't be swapped out for Ford engines, therefore GM is trying to "lock in" GM owners who prefer Ford engines.
Competition implies winners. MS, like any other competitor, tried to get as many people as possible to buy its products. People voluntarily chose MS products. MS won. The only way MS could force you to buy their products is if the government created a special law to favor MS. No such law has ever existed. In fact, laws exist to impede MS's success . So, any action that punishes MS, is really an assault on individual choice.
It is ironic that some posters referred to MS as dictatorial when it is the US government that has continuously tried to overthrow individual choice.
Businesses can't do "what they want" neither can people. We live in a society, we have rights and with those rights come responsibilities and rules. Go into a Best Buy, Circuit City or any store and try to buy a Dell, HP, Compaq, Acer, eMachine, Gateway or any other brand with a choice of any other OS other than MS. Go ahead and try, no I won't wait. Horrible analogy. If you wish to use autos here is better one: you are free to choose whatever brand of car you want (Dell, HP, Acer, ect) but you have no choice as to what engine comes in your new car. All cars come pre-equipped with the same engine (Windows). Even though this engine is slow, inefficient, and is prone to stalling most people tolerate it because they were not given a choice and in most cases people aren't even aware that there are alternatives.So, any action that punishes MS, is really an assault on individual choice.WardCleaver02Wow, its like I just stepped into the Twilight Zone (or you just stepped out).
firstly why would any one go to bestbuy to buy a name brand computer? 2nd how is that microsofts fault that those computer companies dont make computers for retail stores that contain linux, you can choose that option on their website so its obviously not some deep seeded contract they've signed.
You talk about being forced to use the browser because its so intergrated into the OS? um once that happens its not longer a browser it is quite literally the OS it self its its browser system to view files now, you are not forced to use IE to surf the net you can download firefox...ect to surf the net the browser part of the IE is now a part of the OS its the actual file browser now which are 2 different things.
[QUOTE="facebooker"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]Unless you appreciate deep thinking, this thread is not for you. I find the video gaming industry very interesting, yet the more I think about it the more I realize why Microsoft will not be the best in internet search and video gaming. Microsoft is simply making too many enemies. As smart as it is, it does not realize that its actions over the years have frightened the human subconscious into perceiving Microsoft as a company not to be trusted with too much control or too much wealth.
1) When it controlled Windows, it used its monopoly to force computer makers and users to adopt Internet Explorer by default. It also used its windows monopoly in other computer related industries. The world found Microsoft guilty of abusing its monopoly and fined the company billions. The subconsious of people all over the world will forever remember Microsoft as a company not to be trusted with too much control of any industry.
2) Microsofts now tries to compete in too many industries, and a long the way it makes enemies in the following areas: operating systems, servers, databases, word processing, spreadsheets, software development suites, HD formats, advertizements, cable news and last but not least video gaming. In every area, Microsoft does not hesitate to do whatever it can to win, so long as it can get away with it. As such, Microsoft has tried to use its monoplies and wealth to its advantage against all competitors. No one likes to see a bully succeeds. It's built into the human subconcious.
Not only is microsoft making enemies with its competitors, it also makes enemies with people who read or hear about their business pratices. Take HD DVD vs. Blu-ray for example. Microsoft uses its money and influence to convince Toshiba to fight alone against Blu-ray. It told Xbox 360 owners that HD DVD was better, but it refused to make an Xbox 360 SKU with HD DVD built in. It's like Microsoft gave Toshiba a gun to fight while it sat on the sidelines, hoping the fight would continue forever, consumers and the entire movie industry be damned. Microsoft was a company willing to throw money around just to perpetuate a war.
Take another example of abusing its wealth in video games. Instead of creating more new exclusives, it pays 3rd party publishers to to release games on its console first. Now, 360 owners like it just fine. But in the back of their minds, their subconscious sees Microsof as a bully using pure wealth, not creativity or hardwork, as a means to achieve its ends. I would respect Microsoft a lot more if uses the money to create new exclusives or to lower the price of its consoles. Using money to obtain timed exlusives is too much of a bullying, I-am-richer-than-you tactic.
Now some of you might think I am writing this because I fear Microsoft will be the winner of the console war. Far from it. I have absolutely no doubt Microsoft will be in last place this genereation. I sincerely feel Microsoft is the most evil gaming company this generation, especially factoring in the lies and denials it offered regarding RROD.
Sihanouk
bubut its picking on sooonnnyy!!! :cry:
It picked on the wrong company. It will lose the war.
Please tell me, what is this war of which you speak?
The console "War" is a dream made up by no lifers (fanboys) who like to immpose there opinion on others, as a way to justify there console choice.
In reality, there is no war. It's just in your head, mate.
[QUOTE="BumFluff122"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Please explain to me how Microsoft used it's power and influence to get Toshiba to go it alone against Sony for the format war. Toshiba was trying to win the race against Sony and it's partners for in the format war. Microsoft would have included an HD-DVD drive in each 360 by defaulkt if it actually wanted a deep say in the war. However they repeatedly said they didn't want to have anything to do with it and they wanted to put themselves behind what they were marketign themmselves; digital downloads. While I ma perfectly awar eof Miscrosoft's quetionable marketign strategies in the past don't act like Sony or any other big name company is perfectly innocent. It looks to me like you are taking random things and blaming each one on MS in some way or another. This is the similar argument you hear from many a hacker (Well at least intelligent ones and not ones that just say "MS sucks pwn3d!!!") has made and it's completely rediculous.Sihanouk
It influenced Intel and HP to verbally support HD-DVD, giving Toshiba more reasons to fight against the Blu-ray team. After all, only Toshiba made HD-DVD hardware. They didn't repeatedly say they don't want to have anything with the format war. Far from it. They tried to get Xbox 360 owners to buy the HD-DVD add-on, after all. They were trying to prolong the war by losing as little money as possible, basically tricking Toshiba into fighting the war alone.
I know other companies, including Sony and Nintendo isn't above using money as an advantage. Just like most people who end up being a dictator will be corrupted with power. The thing is, microsoft has reached that dictator status, and has shown that has been corrupted. I can understand why it happened to Microsoft. But it doesn't mean I should let Microsoft get away with it.
There were plenty of companies supporting the HD_DVD format before either intel or MS got into the format war themselves. Toshiba has long been trying to promote their product. Don't read into things that aren;t there. This is an example of putting the blame on a company that had nothing to do with the choice for Toshiba wanting to promote their product. Granted they did join their team to oppose Sony but you act as if no other company in their right mind would do such a thing. It is big business. If MS did actually reach dictator staus there are plenty of sateies in place that would stop a company from having a complete monopoly. If anything my subconcious has been corrupted by Sony in the past for overpriced shoddy products (And I'm not talking about consoles here.)Other companies support HD_DVD mostly because Toshiba give them money or promotional benefits. Toshiba did that beacause it believed it had a chance to win the war. It believed so because Microsoft pledged its support. However Microsoft was telling the world, including Xbox 360 gamers, to support HD-DVD, a product Microsoft didn't have enough confidence in to have it built into Xbox 360. It was preaching what it didnt' practice. Very bad.
Microsoft reached dictator status, and it was corrupted, very much so. Why do you think countries all over the world found Microsoft guilty? And that's my point: Microsoft has been and continued to act like a bully, and as such, it will not win internet search or the console war. Human beings have a built-in hatred towards bullies.
Seriously you're an idiot Sony fanboy and I hope to GOD you get banned soon. I think almost everyone is sick and tired of reading your MS hate and Sony love fest. You either work for Sony or you have major stock. Either way you're nothing more than a big Sony fanboy with nothing but your OPINIONS to back you up.
[QUOTE="cainetao11"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"][QUOTE="farrell2k"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]Other companies support HD_DVD mostly because Toshiba give them money or promotional benefits. Toshiba did that beacause it believed it had a chance to win the war. It believed so because Microsoft pledged its support. However Microsoft was telling the world, including Xbox 360 gamers, to support HD-DVD, a product Microsoft didn't have enough confidence in to have it built into Xbox 360. It was preaching what it didnt' practice. Very bad.
BumFluff122
You do realize that HD-DVD was not available when the 360 was being developed, and that it also was not available when the console launched, right?
Both HD-DVD and blu-ray have been out years longer than the 360. The ideas for both of these formats began forming in the mid 1990's with prototypes unveiled in the year 2000.Lie. You couldn't buy an HD format player years before the 360. Perhaps you should check out wikipedia under the topic HD DVD before you start calling me a liar.So you're trying to say at the same time DVD was just getting started you could run out and buy a HDDVD or BR player??
Umm maybe YOU should do some research. HDDVD's specs weren't even final before the XBOX360 was finalized.
Microsoft Defines America with the perfection of a master artist... All america wants is power, more power.. money... control... oh. and did i mention power ?Virus214
China?
Russia?
Umm ... Europe?
Me?
Unless you appreciate deep thinking, this thread is not for you. I find the video gaming industry very interesting, yet the more I think about it the more I realize why Microsoft will not be the best in internet search and video gaming. Microsoft is simply making too many enemies. As smart as it is, it does not realize that its actions over the years have frightened the human subconscious into perceiving Microsoft as a company not to be trusted with too much control or too much wealth.
1) When it controlled Windows, it used its monopoly to force computer makers and users to adopt Internet Explorer by default. It also used its windows monopoly in other computer related industries. The world found Microsoft guilty of abusing its monopoly and fined the company billions. The subconsious of people all over the world will forever remember Microsoft as a company not to be trusted with too much control of any industry.
2) Microsofts now tries to compete in too many industries, and a long the way it makes enemies in the following areas: operating systems, servers, databases, word processing, spreadsheets, software development suites, HD formats, advertizements, cable news and last but not least video gaming. In every area, Microsoft does not hesitate to do whatever it can to win, so long as it can get away with it. As such, Microsoft has tried to use its monoplies and wealth to its advantage against all competitors. No one likes to see a bully succeeds. It's built into the human subconcious.
Not only is microsoft making enemies with its competitors, it also makes enemies with people who read or hear about their business pratices. Take HD DVD vs. Blu-ray for example. Microsoft uses its money and influence to convince Toshiba to fight alone against Blu-ray. It told Xbox 360 owners that HD DVD was better, but it refused to make an Xbox 360 SKU with HD DVD built in. It's like Microsoft gave Toshiba a gun to fight while it sat on the sidelines, hoping the fight would continue forever, consumers and the entire movie industry be damned. Microsoft was a company willing to throw money around just to perpetuate a war.
Take another example of abusing its wealth in video games. Instead of creating more new exclusives, it pays 3rd party publishers to to release games on its console first. Now, 360 owners like it just fine. But in the back of their minds, their subconscious sees Microsof as a bully using pure wealth, not creativity or hardwork, as a means to achieve its ends. I would respect Microsoft a lot more if uses the money to create new exclusives or to lower the price of its consoles. Using money to obtain timed exlusives is too much of a bullying, I-am-richer-than-you tactic.
Now some of you might think I am writing this because I fear Microsoft will be the winner of the console war. Far from it. I have absolutely no doubt Microsoft will be in last place this genereation. I sincerely feel Microsoft is the most evil gaming company this generation, especially factoring in the lies and denials it offered regarding RROD.
Sihanouk
BS, anyone? Fanboy, anyone? Tripe, anyone?
(And thanks Glitchspot for deleting my post.)
Businesses can't do "what they want" neither can people. We live in a society, we have rights and with those rights come responsibilities and rules.
I'll ignore the fact that you misquoted me, intentionally leaving out the part where I said that a business can do what it wants with its own products. You took a statement about individual choice and twisted into a statement to imply I supported anarchy. Talk about "twilight zone"
Yes, we live in a society, but technically there is no such entity has a "society", only groups of individuals, including those that run large corporations (a "corporation" is also a group of individuals). Yes, they too have rights, rules and responsibilities. Being individuals, they should be entitled to the same rights that every other individual has.
Among those rights is to voluntarily enter into contracts with other individuals. Your example below of computers at Circuit City and Best Buy is the perfect illustration of this. MS has no legal power to force these companies to use its OS. And, if those PC manufactures thought that using MS's OS would actually cause them to lose business, they wouldn't enter into the agreement. These are all well establised companies, they aren't stupid.
And, there is nothing holding back another OS from entering the market, not even MS. There are investors in the US that could easily pool their money to create a new company, offering a new OS.
Go into a Best Buy, Circuit City or any store and try to buy a Dell, HP, Compaq, Acer, eMachine, Gateway or any other brand with a choice of any other OS other than MS. Go ahead and try, no I won't wait. Horrible analogy. If you wish to use autos here is better one: you are free to choose whatever brand of car you want (Dell, HP, Acer, ect) but you have no choice as to what engine comes in your new car. All cars come pre-equipped with the same engine (Windows). Even though this engine is slow, inefficient, and is prone to stalling most people tolerate it because they were not given a choice and in most cases people aren't even aware that there are alternatives.
This statement is pure speculation and smacks of elitism. How could you possibly know, without asking them, why people buy something, which is an individual action, based on that person's objective consideration of his/her wants? The answer is: you can't.
People always have a choice: to buy or not to buy. And besides, you are trying to convince me that people have never heard of Apple? Again, you are moving into the Twilight Zone. There is no "right" to computers, or OSs, etc. Further, if MS's OS is so bad, and was of absolutely no value to anyone, why would people willing to pay for it? In fact, why wouldn't people just make their own OS? (Be careful how you answer this one.) Is it your assertion that you are some sort of god that can know what people think, and what they should "tolerate" or "not tolerate"? Complete arrogance. It never occured to you that many people actually find value in MS products, including Windows? MS's OS is so bad that people are lined-up at midnight prior to a new release?
Also, if people weren't aware of "alternatives", how is that MS's fault? Now MS gets blamed for people being lazy!?
My analogy about autos was spot-on, given your assertions about the embedded software. Again, you changed the arguement, this time to the OS. But, I'll go ahead answer anyway. Since there would be nothing stopping another engine maker from entering the market, and the fact that people were dissatisfied (your claim), a new engine maker (actually, probably several, depending on the risk) would emerge. Even if said engine maker(s) had to offer their engine(s) for more money (given the fact that initial costs would probably be higher than a well established company that enjoyed economies of scale), they should have no problem selling an engine that actually performs, assuming that the other engine is has bad as you would claim.
Has nintendo used any questionable market strategies?
Besides, you know, the one they're using now?
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During the 8 bit era nintendo was notorious for bullying publishers in to keeping games exclusive. The technicaly superior Sega master system and Atari7800 never had a chance.
[QUOTE="skektek"][QUOTE="WardCleaver02"]The devil is in the details. It is a question of intent and execution. INTENT: Its not MS's intent to simply full fill a market need by including a browser/media player/codec/API/etc into their OS, it is their intent to lock intheir users with proprietary solutions. EXECUTION: It is one thing for MS to include a browser with their OS, it is another thing to embed the browser so deeply into the OS that it can't be removed and users are forced into keeping/using something they might not want. KDE and Konqueror (an analog to IE, a web/file system browser)is an example of how a browser can be included and integrated but also easily replaced at the users discretion.[QUOTE="skektek"][QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]Conspiracy theorist would say its industry take over but realistically its silly for an OS not to come with certain things like media players and browsers. MS makes an OS so you'd think it'd be natural for it to come with their browser built-in. But the gov sees it different. Its funny, you're encouraged to start your own companies but if you're successful, people start viewing you like you're Satan... yet if you closed up shop and laid off everyone they'd still say you're Satan. At first because you're in business and then because you're out of business.WilliamRLBaker
Completely irrelevant.
A company is free to do what they want with their products. If you don't like their product, don't buy it.
It is like Ford going to the government and complaining that GM's engines (or any other car company's) can't be swapped out for Ford engines, therefore GM is trying to "lock in" GM owners who prefer Ford engines.
Competition implies winners. MS, like any other competitor, tried to get as many people as possible to buy its products. People voluntarily chose MS products. MS won. The only way MS could force you to buy their products is if the government created a special law to favor MS. No such law has ever existed. In fact, laws exist to impede MS's success . So, any action that punishes MS, is really an assault on individual choice.
It is ironic that some posters referred to MS as dictatorial when it is the US government that has continuously tried to overthrow individual choice.
Businesses can't do "what they want" neither can people. We live in a society, we have rights and with those rights come responsibilities and rules. Go into a Best Buy, Circuit City or any store and try to buy a Dell, HP, Compaq, Acer, eMachine, Gateway or any other brand with a choice of any other OS other than MS. Go ahead and try, no I won't wait. Horrible analogy. If you wish to use autos here is better one: you are free to choose whatever brand of car you want (Dell, HP, Acer, ect) but you have no choice as to what engine comes in your new car. All cars come pre-equipped with the same engine (Windows). Even though this engine is slow, inefficient, and is prone to stalling most people tolerate it because they were not given a choice and in most cases people aren't even aware that there are alternatives.So, any action that punishes MS, is really an assault on individual choice.WardCleaver02Wow, its like I just stepped into the Twilight Zone (or you just stepped out).
firstly why would any one go to bestbuy to buy a name brand computer? 2nd how is that microsofts fault that those computer companies dont make computers for retail stores that contain linux, you can choose that option on their website so its obviously not some deep seeded contract they've signed.
You talk about being forced to use the browser because its so intergrated into the OS? um once that happens its not longer a browser it is quite literally the OS it self its its browser system to view files now, you are not forced to use IE to surf the net you can download firefox...ect to surf the net the browser part of the IE is now a part of the OS its the actual file browser now which are 2 different things.
You have tunnel-vision, take off the fanboy goggles and reread my post.
Question...there is no simple, efficient way of installing Mac OS X on PC hardware, correct?
If yes then naturally, if you want to use it, you are forced to buy only Apple's desktop or Laptop PCs, right?
So...Apple is wrong for doing this, right?
I mean, if Microsoft is wrong for "forcing" their OS on major hardware manufacturers (snicker) Apple is too, correct?
If yes, then why is Microsoft the only one getting blamed for these kinds of tactics? Technically, since Microsoft does not manufacture PC hardware, consumers are free to build their own or buy from Apple and install whatever OS they want on their machines, right?
I'm detecting a hint of a double standard here...
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