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#1 Mark36111
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Reason #462,501 why it's hard not to hate Microsoft:

Announced on Monday at the keynote conference was XBOX live's new affiliation with ESPN. Amid all the nausea inducing presentations that made-up the latter two-thirds of that conference, this was one new feature that I was actually excited for. I get ESPN through my cable provider, but my TV is standard definition, so I'm forced to watch sporting events in poor quality. However, the monitor my Xbox is connect to is 1080p, so I assumed I would be able to watch ESPN broadcasts in HD through Xbox live.

Wrong.

During the conference, Microsoft left out the small detail that you're only eligible for ESPN on live if your ISP is already elegible for ESPN3 (the internet-based service that ESPN live is based on). So, basically, the only people who will receive ESPN on Xbox live are those who already receive the exact same service on their PC. Users whose ISP does not receive ESPN3 (i.e. the only ones who would actually benefit from receiving ESPN on Xbox live) are left out in the cold, and get nothing. In short, this feature is pointless.

CNET article linked:

Not Everyone is Elegible for ESPN on Xbox Live

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Reason #462,501 why it's hard not to hate Microsoft:

Announced on Monday at the keynote conference was XBOX live's new affiliation with ESPN. Amid all the nausea inducing presentations that made-up the latter two-thirds of that conference, this was one new feature that I was actually excited for. I get ESPN through my cable provider, but my TV is standard definition, so I'm forced to watch sporting events in poor quality. However, the monitor my Xbox is connect to is 1080p, so I assumed I would be able to watch ESPN broadcasts in HD through Xbox live.

Wrong.

During the conference, Microsoft left out the small detail that you're only eligible for ESPN on live if your ISP is already elegible for ESPN3 (the internet-based service that ESPN live is based on). So, basically, the only people who will receive ESPN on Xbox live are those who already receive the exact same service on their PC. Users whose ISP does not receive ESPN3 (i.e. the only ones who would actually benefit from receiving ESPN on Xbox live) are left out in the cold, and get nothing. In short, this feature is pointless.

CNET article linked:

Not Everyone is Elegible for ESPN on Xbox Live

Mark36111

AT&T Uverse supports it, so I can get a 360 and watch the same ESPN content that I already get through AT&T Uverse! Sweet!

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#3 KevinButlerVP
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lol typical MS trying to mislead the customer just like with Kinnect

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#4 HarlockJC
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lol typical MS trying to mislead the customer just like with Kinnect

KevinButlerVP
How is Kinect misleading?
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#5 murat8
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really thats lame i was looking forward to that feature if i buy the new 360 i already use espn3 on my browser but the quality sux so i though this would have been cool but nope as far as i know my isp does not provide his service
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#6 shinrabanshou
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[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]

lol typical MS trying to mislead the customer just like with Kinnect

HarlockJC

How is Kinect misleading?

Skittles lied to me. The little Asian girl tickles Skittles when Kinect can't read fingers according to Digital Foundry.

(The game probably works okay, but the presser was quite smoke and mirrorey)

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#7 KevinButlerVP
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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]

lol typical MS trying to mislead the customer just like with Kinnect

How is Kinect misleading?

they have demos that are pre-recorded
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#8 NoobisMaxcimus
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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]

lol typical MS trying to mislead the customer just like with Kinnect

shinrabanshou

How is Kinect misleading?

Skittles lied to me. The little Asian girl tickles Skittles when Kinect can't read fingers according to Digital Foundry.

(The game probably works okay, but the presser was quite smoke and mirrorey)

But..... why would Skittles lie?

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#9 HavocV3
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how can one mislead without leading you?

they left it out, but, did they say EVERYONE could use it, or lie, lead you? etc...

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#10 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]

lol typical MS trying to mislead the customer just like with Kinnect

HarlockJC
How is Kinect misleading?

They basically won the last E3 by showing a smoke and mirrors show and they lead people to believe it works with 4 players at a time when in fact it only works with two. That's what I remember basically.
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#11 kuraimen
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how can one mislead without leading you?

they left it out, but, did they say EVERYONE could use it, or lie, lead you? etc...

HavocV3
You can mislead by omission.
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#12 Mark36111
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how can one mislead without leading you?

they left it out, but, did they say EVERYONE could use it, or lie, lead you? etc...

HavocV3

I believe they used the term "Xbox Live gold members" to describe who would have access. Since I happen to be a paying Xbox Live gold member, I expected to be able to use this feature.

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#13 Grawse
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Wow what a joke. I'm in Canada too, so there goes my chance of having ESPN on my 360. Thanks M$, always classy.

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#14 lettuceman44
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That detail saddened me :( Time Warner doesn't have ESPN3, and I don't have cable so I was excited when I first heard about the news..........until this one small detail came up.....
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#15 king_bobo
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[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]

lol typical MS trying to mislead the customer just like with Kinnect

HarlockJC
How is Kinect misleading?

I think it's pretty misleading to advertise something as being four-player compatible, when in truth it can only track two players simultaneously...
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#16 xbox360isgr8t
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I really dont see this as misleading. but than again i get it so i dont care hahahah.
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#17 IPWNDU2
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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]

lol typical MS trying to mislead the customer just like with Kinnect

king_bobo

How is Kinect misleading?

I think it's pretty misleading to advertise something as being four-player compatible, when in truth it can only track two players simultaneously...

Yeah well at least one of those players will get to watch ESPN in HD.... o wait...

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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]

lol typical MS trying to mislead the customer just like with Kinnect

shinrabanshou

How is Kinect misleading?

Skittles lied to me. The little Asian girl tickles Skittles when Kinect can't read fingers according to Digital Foundry.

(The game probably works okay, but the presser was quite smoke and mirrorey)

lol god that was so creepy, just felt wrong using that girl as the cute factor to sell the game. Lol then you shift back to the creepy dude wearing sunglassess
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#19 shinrabanshou
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[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"] How is Kinect misleading? Tyrant156

Skittles lied to me. The little Asian girl tickles Skittles when Kinect can't read fingers according to Digital Foundry.

(The game probably works okay, but the presser was quite smoke and mirrorey)

lol god that was so creepy, just felt wrong using that girl as the cute factor to sell the game. Lol then you shift back to the creepy dude wearing sunglassess

What could possibly be creepy about a man enticing little girls with Skittles.

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#20 fueled-system
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That is sad... microsoft oh microsoft why must you lie to me

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#21 Suffca
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Good thing I can watch ESPN on TV!

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#22 R3FURBISHED
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I personally cannot wait for ESPN. Anyone know when it is supposed to show up?
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#23 Aboogie5
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i dont fully understand.. So if you dont have espn 3 on your cable you cannot have it on xbox? Is espn3 an extra service that has to be paid for?

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#24 Seiki_sands
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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]

lol typical MS trying to mislead the customer just like with Kinnect

king_bobo

How is Kinect misleading?

I think it's pretty misleading to advertise something as being four-player compatible, when in truth it can only track two players simultaneously...

And I think its pretty misleading to suggest they've lied about 4 player when 2 player has yet to be confirmed. Since we do know the camera can "see" at least four people and more, but the onboard processor can only do calculations for 2, I don't see why the 360 processor can't do the rest of the work, especially since it does some work anyways.

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#25 93soccer
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lol typical MS trying to mislead the customer just like with Kinnect

KevinButlerVP
Wanna explain to me how Kinect is misleading?
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#26 fueled-system
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[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]

lol typical MS trying to mislead the customer just like with Kinnect

93soccer

Wanna explain to me how Kinect is misleading?

maybe you should read the thread where several people gave examples

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#27 SaintBlaze
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Yep, I'm one of the people Micrososft duped. I was really looking forward to using it too. :(

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#28 BigJerm1
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Reason #462,501 why it's hard not to hate Microsoft:

Announced on Monday at the keynote conference was XBOX live's new affiliation with ESPN. Amid all the nausea inducing presentations that made-up the latter two-thirds of that conference, this was one new feature that I was actually excited for. I get ESPN through my cable provider, but my TV is standard definition, so I'm forced to watch sporting events in poor quality. However, the monitor my Xbox is connect to is 1080p, so I assumed I would be able to watch ESPN broadcasts in HD through Xbox live.

Wrong.

During the conference, Microsoft left out the small detail that you're only eligible for ESPN on live if your ISP is already elegible for ESPN3 (the internet-based service that ESPN live is based on). So, basically, the only people who will receive ESPN on Xbox live are those who already receive the exact same service on their PC. Users whose ISP does not receive ESPN3 (i.e. the only ones who would actually benefit from receiving ESPN on Xbox live) are left out in the cold, and get nothing. In short, this feature is pointless.

CNET article linked:

Not Everyone is Elegible for ESPN on Xbox Live

Mark36111

You know what they say about people who assume. Maybe your expectations weren't met by Microsoft, but you hardly got duped.

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#29 KittenWishes
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How is this misleading?
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#30 Clank-PS-Snake
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I was right in my thread when I said they give misleading info.
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#31 DarthBilf
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Ugh optimum online doesn't support ESPN3 that's so lame. It actually looked really cool.

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#32 BigJerm1
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I was right in my thread when I said they give misleading info.Clank-PS-Snake

Of the big 3, which one of them DOESN'T give misleading info? Look at Sony's E3 the year before the PS3 launch. Why didn't the actual games look like their BS trailers? Misleading! Use your own brain, and it's a lot harder to be misled. Given your screen name though, I'd expect you to give Sony a free pass.

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#33 Modern_Unit
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[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]

lol typical MS trying to mislead the customer just like with Kinnect

93soccer

Wanna explain to me how Kinect is misleading?

Relax, that guy is one of the hardcore cows of SW, look at his username.

on-topic: I have Verizon so i dont care

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#34 FIipMode
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[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]

lol typical MS trying to mislead the customer just like with Kinnect

93soccer
Wanna explain to me how Kinect is misleading?

Pre-recorded demonstrations for starters.
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#35 clone01
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I was right in my thread when I said they give misleading info.Clank-PS-Snake
Hey Kennysolidsnake, er Clank-PS_Snake, what's your gamertag? i've asked before, but i don't think you've seen my request.
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#36 WilliamRLBaker
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so...Microsoft announced something and was free and clear what it meant...but some how because you cant get it or something its misleading?

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#37 BigJerm1
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so...Microsoft announced something and was free and clear what it meant...but some how because you cant get it or something its misleading?

WilliamRLBaker

EXACTLY! Baseless assumptions FTW! Maybe the rage should be directed at each person's ISP that doesn't support the feature. Call me crazy.....

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#38 DarthBilf
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so...Microsoft announced something and was free and clear what it meant...but some how because you cant get it or something its misleading?

WilliamRLBaker
Microsoft said it would be available for free for all Xbox Live Gold subscribers. I have Xbox Live Gold and I can't get it. Misleading.
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#39 fueled-system
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so...Microsoft announced something and was free and clear what it meant...but some how because you cant get it or something its misleading?

WilliamRLBaker

Go back and watch microsofts e3 press conference and then say this. They did mislead with the all gold members will be able to use this comment.

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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

so...Microsoft announced something and was free and clear what it meant...but some how because you cant get it or something its misleading?

DarthBilf

Microsoft said it would be available for free for all Xbox Live Gold subscribers. I have Xbox Live Gold and I can't get it. Misleading.

Same thing when car manufactures run ads that tell you: "You can get car X for only 199/month", and with a magnifying glass, you look at the 2 font words on the bottom of the screen and see it says "Offer only good with qualifying customers"

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#41 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]Go back and watch microsofts e3 press conference and then say this. They did mislead with the all gold members will be able to use this comment.

fueled-system
[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

so...Microsoft announced something and was free and clear what it meant...but some how because you cant get it or something its misleading?

DarthBilf
Microsoft said it would be available for free for all Xbox Live Gold subscribers. I have Xbox Live Gold and I can't get it. Misleading.

yet again, Microsoft announced something and was free and clear what it meant, it was free for all live gold users, because you cant use it because of your cable and internet service provider its Microsofts fault and they are misleading? no sorry.
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#42 Ninja-Hippo
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It's hardly misleading. They said that ESPN Live was coming to the 360... if you know what ESPN live is, you're aware of what that entails. :|

I think we need to look up what misleading means... :P

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#43 Modern_Unit
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[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] [QUOTE="DarthBilf"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

so...Microsoft announced something and was free and clear what it meant...but some how because you cant get it or something its misleading?

WilliamRLBaker

Microsoft said it would be available for free for all Xbox Live Gold subscribers. I have Xbox Live Gold and I can't get it. Misleading.

yet again, Microsoft announced something and was free and clear what it meant, it was free for all live gold users, because you cant use it because of your cable and internet service provider its Microsofts fault and they are misleading? no sorry.

You got a point.

MS did say it was free to ALL Live Gold Users. It's your fault if your ISP doesn't carry ESPN...not MS

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#44 fueled-system
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"yet again, Microsoft announced something and was free and clear what it meant, it was free for all live gold users, because you cant use it because of your cable and internet service provider its Microsofts fault and they are misleading? no sorry."

We can argue this all day the thing is maybe to YOU it was not misleading but to those that have A GOLD MEMBERSHIP and wanted to get it in which Microsoft said they would for free..... you could see why they felt mislead...Maybe they should of said at a press conference then exactly what they meant instead of expecting people to defend it to make it what they said

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So you have to pay for espn?...lmao
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#47 Ninja-Hippo
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This just makes no sense. When microsoft announced that UK 360 owners could get Sky through their Xbox 360 boxes, did anyone believe they could get it WITHOUT being a sky subscriber? Of course not. Failing to point out the blatantly obvious is not being misleading. They said the xbox now gets ESPN Live. Obviously if your ISP doesn't carry ESPN Live you cant benefit from that, just like you cant get Sky on your 360 if you're not a Sky subscriber. If people believed they could magically GET espn somehow despite not having it at all then that's their issue as far as i'm concerned. Did microsoft deliberately set out to make believe people they could get ESPN when they cant? Absolutely not, and indeed have no reason to.
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#50 CDUB316
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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]

lol typical MS trying to mislead the customer just like with Kinnect

KevinButlerVP

How is Kinect misleading?

they have demos that are pre-recorded

so all the hands on videos from giantbomb, IGN, GS etc. were all pre-recorded as well........???