Microsoft misleads regarding ESPN on Xbox live

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[QUOTE="Clank-PS-Snake"] When, since the launch of the PS3, has Sony given misleading info? Compare the number of times that Sony did to the number for Microsoft and you'll know why people tend to dislike MS more from the two.[QUOTE="DarthBilf"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

so...Microsoft announced something and was free and clear what it meant...but some how because you cant get it or something its misleading?

RogueShodown

He's too much of a fanboy to admit it.

depends, if he said its for ALL xbox live gold members, than it is Misleading, but if he just says its for live gold members, its not misleading, if it is, than every single commercial about a product is missleading

sad just sad, Microsoft doesnt do anything wrong, but gets all the hate. to clear things up why not everyone can get it.

1. other countrys have different laws, which is why lots of things the states get no one else gets.

2. easyiest reason why ESPN isnt for everyone, because the companys dont want it. ESPN clearly has a deal with those companys, so if any 360 users can use it, than those ISP might loss protental sales.

3. stop blaming microsoft. sometimes I think everyone here owns there own a company in the gaming world.

gamer-adam1

The fact is they made a mistake and mispoke they could easily of worded it differently to be where it was people with access to it could then get it on their xbox.

[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

sad just sad, Microsoft doesnt do anything wrong, but gets all the hate. to clear things up why not everyone can get it.

1. other countrys have different laws, which is why lots of things the states get no one else gets.

2. easyiest reason why ESPN isnt for everyone, because the companys dont want it. ESPN clearly has a deal with those companys, so if any 360 users can use it, than those ISP might loss protental sales.

3. stop blaming microsoft. sometimes I think everyone here owns there own a company in the gaming world.

fueled-system

The fact is they made a mistake and mispoke they could easily of worded it differently to be where it was people with access to it could then get it on their xbox.

depends, if they said its for ALL gold users than yse, but if he just said gold users hes not. it should be common knowlegde that when something that when a feature is announced doesnt mean its for anyone, everyone in the world except for the states knows that. we in canada still havent gotten last fm yet.

Microsoft should really stop hyping things only a vertain part of the userbase can take advantage of. No one outside the US can use it, and only some people in the US can, and they make it take up 20 minutes of there e3? How ridiculous ...

so...Microsoft announced something and was free and clear what it meant...but some how because you cant get it or something its misleading?

WilliamRLBaker

After the ESPN guys came out and talked about all this great content, the MS guy comes back and says "ESPN on XBox 360 brings the ultimate sports experience to your living room. And all of this is available to our Xbox 360 Gold members at no additional cost." The wording leads one to believe that if you have an Xbox 360, and are a Gold member, you will get ESPN for Live.

They didn't say "This content is only available to Xbox Gold members who already have access to it through their ISP on their PC or PS3."

[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

sad just sad, Microsoft doesnt do anything wrong, but gets all the hate. to clear things up why not everyone can get it.

1. other countrys have different laws, which is why lots of things the states get no one else gets.

2. easyiest reason why ESPN isnt for everyone, because the companys dont want it. ESPN clearly has a deal with those companys, so if any 360 users can use it, than those ISP might loss protental sales.

3. stop blaming microsoft. sometimes I think everyone here owns there own a company in the gaming world.

fueled-system

The fact is they made a mistake and mispoke they could easily of worded it differently to be where it was people with access to it could then get it on their xbox.

But he's right. MS said it was free to all Live gold members. They didnt say you needed the right ISP. All they said was tha it was free to all gold members, and if your ISP doesnt support it, well your outa luck

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="RogueShodown"] It was obvious that they did for the trailers, but how do you know they did for E3?gamer-adam1

That doesn't necessarily mean they don't work though.

ok if skittles cant really be tickled how do you even play the game? just pet its back over and over and over again?

[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]Some of them were real, Your Shape, for example seemed live. Some of them were question marks. Some seemed quite staged, e.g. the Forza Kinect tech demo was staged, there's a gif floating around of it where it has "negative lag". And Skittles can't really be tickled.

That doesn't necessarily mean they don't work though.

shinrabanshou

ok if skittles cant really be tickled how do you even play the game? just pet its back over and over and over again?

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ok if skittles cant really be tickled how do you even play the game? just pet its back over and over and over again?

gamer-adam1

It just takes the position of your hands. In the stage demo though her hand positions don't really match what's on-screen anyway.

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[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]They can play with Skittles however they may choose, they can still pretend to tickle Skittles, but Kinect can't distinguish fingers so it's pointless.

shinrabanshou

It just takes the position of your hands. In the stage demo though her hand positions don't really match what's on-screen anyway.

So it could be a software problem?

You could tell at e3 the on-screen hands were not doing what the litle girl was doing.

Kinectimals or whatever it's called looks alot like Viva Pinata ... I can't help but feel these games took next to no time to make.

[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]

lol typical MS trying to mislead the customer just like with Kinnect

HarlockJC

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[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]but if it cant distinguish fingers wouldnt pretending to tickle not do anything on screen?

-Snooze-

It just takes the position of your hands. In the stage demo though her hand positions don't really match what's on-screen anyway.

So it could be a software problem?

You could tell at e3 the on-screen hands were not doing what the litle girl was doing.

Kinectimals or whatever it's called looks alot like Viva Pinata ... I can't help but feel these games took next to no time to make.

It was touched upon in a recent Digital Foundry interview about Move: "Weirdly, they seem to have Microsoft Kinect adverts in the E3 toilets, saying that this is the controller that's taken five million years to develop. That five million years doesn't seem to encompass the evolution of the hands or the fingers. Kinect is cool but it can't scan fingers. That's where the lowest possible latency is, the most direct connection you have with the game."

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[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]"I did the scratch-the-animal thing that was such a big part of Microsoft's earlier E3 presentation, but the onscreen action didn't really match the movements of my hands. The fingers just moved automatically on the screen, regardless of what my actual fingers were doing. When I moved my hands around, they scratched different parts of the animal's fur, but I decided we should probably try something else."

It just takes the position of your hands. In the stage demo though her hand positions don't really match what's on-screen anyway.

shinrabanshou

So it could be a software problem?

You could tell at e3 the on-screen hands were not doing what the litle girl was doing.

Kinectimals or whatever it's called looks alot like Viva Pinata ... I can't help but feel these games took next to no time to make.

It was touched upon in a recent Digital Foundry interview about Move: "Weirdly, they seem to have Microsoft Kinect adverts in the E3 toilets, saying that this is the controller that's taken five million years to develop. That five million years doesn't seem to encompass the evolution of the hands or the fingers. Kinect is cool but it can't scan fingers. That's where the lowest possible latency is, the most direct connection you have with the game."

Well if true that's no good. We won't know for sure since it's still in its infancy. Either Way Natal sucks.

What is all this talk about the Skittles stage demo is fake and it doesn't track fingers or whatever and what she was doing didn't match what was happening on screen. It's a little girl playing the game, she was using her imagination to tickle Skittles. :lol:

depends, if he said its for ALL xbox live gold members, than it is Misleading, but if he just says its for live gold members, its not misleading, if it is, than every single commercial about a product is missleading

gamer-adam1

They said it would be available for all XBL Gold members. That is misleading. Of course they didn't outright lie about it.

But he's right. MS said it was free to all Live gold members. They didnt say you needed the right ISP. All they said was tha it was free to all gold members, and if your ISP doesnt support it, well your outa luck

Modern_Unit

Go look up the definition of misleading; it's more of telling half of the truth than just lying.

What is all this talk about the Skittles stage demo is fake and it doesn't track fingers or whatever and what she was doing didn't match what was happening on screen. It's a little girl playing the game, she was using her imagination to tickle Skittles. :lol:

gago-gago

lol typical MS trying to mislead the customer just like with Kinnect

KevinButlerVP

Why do you people defend Kinect so much? It's garbage, simple as that. Dont blame software or the person playing the game. If this many problems are showing up odds are their true. It's possible these problems can be fixed, but they dont have a lot of time.Kokuro_Kun

You realize that this doesn't really matter though right. Kinect has no real competition as it's different enough from the Wii to attract casuals who don't care about these flaws, whereas Move very similar to the Wii's controls and has direct competition from a very successful, already established control scheme. I'm not a fan of either, but seriously, it's not going to be the catastrophe that people are making it out to be.

lol typical MS trying to mislead the customer just like with Kinnect

KevinButlerVP

Not sure how ms mislead anyone. They said it was available to all gold members, and it is. Don't blame ms for your isp.

Not sure how ms mislead anyone. They said it was available to all gold members, and it is. Don't blame ms for your isp.

foogee345

It is misleading. They didn't exactly lie, but they said it in such a way that it LEADS people to believe that they are saying something they aren't. And that, friends, is called misleading.

After the ESPN guys came out and talked about all this great content, the MS guy comes back and says "ESPN on XBox 360 brings the ultimate sports experience to your living room. And all of this is available to our Xbox 360 Gold members at no additional cost." The wording leads one to believe that if you have an Xbox 360, and are a Gold member, you will get ESPN for Live.

They didn't say "This content is only available to Xbox Gold members who already have access to it through their ISP on their PC or PS3."

[QUOTE="foogee345"]

It is misleading. They didn't exactly lie, but they said it in such a way that it LEADS people to believe that they are saying something they aren't. And that, friends, is called misleading.

After the ESPN guys came out and talked about all this great content, the MS guy comes back and says "ESPN on XBox 360 brings the ultimate sports experience to your living room. And all of this is available to our Xbox 360 Gold members at no additional cost." The wording leads one to believe that if you have an Xbox 360, and are a Gold member, you will get ESPN for Live.

They didn't say "This content is only available to Xbox Gold members who already have access to it through their ISP on their PC or PS3."

ianuilliam

[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]

lol typical MS trying to mislead the customer just like with Kinnect

thepoop7

since when have sony ever lied to people?

maybe they said the PS3 could do 120fps in 1080p/4d, but imo they overestimated the power of the PS3 is all

and the sixaxis couldnt have rumble?

thats about it

Microsoft should really stop hyping things only a vertain part of the userbase can take advantage of. No one outside the US can use it, and only some people in the US can, and they make it take up 20 minutes of there e3? How ridiculous ...

-Snooze-

since when have sony ever lied to people?

maybe they said the PS3 could do 120fps in 1080p/4d, but imo they overestimated the power of the PS3 is all

and the sixaxis couldnt have rumble?

thats about it

Ultizer