Microsoft official thread of awseome job for ruining Sony...and gaining nothing.

Are you sure about that?

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/50957

masiisam

[QUOTE="Erik_Lensherr"]

Whops on the colors, either way they are making profit this gen which means making more money than they are losing so you are wrong./

FirstDiscovery

Yes but unfortunantly for for Rocky the guy I quoted, said this generation.;)

*edit* just so he doesn't remove it he posted

...and they are still doomed to third place by the end of this gen despite launching a year early. And they've lost billions of dollars. Yep, MS has gained so much this gen.

and overall in games division they are in the red but the 360 is in the black..so he's wrong.

[QUOTE="credibilityzero"]

Yea sure, whatever floats your boat.

If they didn't show their gamertags in the background then you are right.

Let me provide you with another comment.

"With Xbox 360 we have an answer, She's going to rejoin us" talking about Velocity girl WHICH HAS A GAMERTAG IN THE SCREEN BEHIND Allard.

Tell me again how many people playing online on 360?

Stevo_the_gamer

Oh my, this is starting to get rather... sad to be honest. I'll put it in simplist terms for you laddy, mm'kay?

Before the "one billion mark" statement, Allard said the following:

"Thirty years ago we saw the birth of this industry with the arrival of the first 2D games, games that appealed to everyone. They found a very broad audience that numbered in the tens of millions. Andwe all remember those great ads from that era where entire families gathered surrounded the TV on the couch playing games together. Well, then we made the leap, the leap from 2D to 3D and we expanded and jumped our industry past the hundred million mark. But at that very same time wenarrowed our scope to a much more limited demographic."

Now, when he says "We" -- he's referring to the gaming industry as a whole, it's clear as day.

"Today, we're poised to make the leap again, this time from 3D to the HD era. Now, of course the HD era is about high-definition graphics and unbelievable sound but the implications of the HD era are even more profound than that. It's about the ability to connect with your communities and to personalize your experience, it's about unleashing the creative power of human energy. If we work together to create games and experiences that really deliver on the promise of the HD era, as an industry we'll take games places they've never been before. In the HD era, weare going to reach 1 billion people with our medium. (Cheers, applause.)"

Then why he didn't talk about all when he was being arrogant and telling people.

"With Xbox 360we have an answer. She's going to rejoin us because we're delivering a fresh set of services designed to nurture community and to broaden game play. To expand the market, we're going to deliver more casual game experiences on-demand through the Xbox Live Arcade. Whether retro, puzzle or just plain-old time killing games like solitaire, we're going to have an amazing assortment of games available. "

[QUOTE="masiisam"]

Are you sure about that?

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/50957

Stevo_the_gamer

All the findings have shown different....Do you have a link that shows they are still in the red?

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="masiisam"]

Are you sure about that?

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/50957

masiisam

All the findings have shown different....Do you have a link that shows they are still in the red?

Then why he didn't talk about all when he was being arrogant and telling people.

"With Xbox 360we have an answer. She's going to rejoin us because we're delivering a fresh set of services designed to nurture community and to broaden game play. To expand the market, we're going to deliver more casual game experiences on-demand through the Xbox Live Arcade. Whether retro, puzzle or just plain-old time killing games like solitaire, we're going to have an amazing assortment of games available. "

credibilityzero

[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"][QUOTE="Erik_Lensherr"]

Whops on the colors, either way they are making profit this gen which means making more money than they are losing so you are wrong./

Erik_Lensherr

Yes but unfortunantly for for Rocky the guy I quoted, said this generation.;)

*edit* just so he doesn't remove it he posted

...and they are still doomed to third place by the end of this gen despite launching a year early. And they've lost billions of dollars. Yep, MS has gained so much this gen.

and overall in games division they are in the red but the 360 is in the black..so he's wrong.

Gaining markshare and building a name brand is considered nothing?

Ohh right.... I forgot..... we are in SW.....Where logic and common sense goes out the window

masiisam

They didn't gain anything, Nintendo is taking Sony's marketshare now, and if you are telling me selling 1.5-2.5M annualy more compared to the Xbox original is gaining then you are wrong because this is the normal thing to happen after being in the industry, more people will recognize the brand which is natural, they didn't make a big jump in sales from last gen to this gen to say they gained something.

[QUOTE="masiisam"]

Gaining markshare and building a name brand is considered nothing?

Ohh right.... I forgot..... we are in SW.....Where logic and common sense goes out the window

credibilityzero

They didn't gain anything, Nintendo is taking Sony's marketshare now, and if you are telling me selling 1.5-2.5M annualy more compared to the Xbox original is gaining then you are wrong because this is the normal thing to happen after being in the industry, more people will recognize the brand which is natural, they didn't make a big jump in sales from last gen to this gen to say they gained something.

[QUOTE="masiisam"]

Gaining markshare and building a name brand is considered nothing?

Ohh right.... I forgot..... we are in SW.....Where logic and common sense goes out the window

credibilityzero

They didn't gain anything, Nintendo is taking Sony's marketshare now, and if you are telling me selling 1.5-2.5M annualy more compared to the Xbox original is gaining then you are wrong because this is the normal thing to happen after being in the industry, more people will recognize the brand which is natural, they didn't make a big jump in sales from last gen to this gen to say they gained something.

So you're spinning the expansion of the Xbox brand to be a bad thing?

By knocking Sony down, they eliminated a threat. Nintendo doesn't have the same plans for the living room that Sony does; they just want to make a game machine and sell it at a profit. MS really needed to stop Sony from establishing themselves any further; otherwise, they'd find the media PC market taken from under them before it even started growing.lowe0

If you want to blame anyone for Sonys failures, blame the egos that ran the company, not Microsoft.Bigboi500

*****

For a guy who knows what he's talking about.

SONY F'd up the PS3 Royally.

[QUOTE="credibilityzero"]

Then why he didn't talk about all when he was being arrogant and telling people.

"With Xbox 360wehave an answer. She's going to rejoin us because we're delivering a fresh set of services designed to nurture community and to broaden game play. To expand the market, we're going to deliver more casual game experiences on-demand through the Xbox Live Arcade. Whether retro, puzzle or just plain-old time killing games like solitaire, we're going to have an amazing assortment of games available. "

Stevo_the_gamer

Ok you are now back-paddling buddy, they should never made such claims even if it is PR hype machine.

Nothing was taking out of context, when I say we are going to reach 1000000000 people because my product have this and that, then it is about selling, reaching = selling, simple comprehension and simple economics.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="credibilityzero"]

Then why he didn't talk about all when he was being arrogant and telling people.

"With Xbox 360wehave an answer. She's going to rejoin us because we're delivering a fresh set of services designed to nurture community and to broaden game play. To expand the market, we're going to deliver more casual game experiences on-demand through the Xbox Live Arcade. Whether retro, puzzle or just plain-old time killing games like solitaire, we're going to have an amazing assortment of games available. "

credibilityzero

Ok you are now back-paddling buddy, they should never made such claims even if it is PR hype machine.

Nothing was taking out of context, when I say we are going to reach 1000000000 people because my product have this and that, then it is about selling, reaching = selling, simple comprehension and simple economics.

And how many records the Beatles sold?

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="credibilityzero"]

Then why he didn't talk about all when he was being arrogant and telling people.

"With Xbox 360wehave an answer. She's going to rejoin us because we're delivering a fresh set of services designed to nurture community and to broaden game play. To expand the market, we're going to deliver more casual game experiences on-demand through the Xbox Live Arcade. Whether retro, puzzle or just plain-old time killing games like solitaire, we're going to have an amazing assortment of games available. "

credibilityzero

Ok you are now back-paddling buddy, they should never made such claims even if it is PR hype machine.

Nothing was taking out of context, when I say we are going to reach 1000000000 people because my product have this and that, then it is about selling, reaching = selling, simple comprehension and simple economics.

well its more marketing then economics in general although its a type.

[QUOTE="credibilityzero"][QUOTE="masiisam"]

Gaining markshare and building a name brand is considered nothing?

Ohh right.... I forgot..... we are in SW.....Where logic and common sense goes out the window

Kickinurass

They didn't gain anything, Nintendo is taking Sony's marketshare now, and if you are telling me selling 1.5-2.5M annualy more compared to the Xbox original is gaining then you are wrong because this is the normal thing to happen after being in the industry, more people will recognize the brand which is natural, they didn't make a big jump in sales from last gen to this gen to say they gained something.

So you're spinning the expansion of the Xbox brand to be a bad thing?

Yea sure Microsoft heads are partying everyday of this expansion :roll:

Seriously? do you really think that's a milestone for MS or something?

1 billion is the only thing you seem to hang on, people have other goals in lives and MS have achieved many. Either way, it was a slip-up from J Allard in claimish such a ridiculous numberFirstDiscovery

Ok you are now back-paddling buddy, they should never made such claims even if it is PR hype machine.

Nothing was taking out of context, when I say we are going to reach 1000000000 people because my product have this and that, then it is about selling, reaching = selling, simple comprehension and simple economics.

credibilityzero

*Sigh*

And Obama should never make "change" claims when his policies condradict his motto. It's marketing -- it's all PR; it's a keynote address, a "press" conference -- again, marketing, hype and PR. I'm done discussing this with you, obviously your biased views have clouded your reason, don't even bother replying to this for I am discussing this with you no further.

[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"]1 billion is the only thing you seem to hang on, people have other goals in lives and MS have achieved many. Either way, it was a slip-up from J Allard in claimish such a ridiculous numberStevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="masiisam"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="masiisam"]

Are you sure about that?

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/50957

Sooshy

All the findings have shown different....Do you have a link that shows they are still in the red?

It's "common sense"? If it's so "common"... then I am sure there are plenty of "common" links that you can easily dig up.

Tell me this then...how can the gaming segment post a return of 500+ mill If they are still in the red? It would not post a profit if the operating cost is higher...

It makes more money, but that's because games sell at a higher price. Film has reached waaaaay more people than games.Sooshy

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"]1 billion is the only thing you seem to hang on, people have other goals in lives and MS have achieved many. Either way, it was a slip-up from J Allard in claimish such a ridiculous numberSooshy

Yep, thats why Beatles are more famous than Cliffy B.

[QUOTE="Rocky32189"]

We're talking about what Microsoft gained, "laddy". I'm sure in Microsoft's board meetings they talk about how many AAA titles they have compared to the competition, instead of profits and sales, right?

Stevo_the_gamer

don't call people laddy, its condescending.

don't call people laddy, its condescending.

clone01

[QUOTE="clone01"]

don't call people laddy, its condescending.

Stevo_the_gamer

can be taken many ways. lad often indicates a younger, more inexperienced person. a kid, if you will. thus, condescending.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="clone01"]

don't call people laddy, its condescending.

clone01

can be taken many ways. lad often indicates a younger, more inexperienced person. a kid, if you will. thus, condescending.

Gained nothing?

• MS has gained market share while Sony has lost market share.
• Microsoft has gained the most critically acclaimed library of games of the current gen consoles while Sony has lost that.

I don't view expanding the market as a good thing. Look at the Wii lineup, you want all three systems lineups to look like that one day? Games were better when gaming was for nerds. The more games try to appeal to everyone, the less they fully satisfy anyone. Especially core gamers.VegetaJr

We were non-gamers once, became casuals then hardcore. ;)

[QUOTE="VegetaJr"]I don't view expanding the market as a good thing. Look at the Wii lineup, you want all three systems lineups to look like that one day? Games were better when gaming was for nerds. The more games try to appeal to everyone, the less they fully satisfy anyone. Especially core gamers.credibilityzero

We were non-gamers once, became casuals then hardcore. ;)

The market isnt expanding, its only going backwards

Gained nothing?

• MS has gained market share while Sony has lost market share.
• Microsoft has gained the most critically acclaimed library of games of the current gen consoles while Sony has lost that.

Blackbond

1- As I said before, they gained nothing, it is only an expansion, there isn't so far a jump in sales that is significant to say it is way better than last gen.

2- Most the big hitters are Multi-platform games stolen from Sony.

EDIT: Long time no see.

Thats the whole reason they got into this crap was to shoot down Sony for whatever reason.Cedmln

I hope Sony gets even next-gen.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Gained nothing?

• MS has gained market share while Sony has lost market share.
• Microsoft has gained the most critically acclaimed library of games of the current gen consoles while Sony has lost that.

credibilityzero

1- As I said before, they gained nothing, it is only an expansion, there isn't so far a jump in sales that is significant to say it is way better than last gen.

2- Most the big hitters are Multi-platform games stolen from Sony.

EDIT: Long time no see.

[QUOTE="credibilityzero"]

[QUOTE="VegetaJr"]I don't view expanding the market as a good thing. Look at the Wii lineup, you want all three systems lineups to look like that one day? Games were better when gaming was for nerds. The more games try to appeal to everyone, the less they fully satisfy anyone. Especially core gamers.FirstDiscovery

We were non-gamers once, became casuals then hardcore. ;)

The market isnt expanding, its only going backwards

Exactly and I agree on the second part also.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Gained nothing?

• MS has gained market share while Sony has lost market share.
• Microsoft has gained the most critically acclaimed library of games of the current gen consoles while Sony has lost that.

credibilityzero

1- As I said before, they gained nothing, it is only an expansion, there isn't so far a jump in sales that is significant to say it is way better than last gen.

2- Most the big hitters are Multi-platform games stolen from Sony.

EDIT: Long time no see.

1. You don't see the contradiction??...You say they gained nothing..but then go on to say they only had a "small jump in sales"

2. GTA, DMC and FF are huge exclusives lost by Sony

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Gained nothing?

• MS has gained market share while Sony has lost market share.
• Microsoft has gained the most critically acclaimed library of games of the current gen consoles while Sony has lost that.

credibilityzero

1- As I said before, they gained nothing, it is only an expansion, there isn't so far a jump in sales that is significant to say it is way better than last gen.

2- Most the big hitters are Multi-platform games stolen from Sony.

EDIT: Long time no see.

Any gain no matter how small it is is a gain.

Stolen from Sony? Well then you must be implying that MS gained them while Sony lost them?

Sony has lost marketshare while MS has gained. And thats the bottom line.

[QUOTE="Cedmln"]Thats the whole reason they got into this crap was to shoot down Sony for whatever reason.credibilityzero

I hope Sony gets even next-gen.

If they need to get even then that implies that they lost ground while they have to catch up to the ground MS GAINED.

[QUOTE="credibilityzero"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Gained nothing?

• MS has gained market share while Sony has lost market share.
• Microsoft has gained the most critically acclaimed library of games of the current gen consoles while Sony has lost that.

Blackbond

1- As I said before, they gained nothing, it is only an expansion, there isn't so far a jump in sales that is significant to say it is way better than last gen.

2- Most the big hitters are Multi-platform games stolen from Sony.

EDIT: Long time no see.

Any gain no matter how small it is is a gain.

Stolen from Sony? Well then you must be implying that MS gained them while Sony lost them?

Sony has lost marketshare while MS has gained. And thats the bottom line.

So if someone losses 1lb, I should say congrats for him, does this 1lb even matter? because apparently it doesn't show up.

Stealing =/= gaining, if MS consider stealing as gaining then good for them.

[QUOTE="credibilityzero"]

[QUOTE="Cedmln"]Thats the whole reason they got into this crap was to shoot down Sony for whatever reason.Blackbond

I hope Sony gets even next-gen.

If they need to get even then that implies that they lost ground while they have to catch up to the ground MS GAINED.

Yea Sony lost something ( sales/marketshare ) but MS didn't gain anything ( sales/marketshare ) from their dirty strategies.

So if someone losses 1lb, I should say congrats for him, does this 1lb even matter? because apparently it doesn't show up.

Stealing =/= gaining, if MS consider stealing as gaining then good for them.

credibilityzero

A loss is loss. That is a fact you cannot change. What opinion you have on the facts is irrelevant. Its factually proven that a loss occurred.

Stealing which is a silly term in the business world. Well let me define what you are trying to say.

Microsoft GAINS a game while Sony LOSES a game. This is in actuality a swing because a loss to you with a gain from a competitor is considered 2x gain.

Example. Sony = 1 and MS = 0

Sony loses game would be Sony -1. MS gaining game would be +1.

1 - 1 = 0

0 + 1 = 1

Thus the swing.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"]GOD I cant believe cows are still going on about that one billion thing. If you watch the interview he actually said the industry would reach one billion people this generation, not sell one billion consoles. In fact I don't think he even said the word "sales" the entire time. Certainly not with any remote connection to the billion people comment. Basically he was talking about the entire gaming industry and not specifically about sales. This was established years ago but cows ignored all reason and preferred to pretend he ment sales so they could use it as a lame counter to all of Sony's lies at e3 2005. Even if it were true it would be a bad prediction not a lie. Internally MS wanted to sell 50 million but never made any public predictions.credibilityzero

Thank you for sharing this link because I was having a hard time to quote what proves what they were aiming for which is 1B consoles sold.

Here are some of his quotes:

"A billion people this generation; well, that's a big number but I know we can do it."

Then he says.

"we thought very differently about our approach when in designing the product"

"Out of the gate we knew we had to create an amazing product that would blow the roof off gaming for our core audience"

Then he went and explained what their product will cater to by giving examples like Striker, Velocity girl and beat builder while they were showing in the screen behind him the gamertags of each demographic he were talking about, that mean they wanted 1B people in their XBL so don't give me the famous "hey they didn't say sold"

Yea Sony lost something ( sales/marketshare ) but MS didn't gain anything ( sales/marketshare ) from their dirty strategies.

credibilityzero

The User base for the 360 is larger then that of the PS3. Meaning that MS has gained market share. Why are you trying to oppose the facts? It is a fact that MS has gained market share not only in the console market but compared to their previous entry in the original xbox.

Wow let's bring up the past , spin it and try to claim ownge...

My turn

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25247543

Wow let's bring up the past , spin it and try to claim ownge...

My turn

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25247543

AlphaGamer469

Damn my man brought out the big guns :shock:

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="credibilityzero"]

[QUOTE="Cedmln"]Thats the whole reason they got into this crap was to shoot down Sony for whatever reason.credibilityzero

I hope Sony gets even next-gen.

If they need to get even then that implies that they lost ground while they have to catch up to the ground MS GAINED.

Yea Sony lost something ( sales/marketshare ) but MS didn't gain anything ( sales/marketshare ) from their dirty strategies.

1. MS is closing in on the 4 year total of the original xbox(over 3 of which the machine was priced at 200 bucks or less May of 02 - November of 05). It has done this in 3 years with less than one month so far of sub 200 dollar price points. Let's see where things stand in a year or two.

2. What exactly are MS's "dirty" strategies. When they revealed the xbox 360 in may of 05, they showed real games due out that year, and made real claims about its power. Sony overstated everything about the PS3(Dual 1080p displays, all games 1080p, 3x as powerful as the 360, "network storage", "cell clusters" helping game rendering, PS3 being a network hub), they showed games not due for YEARS or not at all and used FAKE footage to display the "power" of the PS3, made false claims about its release date(hey we're coming out in spring of 06, why buy a 360 when you can buy a machine 3x as powerful less than 6 months later, then when spring comes "hey, it's only 6 months before you get the uberconsole just wait, then when it comes out and is merely a 360 with a BR drive, "hey, we'll be better just wait until devs learn to use the PS3.) There is NO way you can call MS's strategies "shady" unless you're willing to call sony's downright disgusting.

So it goes, Nintendo (NES), Nintendo (SNES), Sony (PSOne), Sony(PS2)...and so far Nintendo(Wii, year 2) again.(M$ was supposed to be in that picture somewhere.)