Microsoft or SONY: Which one is more important to the console gaming industry?

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] PSN since the beginning has provided P2P play (the same as Live) for free. In fact at the beginning it was PSN which provided most games with dedicated servers.ShadowMoses900

The only real feature that Live has over PSN is party chat, which isa gimmick. The Live interface sucks and is more sutied to a younger audince with giant cartoon charecters and ads. It is a little more integrated with faster updates (but that's free for silver members) and universel invite system. But it's not like all updates are super slow and it's not that hard just to ask someone to invite you in a game.

So if that is worth wasting your money on then good for you, I however like to save money and am well aware of what a rip off is. Glad I was rasied to be a more criticle thinker...

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="delta3074"]SONY just copied what nintendo had already done, MS took what nintendo had done and improved the technology, SONY copied what MS had done with online, MS took waht they had already done and evolved it, MS set up the achievements system, SONY copied it with Trophies, if everything MS does is so bad then whydo SONY impment the same features afterwards, They must have thought they where good ideas to try to emulate them.delta3074

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="delta3074"]SONY made a bad decision then because kinect is selling like hotcakes,and quit with that 'real' gamers crap, anyone who plays games as there primary hobby is a gamer, no such thing as a 'real' gamer.sts106mat

microsoft = disposable gaminghippiesanta

What does your sig even mean. It makes zero sense.

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[QUOTE="delta3074"]its not the same as live though,it doesn't have as many features, isn't as streamlined and isn't completely intergrated into the overall experience,it's tacked on quite frankly, its the best value for money no doubt but it ain't as good as Live.delta3074

The only real feature that Live has over PSN is party chat, which isa gimmick. The Live interface sucks and is more sutied to a younger audince with giant cartoon charecters and ads. It is a little more integrated with faster updates (but that's free for silver members) and universel invite system. But it's not like all updates are super slow and it's not that hard just to ask someone to invite you in a game.

So if that is worth wasting your money on then good for you, I however like to save money and am well aware of what a rip off is. Glad I was rasied to be a more criticle thinker...

lol less than a pound a week, why do lems like to downplay costs so much? Now your sounding like Hermits, let's do the math again (since you love it so much) but the opposite way, XBL costs $60 a year here in the states, now multiply that over the course of 3 years: $180, now the course of 4 years: $240 I can go on forever but the point is that you just spent $180 (or $240) just to play over P2P severs on your own internet connection and look at ads, do you know what else you could have spent that money on? Hell if you saved up you could have mabey bought that PS3 you always wanted (you know you want one, don't deny it) that makes the 360 the most expensive console on the market.

But hey, cross game chat TOTALLY makes it worth it right? Ya you know that thing you can do for FREE on PC? Well your paying 60 bucks for that. Yep you sure do get what you pay for huh? ;)

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="delta3074"]SONY made a bad decision then because kinect is selling like hotcakes,and quit with that 'real' gamers crap, anyone who plays games as there primary hobby is a gamer, no such thing as a 'real' gamer.delta3074

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]like i said before ,paying for it is not ideal but less than a a pound a week is hardly a rip off, a bar of chocolate over here cost nearly a quid lol.sts106mat

lol less than a pound a week, why do lems like to downplay costs so much? Now your sounding like Hermits, let's do the math again (since you love it so much) but the opposite way, XBL costs $60 a year here in the states, now multiply that over the course of 3 years: $180, now the course of 4 years: $240 I can go on forever but the point is that you just spent $180 (or $240) just to play over P2P severs on your own internet connection and look at ads, do you know what else you could have spent that money on? Hell if you saved up you could have mabey bought that PS3 you always wanted (you know you want one, don't deny it) that makes the 360 the most expensive console on the market.

But hey, cross game chat TOTALLY makes it worth it right? Ya you know that thing you can do for FREE on PC? Well your paying 60 bucks for that. Yep you sure do get what you pay for huh? ;)

You get the mansion when you get your first platinum trophy, something you can't ever get. Besides, being rich means being educated about money, and xbl is NOT worth the money, lol $60 for party chat, ya right!

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="delta3074"]i admire your loyalty to a comapny, like i said before, overall SONY are more important to gaming overall, MS have been more important this generation, wether you like it or not, Sony have copied several of Microsofts innovations this generation and the last, it was MS who first installed a HDD drive into consoles, it was MS who made online gaming on consoles viable and it was MS who introduced an achievements sytem on consoles, granted MS did copy dual shock analogs but apart from that i don't see anything else MS copied from SONY, i will end it there because it's clear that your judgement is blinded by loyalty.sts106mat

Sony because they actually invest in games.kuraimen

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[QUOTE="sts106mat"] what the F*** why are you bothered about downplaying costs? one of your threads claimed you live in a mansion with playboy bunnies visiting every night, i thought every PS3 owner did, money is no object blah blah. oh wait, you just woke up with your head in your cereal.sts106mat

You get the mansion when you get your first platinum trophy, something you can't ever get. Besides, being rich means being educated about money, and xbl is NOT worth the money, lol $60 for party chat, ya right!

[QUOTE="sts106mat"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

lol less than a pound a week, why do lems like to downplay costs so much? Now your sounding like Hermits, let's do the math again (since you love it so much) but the opposite way, XBL costs $60 a year here in the states, now multiply that over the course of 3 years: $180, now the course of 4 years: $240 I can go on forever but the point is that you just spent $180 (or $240) just to play over P2P severs on your own internet connection and look at ads, do you know what else you could have spent that money on? Hell if you saved up you could have mabey bought that PS3 you always wanted (you know you want one, don't deny it) that makes the 360 the most expensive console on the market.

But hey, cross game chat TOTALLY makes it worth it right? Ya you know that thing you can do for FREE on PC? Well your paying 60 bucks for that. Yep you sure do get what you pay for huh? ;)

ShadowMoses900

You get the mansion when you get your first platinum trophy, something you can't ever get. Besides, being rich means being educated about money, and xbl is NOT worth the money, lol $60 for party chat, ya right!

C'mon man. There are perfectly valid reasons why Sony should be more respected, over MS. Plus, in the real world, being rich means stabbing backs and lying, most of the time.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

The only real feature that Live has over PSN is party chat, which isa gimmick. The Live interface sucks and is more sutied to a younger audince with giant cartoon charecters and ads. It is a little more integrated with faster updates (but that's free for silver members) and universel invite system. But it's not like all updates are super slow and it's not that hard just to ask someone to invite you in a game.

So if that is worth wasting your money on then good for you, I however like to save money and am well aware of what a rip off is. Glad I was rasied to be a more criticle thinker...

ShadowMoses900

lol less than a pound a week, why do lems like to downplay costs so much? Now your sounding like Hermits, let's do the math again (since you love it so much) but the opposite way, XBL costs $60 a year here in the states, now multiply that over the course of 3 years: $180, now the course of 4 years: $240 I can go on forever but the point is that you just spent $180 (or $240) just to play over P2P severs on your own internet connection and look at ads, do you know what else you could have spent that money on? Hell if you saved up you could have mabey bought that PS3 you always wanted (you know you want one, don't deny it) that makes the 360 the most expensive console on the market.

But hey, cross game chat TOTALLY makes it worth it right? Ya you know that thing you can do for FREE on PC? Well your paying 60 bucks for that. Yep you sure do get what you pay for huh? ;)

Microsoft. They have actually pushed gaming forward this gen, and you could even say it started with the introduction of XBL last gen.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]like i said before ,paying for it is not ideal but less than a a pound a week is hardly a rip off, a bar of chocolate over here cost nearly a quid lol.delta3074

lol less than a pound a week, why do lems like to downplay costs so much? Now your sounding like Hermits, let's do the math again (since you love it so much) but the opposite way, XBL costs $60 a year here in the states, now multiply that over the course of 3 years: $180, now the course of 4 years: $240 I can go on forever but the point is that you just spent $180 (or $240) just to play over P2P severs on your own internet connection and look at ads, do you know what else you could have spent that money on? Hell if you saved up you could have mabey bought that PS3 you always wanted (you know you want one, don't deny it) that makes the 360 the most expensive console on the market.

But hey, cross game chat TOTALLY makes it worth it right? Ya you know that thing you can do for FREE on PC? Well your paying 60 bucks for that. Yep you sure do get what you pay for huh? ;)

lol he's still getting to you then? he seems to be everywhere and you always put him in place :lol:

I wouldn't even waste my time anymore man. He's a joke

Nintendo. I'm not trying to be a troll but Nintendo really is the more important to the console gaming industry.

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] I agree no one in their right mind would have imagined someone could charge for P2P online and get away with it. Everything else would be pretty much the same.ShadowMoses900

lol yes enjoy talking to little kids online, that's what the "Social experince" is all about right? Yep $60 is a great deal for P2P servers and ads! Since you lems love to downplay the price so much by saying "it's only $5 a month" (that strategy is bad btw, people who think like that often go into debt) so why don't we do the opposite then? Let's do it the other way! $60 over the course of 3 years adds up to $180, that already makes the 360 the most expensive console on the market, and the best part is that it keeps growing!

So ya that's TOTALLY worth it for cross game chat and to be able to talk trash to little kids (360 target audience)just to play on P2P servers with ads! Where as PSN has more games with dedicated servers and a mature community with no ads and all for FREE! Yep you sure do get what you pay for with Xbox Live huh? BTW I play online alot with PSN all the time and I still don't see the difference with Xbox Live, can you please explain how Live makes the online gameplay better? Oh never mind it doesn't.

PS1 PS2 PS3!

Equally.

You can't pick one over the other, they need one another and they need Nintendo too.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="delta3074"]SONY just copied what nintendo had already done, MS took what nintendo had done and improved the technology, SONY copied what MS had done with online, MS took waht they had already done and evolved it, MS set up the achievements system, SONY copied it with Trophies, if everything MS does is so bad then whydo SONY impment the same features afterwards, They must have thought they where good ideas to try to emulate them.kuraimen

microsoft did more innovation this gen....sony just copies everyone...

idk...hard to say..

Sony copied what nintendo did and improved it. Chutebox

nope...wiimote>move because it has more software...move was sort of abandoned by sony... fail on sonys part

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[QUOTE="mems_1224"] nah, we'd be stuck with psn which is god awful. XBL is a much more social experience than psn. for someone like me who mostly plays online games PSN just wont do. motion controls and online gaming are the future, xbox has both and does online better than any other console. say what you want about the price but theres no denying that XBL is better than psn other than price what does psn offer that XBL doesn't?mems_1224

lol yes enjoy talking to little kids online, that's what the "Social experince" is all about right? Yep $60 is a great deal for P2P servers and ads! Since you lems love to downplay the price so much by saying "it's only $5 a month" (that strategy is bad btw, people who think like that often go into debt) so why don't we do the opposite then? Let's do it the other way! $60 over the course of 3 years adds up to $180, that already makes the 360 the most expensive console on the market, and the best part is that it keeps growing!

So ya that's TOTALLY worth it for cross game chat and to be able to talk trash to little kids (360 target audience)just to play on P2P servers with ads! Where as PSN has more games with dedicated servers and a mature community with no ads and all for FREE! Yep you sure do get what you pay for with Xbox Live huh? BTW I play online alot with PSN all the time and I still don't see the difference with Xbox Live, can you please explain how Live makes the online gameplay better? Oh never mind it doesn't.

microsoft did more innovation this gen....sony just copies everyone...

idk...hard to say..

KBFloYd

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

microsoft did more innovation this gen....sony just copies everyone...

idk...hard to say..

Jag85

Online on consoles was basically developed by microsoft...they also invented achievements...kinect is decent tech also..

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

microsoft did more innovation this gen....sony just copies everyone...

idk...hard to say..

Jag85

[QUOTE="Jag85"][QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

microsoft did more innovation this gen....sony just copies everyone...

idk...hard to say..

p4s2p0

huh? being able to buy games online? yea thats never been done.

[QUOTE="Jag85"][QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

microsoft did more innovation this gen....sony just copies everyone...

idk...hard to say..

KBFloYd

Online on consoles was basically developed by microsoft...they also invented achievements...kinect is decent tech also..

But Microsoft do deserve credit for making achievements a big part of online gaming, so I'll give you that one.

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[QUOTE="Jag85"] Like what? Microsoft haven't done anything new this gen that hadn't already been done before.Jag85

Online on consoles was basically developed by microsoft...they also invented achievements...kinect is decent tech also..

But Microsoft do deserve credit for making achievements a big part of online gaming, so I'll give you that one.

i think you need to give me the online one also..

DC invented online? lol in 1999? i was still using dial up internet on AOL in that time... their online must have been a joke...

microsoft made online what it is today..well and PC but im speaking of consoles..

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[QUOTE="Jag85"] Like what? Microsoft haven't done anything new this gen that hadn't already been done before.Jag85

Online on consoles was basically developed by microsoft...they also invented achievements...kinect is decent tech also..

But Microsoft do deserve credit for making achievements a big part of online gaming, so I'll give you that one.

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

Online on consoles was basically developed by microsoft...they also invented achievements...kinect is decent tech also..

DarkLink77

But Microsoft do deserve credit for making achievements a big part of online gaming, so I'll give you that one.

The best Kinect stuff was done for non video game applications. All the cool gadgets that were made out of it. Like a robot that avoids walls or a voice activated helicopter. great tech, but very poorly implemented

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Sony copied what nintendo did and improved it. KBFloYd

nope...wiimote>move because it has more software...move was sort of abandoned by sony... fail on sonys part

The Xbox brand did so much more than the PS brand did this gen in terms of changing the console industry.

All you have to do is look at the fact that the PS3 tried to compete power-wise with the Xbox, the entirety of PSN is trying to clone the Xbox Live experience, and even the games that Sony sells on the PS3 are trying to mimmick the 360's powerhouse library.

[QUOTE="Eponique"]I'd say Sony by far. This is coming from an Xbox 360 owner that doesn't have a PS3. If MS dropped out I wouldn't really care. It would be sad to see Sony go though, as horrible as their fanboys are :(AtariKidX

I am horrible....??:P