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#1 deactivated-5d78760d7d740
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Just look at the 360, it's bursting with sales. Many people still prefer the 360 and Kinect despite its lack of exclusives while Sony is slaving away trying to get as much exclusive content on their system as possible. How can this be?

Simple:

1) People are lazy.

I know a lot of people who simply do not want to buy a new console. They are aware of the amount of content on the PS3, but they don't care. This may seem like a rare case, but it's a lot more common than you think.

2) Families

Sony hasn't exactly attracted the "casual" audience with their Move. We can safely assume that the Playstation Move hasn't done its job. Sure there are family-friendly games such as LittleBigPlanet and ModNation Racers on the PS3, but is that really enough to reel in the customers? Kinect is much more appealing to the average consumer than a "Playstation wiimote" no matter how many quality games it may have, and sales have proven that.

Sony's focus on the hardcore audience isn't necessarily a bad thing either, it allowed them to drastically shorten the sales gap between the 360 and PS3. It worked out for a good while, but 360 is still selling more than the PS3 is monthly. They need to hold onto that "focus" as it is the main thing that differentiates them from the competition.

3) Reputation

Despite Sony's slow start this gen, they really stepped their game up and are now doing great. That's nice and all, but that doesn't mean that they're free of their less-than-impressive beginning. First impressions are often the most important, there are still a good number of console owners out there who stick to their 360 religiously. This links to the "People are lazy" point I made. As long as the 360 has a steady influx of multiplatform content, people just don't care enough to switch consoles. Microsoft doesn't need to cash out on exclusives or free services, they already have a well established audience which is far more valuable than any game on any console (assuming that you looked at the situation from the company's point of view).

4) Next Gen?

From this we can assume that exclusives are critical in the beginning. You have to create that fantastic first impression before the competition does in order to get the sales. As the generation advances, exclusives become less and less relevant in terms of console purchases. Sony will not admit it publicly, but the PS3 was a downright failure in financial terms, it costed Sony a lot more money than it made. Sony's first party studios are definitely going to make it easier for them next gen, but the games are only half the work. Another $599.99 just won't cut it, and they know that.

I made a point about reputation being important, but that only works to an extent. Sony had an amazing reputation with the PS2, but it all came crashing down with the PS3. Consumer loyalty is a tricky thing,it comes and goes as fast as a breeze. Even though I'm not a fan of Microsoft for their treatment of their hardcore fanbase, they certainly made a smart move this gen by building up a reputation at the beginning and then riding the wave all throughout.

So the exclusives that people hold in such high regard only go as far as the console allows them to go. If the console isn't successful, then the exclusives won't do much to bring it back.As much as people hate them, gimmicks are a lot better in the long run than exclusives. It's a lesson Sony will eventually learn.

So what say you, System Warriors? What do you think of Microsoft's actions this gen, and the importance of exclusivity? What's more important to you, console architecture, multiplats, or exclusives?

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Yes, it's mostly the casual sales. That and the Xbox 360 still has more AAAs/AAs/As overall than the PS3. Not many people are willing to get a PS3/PC combo over just an Xbox 360 unlike what cows like to think.
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Its 7 years into this gen, and people will just stick to what they have while they wait for the next gen. Or in the case of casual gamers that probably have no real awareness of gens, they'll keep doing what they're doing.

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Here in the U.S the xbox 360 is the fad so everyone gets it because of that. There doesn't need to be any logic it's just that simple... why do people get an Ipad in the first place ? fad. Angry Birds? Fad. Apple products ? Fad. Kindle ? Fad. ( they don't even use it to read ) My friends have it so i'll have it too ( 3DS ) Fad. Do they use it ? not really they just buy games and stuff and play it once and leave it there. Ladies and gentlemen.... same logic with the Jordan Sneakers back in the days... Fad!

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Here in Japan the PS3 is the fad so everyone gets it because of that. There doesn't need to be any logic it's just that simple... why do people get an Ipad in the first place ? fad. Angry Birds? Fad. Apple products ? Fad. Kindle ? Fad. ( they don't even use it to read ) My friends have it so i'll have it too ( 3DS ) Fad.

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I get your point, but simply brushing it off as a fad is a very weak argument (as my edit should show).

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Actually XBL is what attracts people to the 360, it was the first and best online for a console, they started first which helped build up the group of people going to live rather than psn. Reputation also helps too which is why the PS3 even made a little money, otherwise, the PS3 would have been a lost cause if Sony did not have a reputation.
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Here in the U.S the xbox 360 is the fad so everyone gets it because of that. There doesn't need to be any logic it's just that simple... why do people get an Ipad in the first place ? fad. Angry Birds? Fad. Apple products ? Fad. Kindle ? Fad. ( they don't even use it to read ) My friends have it so i'll have it too ( 3DS ) Fad. Do they use it ? not really they just buy games and stuff and play it once and leave it there. Ladies and gentlemen.... same logic with the Jordan Sneakers back in the days... Fad!

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A fad would indicate success for just a short period of time. Thats not the case. Id say its more the fact the 360 is a much more social-orientated console than the PS3. People buying it because their friends own one is a much more likely occurance.

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It also proves consumers are not really the brightest bunch.
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Here in the U.S the xbox 360 is the fad so everyone gets it because of that. There doesn't need to be any logic it's just that simple... why do people get an Ipad in the first place ? fad. Angry Birds? Fad. Apple products ? Fad. Kindle ? Fad. ( they don't even use it to read ) My friends have it so i'll have it too ( 3DS ) Fad. Do they use it ? not really they just buy games and stuff and play it once and leave it there. Ladies and gentlemen.... same logic with the Jordan Sneakers back in the days... Fad!

Joedgabe

But there is logic to it. How do you think it became a fad in the first place?

There has to be demand and popularity for it to become a fad, but obtaining demand and popularity for the product is a lot harder than it looks.

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Actually XBL is what attracts people to the 360, it was the first and best online for a console, they started first which helped build up the group of people going to live rather than psn. Reputation also helps too which is why the PS3 even made a little money, otherwise, the PS3 would have been a lost cause if Sony did not have a reputation.shadowchronicle

Right, XBL was a gimmick that worked. It aided in gathering a good first impression, but the one thing that kept Microsoft going even farther was Kinect. If Kinect hadn't been made, then PS3 might've caught up to the 360 in sales and even surpassed it. The truth is that Microsoft cannot compete with Sony in terms of exclusive content without spending large amounts of money. They don't have the developer assets that Sony does.

Kinect was a gimmick that they used well, it raked in the profits and expanded the audience. Kinect provided a long-term boost in sales, a bigger boost than Sony's exclusive content.

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Actually, MS proved the opposite with the 360. They proved Exclusivity== sales.

XBL is exclusive to the 360. Many people here in America are on live, so why would they get a different system than their friends?

Kinect is exclusive to the 360. Kinect differentiated from the wii amongst casuals, unlike the move, so why would they choose a system that doesn't have kinect?

Some game/console ties are exclusive to the 360. Here in America, the Xbox is the COD console, because of how the 360 version is the most advertised. Why would the mainstream want to get a different system than the one COD was advertised for?

Halo is exclusive to the 360. Halo singlehandedly made people buy a 360 over the PS3. Halo found its way into the mainstream here. Why would the mainstream want to buy a console that doesn't have Halo versus one that doesn't?

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Yes, it's mostly the casual sales. That and the Xbox 360 still has more AAAs/AAs/As overall than the PS3. Not many people are willing to get a PS3/PC combo over just an Xbox 360 unlike what cows like to think.Eponique
It doesn't help that most of Xbox's high scoring games are just Halo,Gears and Forza.If you don't like one of series it pretty much makes the exclusives on Xbox pale compared to to Ps3.
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Actually, MS proved the opposite with the 360. They proved Exclusivity== sales.

XBL is exclusive to the 360. Many people here in America are on live, so why would they get a different system than their friends?

Kinect is exclusive to the 360. Kinect differentiated from the wii amongst casuals, unlike the move, so why would they choose a system that doesn't have kinect?

Some game/console ties are exclusive to the 360. Here in America, the Xbox is the COD console, because of how the 360 version is the most advertised. Why would the mainstream want to get a different system than the one COD was advertised for?

Halo is exclusive to the 360. Halo singlehandedly made people buy a 360 over the PS3. Halo found its way into the mainstream here. Why would the mainstream want to buy a console that doesn't have Halo versus one that doesn't?

keybladegamer

By exclusivity I specifically meant exclusive games. XBL and Kinect are great, but there are alternatives for the other consoles. Move has arguably better games than Kinect, and PSN is free. So wouldn't that mean more people would buy a PS3? No.

Advertising and first impressionsplayed a big role in 360's success, Microsoft pretty much took all the right steps at all the right times. They managed to outsell their competition which has both free online, more exclusive games, and a bluray player.

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Actually, MS proved the opposite with the 360. They proved Exclusivity== sales.

XBL is exclusive to the 360. Many people here in America are on live, so why would they get a different system than their friends?

Kinect is exclusive to the 360. Kinect differentiated from the wii amongst casuals, unlike the move, so why would they choose a system that doesn't have kinect?

Some game/console ties are exclusive to the 360. Here in America, the Xbox is the COD console, because of how the 360 version is the most advertised. Why would the mainstream want to get a different system than the one COD was advertised for?

Halo is exclusive to the 360. Halo singlehandedly made people buy a 360 over the PS3. Halo found its way into the mainstream here. Why would the mainstream want to buy a console that doesn't have Halo versus one that doesn't?

keybladegamer
I agree that Halo single handed made Xbox popular along with Xboxlive,and Kinect just kept the flow going,through one can argue the kinect is only so popular because of the amount of marketing MS put into it but either way its still a selling point to the 360.
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I wonder how many people bought the cheapest Xbox 360 then realize they'll need to get a bigger hard drive if they want to have more stuff packed into it :P

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[QUOTE="Eponique"]Yes, it's mostly the casual sales. That and the Xbox 360 still has more AAAs/AAs/As overall than the PS3. Not many people are willing to get a PS3/PC combo over just an Xbox 360 unlike what cows like to think.Gun-Unit
It doesn't help that most of Xbox's high scoring games are just Halo,Gears and Forza.If you don't like one of series it pretty much makes the exclusives on Xbox pale compared to to Ps3.


there is more games than just exclusives you know ..

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[QUOTE="keybladegamer"]

Actually, MS proved the opposite with the 360. They proved Exclusivity== sales.

XBL is exclusive to the 360. Many people here in America are on live, so why would they get a different system than their friends?

Kinect is exclusive to the 360. Kinect differentiated from the wii amongst casuals, unlike the move, so why would they choose a system that doesn't have kinect?

Some game/console ties are exclusive to the 360. Here in America, the Xbox is the COD console, because of how the 360 version is the most advertised. Why would the mainstream want to get a different system than the one COD was advertised for?

Halo is exclusive to the 360. Halo singlehandedly made people buy a 360 over the PS3. Halo found its way into the mainstream here. Why would the mainstream want to buy a console that doesn't have Halo versus one that doesn't?

XVision84

By exclusivity I specifically meant exclusive games. XBL and Kinect are great, but there are alternatives for the other consoles. Move has arguably better games than Kinect, and PSN is free. So wouldn't that mean more people would buy a PS3? No.

Advertising and first impressionsplayed a big role in 360's success, Microsoft pretty much took all the right steps at all the right times. They managed to outsell their competition which has both free online, more exclusive games, and a bluray player.

Well i wouldn't put Xbox Live as much of a selling point now days it was in the beginning days of Xbox,but even with Halo and Xbox live,360 sales were dieing off slowly untill kinect hit which sales then hit the roof.I would consider kinect the selling point of Xbox in todays market.
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[QUOTE="keybladegamer"]

Actually, MS proved the opposite with the 360. They proved Exclusivity== sales.

XBL is exclusive to the 360. Many people here in America are on live, so why would they get a different system than their friends?

Kinect is exclusive to the 360. Kinect differentiated from the wii amongst casuals, unlike the move, so why would they choose a system that doesn't have kinect?

Some game/console ties are exclusive to the 360. Here in America, the Xbox is the COD console, because of how the 360 version is the most advertised. Why would the mainstream want to get a different system than the one COD was advertised for?

Halo is exclusive to the 360. Halo singlehandedly made people buy a 360 over the PS3. Halo found its way into the mainstream here. Why would the mainstream want to buy a console that doesn't have Halo versus one that doesn't?

Gun-Unit

I agree that Halo single handed made Xbox popular along with Xboxlive,and Kinect just kept the flow going,through one can argue the kinect is only so popular because of the amount of marketing MS put into it but either way its still a selling point to the 360.

Well, Kinect is popular because of the amount of advertising. It was constantly advertised, and appeared to be more than a wii knockoff. That is why the 360 is to an extent successful. It's because Kinect was advertised as something different from a wii. Move was not, the little/if any marketing it had always portrayed it to be a wii knockoff.

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[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="keybladegamer"]

Actually, MS proved the opposite with the 360. They proved Exclusivity== sales.

XBL is exclusive to the 360. Many people here in America are on live, so why would they get a different system than their friends?

Kinect is exclusive to the 360. Kinect differentiated from the wii amongst casuals, unlike the move, so why would they choose a system that doesn't have kinect?

Some game/console ties are exclusive to the 360. Here in America, the Xbox is the COD console, because of how the 360 version is the most advertised. Why would the mainstream want to get a different system than the one COD was advertised for?

Halo is exclusive to the 360. Halo singlehandedly made people buy a 360 over the PS3. Halo found its way into the mainstream here. Why would the mainstream want to buy a console that doesn't have Halo versus one that doesn't?

Gun-Unit

By exclusivity I specifically meant exclusive games. XBL and Kinect are great, but there are alternatives for the other consoles. Move has arguably better games than Kinect, and PSN is free. So wouldn't that mean more people would buy a PS3? No.

Advertising and first impressionsplayed a big role in 360's success, Microsoft pretty much took all the right steps at all the right times. They managed to outsell their competition which has both free online, more exclusive games, and a bluray player.

Well i wouldn't put Xbox Live as much of a selling point now days it was in the beginning days of Xbox,but even with Halo and Xbox live,360 sales were dieing off slowly untill kinect hit which sales then hit the roof.I would consider kinect the selling point of Xbox in todays market.

Exactly. The games and onlineprovided the first impression, Kinect (the gimmick) kept it going. Kinect worked a lot better than Sony's swarm of exclusive games.

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[QUOTE="Gun-Unit"][QUOTE="Eponique"]Yes, it's mostly the casual sales. That and the Xbox 360 still has more AAAs/AAs/As overall than the PS3. Not many people are willing to get a PS3/PC combo over just an Xbox 360 unlike what cows like to think.Strutten

It doesn't help that most of Xbox's high scoring games are just Halo,Gears and Forza.If you don't like one of series it pretty much makes the exclusives on Xbox pale compared to to Ps3.


there is more games than just exclusives you know ..

Never said they were,but when you talk about sales multiplatform games don't sell consoles as you can get them else where.Its all about exclusives,through MS has prove you don't need many exclusives you just need a very popular exclusives to sell.Doesn't mean it has the best exclusives either but it doesn't mean ps3 does either.That comes down to purly opinion.

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[QUOTE="Gun-Unit"][QUOTE="keybladegamer"]

Actually, MS proved the opposite with the 360. They proved Exclusivity== sales.

XBL is exclusive to the 360. Many people here in America are on live, so why would they get a different system than their friends?

Kinect is exclusive to the 360. Kinect differentiated from the wii amongst casuals, unlike the move, so why would they choose a system that doesn't have kinect?

Some game/console ties are exclusive to the 360. Here in America, the Xbox is the COD console, because of how the 360 version is the most advertised. Why would the mainstream want to get a different system than the one COD was advertised for?

Halo is exclusive to the 360. Halo singlehandedly made people buy a 360 over the PS3. Halo found its way into the mainstream here. Why would the mainstream want to buy a console that doesn't have Halo versus one that doesn't?

keybladegamer

I agree that Halo single handed made Xbox popular along with Xboxlive,and Kinect just kept the flow going,through one can argue the kinect is only so popular because of the amount of marketing MS put into it but either way its still a selling point to the 360.

Well, Kinect is popular because of the amount of advertising. It was constantly advertised, and appeared to be more than a wii knockoff. That is why the 360 is to an extent successful. It's because Kinect was advertised as something different from a wii. Move was not, the little/if any marketing it had always portrayed it to be a wii knockoff.

It's not just about being a wii knockoff, it's about appeal. Kinect is a lot more "spectacular" than the Move will ever be, that's why no matter how many games are made for the Move, Kinect will always sell more.

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[QUOTE="Strutten"]

[QUOTE="Gun-Unit"] It doesn't help that most of Xbox's high scoring games are just Halo,Gears and Forza.If you don't like one of series it pretty much makes the exclusives on Xbox pale compared to to Ps3.Gun-Unit


there is more games than just exclusives you know ..

Never said they were,but when you talk about sales multiplatform games don't sell consoles as you can get them else where.Its all about exclusives,through MS has prove you don't need many exclusives you just need a very popular exclusives to sell.Doesn't mean it has the best exclusives either but it doesn't mean ps3 does either.That comes down to purly opinion.

Multiplatform games can sell consoles and lots of them.

I'd wager that the MW3 Xbox 360 bundle sold more than the Uncharted 3 PS3 bundle and the Infamous 2 PS3 bundle combined.

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[QUOTE="Gun-Unit"]

[QUOTE="Strutten"]
there is more games than just exclusives you know ..

XVision84

Never said they were,but when you talk about sales multiplatform games don't sell consoles as you can get them else where.Its all about exclusives,through MS has prove you don't need many exclusives you just need a very popular exclusives to sell.Doesn't mean it has the best exclusives either but it doesn't mean ps3 does either.That comes down to purly opinion.

Multiplatform games can sell consoles and lots of them.

I'd wager that the MW3 Xbox 360 bundle sold more than the Uncharted 3 PS3 bundle and the Infamous 2 PS3 bundle combined.

Yes but it still boils down to exclusive timed content,MW3 also sells more then Uncharted on Ps3.In the end its about exclusives and exclusive content.Some people can't wait a month to get ahold of new maps.Just like Batman sold more on PS3 because of the exclusive play of joker.

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The upcoming Kinect titles are going to offer a unique way to play games that can be accessible to both casual and hardcore audiences. Sure you can pick out titles like Sesame Street and yell "lawl Kinect" but that doesn't change the fact that there are good games available and upcoming for it.

The 360 has an extensive library of games as well,appealing to the widest range of tastes. Anybody can jump in and enjoy the old and the new, as well as Kinect.

360 will explode in sales yet again this year as The Witcher 2 and Halo 4 are coming out. Witcher 2 not so much, but Halo 4 is/will be a system seller for those who don't own, or those who have discarded their 360 previously.

Not to mention MS is no doubt using the vast amount of funds accumulated over time to fund incredible next gen titles for the 720. The success and versatility of MS will only attract more and more buzz as even more PC devs like Projeckt CD Red release their titles on MS consoles ( See Blizzard).

MS had an incredible gen and is lying in wait to ambush us with the 720 for next gen. It's a good time to be a 360 owner, despite the fact we don't have as many games coming out as the PS3. Big deal. What we have is still great. Next gen will be even better.

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I get your point, but simply brushing it off as a fad is a very weak argument (as my edit should show).

Snugenz

That actually pretty much proves my points quite effectively. People follow what others do too much so things become mainstream. Culture plays the most important element when it comes to businesses quite often.

But there is logic to it. How do you think it became a fad in the first place?

There has to be demand and popularity for it to become a fad, but obtaining demand and popularity for the product is a lot harder than it looks.

XVision84

Because it likely came out first so people went for it. Plus it was nicely advertised but pretty much it has become popular because other people have it. Say my cousin for instance his friends had it so he got it does't even play video games, and so on the xbox is what's "cool" to get right now not the Ps3. Samething as to why Call of Duty is the game to get right now. You can throw in any logic you want to it but at the end is just people following other people. Think about it... the sales in games don't compare at all with the amount of consoles sold. Every console has sold more than 50m systems and you see most games struggle to get 1m. Is a Fad, most people that buy it don't care for games they just buy it because they have extra money to spend.

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Microsoft is for casuals, Sony is for core gamers.

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Microsoft just proved what most Savvy business men already knew, the key to success is agressive marketing of your products, something SONy actually did the last 2 generations, the main reason the Ps3 is not as successful as the Ps2 is for 2 reasons: 1.lack of agressive marketing. 2. it was marketed as a blu-ray player and not a console
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#28 delta3074
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Microsoft is for casuals, Sony is for core gamers.

tjricardo089
there are more core multiplats on the 360 and the PS3 and 360 have a fairly equal amount of core exclusives so i don't see your point.
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#29 KC_Hokie
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As a PS3 and Xbox 360 owner I buy the vast majority of multiplatforms for the Xbox 360.

So I would argue MS proves that having a better overall library of games sells consoles while 'exclusives' aren't as important as they used to be (like last generation).

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#30 Gun-Unit
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[QUOTE="delta3074"]Microsoft just proved what most Savvy business men already knew, the key to success is agressive marketing of your products, something SONy actually did the last 2 generations, the main reason the Ps3 is not as successful as the Ps2 is for 2 reasons: 1.lack of agressive marketing. 2. it was marketed as a blu-ray player and not a console

Mass marketing doesn't always work look at bing,MS is losing billions trying to get it popular,but everyone knows its a waste of time because google has so much control.
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#31 KC_Hokie
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[QUOTE="delta3074"]Microsoft just proved what most Savvy business men already knew, the key to success is agressive marketing of your products, something SONy actually did the last 2 generations, the main reason the Ps3 is not as successful as the Ps2 is for 2 reasons: 1.lack of agressive marketing. 2. it was marketed as a blu-ray player and not a consoleGun-Unit
Mass marketing doesn't always work look at bing,MS is losing billions trying to get it popular,but everyone knows its a waste of time because google has so much control.

I agree that excuse doesn't really make sense. MS advertised the hell out of Bing and Zune and both are arguably fail.

I don't think I've ever seen a Steam advertisement and they dominate. And it's not even close.

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#32 delta3074
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[QUOTE="Gun-Unit"][QUOTE="delta3074"]Microsoft just proved what most Savvy business men already knew, the key to success is agressive marketing of your products, something SONy actually did the last 2 generations, the main reason the Ps3 is not as successful as the Ps2 is for 2 reasons: 1.lack of agressive marketing. 2. it was marketed as a blu-ray player and not a console

Mass marketing doesn't always work look at bing,MS is losing billions trying to get it popular,but everyone knows its a waste of time because google has so much control.

i have honestly never seen bing being advertised on the TV or in magazines or newspapers over here, not like the 360 and kinect which is advertised every 5 minutes, i agree though, sometimes mass marketing doesn't work but that usually happens when you try to go up against a product,like google, which everybody loves and is familiar with.
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#33 KC_Hokie
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Gun-Unit"][QUOTE="delta3074"]Microsoft just proved what most Savvy business men already knew, the key to success is agressive marketing of your products, something SONy actually did the last 2 generations, the main reason the Ps3 is not as successful as the Ps2 is for 2 reasons: 1.lack of agressive marketing. 2. it was marketed as a blu-ray player and not a console

Mass marketing doesn't always work look at bing,MS is losing billions trying to get it popular,but everyone knows its a waste of time because google has so much control.

i have honestly never seen bing being advertised on the TV or in magazines or newspapers over here, not like the 360 and kinect which is advertised every 5 minutes, i agree though, sometimes mass marketing doesn't work but that usually happens when you try to go up against a product,like google, which everybody loves and is familiar with.

In the U.S. you'll see a Bing commercial at least every 30 minutes on just about any channel. And that's no exaggeration.
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#34 meetroid8
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On the flipside, the Wii would have been a complete failure without exclusives. So you can't write off their importance entirely.
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#35 Snugenz
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[QUOTE="Gun-Unit"][QUOTE="delta3074"]Microsoft just proved what most Savvy business men already knew, the key to success is agressive marketing of your products, something SONy actually did the last 2 generations, the main reason the Ps3 is not as successful as the Ps2 is for 2 reasons: 1.lack of agressive marketing. 2. it was marketed as a blu-ray player and not a consoledelta3074
Mass marketing doesn't always work look at bing,MS is losing billions trying to get it popular,but everyone knows its a waste of time because google has so much control.

i have honestly never seen bing being advertised on the TV or in magazines or newspapers over here, not like the 360 and kinect which is advertised every 5 minutes, i agree though, sometimes mass marketing doesn't work but that usually happens when you try to go up against a product,like google, which everybody loves and is familiar with.

I've definitely seen bing advertised on UK and Irish TV, and alot at that.

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#36 speedfog
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I wonder how many people bought the cheapest Xbox 360 then realize they'll need to get a bigger hard drive if they want to have more stuff packed into it :P

NoodleFighter



I'm sure that most of the people knew it. Not everyone can pay at once everything. Like me and all my other friends. We starded with the arcade version to atleast game on a current gen console. After a while we bought a hard drive.

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#37 delta3074
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Gun-Unit"] Mass marketing doesn't always work look at bing,MS is losing billions trying to get it popular,but everyone knows its a waste of time because google has so much control.Snugenz

i have honestly never seen bing being advertised on the TV or in magazines or newspapers over here, not like the 360 and kinect which is advertised every 5 minutes, i agree though, sometimes mass marketing doesn't work but that usually happens when you try to go up against a product,like google, which everybody loves and is familiar with.

I've definitely seen bing advertised on UK and Irish TV, and alot at that.

i don't watch that much TV but when i do i see a lot of kinect adverts, i honestly have not seen a bing one yet, i am sad now, everyones seen a Bing advert except me:(
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#38 Nonstop-Madness
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Its because unique experiences sell. Whether thats XBL or Kinect.
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#39 Blake135
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It's called money and the American way of absorbing anything that they think is popular. MS advertised the hell out of the Xbox360/Kinect, Kinect is cool I played it a few times myself. However like the Wii it's little fun appeal soon runs off and your wanting just a normal controller again.
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#40 kuraimen
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Microsoft is for casuals, Sony is for core gamers.

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#41 delta3074
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[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

Microsoft is for casuals, Sony is for core gamers.

kuraimen

stupid statement, there are more core multiplats on the 360 and roughly an equal number of core exclusives on both platforms.
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#42 Pug-Nasty
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The 360 has been the lowest selling console most years since the Wii and Ps3 released, proving that the 360 is less attractive than any other console.

They may be selling more now since Kinect released. i don't know the numbers, but all that proves is appealing to larger audience leads to more sales. That much is obvious.

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#43 WilliamRLBaker
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It also proves consumers are not really the brightest bunch.kuraimen
which would include you...
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#44 EG101
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MS proved having a bigger and better library of games sells more consoles. When you include every single Live Arcade game, PC/Xbox releases and full retail releases 360 has a better Over All library of games than PS3 PERIOD. This coming from a PS3 and 360 owner. Also some people are stating that 360 sales were dying off until Kinect released but that statement is entirely false. 360 sales have increased each year steadily.

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#45 dercoo
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I believe the main thing the 360 has proved was releasing 1 year sooner and cheaper gives you an advantage

(Wii proved casual market>>>core, in terms of sales)

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#46 PinnacleGamingP
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how does that prove anything? 360 is last place in world wide sales, they failed at games, and sales. PS3 > Vita > wii > 3DS > Legacy system > Android Gaming > Iphone gaming > board gaming > xbox = 360
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#47 ShadowMoses900
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All your points are wrong, especially the whole idea of "casuals". There is no such thing, sorry. As gamers we should be a more welcoming community to new players, we are the veterens here so we should show more respect.

Plus many of these so called "casual" gamers may start off playing easy games but they often get interested in the more complex and challengeing games.I'm glad the game industry is growing, it's the only way for it to get respect in the world as a true art form.

I want future generations to study games just like they do movies and books, I want games to be a source of inspiration for people, it's an art form.And choosing to close your door to the so called "casuals" isn't going to make that happen.

And Sony has a great reputation, what world do you live in? The Playstation brand is a house hold name.

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#48 cainetao11
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I have a 360, had one all gen, and I have enjoyed the hell out of it. I still have games I havent gotten to play on it. Same with my PS3.
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All your points are wrong, especially the whole idea of "casuals". There is no such thing, sorry. As gamers we should be a more welcoming community to new players, we are the veterens here so we should show more respect.

Plus many of these so called "casual" gamers may start off playing easy games but they often get interested in the more complex and challengeing games.I'm glad the game industry is growing, it's the only way for it to get respect in the world as a true art form.

I want future generations to study games just like they do movies and books, I want games to be a source of inspiration for people, it's an art form.And choosing to close your door to the so called "casuals" isn't going to make that happen.

And Sony has a great reputation, what world do you live in? The Playstation brand is a house hold name.

ShadowMoses900

I never said casuals weren't gamers, casual gamers are those who do not game very much and don't spend time discussing the industry. There is no "division" or "discrimination", just a simple term for a group of people.

Also, you said all my points are wrong...but you didn't say why.

And I didn't say Sony had a bad reputation, in fact I'm pretty sure I said they had a fantastic one from the PS2.

Come on Shadow, you can do better than that :P

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#50 ShadowMoses900
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

All your points are wrong, especially the whole idea of "casuals". There is no such thing, sorry. As gamers we should be a more welcoming community to new players, we are the veterens here so we should show more respect.

Plus many of these so called "casual" gamers may start off playing easy games but they often get interested in the more complex and challengeing games.I'm glad the game industry is growing, it's the only way for it to get respect in the world as a true art form.

I want future generations to study games just like they do movies and books, I want games to be a source of inspiration for people, it's an art form.And choosing to close your door to the so called "casuals" isn't going to make that happen.

And Sony has a great reputation, what world do you live in? The Playstation brand is a house hold name.

XVision84

I never said casuals weren't gamers, casual gamers are those who do not game very much and don't spend time discussing the industry. There is no "division" or "discrimination", just a simple term for a group of people.

Also, you said all my points are wrong...but you didn't say why.

And I didn't say Sony had a bad reputation, in fact I'm pretty sure I said they had a fantastic one from the PS2.

Come on Shadow, you can do better than that :P

You missed the big point, that the more one plays on Playstation the more cool and attractive and rich they become, while the more one spends playing Xbox the more less cool, and unattractive, and poor they become.

Studies have proven this so there is no diputing, you can't argue with sceince sorry.