Microsoft redesigns the 360 and STILL doesn't have a slot disc drive?

I guess the safest option is the old Saturn,/PS/DC flip mechanism – never got any problems with discs stuck back in the ol' days. I guess it's a little passé though…

poptart

I guess the safest option is the old Saturn,/PS/DC flip mechanism – never got any problems with discs stuck back in the ol' days. I guess it's a little passé though…

poptart

who cares about the disc slot/tray all that matters is RROD issue and how that will affect the future of the Xbox360 warranty

if the fail rate drops will MS drop some years or take away the option that resets your warranty if MS sends you a new Xbox360 when they can't fix the old one

wats sadder than the TC is how everyone is going crazy

I can't for the life of me understand why some people wish for uniformity in the design of a console when there is no real benefit to that uniformity.

Because how you insert the disc makes the game play way better!! :o

AdobeArtist

Because tell that story to the millions of people that have disc drive problems on their awesome state of the art 360...slot drive is better just in case you didnt know..

The PS3 got redesigned but the PS3 still don't have the standard faster wifi N. Or do they have it, maybe I missed that announcement at their conference?

Say what you want but the new xbox 360 is off the chain, my respect for microsoft has grew and this is from a ps3 owner.

I guess 99.9% of the PCs out there are old fashioned too...hmmm.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Because how you insert the disc makes the game play way better!! :o

VanDammFan

Because tell that story to the millions of people that have disc drive problems on their awesome state of the art 360...slot drive is better just in case you didnt know..

Just where do you get this "millions" from?

And it doesn't change my point at all. The means by which the media is inserted into the machine has no bearing on the game play experience at all. Once its in there, you're not looking at the disc, you're looking at your screen.

If anything the touch sensored on/off panel makes me more scared. But I guess I just like buttons more.

[QUOTE="Boomshaffted"]So, for all the slot-drive enthusiasts here, may I ask... What's the significant advantage of slot drives that makes you want them so bad?93soccer

Trays are less reliable(break easier) and can cause disc scratching. Its really not a big deal and who cares but a slot drive is a better option. If your going to redesign your system, why not put in a slot drive? Oh, i know why. It cost a little more money and we are talking about MS here.djsifer01

[QUOTE="Modern_Unit"]

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Because how you insert the disc makes the game play way better!! :o

AncientDozer

Wow, this generation of people are really lazy

I understand the complaint a bit I won't fault you for having it, but overall I prefer the tray..my flat-panel tv has a slot drive and...well it doesn't take Dvds anymore...and given the design there is really nothing I can to about it unless I want to deal with some complicated and expensive repairs. I really do prefer the tray plus I never have to worry about shoving the disc in to hard or any other silly thing like that. Again my complaints just like yours are mostly nitpicky, but you get my point.

I guess 99.9% of the PCs out there are old fashioned too...hmmm.

coasterguy65

You guys are idiots if you think trays are more reliable than the slot. I've wrecked 2 of my games because of that damn tray (one with me learning you couldn't move it, the other i accidentally bumped it)... and the xbox itself wrecked 1 other. Thankfully my SECOND xbox hasn't done anything.

Infinite_Access

The only good thing about trays are if your system is not working you can manually get the cd out.That's all everything else slot does better.genaroll

[QUOTE="genaroll"]The only good thing about trays are if your system is not working you can manually get the cd out.That's all everything else slot does better.heretrix

lmao who cares about that. 99.999% of all computers use tray discs. It brings down the price of the entire system. Slot loading looks cool but its not a big deal.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="genaroll"]The only good thing about trays are if your system is not working you can manually get the cd out.That's all everything else slot does better.genaroll

Being able to get your disc out if the drive seizes up, that's a big plus right there. I mean scratched games can be replaced by the manufacturer if you are ignorant enough to move your system while it's running, it's not a big deal.

[QUOTE="genaroll"][QUOTE="heretrix"]Like what? Play the disk? Because that pretty much all you got left.

Being able to get your disc out if the drive seizes up, that's a big plus right there. I mean scratched games can be replaced by the manufacturer if you are ignorant enough to move your system while it's running, it's not a big deal.

[QUOTE="tempest91"]

[QUOTE="genaroll"] No disk scratching big plus right there.gammon56

Being able to get your disc out if the drive seizes up, that's a big plus right there. I mean scratched games can be replaced by the manufacturer if you are ignorant enough to move your system while it's running, it's not a big deal.

Its because having a broken tray would be another reason to send your Xbox in for a repair. Same reason why the controller uses a battery pack; you'd have to buy a new one if you lost it

It's no big deal. I would prefer a loader like the PS3 and Wii, but hey, it's not like its detrimental and requires an extra few steps to play a game.

It's whatever.

Being able to get your disc out if the drive seizes up, that's a big plus right there. I mean scratched games can be replaced by the manufacturer if you are ignorant enough to move your system while it's running, it's not a big deal.

tempest91

[QUOTE="tempest91"]

Being able to get your disc out if the drive seizes up, that's a big plus right there. I mean scratched games can be replaced by the manufacturer if you are ignorant enough to move your system while it's running, it's not a big deal.

nethernova

[QUOTE="tempest91"]

Being able to get your disc out if the drive seizes up, that's a big plus right there. I mean scratched games can be replaced by the manufacturer if you are ignorant enough to move your system while it's running, it's not a big deal.

nethernova

They won't steal it, they'll just break the disc, and when you send systems out for repair in such cases, they specifically state that they do not cover any games or movies in the system and in most cases will not return them unless under special circumstances which pretty much means never.

PS, why in the hell do you have your system standing on shot glasses, I really hope that's a joke :?

Exit to the dashboard and press x on the game disc part to eject the disc.genaroll

PS, why in the hell do you have your system standing on shot glasses, I really hope that's a joke :?

tempest91

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Because how you insert the disc makes the game play way better!! :o

Modern_Unit

Wow, this generation of people are really lazy

this is what you are complaining about? lol

slot drives are more prone to dust issues. this is fact. this is why PCs abandoned the idea years ago.

even if it does have a door that opens when a disk is inserted is still has a slot where dust can readily build up and be taken into the machine with a new disk. if anything i'd say a slot drive is going back in time with tech, not forward. slot drives are not 'new' with the PS3 - this **** has tried and failed many times before.

just because it's used on a console it DOES NOT mean it is new, necessary, or prudent ;).

slot drives are more prone to dust issues. this is fact. this is why PCs abandoned the idea years ago.

even if it does have a door that opens when a disk is inserted is still has a slot where dust can readily build up and be taken into the machine with a new disk. if anything i'd say a slot drive is going back in time with tech, not forward. slot drives are not 'new' with the PS3 - this **** has tried and failed many times before.

just because it's used on a console it DOES NOT mean it is new, necessary, or prudent ;).

3picuri3

My main concern is if the drive fails. How do you extract a disc from a dead slot drive? At least most tray drives allow for using the ol' paperclip.

I've been reading this thread since I was suspended without the ability to reply and Really I can't believe some of the comments being made.

A few examples.
Slot drives are better then trey drives.
Tray drives are old technology.
slot drives are more reliable.

slot drives being better is simply opinion, I like tray drives more.
does any one here know how old slot drives are? go back to the late 80's and you'll start seeing cars use them slot drives are old too, and tray drives are used in all most every thing where slot drives aren't used so thats what 70% of things?

slot drives are less reliable then tray drives this is a simple fact, a comparibly built and price tray drive will allways outpreform a slot drive, tray drives are trusted and reliable tech, the only reason the ones in original 360 units were faulty is because of cheapness if they had been of higher build quality and price they wouldn't have the problems they do.

slot drives and tray drives work exactly the same except for the entry method the inside guts work exactly the same, A disc is take into the unit by either a tray or griping plate, and it put ontop of a spinner, a magnetic restrictor plate is placed ontop of the disc and a magnetic field keeps the plate puting preasure down on the disc so it stays in place as it spins.

So please stop with that stuff that slot drives are more reliable when both methods past the insertion method work exactly the same.

[QUOTE="gammon56"][QUOTE="tempest91"]

Being able to get your disc out if the drive seizes up, that's a big plus right there. I mean scratched games can be replaced by the manufacturer if you are ignorant enough to move your system while it's running, it's not a big deal.

genaroll

[QUOTE="genaroll"][QUOTE="gammon56"] why would you ever move the system while its running anyways?Verge_6

whats amazing is that they actually think, if I take a ps3 while its disc is in full spin and sharply upturn it or wobble it around like the e3 360 disc scratch video the ps3 will do nothing.

this reminds me of going to the childrens museum as a child and they would have the gyro center there, a guy would sit you in a swivel chair, and give you a bike wheel with handle bars on the axis bolt. he'd then spin the bike wheel and depending on how you held it it would put force on you turning the chair, even when holding it stock still it would be hard to keep it balanced. the same affect happens in the 360 and any other system that uses a disc drive gyroscopic forces are affecting the disc and the drive it self as it spins....it doesn't help that cows are trying to make out the new 360 can only be put in a vertical position they totally ignore the fact in the video its on its side...

[QUOTE="Mckenna1845"]

it seems pretty pointless on a consumer level really. especially without a price change... it looks pretty much the same size judging from the engadget unpacking, the only real draw is the wifi. i guess it's cool for them with arcades looking to upgrade or those looking for a new console. like the ps3 slim i definitely wouldn't bother selling my previous console for it.

as for the disk tray i don't see the problem really.

topgunmv

Did they move the power brick into the case? If so then I'd consider that fairly impressive.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="Mckenna1845"]

it seems pretty pointless on a consumer level really. especially without a price change... it looks pretty much the same size judging from the engadget unpacking, the only real draw is the wifi. i guess it's cool for them with arcades looking to upgrade or those looking for a new console. like the ps3 slim i definitely wouldn't bother selling my previous console for it.

as for the disk tray i don't see the problem really.

Mckenna1845

Did they move the power brick into the case? If so then I'd consider that fairly impressive.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

slot drives are more prone to dust issues. this is fact. this is why PCs abandoned the idea years ago.

even if it does have a door that opens when a disk is inserted is still has a slot where dust can readily build up and be taken into the machine with a new disk. if anything i'd say a slot drive is going back in time with tech, not forward. slot drives are not 'new' with the PS3 - this **** has tried and failed many times before.

just because it's used on a console it DOES NOT mean it is new, necessary, or prudent ;).

HuusAsking

My main concern is if the drive fails. How do you extract a disc from a dead slot drive? At least most tray drives allow for using the ol' paperclip.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

slot drives are more prone to dust issues. this is fact. this is why PCs abandoned the idea years ago.

even if it does have a door that opens when a disk is inserted is still has a slot where dust can readily build up and be taken into the machine with a new disk. if anything i'd say a slot drive is going back in time with tech, not forward. slot drives are not 'new' with the PS3 - this **** has tried and failed many times before.

just because it's used on a console it DOES NOT mean it is new, necessary, or prudent ;).

3picuri3

My main concern is if the drive fails. How do you extract a disc from a dead slot drive? At least most tray drives allow for using the ol' paperclip.

I've been reading this thread since I was suspended without the ability to reply and Really I can't believe some of the comments being made.

A few examples.
Slot drives are better then trey drives.
Tray drives are old technology.
slot drives are more reliable.

slot drives being better is simply opinion, I like tray drives more.
does any one here know how old slot drives are? go back to the late 80's and you'll start seeing cars use them slot drives are old too, and tray drives are used in all most every thing where slot drives aren't used so thats what 70% of things?

slot drives are less reliable then tray drives this is a simple fact, a comparibly built and price tray drive will allways outpreform a slot drive, tray drives are trusted and reliable tech, the only reason the ones in original 360 units were faulty is because of cheapness if they had been of higher build quality and price they wouldn't have the problems they do.

slot drives and tray drives work exactly the same except for the entry method the inside guts work exactly the same, A disc is take into the unit by either a tray or griping plate, and it put ontop of a spinner, a magnetic restrictor plate is placed ontop of the disc and a magnetic field keeps the plate puting preasure down on the disc so it stays in place as it spins.

So please stop with that stuff that slot drives are more reliable when both methods past the insertion method work exactly the same.

WilliamRLBaker

Your claim is not a fact, it is an opinion. What is "reliable" is subjective to one's thoughts, experiences,and perspectives.