Microsoft should be outselling Sony worldwide

@Juub1990: why are bringing up the remaster when we're talking about uncharted 4? I don't think you have valid point here to make. If you had, you would actually stay on topic instead of bringing up a game we're not even talking. No the main game of sm64 takes 9hours. Uncharted would be more than 20hours if you collect all treasures, notes in the campaign etc. You would take 10 hours more for platinum trophy, is the same logic as collecting all stars in sm64 according to your logic.

Truth is, you don't have good arguments in your favor.

The remaster is an example of how the multiplayer in Uncharted doesn't matter and is an afterthought. It's just there as a check mark. Just like in Spec Ops: The Line. If it was a central and important component ND would have brought it back. In terms of MP Uncharted 4 doesn't come close to legitimate multiplayer games like Gears or Halo. These games' MP is arguably more important than their SP.

120 stars collection is central to the gameplay of Mario 64. It's not the same as collecting treasures in Uncharted at all. You need 50 stars or so to access the last level but you'd be doing yourself a disservice by not collecting all the stars. You'd miss on a lot of elements. Some levels like Snowman's Land are completely optional. Collecting treasures adds absolutely nothing to Uncharted and you wouldn't be missing out on a thing by not collecting them. I beat Uncharted 2 and I had collected exactly 5 treasures. I beat the remaster and collected all the treasures and found nothing new.

I barely collected anything and beat Uncharted 4. Doing a rerun to collect the treasures would add nothing.

If you had played both games(which I suspect you did not) you would know the difference is obvious and wouldn't even make that argument. Collecting all the stars in Mario 64 is akin to finishing all the quests in TW3 or TES. Collecting all the treasures in Uncharted is akin to collecting all the dog tags in GOW. Worthless. Just collectibles.

So, you ignore a 10/10 game like Uncharted 4 , R&C (8/10), Dragon Quest Builders (83 MC) along with other Japanese games that released this year and are actual exclusives but want everyone to get excited over Gears of Flop (7/10), Quantum Flop (6/10), and Reflop (6/10)? LOL @ your mediocre lem standards, no wonder MS is losing money on the Xflop brand.

Uncharted 4 destroys the entire Xbone lineup and if you go include games like Bloodborne (9/10) from last year it just becomes a total massacre. No wonder your butthurt is through the roof. Uncharted 4 will get GOTY while no one will remember Boreza Horizon or Quantum Flop in the years to come.

you wrong.

1. The lack of mp in the nathan drake collection got huge backlash, to the point that Naughty Dog had to respond and explain why it removed the MP

http://powerupgaming.co.uk/2015/09/26/naughty-dog-sheds-more-light-on-multiplayer-removal-from-uncharted-the-nathan-drake-collection/

2. Blue Point Games developed the title. Different devs entirely. ND was busy with U4 and decided to move on with implenting mp in the nathan drake collection

3. Look at the disaster with Halo MCC, I guess they wanted to avoid the same faith

4. Collecting 120 stars isn't really central to the gameplay. Once you defeat Bowser in the last stage, in the first run, the credits will roll. 120 Collecting is one of the first Major easter eggs in Gaming though:

You get congratulated by yoshi for finishing the game

5.120 collecting stars is literally the precursor of platinum trophies/archivements. You get rewarded with a text that you finished the game 100%

Disregarding all the japanese games just because they don't have replay value is ridiculous. Might as well disregard the majority of greatest games of all time. Some of the greatest games ever only last like 5 hours(snes) without any real purpose beyond campaign, tho you still reply out of fun.

LOLLOLOLO come on dude you act as if you're impartial. It's your opinion but that doesn't make it so. People might prefer the PS console to MS but that's just that, a preference.

That FACT(and i think you need to learn the definition of a fact) that the X1 sells fantastic in the UK debunks your "XBox is a regional brand". It might sell better in NA but it also sells outside of it just not as much as the PS brand.

Once again stating opinion as fact. Go to google.com and look up the definition of fact.

Now you may continue with your cowing

Anything missing will get backlash. People got over it. Microsoft would have never gotten away by removing the MP component for Gears of War remaster. Gears not only have a very solid single player but also a terrific multiplayer that is central to the experience. Some people don't even bother with the multiplayer and the game gets played competitively on worldwide stage. Uncharted MP is a nice bonus. It's not needed and people often don't even count it when reviewing the game. It's all about the SP.

Collecting stars is central to the gameplay in the sense that by collecting them you're very much extending the core gameplay. It's like saying Skyrim is only 9hrs. Sure, the main quest can be beaten fairly quickly but then you'd miss out on hundreds of quests. You get secrets, different objectives, course alterations etc. Collecting treasures is really just that, collecting. You literally wouldn't miss a thing by not collecting them. Basically collecting 120 stars in Mario 64 extends the gameplay. Collecting treasures in Uncharted does not. That's where the difference lies and that's why the comparison isn't good.

Back then the majority of game like Super Mario Bros 3 got away with their gameplay. As I mentioned before, gameplay is timeless. Once you've seen that train blow up in Uncharted you've seen it. Cinematic experiences appeal to emotions and the present moment. That's what Uncharted banks on and unlike gameplay it wears out extremely quickly.

You still don't get it. I recommend you to actually read the article. ND was busy with developing U4, they had to help blue point games to implent U2 and U3 MP in the game. Due to being busy, they decided against it and included the U4 MP Beta instead. Don't pretend like U2 MP wasn't praised by critics and fans alike. Just don't dude. They didn't remove it because of lack of interest, in the article itself he says that U2 and U3 servers are still being played, and they would've have shut the servers down, to upgrade it to the Nathan Drake collection

@trollhunter2: I played it and it was garbage lol. You play Uncharted 4 for the SP. Nobody buys it for the MP.

congrats to yourself. Majority of others disgagreed. The SP and MP were factually good and praised by fans and critics alike, regardless of your opinion. You debate with facts, not your opinion

False. Plenty of people think Uncharted multiplayer is trash. Facts?

Uncharted multiplyer isn't important to the game. It is a bonus. Uncharted is judged for the most part for its story, cinematic elements and acting. All these aspects shine in SP, not in MP.

Uncharted MP has no credible competitive scene and never will.

Uncharted got away despite selling the collection without MP. Halo would have never dared to try that.

Halo MP is absolutely central to the game. It's its bread and butter and is what the game is known for. Same for games like Gears.

Here are your facts. Don't try to pass off Uncharted MP for something it isn't. It's a nice addition but ultimately forgettable and won't take away from your experience in the slightest if you completely ignore it.

You're the one who brought up Recore and Quantum Break. Nobody else did.

I already included Uncharted 4 and R&C. Great. They were released months ago. You guys played and beat them. What have you got now? Other Japanese games such as what aside from Dragon Quest Builders which is a glorified portable game? Not saying it's not good but damn when all you got to brag about in the past few months are 10$ price increases and Vita games it's quite telling PS4 isn't doing too well.

Of course! Xboner excuse : but, but, but......digital sales. LOL! I think that digital sales are 90 percent. Let's see how it was for Halo 5. Around 30% at launch, which is normal digital-retail ratio, Xbone dumbass! GeOW 4 sales were lower than 100k in UK. You have google. Search it.

@kvally: currently you can only play them on ps4.

And ps4 pro IS ps4. Just like how Xbox one S is Xbox one just with a bigger hard drive and some new, minor features

But it isn't.

So you have no link that shows retail and digital sales in the UK? Feel free to post back when you have one. Thanks!

Currently, yes. But after November 10th, you can play them on another platform, called PS Pro. They are different systems with different hardware, and games that perform differently. Luckily, they have backwards compat in the PS Pro in order to play PS4 versions of the games according to Cerny from Sony who created the hardware:

"2.13GHz CPU and 911MHz GPU in Pro mode, running at 1.6GHz and 800MHz respectively in base PS4 mode in order to lock back-compat with the standard model"

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-inside-playstation-4-pro-how-sony-made-a-4k-games-machine

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The good news is, that they are keeping compatibility. It's a win win for gamers. The more games that are multiplat the better.

Hey! If i recall, i wrote : google it. Something like : Gears Of War 4 PAL sales.... But you're goddamn lazy ( like every Xboner as usual ) to find some link. Here is the hint : week 41.

Uuuuuh, so salty Xboner when their favorite franchise flopped in sales. Cheers!

Guess what, there is no link, lol. You freakin' liar. Microsoft hasn't released digital sales to the public, so it is impossible for you to know and impossible for you to have a link. Now go do your homework.

Yup, I am a salty manticore. Oh boy. You got me, boy oh boy.

You are aware that Kvally played you for a fool right?

@Juub1990: You have too many excuses dude. You can't brush off good PS4 games by saying they released months ago or that they are "glorified portable games" and then bring up flops like Recore and Quantum Flop to justify your system. A good game is a good game regardless of when it releases in the year. Not everyone dumps games after their first playthrough, a lot of gamers such as myself keep going back to good games months later and even years after they release to enjoy them again or to complete them 100%.

@quadknight: You're the one who mentioned Recore and Quantum Break idiot.

@Juub1990: You make it sound like even Gears of Fail is not a flop as well. They are all flops Quantum Flop and Gears of Flops are interchangeable Xbone flops that failed to meet their hype.

UC4 and R&C destroy both of them. The only worthwhile game on Xbone that isn't a flop is Forza Horizon but it's a niche multiplatform racer. Good luck if you think gamers worldwide will cease buying PS4s so that they can play Forza Horizon and Gears of Flop.

I supposed it makes sense that Sony has been behind Microsoft as of late. With no games, and all the flops that the Sony has had on the PSbore it was only a matter of time.

@quadknight: Gears of War scores 85. Get your head out of your ass.

@Juub1990: it scored a 7/10 on Gamespot, it flopped hard. Cry me a river.

@quadknight: That's one website. Metacritic scores matters. That shitty game you used to play is no longer relevant. We go by aggregated reviews. 85 is a very good score. 91 is a very good score. Xbox Play Anywhere is great. 4K Blu-Ray is great. Backwards compatibility is great.

Paying 10$ more for the same service isn't.

The typical lem getting ready for work

Flop it like a champion lemmings

@Juub1990: Metacritic scores as of right now

Uncharted 4 (PS4) - 93

Ratchet and Clank (PS4) - 85

Gears of Flop (Xbone)- 84

You still lose when you use only metacritic lol. Cry harder!

So is Ratchet and Clank a flop because it scored 1 more point than Gears of War?

I also love how you conveniently left out Forza Horizon 3.

@Juub1990: Thats not the way hype works around here mate. Ratchet and Clank was hyped an 8/10 in its hype thread and delivered that score. Gears of Flop was hyped as AAA blockbuster that would score at least a 9/10 and return the franchise to its past glory, it flopped harder than Sunday morning pancakes and got a 7/10 here. It's Gamespot rules, I don't make them. Whichever way you look at it PS4 still wins. Stay salty my rodent friend.

I didn't leave out Forza Horizon I already acknowledged it in my original post. It's the only AAA scoring game on the Xbone his year, too bad it's a niche multiplat racer. It still got outscored by UC4 too.

Psn is down again

Dat price increase

That game has been dead for a while now. The hype was also 8. Not 9. 84 on Metacritic and 85 on Gamerankings for a game that was mostly hyped as an 8. How is it a flop?

PS4 wins what? Gears and Forza Horizon 3 were just released and will continue to be played by loads of people in the coming years. What have you played this month? The month before? The other one before? You gotta go back 4 months for a 15hr movie game. How are you winning anything? Xbox users are getting spoiled with content and terrific perks. Sony is spoiling their executive members by increasing their salaries. You lose. Sony makes more money without giving anything back yet you eat that up.

It's quite telling when all you can bring up is Dragon Quest Builders. A damn Vita game lol.

@dakur said:

The typical lem getting ready for work

Flop it like a champion lemmings

And we also take away there desserts lol

@Juub1990: In the same way it's quite telling that the best and only AAA Microsoft Studio game this year is a niche multiplatform racer, the rest are flops that get outscored by Ratchet and Clank and Dragon Quest Builders. It shows the incompetence of MS' first party. You should be mad at them for making you guys hype underdelivering flops instead of trying to bash Sony for your shortcomings.

It's already telling that at the end of the day, the game most likely to win a majority of GOTY awards on this site and elsewhere is exclusive to PS4 despite your salty tears and denial. Continue to dwell in your butthurt. It won't change the fact UC4 is a 10/10 here and a 93 on MC.

Why PS4 has better hardware? People buy a gaming system to play games that look the best.

Some buy a PC some buy a PS4 depending on how people wanna play and who they wanna play with why the hell would a weaker console be outselling a stronger one doesn't make any sense i don't care about 4k blurays my tv is 1080p my ps4 gives me 1080p games/

I watch movies on streams and download i don't use blurays I don't use blurays for games either im digital you fool.

Why would I want to buy a online only game on physical the disk if the servers go down the DISCC is useless its a useless piece of junk.

My cartridge for single player games on nes/snes are worthwhile because the games aren't online JUUB look into that.

Its like im dealing with children in this thread there is no point of physical disk if the game is always online and has to be downloaded and updated the disk is a piece of junk.

SNES - Donkey Kong Country / Chrono trigger Cart = worth a ton of money plays the full game off the cart no download or update or always online

XB1 - Destiny Cart = worthless the games always online so if the servers are down or my internet is down the disk does absolutely nothing, it doesn't even play off the disk the game doesn't work or launch with the disk it downloads.

Why would i buy bluray when it only works on 4k bluray players

If I buy movie ultra HD on itunes in 4k it works on desktop laptop tablet phone smart tv.

THose are more important to me than a 4kbluray player device don't you think juub look at how much more value i get buying a movie on itunes over a 4k bluray infinite more value all over place.

@quadknight: Gears of War got an 85/84. It outscored Dragon Quest Builder and is on par with R&C. Difference between that and R&C is that Gears will stay relevant for years. R&C is already a distant memory.

What did you play this month? RIGS and EVE Valkyrie lmao. Two flops by your own standards yet you brag about them.

Pathetic.

@Juub1990: Hey junior, I already explained to you the way flops work around here. You need a hype thread first and plenty of marketing and hype from parent companies and fanboys. No one was claimed Eve Valkyrie and RIGS were going to be AAA scoring blockbusters with 9/10 scores on GS and MC, plenty of lems did that for Gears of Flop, that's why it is considered a flop. Eve Valkyrie and RIGS are not hallmark franchises for PS4 with millions of dollars in marketing and hype, Gears of Flop is. Pretending to be obtuse so that you can dodge the fact Gears of Fail is a monumental flop on SW isn't working. You better quit now while you're still behind lol.

@quadknight: Pretending that this game matters or is still being played is obtuse which is what you're doing.

@Juub1990: Everyday that I log into UC4 there are people still playing it proving you wrong. You have no point and you fail just like the majority of Xbone's first party lineup for the past 3 years.

@quadknight: I'm talking about the gamespot game of hype vs flop.

@kingtito: It's regional. One exception to the rule doesn't change that. I never claimed to be impartial, but I am trying to be objective.

@Juub1990: ratchet and clank ps4 was the fastest selling in the Franchise, while gears 4 was the worst selling main entry. Gears outsold r&c in uk, but one Franchise is growing while gears is declining. Get your facts straight

@trollhunter2: What the hell are you even talking about?

@Juub1990:

""Difference between that and R&C is that Gears will stay relevant for years. R&C is already a distant memory."

Regarding this quote from you

@trollhunter2: Yes and what was the point of your post?

@kvally: ps4 and ps4 pro shared games is not the same thing as Xbox and PC sharing games

@Juub1990: gears is declining http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=220345081

while r&c is growing

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1213175

how does your logic work then?

And that changes the fact that Gears is a game that will be played for longer than R&C? Multiplayer driven games have a much longer life then single player experiences.

It also doesn't mean Ratchet and Clank is selling more than Gears either.

@Juub1990: funny, I always thought that sales contribute to the relevance of a franchise. Lesser sales, lesser relevance, but I get your real point now

Maybe it's the alcohol talking right now, but lort, it needs to be sayed. Lems, you were supposed to show us a better way. You were the chosen one. The endless money pit was supposed to take gaming to new and unforeseen heights. What happen? I mean, real talk, tell me my dawg.

How the eff did this all end in bewilderment and sales-begging? I want an honest attempt at an answer. Not as "Moogenja" but as a gamer who bought an OG XBox and was on board for the ride.