Microsoft should give PC gamers some more respect!
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Sure, but Vista failed to beat XP, most people stayed with XP, which just showed the lack of real control MS has over PC market. And there are many areas of pc use where Microsoft is getting beat by the competition.[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]Windows Vista competing against Windows XP. Microsoft controls the DirectX standard hence most of the Wintel game rendering APIs.AdrianWerner
So once again, MS is incredibly influential, but they don't control it.
Windows XP was still a Microsoft OS.
Refer to the word compliance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compliance
Compliance (regulation), the act of adhering to, and demonstrating adherence to, a standard or regulation.
Most modern PCs implements ACPI standard hence ACPI HAL in Windows NT.ACPI standard was designed by Microsoft, Intel and Toshiba.
Linux was force to emulate Windows calls to avoid broken ACPI tables i.e. use Windows ACPI tables. You then have Microsoft's high performance timers compliance.
To obtain the above Windows compliance logos, most PCs follows WinHEC's and WHQL's direction. WinHEC is lead by Microsoft.
Refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHQL_Testing
Windows Vista/7 64bit enforces driver certification. If you are not compliant you can't load your drivers on customer's WinX64 PCs.
Again, Microsoft controls the DirectX standard hence most of the Wintel game rendering APIs.
AMD64 and Microsoft i.e. the kingmaker for 64bit path in tthe PC market. http://vip.amd.com/la-es/Weblets/0,,7832_8366_7823_8718%5E7839,00.html
Dave Cutler
Senior Distinguished Engineer, Microsoft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC_600
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"Over the last ten years, the applications we've put on PCs have grown. They've grown in size and computational demands. And 32-bits of address space just isn't enough anymore. The size of databases has grown to the point where we just can't get the performance out of the 32-bit address space that we need to get to continue to support these applications. Over the past few years, we've added a few features to extend the life of the 32-bit system, but it's not enough, and we need to move to 64-bits to continue to support these large databases and high-end desktop applications. Over the past couple of years, I've been working with AMD on their next-generation K8 processor. What's really exciting about the K8 is that it has both 32-bit and 64-bit capabilities. Furthermore, the 64-bit systems will be able to run the existing 32-bit applications so that will protect customer's investments in software and hardware. Currently, we have the 32-bit Windows XP and Windows 2000 server systems running on the K8 for silicon, which has proven to be very stable. We also have a developmental 64-bit version of Windows XP and Windows.net server running on this very same hardware system. I'm really excited about this chip."
The alternative 64bit path for PC,
The "PowerPC 615" is a little known PowerPC processor announced by IBM in 1994. Its main feature was to incorporate an x86 core on die, thus making the processor able to natively process both PowerPC and x86 instructions. An operating system running on PowerPC 615 could either chose to execute 32-bit or 64-bit PowerPC instructions, 32-bit x86 instructions or a mix of three. Mixing instructions would involve a context switch in the CPU with a small overhead. The only operating systems that supported the 615 were Minix and a special development version of OS/2.
The processor was only produced in prototype examples and the program was killed in part by the fact that Microsoft would probably never give support for the processor
Sorry, Power64 doesn't have Microsoft's blessings i.e. Microsoft would not give IBM the CPU ISA control on the PC. Microsoft's kingmaker support for AMD64 follows ex-Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC) employees e.g. AMD's DEC Alpha EV6 links and Microsoft's DEC VMX links.
[QUOTE="dc337"]No it doesn't work that way. Pirates will steal anything that hits the shelves, it has nothing to do with treatment. http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2008/11/acrying-shame-world-of-goo-piracy-rate-near-90.ars Maybe piracy is going rampant because of outreagous retail prices? PC as open platform isn't rip-off paradise like consoles are, so you dare to charge $60 for a PC game? Then we either don't play your game, or we pirate it. It's that simple. I won't buy gimped/sloppy console ports with crappy DRM for any price above 30$. Add to that, M$ punished gamers with the abomination called Windows Vista aka. Legal Malware. And explain to me the success of Steam. Is it perhaps they have decent, non-rip off prices? Who think developers they are treating the PC platform like we're the same as those money throwing, DLC buying console gamers?[QUOTE="CagedOkami"]piracy is most interesting to me, if we look at MW2 for example we see the disrespect that PC gamers got, and the petitions that came after.
but even before the game was released this game was pirated to kingdom-come, But when you show another game(any game i guess)you see remarkably less torrents. Now my understanding is treat the PC like crap "they" will destroy you. But give the PC the respect it demands, the torrents are minimal.Locutus_Picard
Windows Vista is just a half baked Windows 6 i.e. Windows 7 is actually Windows 6.1.
Some parts of Windows Longhorn didn't make it on Windows Vista i.e. runout time.
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Of course, but it's also proof they don't control the PC market, just influence it greatly. They aren't even capable of controling their own OSes completely.
Again and again they've bean beat in multiple areas of pc and they even failed to replace their own OS with new version. l
All you've been proving is that they are influential, not that they control PC marke
AdrianWerner
Again, Windows XP is still a Microsoft OS and it's runtime ecosystem is Microsoft i.e. it's not MacOS, not BeOS, not AmigaOS and 'etc'.
As with any market, there's a limit on what a market can bare.
Historically, Windows 5.0 (aka Windows 2000) was quickly replaced by Windows 5.1 (aka Windows XP). As with any software, don't get the X.0 version.
The pattern is the same with Windows Vista (6.0) vs Windows 7 (6.1).
You still failed to prove they actualy control PC market. They have again and again shown they lack the ability to excert actual control over majority of the areas of PC market.
You can stop posting articles that show the influence and importance of Microsoft in PC market, because nobody here is denying those.
You still fail to realise the actual PC market environment. Did you missed PowerPC 615 example? Did you missed Direct3D vs OpenGL wars? Did you missed WHQL requirements?
Similar to ACPI HAL PC's Intel, Microsoft and Toshiba, Xbox 360 was designed by IBM, ATI and Microsoft.
Alternative PC hardware platforms such as AmigaOne/AmigaOS4 PowerPC has a large mountain to climb. Other wannabe PC standards such as AIM's PReP and CHRP (Common Hardware Reference Platform) also crushed by Wintel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wintel).
PowerPC based game consoles hardware platforms are closer to yesteryear's fragmented 68K PC market.
Most PC vendors aims for Microsoft Windows OS compatibility hence the Windows logo. The Lintelcamp mostly follows Microsoft WinHEC directions.
Btw, you can run LinuxPPC on Xbox 360.
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