Microsoft should give PC gamers some more respect!

Still waiting for mass produced ARM or MIPS based laptop....

From 2005-to-2010, I don't recall a mainstream desktop PC vendor releasing a non-ACPI X86 PC. Microsoft played the kingmaker for 64bit desktop PC.

It would be bold move for a mainstream PC vendor to release a PC that is not compatible with Microsoft Windows desktop OS.

ronvalencia

So? MS also wouldn't dare to release desktop that wouldn't support Intel, AMD and Nvidia hardware either.If they actualy had control over the market they could easily do that. Heck, they could easily do a lot of things and fix their positions in areas where they are currently getting beaten into a pulp. But they don't have actual control, so they can't.

Especially since a lot of modern tablets are moving to ARM architecture, leaving X86 and Windows behind, which once again proves how little control MS has over PC market. They tried to push their own tablets and they just couldn't.

You've failed again and again to prove actual control they have over PC market

EA's taking over of Bioware doesn't negate the existing contracts with other parties.

ronvalencia

If I wasn't a PC gamer, I wouldn't even be using Windows. That is fact. I dual-boot between Windows and Linux daily, and if it weren't for all those Linux-incompatible games that I need to play in Windows, I wouldn't even be buying a license of Microsoft Windows everytime a new version comes out.

Why is Microsoft so intent on crushing PC gaming into dust? The only reason their OS is still alive on the consumer side is partially because PC gamers depend on it.

The Xbox division of Microsoft barely squeaks a profit. Meanwhile, it's Windows and Office that generates most of Microsoft's profits. Why is Microsoft so intent on pouring money and energy into a platform which has proven to be money-loser, time and time again?

There's nothing wrong with Microsoft's direction on the Xbox, but I would love to see Microsoft give PC gaming a similar level of attention as well. Yes, PC games don't make as much money as console games do, but they do one thing which good for Microsoft - drive sales of Windows.

The_Capitalist

There are so many things wrong with your post. The PC is not analogous to the 360 is any way.

PC - open platform, with primarily an OS made by Microsoft. Developers choose what OS they want their game to be compatible with. Most choose Windows due to widespread use. Every game not by Microsoft Game Studios generates no profit for Microsoft.

360 - closed platform. Entirely owned by Microsoft, down to the OS, and even the online network. All games are somewhat controlled although may not be fully owned by Microsoft. Every game sold generates profit for Microsoft.

I don't understand why people would say Microsoft is abandoning PC as if they ever did own the PC. It is developers who are abandoning the PC because they can see better returns for investments by developing on the 360. And wasn't it a basic rule that companies pour money into stuff they own instead of stuff they don't own?

I don't understand why people would say Microsoft is abandoning PC as if they ever did own the PC. It is developers who are abandoning the PC because they can see better returns for investments by developing on the 360. jhcho2

MS had plenty of pcgaming development and dropped it, including a lot of very profitable stuff. And in their case they didn't "abandon the PC because they could see better returns for investments by developing on the 360". In fact, in some cases the direct opposite was true. 360 development didn't bring as good returns as developing for PC. they just killed their whole huge PC gaming division so they could focus on 360. I understand their reasons, but I still hate it. MS bassicaly became the "evil empire" that Electronic Arts used to be in eyes of pc gamers.

[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"] A corporate contract owns EA.ronvalencia

explain please, i'm a litle rusty on law.lordreaven

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Still waiting for mass produced ARM or MIPS based laptop....

From 2005-to-2010, I don't recall a mainstream desktop PC vendor releasing a non-ACPI X86 PC. Microsoft played the kingmaker for 64bit desktop PC.

It would be bold move for a mainstream PC vendor to release a PC that is not compatible with Microsoft Windows desktop OS.

AdrianWerner

So? MS also wouldn't dare to release desktop that wouldn't support Intel, AMD and Nvidia hardware either.If they actualy had control over the market they could easily do that. Heck, they could easily do a lot of things and fix their positions in areas where they are currently getting beaten into a pulp. But they don't have actual control, so they can't.

Especially since a lot of modern tablets are moving to ARM architecture, leaving X86 and Windows behind, which once again proves how little control MS has over PC market. They tried to push their own tablets and they just couldn't.

You've failed again and again to prove actual control they have over PC market

Again. you failed the lessons from Sony's PS3 and it's introduction price i.e. the game console market is elastic enough that Sony can't over price the product. As with any markets, a company'smarket power has limits. You failed economics 101.

Non-mobile game console market is largely divide into Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft.

As for ARM based tablets, come back to me when they have 300 million unit sales per year. Most of PC sales comes from the business sector.

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If I wasn't a PC gamer, I wouldn't even be using Windows. That is fact. I dual-boot between Windows and Linux daily, and if it weren't for all those Linux-incompatible games that I need to play in Windows, I wouldn't even be buying a license of Microsoft Windows everytime a new version comes out.

Why is Microsoft so intent on crushing PC gaming into dust? The only reason their OS is still alive on the consumer side is partially because PC gamers depend on it.

The Xbox division of Microsoft barely squeaks a profit. Meanwhile, it's Windows and Office that generates most of Microsoft's profits. Why is Microsoft so intent on pouring money and energy into a platform which has proven to be money-loser, time and time again?

There's nothing wrong with Microsoft's direction on the Xbox, but I would love to see Microsoft give PC gaming a similar level of attention as well. Yes, PC games don't make as much money as console games do, but they do one thing which good for Microsoft - drive sales of Windows.

jhcho2

There are so many things wrong with your post. The PC is not analogous to the 360 is any way.

PC - open platform, with primarily an OS made by Microsoft. Developers choose what OS they want their game to be compatible with. Most choose Windows due to widespread use. Every game not by Microsoft Game Studios generates no profit for Microsoft.

360 - closed platform. Entirely owned by Microsoft, down to the OS, and even the online network. All games are somewhat controlled although may not be fully owned by Microsoft. Every game sold generates profit for Microsoft.

I don't understand why people would say Microsoft is abandoning PC as if they ever did own the PC. It is developers who are abandoning the PC because they can see better returns for investments by developing on the 360. And wasn't it a basic rule that companies pour money into stuff they own instead of stuff they don't own?

Again. you failed the lessons from Sony's PS3 and it's introduction price i.e. the game console market is elastic enough that Sony can't over price the product. As with any markets, a company'smarket power has limits. You failed economics 101.ronvalencia

And I'm glad you're comparing PS3 to Microsoft, because the degree to which Sony controls the whole console market is about as much as MS' control over PC market

As for ARM based tablets, come back to me when they have 300 million unit sales per year. Most of PC sales comes from the business sector.

ronvalencia

PC Gamers just pirate everything.

Who needs more respect again?

PC Gamers just pirate everything.

Who needs more respect again?

EvanTheGamer

Since the PC has the largest amount by far of both high rated games and exclusives it would make sense for Microsoft to pay more attention to Windows games.

there are many PC/360 multi-platform games and the amount of these is likely to increase rather than decrease as time goes by.

I suspect that PC gaming will be on the rise in the future as the other systems in 2nd through 4th place battle for the runner-up and show positions in the gaming race