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#101 darkslider99
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[QUOTE="omgimba"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Not only have they fixed the problem but they implemented a long term warranty program... that's not enough for some people? I'd rather take it all in stride and have a better next generation Xbox...AlphaGamer469

Its not enough if you loose your launch xbox360 this winter. Then you still loose 200$.

Basicly they knew the box was faulty and they didnt share this fact with their consumers. That is like mayor banks decieving low income consumers too take expensive loans they cant possibly afford.. That might even crash the global economy in the end.. Oh wait it did.

Oh I'm sorry, you have proof that they knew the box was faulty when they launched it? Quit making things up...


http://venturebeat.com/2008/09/05/xbox-360-defects-an-inside-history-of-microsofts-video-game-console-woes/
http://venturebeat.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-fires-game-test-contractor-who-talked-to-venturebeat/
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169798

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#102 campzor
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[QUOTE="AlphaGamer469"][QUOTE="omgimba"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Not only have they fixed the problem but they implemented a long term warranty program... that's not enough for some people? I'd rather take it all in stride and have a better next generation Xbox...darkslider99

Its not enough if you loose your launch xbox360 this winter. Then you still loose 200$.

Basicly they knew the box was faulty and they didnt share this fact with their consumers. That is like mayor banks decieving low income consumers too take expensive loans they cant possibly afford.. That might even crash the global economy in the end.. Oh wait it did.

Oh I'm sorry, you have proof that they knew the box was faulty when they launched it? Quit making things up...


http://venturebeat.com/2008/09/05/xbox-360-defects-an-inside-history-of-microsofts-video-game-console-woes/
http://venturebeat.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-fires-game-test-contractor-who-talked-to-venturebeat/
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169798


Ouch! also as people said they havnt fixed the problem they are just sticking a bandaid over it...

Ms fail
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#103 deactivated-5f4694ac412a8
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Why didn't this happen three years ago? :?
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#104 EvilAshTwin
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lol @ 3 year warrenty. It took them a year and a half to finally recognize the problem and put this warrenty into effect. However the warrenty starts with the date you bought the 360. Which means if you bought your 360 a year before the warrenty was created, then youre only covered for 2 years and not 3. Or the poor souls that still have their launch model, they were only covered for an additional year and a half.
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#105 campzor
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lemmings have gone quiet after the proof.
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#106 darkslider99
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lemmings have gone quiet after the proof.campzor

AlphaGamer was the only one who was really running his mouth off, and yes, he's been horribly owned.
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#107 Gamer4Iife
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Why ? The 3 year warranty doesn't end until next month. Anyone who gets the RROD can still get their console fixed for free. :|
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#108 SpruceCaboose
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And? MS is sued for just about everything they make, as are many big companies. Its life in multi-billion dollar business.
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#109 AlphaGamer469
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[QUOTE="AlphaGamer469"][QUOTE="omgimba"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Not only have they fixed the problem but they implemented a long term warranty program... that's not enough for some people? I'd rather take it all in stride and have a better next generation Xbox...darkslider99

Its not enough if you loose your launch xbox360 this winter. Then you still loose 200$.

Basicly they knew the box was faulty and they didnt share this fact with their consumers. That is like mayor banks decieving low income consumers too take expensive loans they cant possibly afford.. That might even crash the global economy in the end.. Oh wait it did.

Oh I'm sorry, you have proof that they knew the box was faulty when they launched it? Quit making things up...


http://venturebeat.com/2008/09/05/xbox-360-defects-an-inside-history-of-microsofts-video-game-console-woes
http://venturebeat.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-fires-game-test-contractor-who-talked-to-venturebeat/
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169798

:roll: That's your 'proof?' Just more random speculation? A disgruntled ex emloyee would make up anything. Sorry, but if any of that was actually valid, you would find it on something more mainstream then a blog site and a game site pratically no one ever heard of. You lost, try again...

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#110 AlphaGamer469
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lemmings have gone quiet after the proof.campzor

What proof?

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#111 darkslider99
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:roll: That's your 'proof?' Just more random speculation? A disgruntled ex emloyee would make up anything. Sorry, but if any of that was actually valid, you would find it on something more mainstream then a blog site and a game site pratically no one ever heard of. You lost, try again...

AlphaGamer469

You asked for a source, I gave you one. Stop trolling and move on. You lost it, get over it.
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#112 AlphaGamer469
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[QUOTE="AlphaGamer469"]

:roll: That's your 'proof?' Just more random speculation? A disgruntled ex emloyee would make up anything. Sorry, but if any of that was actually valid, you would find it on something more mainstream then a blog site and a game site pratically no one ever heard of. You lost, try again...

darkslider99


You asked for a source, I gave you one. Stop trolling and move on. You lost it, get over it.

Living in denial that your source isn't reliable, eh? If it supposedly is true, how come no other media source has reported on it? Come on, you can do better....

EDIT : BTW Ventrebeat is sponsered by Sun Microsystems, A company that's been a known rivel to Microsoft for years. So it's totally beleivable that they are going to provide unbiased information about MS :roll:

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#113 darkslider99
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[QUOTE="darkslider99"][QUOTE="AlphaGamer469"]

:roll: That's your 'proof?' Just more random speculation? A disgruntled ex emloyee would make up anything. Sorry, but if any of that was actually valid, you would find it on something more mainstream then a blog site and a game site pratically no one ever heard of. You lost, try again...

AlphaGamer469


You asked for a source, I gave you one. Stop trolling and move on. You lost it, get over it.

Living in denial that your source isn't reliable, eh? If it supposedly is true, how come no other media source has reported on it? Come on, you can do better....


:lol: I'm in denial? You're the one in denial pal. You've completely dismissed this source without any reason, your justification being "Other media outlets wouldhave reported on it"
Which guess what? 1UP did.
MS released a faulty product, assuming they would work the bugs out afterwards. They do this with all their products. Why do you think very few people buy a Windows OS the year it comes? Because they are always buggy as hell. IF a company is going to use a tactic with their leading product, what makes you think their not going to do it with a smaller product?
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#114 AlphaGamer469
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[QUOTE="AlphaGamer469"][QUOTE="darkslider99"][QUOTE="AlphaGamer469"]

:roll: That's your 'proof?' Just more random speculation? A disgruntled ex emloyee would make up anything. Sorry, but if any of that was actually valid, you would find it on something more mainstream then a blog site and a game site pratically no one ever heard of. You lost, try again...

darkslider99


You asked for a source, I gave you one. Stop trolling and move on. You lost it, get over it.

Living in denial that your source isn't reliable, eh? If it supposedly is true, how come no other media source has reported on it? Come on, you can do better....


:lol: I'm in denial? You're the one in denial pal. You've completely dismissed this source without any reason, your justification being "Other media outlets wouldhave reported on it"
Which guess what? 1UP did.
MS released a faulty product, assuming they would work the bugs out afterwards. They do this with all their products. Why do you think very few people buy a Windows OS the year it comes? Because they are always buggy as hell. IF a company is going to use a tactic with their leading product, what makes you think their not going to do it with a smaller product?

You know this because you tested every 360 in existence, right? I've already dispelled your source and no one outside of here has heard of 1up..Keep grasping. the State of California beckons...

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#115 daveg1
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they should have been ages ago its a joke that they have so many faulty sytems..

mostly everyone i know who owns a 360 has had problems with it..

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#116 darkslider99
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You know this because you tested every 360 in existence, right? I've already dispelled your source and no one outside of here has heard of 1up..Keep grasping. the State of California beckons...

AlphaGamer469

So many things wrong with thta sentence.
First off, even if "no ones" heard of it, it doesn't mean it's unreliable. If you go to certain parts of the world people havn't heard of Plato, does that mean he's an unreliable source? Hardly.
Also, if no one outside of here knows of 1UP, how come they have an online community? or are included in averages for sites like Metacritic. CLearly people outside of SW know of 1Up, so stop making up lies.
Btw, you can't just dismiss a source without good reason, nice try though.

Stop trolling and move on, because you're just making a fool of yourself at this point, and you'll need to find someone else to make a fool of you, because I have some Mathematical proofs to work on.

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#117 twilightpanda
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well it's about time!!!!!!!!!! sheesh.

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#118 darthogre
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Living in denial that your source isn't reliable, eh? If it supposedly is true, how come no other media source has reported on it? Come on, you can do better....

AlphaGamer469

It's hiliarious to read these posts from MS fanboys........for a year and half you do realize your response here is a carbon copy of every retort when people brought upt he MS failure rate. It was always "there is no proof....show me a real media source" or "those gamers are unreliable....they probably are just Sony fanboys unhappy with the success of X360".

At this point it's a dead issue only because EVERYONE knows what you get with the X360. A bad machine that breaks with good games. There is nothing else to report, MS even admits that is the case. But if you want to go to common sense, which makes more sense.....this huge problem NEVER showed up in quality control or MS ran the numbers and felt they needed to be first to launch so ignored the problems. If you people weren't blinded by your love for MS, you would agree that the stories you are hearing are more reasonable than MS denials. Every time MS denies something I just think back to that "we are within the normal 3-5% defective rate.......remember thinks break you know."

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#119 Furi-Kun
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So if this goes through, only people in california will get some kind of rebate?
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#120 iam2green
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wow i didn't think they could do that. people knw about getting the red rings when they purchased it. atleast i knew when i bought it. stors now ahve warranty on the purchase.
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#121 sam280992
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Why now? :lol:

It doesn't make sense.

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#122 NinjaMunkey01
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Why now? :lol:

It doesn't make sense.

sam280992

Probably becuase of the newer news that MS knew that the console had a high faliure rate. They lied to the consumers.

This is one of the worst things any company has done to consumers for a long time. Compensation for my RROD'd 360 sounds fair to me.

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#123 NinjaMunkey01
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wow i didn't think they could do that. people knw about getting the red rings when they purchased it. atleast i knew when i bought it. stors now ahve warranty on the purchase. iam2green

Not launch buyers like me.

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#124 PS3Gamer_1
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Why now? :lol:

It doesn't make sense.

sam280992

It sort of does. People who bought their Boxes at launch are all but out of the warranty range, so now if they didn't purchase any additional warranty, they are screwed if the 360 fails. Also a lot of other people are soon to be out of warranty as well, and if the failure rate is as high as 4o-60% as some sites have stated (not fact----IF) then a lot of consumers would be angry, and again screwed because now they would have to pay MS to fix their 360s.

A side note, the class-action law suit is arising now because they are stating that MS knowingly put into retail a Faulty product, hoping to either a) patch it up later or b) fix it but charging consumers (as they did in the beggining) They are also suing because MS decieved the public by not accuratley publishing the fault rate, which was definitley not 3-6% as they had originally published. In the end the lawsuit should be put forth to protect the consumers, who plunk down a lot of change for their gaming habits> Unfortunatley this is not the case, most class-action lawsuits are done by lawyers who want to get rich, since most of the money goes to their pockets, and not the consumers.

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#125 darthogre
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Why now? :lol:

It doesn't make sense.

sam280992

Sony was sued years after the launch of the PS2.......it's always like this.

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#126 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="AlphaGamer469"]

You know this because you tested every 360 in existence, right? I've already dispelled your source and no one outside of here has heard of 1up..Keep grasping. the State of California beckons...

darkslider99

So many things wrong with thta sentence.
First off, even if "no ones" heard of it, it doesn't mean it's unreliable. If you go to certain parts of the world people havn't heard of Plato, does that mean he's an unreliable source? Hardly.
Also, if no one outside of here knows of 1UP, how come they have an online community? or are included in averages for sites like Metacritic. CLearly people outside of SW know of 1Up, so stop making up lies.
Btw, you can't just dismiss a source without good reason, nice try though.

Stop trolling and move on, because you're just making a fool of yourself at this point, and you'll need to find someone else to make a fool of you, because I have some Mathematical proofs to work on.

We have a good reason to reject the source, though: lack of credibility.

General rule of Internet thumb: Blogs are not considered credible sources of news.

Let me put it this way. If it was really such a hot-potato issue, why hasn't GameSpot itself covered it (or perhaps even their parent companies CNet and CBS)? Where is IGN? ZDNet? And considering how big Microsoft is, something like this would probably make CNN. These are what we mean by reliable (perhaps more properly, credible) sources.

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#127 PS3Gamer_1
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[QUOTE="darkslider99"]

[QUOTE="AlphaGamer469"]

You know this because you tested every 360 in existence, right? I've already dispelled your source and no one outside of here has heard of 1up..Keep grasping. the State of California beckons...

HuusAsking

So many things wrong with thta sentence.
First off, even if "no ones" heard of it, it doesn't mean it's unreliable. If you go to certain parts of the world people havn't heard of Plato, does that mean he's an unreliable source? Hardly.
Also, if no one outside of here knows of 1UP, how come they have an online community? or are included in averages for sites like Metacritic. CLearly people outside of SW know of 1Up, so stop making up lies.
Btw, you can't just dismiss a source without good reason, nice try though.

Stop trolling and move on, because you're just making a fool of yourself at this point, and you'll need to find someone else to make a fool of you, because I have some Mathematical proofs to work on.

We have a good reason to reject the source, though: lack of credibility.

General rule of Internet thumb: Blogs are not considered credible sources of news.

Let me put it this way. If it was really such a hot-potato issue, why hasn't GameSpot itself covered it (or perhaps even their parent companies CNet and CBS)? Where is IGN? ZDNet? And considering how big Microsoft is, something like this would probably make CNN. These are what we mean by reliable (perhaps more properly, credible) sources.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=26580495&tag=;title;1

Just thought you would like to see it elsewhere:

"If there's one thing former San Jose Mercury-News writer Dean Takahashi knows, it's Microsoft's gaming hardware. In 2002, his book Opening the Xbox recapped the making of the software giant's first entry into the console game industry. Shortly after Microsoft launched its follow-up, Takahashi followed suit with The Xbox 360 Uncloaked." (direct quote)

But this doesn't prove anything, since real proof hasn't come to light. Speculations, and interviews and investigations don't amount to truth until MS comes clean, which will never happen.

And I don't see this as a bad thing. 360 fanboys (not saying Hussasking is, not calling you one at all, seriously no sarcasm here!), just 360 fanboys, hell, even ps3 and nintendo fanboys will be blind to the fact that there is faults with their system. If the ps2 fiasco had happened to PS3 now, and 360 was a more relaible hardware, the ps3 fanboys, or enter sytem name here fanboys would still defend their console. We as gamers, and more importantly consumers should demand more from the companies making the consoles. They are making money off of us, and if we buy faulty systems, instead of forcing their hands to fix it, we are telling them it's ok to give us a console that I paid alot of money for, but will break down and we will exhange it for another refurbished (not even new) model. Would anyone be ok buying a brand new BMW car, knowing it will break down, but oh, the warranty will guarantee that they replace my brand spanking new BMW with a refurbished model? No one would ever buy that car, but we can settle for it on consoles.

If I were in a position as many 360 cutsomers are, I would like to see MS either do vast improvements to the current hardware, or extend an unlimited warranty, at least until the following xbox comes out. Also this would ensure that MS doesn't rush their product out to the market, and instead make sure their hardware is more reliable. This is what happend with PS3 after the PS2 fiasco. They delayed launch to ensure that the hardware was more reliable. This would be a win for 360 customers.

This unrelaibilty is prob one of the biggest reasons I exchanged mine for a ps3, and don't have a 360 yet. I bought a 360, and learned about the RROD after the fact that my cousin and friend got it. Not saying all will fail, but given my luck it will, and I am too paranoid a person who was constantly worrying about every little noise or whatnot it made. I want one, but refuse to get it until they fix the problems.

Just my two cents!

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hmm, the fact that the lawsuit comes two years AFTER MS addressed the issue, while the DRE problems were never admitted to and nothing was done until AFTER they were sued.Steppy_76

Saying the DRE issue isn't worthy of a lawsuit is not the same as saying it doesn't exist. Sony never claimed such a thing. You're the one putting it in the same category as RROD and saying it's an equally severe problem just because of a lawsuit the two companies have in common.

As a last point, MS hasn't LOST their lawsuit nor settled it, AND DID SOMETHING ABOUT THE PROBLEM 2 YEARS BEFORE SOMEBODY TRIED TO SUE. Are you REALLY this thick? Or just that completely biased?

Steppy_76

Obviously you remain ignorant of the cl-ass action lawsuit they were threatened with when they were called out on the inherent flaw in the 360 architecture. Preempting a massive lawsuit isn't an example of trying to make things right. Who are you to say that this lawsuit is frivolous? A three year guarantee on a piece of machinery who's peers go far beyond that lifespan? Many a good argument can be made that this warranty doesn't actually help the problem so much as it just pacifies Microsoft sycophants.

OJ wasn't found guilty, does that mean he didn't commit murder? Lord knows you wouldn't be affording Sony such platitudes had they won the lawsuit filed against them. Inversely, you can't say this lawsuit against Microsoft is unwarranted win or lose.