Microsoft thinks rumble is a last-gen feature

Kudo Tsunoda, general manager of Microsoft Game Studios

"... Even people playing games with a controller, there's always people doing this [mimes driving motion]. They want to be moving.," claims the Microsoft producer. "There's natural movements and reactions involved. I've never seen someone doing that from rumble. It's the audiovisual stuff.

"The overwhelming thing we've discovered is that rumble is such a rudimentary form of haptic feedback. It's not like a little rumble in your palm is your whole way of interacting with the world -- it's not like, oh, I stubbed my toe and I get a little rumble in my palm.

"It's almost laughable the way people hold on to rumble as the holy grail of haptic feedback. We've gone so far past anything that can be done with rumble, or that kind of restrictive thing you have to hold. It's been creatively liberating to work on this stuff."

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I happen to think that rumbling is a better aid to gaming rather than swinging around your arms like crazy

How smart MS... :roll:

Nooo...:( Microsoft, we study history for a reason. Don't repeat past mistakes.

Don't do this to yourselves, Microsoft. Please.

Is this that Kudo comment again. Someone said Kudo =/= Microsoft.

i expect things like that from Sony

but Microsoft? c'mon Microsoft, you know you wanna make something you hold in your hands with rumble, at least maybe a nunchuck, i mean you could make bank off of it and everybody would stop complaining that everything for Kinect is on rails

What...I don't even...

Man MS. Didn't learn from Sony?

i wonder if they checked MGS4 and the rumble trick in Mantis battle ... it was so cool.

Ah its the glasses-kinect dude saying it ....

Isn't it amazing how Sony and MS seemed to have switched places?

Ah its the glasses-kinect dude saying it ....

Snugenz

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Ah its the glasses-kinect dude saying it ....

devious742

He wears shades inside all the time, he cant be sane.

Did you guys actually expect rumble would be implemented in Kinect? How would that even work?

Did you guys actually expect rumble would be implemented in Kinect? How would that even work?

Buckledant

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Ah its the glasses-kinect dude saying it ....

Snugenz

He wears shades inside all the time, he cant be sane.

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Did you guys actually expect rumble would be implemented in Kinect? How would that even work?

devious742

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[QUOTE="devious742"] well the guy is developing what will be the next major move for microsoft .. console wise

Cherokee_Jack

He wears shades inside all the time, he cant be sane.

Well that would make sense, but then he came out with this recent statement, all signs points to mad man. :P

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Did you guys actually expect rumble would be implemented in Kinect? How would that even work?

Buckledant

Kudo Tsunoda, general manager of Microsoft Game Studios

You dont take away my rumble!

Did anyone ever see him without the shades?, maybe its Ken Kutaragi in disguise. :P

"... Even people playing games with a controller, there's always people doing this [mimes driving motion]. They want to be moving.," claims the Microsoft producer. "There's natural movements and reactions involved. I've never seen someone doing that from rumble. It's the audiovisual stuff.

devious742

But surely rumble is better than no feedback at all with Kinect?

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Did you guys actually expect rumble would be implemented in Kinect? How would that even work?

devious742

He is saying that rumble is not the "holy grail" of haptic feedback.... Which is absolutely, positively 1000% correct. Rumble is ridiculously limited and horribly unrealistic. However, it has been the only cost effective, feasible method of haptic feedback for a while now. I don't know where he is getting the idea that Kinect goes beyond Rumble when it isn't even related to haptic feedback, but I DO agree with him that rumble is a freaking antiquated feature... It is just a matter of making something that does haptic feedback better than rumble and is not absolutely ridiculous to implement...

[QUOTE="Buckledant"][QUOTE="devious742"] hes not talking about adding rumble to kinect.. he is saying that rumble in general is last gen

devious742

Kudo Tsunoda, general manager of Microsoft Game Studios

General Manager of First Party Development (haha) and Creative Director of Kinect. And as pointed out, he's not saying that rumble should go away, only that it's pretty basic at the moment.

Kinect is a last-gen feature. That failed.

What, are you people affraid they will break into your homes, and remove the rumble from your controllers? MS isn't going to do anything, except he's saying that things like Natal don't need rumble and should give more feedback to the user than what rumble does, since you're actually acting out the event instead of feeling a tiny rumble in your hands thats unrelated to whats happening on screen.

Rumble makes a world of difference when playing a console drving sim... It's more important than their Kinect will ever be in that genre. The same thing applies to a lesser extent to first person shooters.

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[QUOTE="Buckledant"] This is the guy in charge of Kinect, not the entire Xbox division. What do you expect him to say?Buckledant

Kudo Tsunoda, general manager of Microsoft Game Studios

General Manager of First Party Development (haha) and Creative Director of Kinect. And as pointed out, he's not saying that rumble should go away, only that it's pretty basic at the moment.

Working on what stuff? Kinect is coming with force feedback suit or something?

What feels more immersive when playing swordfighting game, wiimote that rumbles when you hit something or you flailing empty hand. You could shake your hand to get rumble effect I guess :P

rumble is last gen, because I have yet to see someone use the better rumble tech....can u even tell teh difference? and the better rumble tech I mean, rumble that feels more realistic...that sony said the dualshock would have when they added it back in

A physical controller in hand accompanied by rumble is far more imersive than pointing at the screen with your imaginary pistol or steering with your invisible steering wheel. Thats the whole point of motion controls I would of thought, the imersive value. Kinect fails in this regard. It fails.

I think that Kudo guy is just trying to promote the controller-less Kinect. He wants you to be the controller, I'm pretty sure you can make the human body rumble. Now that's some next gen rumble right there. :P

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Did you guys actually expect rumble would be implemented in Kinect? How would that even work?

Buckledant

maybe hes just a PC gamer by heart

maybe hes just a PC gamer by heart

gamer-adam1

He works for Microsoft, the company that killed Flight Simulator.

He is a sworn enemy of PC Gaming, and he must be destroyed!

:P